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Google's X Files Vanish

An anonymous reader writes "News.com reports that Google's latest technology experiment paid tribute to Apple Computer, but the Mac OS X-themed version of the search king's Web site was taken down a day after its debut. Though that particular page was taken down, there is a screenshot here displaying how the icons were magnified as the mouse hovered over them."

407 comments

  1. We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple was planning to sue Google over stealing the Mac look & feel, and Google found out because Apple's lawyers were using Google to search for info.

    1. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      I find your thoughts very intriguing and would like to subscribe to your your podcast to listen on my iPod.

    2. Re:We all know why by Worminater · · Score: 0

      you laugh... but think about it; google parses the search results and uses what is searched from it based on searcher, known ip of apple ip depeartment? for instance might hit a flag and cause cross checking and compiling of information which is brought to someones attention; and google makes business decisions based on trends it notices because it is a hub for searching.

      mmm to be a monopoly and its perks

    3. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "No results for you! 1 year!"

    4. Re:We all know why by supachupa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry I don't have my references at hand, but in Australia there was a famous law suit against a software product and it was decided that you cannot patent or copywrite the 'look and feel' of software.. only the code underneath. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

    5. Re:We all know why by cmallinson · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ...a famous law suit against a software product and it was decided that you cannot patent or copywrite the 'look and feel' of software.. .. only the code underneath

      Precedents aside, the look and feel of software is not always separate from the functionality. The function of a lot of software these days is to make hard things easy, and much of that has to do with the GUI.

    6. Re:We all know why by jd · · Score: 1
      Same happened in the infamous Apple vs. Microsoft lawsuit. I believe there have been related lawsuits in Europe, where it was ruled that interfaces (as opposed to actual products) were not entitled to protection of any kind as they had no independent existance. They were a device for enabling something to take place, and protecting that something was fine, but the enablement - in and of itself - did nothing. That is all done by a framework.


      However, you could then argue that software doesn't exist when there is nothing to run it on, which means that software patents for products that don't exist would be invalid. Since those are the ones the Industries in Europe want, I doubt anyone will pay much attention to this point.

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    7. Re:We all know why by dreamboi21 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I remember correctly, Australia has Registered Designs, which allow a company to register the design of something, like a clothing uniform, website design, or possible a program / os interface. Similar to how Registered Trademarks offer protection to words and logos.

    8. Re:We all know why by evilandi · · Score: 5, Informative
      'look and feel'

      You're thinking of the Lotus 123 case.

      The difference was that Lotus didn't have a patent, they only had copyright, which as you rightly point out doesn't cover look and feel.

      This time, though, Apple have a patent for the graphical design which means they may well be able to successfully sue those who copy the look and feel of their interface.

      Which IMHO just goes to show how dumb patent law is these days, but hey, everyone's doing it so it might be right. Right? :-(

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    9. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Registered designs are only really for logos. You can't (for example) register the Windows Luna UI, but you could register the "minimise, maximise, close" buttons and call it a logo.

    10. Re:We all know why by mmu_man · · Score: 1

      In any case, there is prior art for the zooming icons, see BeOS' Twitcher:
      http://www.ars-technica.com/beos/reviews/1298/r4gu i-2.html

    11. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    12. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    13. Re:We all know why by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      sue them for what? that the icons zoom when you place the mouse over them? now apple invented THAT too?

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    14. Re:We all know why by tdemark · · Score: 5, Informative

      Same happened in the infamous Apple vs. Microsoft lawsuit.

      No, it didn't.

      Instead of hearing that Apple lost that case and jumping to an incorrect conclusion about what it says, maybe you should actually read the ruling?

      But, no, this is Slashdot, where people can't even be bothered to RTFA (which, talking about the current article, makes no mention of Apple legal putting pressure on Google). So, I'll sum the ruling up for you:

      Apple sues Microsoft for stealing its "look and feel". Apple loses because the judge ruled that the license agreement that Microsoft had with Apple could be interpreted to give Microsoft right to the look and feel. Without the fuzziness in the license wording, Apple would have won easily.

