Oops, sorry for duping your comment. You are completely correct.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many technically minded people can't follow clauses like that in the GPL. Perhaps if we re-wrote it to use && an ||, it might make it clearer.
Sorry, you've both missed the point. Go and read the license and look carefully at Section 3. Note the use of "one of" and "or".
When company X gives their machine readable source to company Y, that's their obligation under the GPL fully and completely discharged. Company X are not required to attach a written offer to make the source available to third parties, not no-how, not no-way. "one of". "or".
Company Y don't have to add such an offer (or distribute the source) because they have rights of first sale on the units they've bought. Well, technically the GPL might (or might not, depending on how you interpret Section 3) require them to make the offer or distribute the source, so as to give them a license to distribute the executable code on the device, but there is no copyright stick to beat them with if they don't.
> This loophole doesn't exist. If you look at the GPL, it states that a written offer for the source code must exist that offers the entire source to any third party to eligible to receive it.
The GPL says no such thing. Perhaps you should take your own advice and go and read it, then read the parent post again, and then have another think about it.
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
* a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
Note "one of", "or". If you company X gives the full source to company Y, they have completely discharged their obligation. You could argue that Company Y, because they are technically "distribut[ing] the Program [...] in object code or executable form" are bound by the GPL (even though that's clearly not the intent of Sections 1 and 2), but the first sale doctrine means that company Y doesn't have to worry about the copyrights in the GPLd code anyway.
What, like that value can be created depending on how you use cheap or free resources? Is an apple plucked from your own tree worhtless because it's free?
I would like to personally invite you and everyone that agrees with your last statement to choke on my scaly nerd pecker. I'm not a fucking host for other people's parasitism, I'm a DEVELOPER. Software is about DEVELOPERS. What is the point of making software if none of the lusers give you anything back? Other than mental masturbation and a virtual handjob from other geeks for a job well done, there aren't any. No, I'm not a luser. If I parasited from anything, I would add nothing. I can't kludge together a powerpoint presentation. Instead, I just write the software. When I run into problems I do my damndest to fix them in the hope of reaping what I sow. Jackasses like you are a large part of the reason I haven't bothered getting any of my non-techie friends into Linux.
The only way you'll have a standard of living that's above what we'd consider the poverty line here (structurally sound accomodation, clean water, decent food, minimal health care) is if you get a managerial role. Indian programmers simply aren't paid that well, even relative to Indian living costs. They don't live in nice houses, they don't drive cars, they don't aspire to buying boats and retiring early. They basically aspire to not leaving debts for their children. That's why you see so many of them over here.
Now, if you're quick, you will be able to land one of those management/consulting roles. Now, next question: how long are you going to be able to keep it? Are you really skilled enough to keep ahead of a bunch of talented, enthusiastic - and, not insignificantly - native Indians?
Bonus point question: during any job reshuffle, will you be the last to go, or the first to go?
Extra credit question: when you get tired of chasing jobs that pay well enough to pay for health cover and want to move back to the US, will your period of low wages negatively impact your ability to buy your way back into the US property and financing markets? Think carefully about your answer.
They had a big push on Code Red and Nimda, and disconnected a colleage for being infected.
Unfortunately, he was running Linux, and they'd simply screwed up. Which kind of highlights the problem. What's an acceptable rate of friendly fire, and at what point does the cost of pissing off your own customers (infected or otherwise) outweigh the benefits of doing so?
Any attempt to justify consuming it is cognitive dissonance. First, you decide that you're going to recommend it. Then you come up with the data to support your conclusion.
Must every Slashdot submission end with "But I can see a downside to this technology." ? Do submitters think that this makes them look insightful? Oooh, the big picture. Thanks for pointing that out!
Look, fanboy, I watched Firefly. There was nothing there. Dull characters, uninvolving plots, mediocre production values. It looked like SF by committee.
Honest to god people, look at it. Have you ever seen such painfully careful mis-spellongs? It reeks. It's a joke gone wrong. SCO will find and sue the crap out the basement dwelling prankster that wrote it, and good luck to them.
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Oops, sorry for duping your comment. You are completely correct.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many technically minded people can't follow clauses like that in the GPL. Perhaps if we re-wrote it to use && an ||, it might make it clearer.
Sorry, you've both missed the point. Go and read the license and look carefully at Section 3. Note the use of "one of" and "or".
When company X gives their machine readable source to company Y, that's their obligation under the GPL fully and completely discharged. Company X are not required to attach a written offer to make the source available to third parties, not no-how, not no-way. "one of". "or".
Company Y don't have to add such an offer (or distribute the source) because they have rights of first sale on the units they've bought. Well, technically the GPL might (or might not, depending on how you interpret Section 3) require them to make the offer or distribute the source, so as to give them a license to distribute the executable code on the device, but there is no copyright stick to beat them with if they don't.
