Napster and Kazaa with websites is tantamount to a drug dealer on the corner with a sign and them turning a profit is as disgusting as it gets. I've bootleged and pirated quite a few things but I nor anyone else should be making money off of that.
Where do you draw the line though? When they come after your ISP for making money off piracy by encouraging massive data caps?
Noone I know downloads more than 20gb a month of legitimate traffic - the vast majority of users that don't download music/movies/tv shows don't even come CLOSE to this. In Australia with our heavy data caps, the only ones that are REALLY complaining are the people that want do download movies and TV shows.
ISPs here in Australia offer "free p2p" for users on the same networks, and smaller ones have peering deals set up - SPECIFICALLY to encourage users that are heavy p2p users to sign up (in fact, one was raided the other day.
So its already started over here. How long before the RIAA/MPAA start taking on your ISPs for encouraging (if not flat out facilitating!) p2p piracy?
I've never liked Kazaa, but I'm careful about being critical - because I don't want my ISP deciding what data I can and can't download, which seems like it might be possible if the RIAA/MPAA get enough sway with the governments (... which seems inevitable, if not already happening).
This raid happened because the people involved were running some (tiny little) pirate ring. The fact that they were using BitTorrent is practically irrelevant - the MPAA isn't trying to blanket ban p2p.
This headline seems to be unneccessarily, Fox News-esque alarmist:)
I queued for 6 hours to see Episode I at the midnight session to make sure I got decent seats. Thinking there was no way I could be as disappointed for Episode II, I queued again (for like 4 hours).
I'm not queueing for another Star Wars movie. I'm glad I still get a student discount, because I sure as hell wouldn't be forking out AU$14 or whatever the current rate is to see Episode III given how disappointed I was with the first two.
Heh, there was this story about organ donation on local TV here in.au a couple nights back. I think they were talking about donating kidneys, or something. I was doing something else at the time so wasn't paying attention, but one thing that I heard that really struck me was the SOURCE of these donated kidneys - they were from executed Chinese prisoners.
I'm fascinated by American gun culture so always find this sort of stuff interesting. I think one of the best things Australia has done was effectively blanket ban gun sales (in the wake of a mass shooting in Tasmania). My relatives in the US are strong gun control supporters and have told me some hair curling tales, which is all the more scary as most of them are tales from my aunt, who is a primary school teacher.
Either way, wtf is with mysearch being the news link?
I assume they drove a dumptruck full of money to Bram's house and said, "if you help us whore our search page, you can have this truck. Also, the money in it."
Every time there's a new BT release I get tricked into clicking on that damn news link to see what's changed!@#
Hmm, I must have missed the point where BitTorrent was declared illegitimate.
Do items like this help? This basically says to me, "BT is somewhat illegitimate, but with the right direction, it could be made ok!"
BitTorrent, itself, is already 100% legitimate. There's nothing wrong with it. In fact, its one of best things that has happened for content distributors.
I personally like the gun analogy (from my relative safety in.au) - if guns are made, and people use them illegally, do the gun manufacturers get sued? If P2P software is declared illegitimate because people use it for illegal purposes, I'd hope to see gun manufacturers getting screwed by the same legislation.
That is correct, if you can assume the file you're downloading from BitTorrent is actually the file you want.
The BitTorrent hashing only guarantees the file you're download is the same as the file that was used to generate the.torrent file. If the file used to create the.torrent file is not the file you actually want (ie, a corrupt version of the ISO), then without having an MD5 of what the ISO is going to be, you're not going to know if the file you've downloaded is actually the same file being distributed off the official site.
And, according to this comment, this is (unfortuantely) exactly what happened:(
That torrent certainly works, but there's no MD5 on the lg3d site, and its slashdotted so I can't see if they kindly left an MD5SUM file in the same directory. Anyone know?
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I've been seeding these for about 1/2 hour with only 30mb uploaded (--max_uploads 100) - I'm sure there's a lot of people seeding, but it would have been great to see a link to the BitTorrent mirror page in the news post to spare the mirrors. I can't figure out why more slashdot news posts aren't edited when there is a BitTorrent link added for the content referred to in the item (especially when its an official torrent provided by the content creators!)
Not really relevant to the discussion but something I found interesting - Peter F Hamilton's latest book (Pandora's Star - science fiction, set a couple hundred years in the future, aliens invading, etc) has (as a minor part of the story) the exact same thing as you've described happen. Some guy invents a massive storage medium that effectively makes copyright collapse, because everyone can store everything ever made. I can't remember what the outcome was exactly (if it was even mentioned), but I thought it was an interesting idea, if not exactly inevitable.
... How's that "land of the free" thing working out for you?
Love, Australia
(Sadly, we're probably not far behind; hopefully our politicians won't see this story and decide that we should start taxing tourist for taking photos of kangaroos.)
Are there any people from North Korea that have posted in this thread? I've gone through it but can't find anyone.
In threads about how mean China is, there's always either a) Chinese people or b) Westerners living in China posting their opinion based on their feedback. I'd be interested to hear what an actual North Korean actually has to say - but I guess if they have net access at all its firewalled out the wazoo?
Slashdot Mirror
... I realised I can't use Napster-to-go on my iPod. A quick search found this page, which is Napsters point of view on the Napster vs iPod "war":
a ps ter.html
http://www.napster.com/using_napster/ipod_and_n
Nah, that'd never work.
... outside... to ... STALK... Lenny and Carl... at the patent office.