      - Tony

    15. Re:We all know why by croddy · · Score: 1
      you're thinking of the genie effect, which despite being patently unpatentable, has nothing to do with the swelling icons effect.

      honestly i wasn't even aware this page had something to do with os x. i just thought it was nice to be able to type in a query, and *then* select which google engine i wanted to use.

      sigh

    16. Re:We all know why by hjf · · Score: 0, Informative
      Without the fuzziness in the license wording, Apple would have won easily.

      Oh, shut up! No one "wins easily". All contracts (and licenses) are about wording.
    17. Re:We all know why by twbecker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Explain to me how Google is a monopoly? People use it because they prefer it, not because they have no choice, big difference.

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    18. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha. are you going to cry.

    19. Re:We all know why by Bravoc · · Score: 0

      I remember years ago, Borland vs. Lotus in a "look and feel" suit over the menu tree used for Lotus 1-2-3. Seems Borland had a spreadsheet software (long gone to oblivion I think) that had customizable keystrokes for their menu tree. On set was the same as Lotus' software.

      I believe the suit was dropped. Most folks used the car analogy "Gas on the right, break on the left, steering "wheel", four tires, gee looks like Ford should sue the world's auto makers"

      Anyway, the Lotus thing didn't fly.

    20. Re:We all know why by finkployd · · Score: 1

      mmm to be a monopoly and its perks

      Yeah, because no other search engines exist.

      Finkployd

    21. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it the only thing Apple has, look and feel over others' technologies?

    22. Re:We all know why by Unkle · · Score: 1

      Not all monopolies are illeagle. If you make a better product than your competition and they all go under, you gain a monopoly simply because you're the best. There's nothing wrong with being the best. The trouble comes when you then use that power to take advantage of your customers (by charging way too much, etc...), or actively preventing other companies from competing with you. Google, AFAIK, is doing no such thing. They're just the best search engine. There's nothing stopping anyone else from making a better engine, at least nothing that Google is doing.

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    23. Re:We all know why by agallagh42 · · Score: 0, Troll
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    24. Re:We all know why by jaguar5150 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, rumor has it that Al Gore invented that, not Apple.

    25. Re:We all know why by finkployd · · Score: 1

      Making neither of them technically a monopoly. However that does not preclude one from being convicted of abusing a monopoly position, as Microsoft have been. I don't see anyone accusing Google of abusing their "monopoly".

      Finkployd

    26. Re:We all know why by doyle.jack · · Score: 1

      Then it's too bad someone didn't copywrite the "drag and drop". Could have made a shitload on that.

    27. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you cannot patent or copywrite the 'look and feel' of software.. only the code underneath. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I will. It's copyright. Seriously, copywrite? It doesn't even make sense!

    28. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The javascript code is probably copyrighted. I guess who will get a call from google lawyers...

    29. Re:We all know why by SteveX · · Score: 2, Informative

      Same way Microsoft is a monopoly. You're not forced to use it, but because everyone does, we call it a monopoly.

    30. Re:We all know why by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      'Cause you always read about those abuse of power stories where Google uses their dominance to prevent competitors from entering the market.

      Or uses their massive amount of cash on hand to buy out potential competitors.

      Or leverages tie ins with computer manufacturers so that Google comes pre-installed on all new pc computers.

      Because it is so hard to type alltheweb.com or yahoo.com instead of google.com into the address bar of the browser.

      And Firefox claims that it "can't render yahoo.com or msn.com correctly so you should probably not use that website."

      Damn Google! If only they had some competition to keep search engine technology on the edge. Striving to always improve and do new and better things. What a world that would be!

    31. Re:We all know why by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 1

      Google is preinstalled in Safari and Firefox!

    32. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A monopoly is where a single company controls more than 25% of the market, so yes, Google probably is a monopoly on search.

    33. Re:We all know why by godlikenerddotcom · · Score: 1

      They're not illeagle? Are they at least a wellhawk?

    34. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone did copyright drag and drop-- Apple.

      Apple also copyrighted dozens of innovations they made in creating the graphical user interface. Xerox copyrighted some of the basic windowing modes Apple built their technology on top of.

      Despite two companies with clear copyrights, Microsoft was able to rip off these works and then win in court (mainly because the Judicial system is staffed by dinosaurs who know nothing about technology.)

      THIS is why software patents are so popular in this country-- patents get protected, but copyright doesn't.