The GPL says no such thing. Perhaps you should take your own advice and go and read it, then read the parent post again, and then have another think about it.
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
* a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
Note "one of", "or". If you company X gives the full source to company Y, they have completely discharged their obligation. You could argue that Company Y, because they are technically "distribut[ing] the Program [...] in object code or executable form" are bound by the GPL (even though that's clearly not the intent of Sections 1 and 2), but the first sale doctrine means that company Y doesn't have to worry about the copyrights in the GPLd code anyway.
A little hasty on the old trigger there, bucko.
"oddball economic theory"?
What, like that value can be created depending on how you use cheap or free resources? Is an apple plucked from your own tree worhtless because it's free?
I would like to personally invite you and everyone that agrees with your last statement to choke on my scaly nerd pecker. I'm not a fucking host for other people's parasitism, I'm a DEVELOPER. Software is about DEVELOPERS. What is the point of making software if none of the lusers give you anything back? Other than mental masturbation and a virtual handjob from other geeks for a job well done, there aren't any. No, I'm not a luser. If I parasited from anything, I would add nothing. I can't kludge together a powerpoint presentation. Instead, I just write the software. When I run into problems I do my damndest to fix them in the hope of reaping what I sow. Jackasses like you are a large part of the reason I haven't bothered getting any of my non-techie friends into Linux.
I wonder how many campaign contributions it'll take to kill this one in committee?
The ass fucking will hurt more if you're tense.
Option 1: Windows XP with Media Player, 99 Euros.
Option 2: Windows XP without Media Player, 99 Euros.
Retail purchasers and OEM licensees will be completely free to choose either version.
No, this is not a joke. If the EUC think this is too obvious to mention and prohibit, they are in for a rude awakening.
Why would my mom need to recompile a kernel? Ever?
Then again, it sucked when we didn't need buggy whips any more either.
It's supposed to just pick the best people for the job, with (heh) no opportunity any more to pull strings to get you off?
That means:
The only way you'll have a standard of living that's above what we'd consider the poverty line here (structurally sound accomodation, clean water, decent food, minimal health care) is if you get a managerial role. Indian programmers simply aren't paid that well, even relative to Indian living costs. They don't live in nice houses, they don't drive cars, they don't aspire to buying boats and retiring early. They basically aspire to not leaving debts for their children. That's why you see so many of them over here.
Now, if you're quick, you will be able to land one of those management/consulting roles. Now, next question: how long are you going to be able to keep it? Are you really skilled enough to keep ahead of a bunch of talented, enthusiastic - and, not insignificantly - native Indians?
Bonus point question: during any job reshuffle, will you be the last to go, or the first to go?
Extra credit question: when you get tired of chasing jobs that pay well enough to pay for health cover and want to move back to the US, will your period of low wages negatively impact your ability to buy your way back into the US property and financing markets? Think carefully about your answer.
And an elephant! Don't forget the elephant!
> What's the literacy rate in the us again?
Gee, don't you know how to look that stuff up on Google? Standards are slipping.
They had a big push on Code Red and Nimda, and disconnected a colleage for being infected.
Unfortunately, he was running Linux, and they'd simply screwed up. Which kind of highlights the problem. What's an acceptable rate of friendly fire, and at what point does the cost of pissing off your own customers (infected or otherwise) outweigh the benefits of doing so?
Any attempt to justify consuming it is cognitive dissonance. First, you decide that you're going to recommend it. Then you come up with the data to support your conclusion.
All they may be required to do is to offer a version of Windows without Media Player.
Here's how it will play out.
Option 1: Windows with Media Player = 99 Euros.
Option 2: Windows without Media Player = 99 Euros.
Get the idea?
Must every Slashdot submission end with "But I can see a downside to this technology." ? Do submitters think that this makes them look insightful? Oooh, the big picture. Thanks for pointing that out!
I'm sure that both GNOME users will be delighted to read it.
Godzilla is basically an oversized wrestler, and we all know that wrestlers never, ever retire. Just... one... last... grudge... match.
Well, don't I look like a fool now!
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHH, J00 R TEH FUNNIE!!!!!!!!
Remind me to taunt the living crap out of you when this is confirmed as an obvious fake. Not that you'll ever believe that.
I've seen worse too, but I've never seen anything so carefully mangled.
Also, you're not ESR. Today's ESR is a meedja whore. He'd rather be in the news than correct.
In a few weeks or months, one of us is going to look pretty stupid. Don't worry, I won't rub it in.
Look, fanboy, I watched Firefly. There was nothing there. Dull characters, uninvolving plots, mediocre production values. It looked like SF by committee.
Honest to god people, look at it. Have you ever seen such painfully careful mis-spellongs? It reeks. It's a joke gone wrong. SCO will find and sue the crap out the basement dwelling prankster that wrote it, and good luck to them.
You. Have. Been. Trolled.