I'm going
You would probably direct more users to her site if you added "... and yes, there are boobs"
Noone I know downloads more than 20gb a month of legitimate traffic - the vast majority of users that don't download music/movies/tv shows don't even come CLOSE to this. In Australia with our heavy data caps, the only ones that are REALLY complaining are the people that want do download movies and TV shows.
ISPs here in Australia offer "free p2p" for users on the same networks, and smaller ones have peering deals set up - SPECIFICALLY to encourage users that are heavy p2p users to sign up (in fact, one was raided the other day.
So its already started over here. How long before the RIAA/MPAA start taking on your ISPs for encouraging (if not flat out facilitating!) p2p piracy?
I've never liked Kazaa, but I'm careful about being critical - because I don't want my ISP deciding what data I can and can't download, which seems like it might be possible if the RIAA/MPAA get enough sway with the governments (... which seems inevitable, if not already happening).
I recently installed PGP Desktop 9 beta and noticed it has features for AIM encryption in it as well.
As an Australian, who has lived and worked with many other Australians, I can't think of a statement that is any further from the truth.
I wholeheartedly agree.
:)
This raid happened because the people involved were running some (tiny little) pirate ring. The fact that they were using BitTorrent is practically irrelevant - the MPAA isn't trying to blanket ban p2p.
This headline seems to be unneccessarily, Fox News-esque alarmist
I queued for 6 hours to see Episode I at the midnight session to make sure I got decent seats. Thinking there was no way I could be as disappointed for Episode II, I queued again (for like 4 hours).
I'm not queueing for another Star Wars movie. I'm glad I still get a student discount, because I sure as hell wouldn't be forking out AU$14 or whatever the current rate is to see Episode III given how disappointed I was with the first two.
Heh, there was this story about organ donation on local TV here in .au a couple nights back. I think they were talking about donating kidneys, or something. I was doing something else at the time so wasn't paying attention, but one thing that I heard that really struck me was the SOURCE of these donated kidneys - they were from executed Chinese prisoners.
Organs for everybody!
Not all the time - 100 people with 20kbyte/sec upstream sharing a torrent is only 2000kbyte/sec of bandwidth (2mbyte/sec).
A server dedicated for streaming (or downloading) with a 100Mbit pipe is going to offer more bandwidth for distribution in this scenario.
Cool, thanks for the reply.
I'm fascinated by American gun culture so always find this sort of stuff interesting. I think one of the best things Australia has done was effectively blanket ban gun sales (in the wake of a mass shooting in Tasmania). My relatives in the US are strong gun control supporters and have told me some hair curling tales, which is all the more scary as most of them are tales from my aunt, who is a primary school teacher.
I assume they drove a dumptruck full of money to Bram's house and said, "if you help us whore our search page, you can have this truck. Also, the money in it."
Every time there's a new BT release I get tricked into clicking on that damn news link to see what's changed!@#
Ah, that is interesting. Have any of the lawsuits been successful?
Hmm, I must have missed the point where BitTorrent was declared illegitimate.
.au) - if guns are made, and people use them illegally, do the gun manufacturers get sued? If P2P software is declared illegitimate because people use it for illegal purposes, I'd hope to see gun manufacturers getting screwed by the same legislation.
Do items like this help? This basically says to me, "BT is somewhat illegitimate, but with the right direction, it could be made ok!"
BitTorrent, itself, is already 100% legitimate. There's nothing wrong with it. In fact, its one of best things that has happened for content distributors.
I personally like the gun analogy (from my relative safety in
Yes, the ironing is delicious
That is correct, if you can assume the file you're downloading from BitTorrent is actually the file you want.
.torrent file. If the file used to create the .torrent file is not the file you actually want (ie, a corrupt version of the ISO), then without having an MD5 of what the ISO is going to be, you're not going to know if the file you've downloaded is actually the same file being distributed off the official site.
:(
The BitTorrent hashing only guarantees the file you're download is the same as the file that was used to generate the
And, according to this comment, this is (unfortuantely) exactly what happened
That torrent certainly works, but there's no MD5 on the lg3d site, and its slashdotted so I can't see if they kindly left an MD5SUM file in the same directory. Anyone know?
I've been seeding these for about 1/2 hour with only 30mb uploaded (--max_uploads 100) - I'm sure there's a lot of people seeding, but it would have been great to see a link to the BitTorrent mirror page in the news post to spare the mirrors. I can't figure out why more slashdot news posts aren't edited when there is a BitTorrent link added for the content referred to in the item (especially when its an official torrent provided by the content creators!)
So... what you're saying is, by using allofmp3.com, we're sort of like Robin Hood!?! Sweet!
Well, how else are people going to patent it ?
...do you have to cough up to get a $2500 tax bill on cigarettes?!
Not really relevant to the discussion but something I found interesting - Peter F Hamilton's latest book (Pandora's Star - science fiction, set a couple hundred years in the future, aliens invading, etc) has (as a minor part of the story) the exact same thing as you've described happen. Some guy invents a massive storage medium that effectively makes copyright collapse, because everyone can store everything ever made. I can't remember what the outcome was exactly (if it was even mentioned), but I thought it was an interesting idea, if not exactly inevitable.
... How's that "land of the free" thing working out for you?
Love,
Australia
(Sadly, we're probably not far behind; hopefully our politicians won't see this story and decide that we should start taxing tourist for taking photos of kangaroos.)
Are there any people from North Korea that have posted in this thread? I've gone through it but can't find anyone.
In threads about how mean China is, there's always either a) Chinese people or b) Westerners living in China posting their opinion based on their feedback. I'd be interested to hear what an actual North Korean actually has to say - but I guess if they have net access at all its firewalled out the wazoo?