    35. Re:We all know why by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      Google is widely used but it doesn't control any markets that I'm aware of. And that's the rub - monopoly doesn't mean "is only supplier" or "is by far the biggest supplier taking up almost all of the market", it has to do with control over it.

      The truth is if I wanted to create a search engine, I can't see anything Google could do that would damage it, beyond normal, healthy, competition (ie being better.)

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    36. Re:We all know why by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Right, but is that because Google leveraged it there, or because the web browser developers thought that it was such a useful tool that it would help a lot of people to have it there?

      There is a difference from being on top because you are the best, and being on top because you forced your way up.

      A monopoly is bad because it doesn't have competition and can both stagnate its development and extort unreasonable fees from its customers. Does Google do either?

    37. Re:We all know why by SB5 · · Score: 1

      Firefox also comes preinstalled with Yahoo, eBay, Amazon.com, dictionary.com, and Creative Commons.

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    38. Re:We all know why by Lord+Crosis · · Score: 1

      Instead of hearing that Apple lost that case and jumping to an incorrect conclusion about what it says, maybe you should actually read the ruling?

      Was there a ruling? My recollection of Apple history has MS and Apple settling this case out of court, with MS paying Apple an undisclosed amount of money.

      If my recollection is correct this was announced at the same time that it was announced that Bill Gates was buying $1 million in Apple stock, and MS bringing Office back to the Mac. I think this was shortly after Steve Jobs came back to Apple. I seem to remember a keynote with Bill Gates coming on the screen and people booing.

      -=(Lord Crosis)=-

    39. Re:We all know why by Karn · · Score: 1

      You can say that the Microsoft and Google situations are the same, if you forget the fact that Microsoft was brought to court and found to have violated anti-trust laws, while Google was not.

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    40. Re:We all know why by fsbilly · · Score: 1

      So is Yahoo!

    41. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like, "Its not breaking the law if you don't get caught"...

    42. Re:We all know why by logicpaw · · Score: 1
      Was there a ruling? My recollection of Apple history has MS and Apple settling this case out of court, with MS paying Apple an undisclosed amount of money. If my recollection is correct this was announced at the same time that it was announced that Bill Gates was buying $1 million in Apple stock, and MS bringing Office back to the Mac. I think this was shortly after Steve Jobs came back to Apple. I seem to remember a keynote with Bill Gates coming on the screen and people booing.

      That was a different and later lawsuit. Something about some copyrighted Apple code ending up in some M$ product without a license.

    43. Re:We all know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless "Drag and Drop" is a riveting detective novel (I bet someone thought of it), you can't copyright it.

      My god folks, you can explain to me the subtle differences of const correctness in C++, but you still can't tell the difference between Patent, Trademark, and Copyright?

  2. Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...as others in many other forums today have, there is, at least at present, absolutely no proof that Apple legal necessarily did anything here. By all accounts, it was a project by an individual Google engineer that a manager liked enough to display publicly via Google Labs. The creator himself said it was the result of "a fun late-night coding jaunt to help me learn Javascript and DHTML." After other Google managers, executives, or legal staff saw it, there is a distinct possibility that Google itself pulled it because of anything from concerns over possible infringement, to the product not being approved by by the proper authorities before public consumption, to internal disagreement about the rollout process to Google Labs.

    To those who may be so inclined to immediately blame Apple, I would say: wait until any facts in this particular instance actually support that position.

    1. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Yeshua · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't listen to the parent!
      It's part of the comspiracy! They're everywhere man!
      Seriously though, it seems more likely that it was pulled because of internal reason at Google, rather than Apple playing Microsoft.

    2. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The article mentions that Apple has sought patent on the genie effect... I thought the genie effect was an animation Apple used when minimizing/maximizing windows, not the dock magnification effect.

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    3. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by kerrle · · Score: 1, Redundant

      So did I...I wasn't sure enough to mention it here, but that was my understanding, too.

    4. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it seems more likely that it was pulled because of internal reason at Google

      I agree. They were probably debating if they should increase the user-cookie for google.com and gmale.com to 5kB to allow them to store all AdSense-enabled sites the user visits and relate them to their private mails that they sell to corporations.

    5. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      The creator himself said it was the result of "a fun late-night coding jaunt to help me learn Javascript and DHTML."

      Well if I am looking at the right one, he should first learn about descriptive variable namees. There are a lot of single-letter variables and function names in there.

    6. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm... The script is post-processed. It's
      been removed of white space, and all functions
      renames to single or double var names--all to
      save space the speed loading.

      *Obviously* people don't code this way.

    7. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ie. 'Please do not say anything bad about my god!'

    8. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose. But it was an experimental practice project. Why bother shaving microseconds off of an experiment?

    9. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by FLAGGR · · Score: 2, Informative

      because when a million slashdot users click the link to see, they don't want to waste any of their massive distributed server farms resources :) And it's just good practice as a web developer. He probably has a clearer version of the code kept for himself, thats what I do.

    10. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they have a standard script at Google to do it ?

    11. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Peugeot206WRC · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's interesting to note that the OS X dock magnifier doesn't actually work like the google representation. Note that google magnifies the icons individually while OS X magnifies a radius around the cursor where the greatest magnification occurs at the center.

    12. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by MilenCent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To those who may be so inclined to immediately blame Apple, I would say: wait until any facts in this particular instance actually support that position.

      I'd say that, while it is prudent to not jump to the conclusion regarding the facts behind the take down, that given Apple's past behavior in "protecting" their Aqua user interface, that some amount of suspecion aimed in their direction is perhaps justified. Even if Apple did nothing, if Google took them down out of fear out of what Apple might do to them then it's clear that some kind of chilling effect has taken place, which after all is part of the strategy behind this kind of litigation -- to discourage infringement, or things that might possibly infringe, before it occurs.

      (Yeah, it's just based on some graphics and not new technology, but it still feels a bit chilly to me.)

    13. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by GFLPraxis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The article mentions that Apple has sought patent on the genie effect... I thought the genie effect was an animation Apple used when minimizing/maximizing windows, not the dock magnification effect."

      Well, they do minimize INTO the dock...

    14. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well if I am looking at the right one, he should first learn about descriptive variable namees. There are a lot of single-letter variables and function names in there.

      You're seeing the live version, stripped down to save a few bytes on every load. This is an incredibly common practice on sites with extremely high bandwidth use. Shaving off a few hundred or even thousand bytes on each of a few million page loads adds up. Look at this from Google's main page: "function sf(){document.f.q.focus();}"

      There are scripts out there that will cut variable names down to one or two letters.

    15. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Durf · · Score: 1

      You could also look to these guys as another possible source of friction. Assuming they have the right to that name and can hang onto that right in the face of Google lawyers.

    16. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      There may not be any proof -- but if Apple wasn't prepared to get nasty, it was only because they hadn't noticed the web page yet. Apple is noriously intolerant of this kind of copying.

    17. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that Google is worried that Apple will subpoena them to find out who leaked the dock?

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    18. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      1. Good practice (your development environment should mirror your producition environment).

      2. Anything that gets put up there probably goes through an automatic parser that strips out all the superfluous characters.

    19. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't speculate Apple legals role in this. You can get sued for it.

    20. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Genie Effect is related to minimizing windows. It doesn't have anything to do with magnification. The Dock Prefs bare that out.

    21. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by adrianbaugh · · Score: 1

      Apple's intolerance aside, that article kind of makes amusing reading these days, insinuating that Apple were going for looks yet delivering poor hardware and software that was worse than Microsoft's. As it turns out their hardware, software and looks were all good...
      But that whole article reads kind of trollish anyway.

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    22. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, Dave, just ONCE could you not jump up to kiss Apple's ass?

    23. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by eclectic4 · · Score: 0

      Well thank god nobody will ever, ever, evar, have to edit any code that you have evar worked on before. Ever...

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    24. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by jallen02 · · Score: 1

      Technically if you have a staging environment to test on your development environment can stand to be a little different as long as sufficient QA is performed on your staging systems where QA should be testing anyhow. I see nothing wrong with developing a clean version and then running a post-coding process and then testing that on your development system. Who is to say that he didn't test it throughly in the processed/compressed format?

      Jeremy

    25. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      grandparent: He probably has a clearer version of the code kept for himself, thats what I do.

      people work on the unobfuscated code. then when they make changes to it, they obfuscate it, test the obfuscated version, and post the obfuscated version.

      the obfuscator returns a table showing which variable names have been changed to what, to make debugging easier.

    26. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just like any other company that sues others who produce stuff that tries hard to look like their products, but is just a crummy knock-off. Too bad for the copiers if the originator has a trademark or trade dress on the design.

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    27. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by eclectic4 · · Score: 1

      Sounds reasonable, but what doesn't is working while "keeping a clearer version for himself". I assumed he meant in his "head", which makes my post still stand. I understand the obfuscation workflow I just didn't think that's what he referred to. I could be wrong of course. But... poopsicle.

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    28. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 1

      Moderator could think the karma holder is overrated to begin with ;)

    29. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 1

      Sounds reasonable, but what doesn't is working while "keeping a clearer version for himself". I assumed he meant in his "head", which makes my post still stand.

      He writes the code normally, tests it normally, but then has a script reduce the variable names etc. before releasing it. He doesn't have to maintain two versions. He maintains one human-readable version, then automatically generates out the bandwidth-optimized version.

    30. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Rhipf · · Score: 1

      Am I totally out to lunch here. This is supposed to be the result of "a fun late-night coding jaunt"? This looks like a simple role over effect to me. I could probably whip up something quite simular, using one of a dozen or more web editors, in less than half an hour. I didn't look at the pages source code so there might be something I'm missing but this doesn't look too hard to implement nor should it cause any legal problems from Apple or any one else.

    31. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perl.

    32. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by parkrrrr · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, whatever Google uses to post-process their scripts also chooses the variable names randomly. I've got three versions of the Google Maps scripts here, and even though each of them starts off with the same code, the variable names are all utterly different. I've assumed that it's done that way in an attempt to either evade diff, or prevent a third party piggybacking additional code on the Google code.

    33. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Rhys · · Score: 1

      He could have done a CSS version of the exact mac effect if he'd spent long enough dwaddling with the images/magnification. http://alistapart.com/articles/sprites/ tells ya how.

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    34. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by MilenCent · · Score: 1

      No, I was referring to Apple's cease-and-desists to prevent Linux window managers from including an Aqua-like theme, which dates back to a couple of years ago I think.

    35. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about the Linux windows managers, but in the case of Aqua-soft and other Windows emulations of OS X, there were actual copyright violations, with icons and other art directly lifted from OS X. Would Apple have acted differently if the developers had created their own icon sets and other art? I don't know, but their case would have been much weaker.

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    36. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by MilenCent · · Score: 1

      Ah, I'm afraid that I myself am unaware of the Aqua-soft case, sorry about that. What I remember reading was about Apple cracking down on user interface elements that purposely look like the interface of OS X, but I don't think were necessarily direct copies.

      It's possible that we're talking about the same case, and mental static and failed pairity checks in my memory have confused the details of the case in my mind -- it's been at least a couple of years since I saw my example, and am not sure if I could find it again if I searched for it. If that's the case, I apologize.

  3. Google cache to the rescue! by Markaci · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can see a working version (minus the images) at the google cache of the page. It is really neat. Sucks that it was taken down.

    1. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Shachaf · · Score: 1

      I just found a working version (with images) Here.

    2. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Shachaf · · Score: 5, Informative

      A link that actually works can be found Here.

    3. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Orgazmus · · Score: 2, Informative

      This one is a bit more complete:
      http://dinkdoink.com.nyud.net:8090/me/googlex/

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    4. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by MonoNexo · · Score: 1

      Neat save, but for the originator to avoid the broken image links at the end, is to modify the javascript code wherever the below is found: .src=s[i+1]+".gif" The array key for s will change in the three instances this is called, but what's weird is that the code will not just swap the picture, but will actually reload the resized image each time. So, you need to change this to: .src="[Keep the quotes, but lose the brackets and insert the folder path for the images]"+s[i+1]+".gif"} Thank's for saving the images.

    5. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by phiz187 · · Score: 1

      OH the irony.
      -PHiZ

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    6. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by DRWeasle · · Score: 1

      Here is another working version (faster):
      http://ed.agadak.net/googlex/

      Also check out the discusion group at:
      googlex

    7. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Celestial+Avenger · · Score: 2

      slashdot'd Lead another full mirror to the gallows for us, please!

    8. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1
      A link that actually works...

      NOT anymore!

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    9. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's got a gmail icon there as well, but don't set the bad bouncing one as a home page.. it could get annoying after a bit ;)
      http://ed.agadak.net/googlex/badBounce.html

    10. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Myrmi · · Score: 2, Informative

      That isn't quite how it worked; that link doesn't partially zoom into adjacent icons to the one you're hovering over as the original did...

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    11. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by CrackerJack9 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This one works for me at 2:46am est u.s.

      My two cents...I can do the same thing with text using a nifty CSS a:hover {font size +3}...not that hard...(and not it's not meant to actually work the way written).

      Is it really that copyright-able just because they are graphics...come on.

    12. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compared to the OS X dock, it's a bit clunky, but a nice start.

    13. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by shaka · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, this is quite how the one at labs.google.com worked - that didn't zoom any other icons except the one the mouse was over either.

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    14. Re:Google cache to the rescue! by Myrmi · · Score: 1

      Sorry - you're right. I could have sworn it worked the other way, but no. Sorry. I don't know what I was thinking.

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  4. We are good by jambarama · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Not a single post up yet, and yet the site is already slashdotted into oblivion. Wow.

    1. Re:We are good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There is a problem with the database that is preventing the site from working.

      An email has been sent to the administrator notifying them of the problem. Please try again later.
      I the administrator has a large mail box.
  5. If it were Windows by Arghdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Would that just make the page #0000FF and all text #FFFFFF ?

    *grin*

    1. Re:If it were Windows by GoClick · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Boo-erns Boo-erns

    2. Re:If it were Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Montgomery J. Burns: "Smithers, were they saying 'boo' or 'boo-urns'?"

      Smithers: "I believe they were saying 'boo-urns', sir."

      Mr. Mole: "I was saying 'boo-urns'."

      Montgomery J. Burns: "Excellent."

      His name is 'Burns', not 'Berns'!

      Pat Garrett: "Encumbered by igits, we pressed on." [regarding Vigo Mortensen]

    3. Re:If it were Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you make enough people sad on the internet, one day your Mommy will love you.

    4. Re:If it were Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa, dude...did you forget to take your pills?

    5. Re:If it were Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... Try typing "about:mozilla" in MSIE...

  6. laugh slashdotted already by msew · · Score: 0, Redundant

    laugh slashdotted already

  7. Already? by kristopher · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is there a screen shot of the screen shot?

    1. Re:Already? by Shachaf · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was lucky enough to see the page before it was taken down, but a (non-zoomed) screenshot is linked from the article.

    2. Re:Already? by kristopher · · Score: 1

      Thanks, it looks awesome. I can just imagine what it would look like while hovering over the images.

    3. Re:Already? by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      Thanks, it looks awesome.

      "Hello, son? This is the President calling from Earth."
      "It's an honour to receive your call, Sir."
      "You're the first man on Mars, son - can you tell us what it's like?"
      "Words can barely describe it, Sir - it...it's awesome!"
      "Awesome? What, you mean like a web page?"
      "No, Sir..."

      (With apologies to Eddie Izzard)

    4. Re:Already? by HalliS · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      An email has been sent to the administrator notifying them of the problem.

      That's gonna be a *lot* of emails...

  8. Still blgged on the Google's Blog by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ironically, this is still talked about on the Google's own Blog

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    1. Re:Still blgged on the Google's Blog by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      Odd how only one person seems to have mentioned video.google.com

      And for everyone wondering what else google has/had up its Google Lab sleeve: site:labs.google.com

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    2. Re:Still blgged on the Google's Blog by Finuvir · · Score: 1

      I propose a new Slashdot rule: If you describe something as ironic you must accompany that description with an explanation of the irony.
      Failing that, just give us a -1, Only Pretending To Be Able To Speak English mod.
      What? Oh, yeah, I keep some spare karma for when I post things like this.

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  9. Admitted is was influenced by OS X by bsharitt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if them admitting that it was modeled after OS X quickened its demise. Maybe if they kept their mouths shut nobody would have said anything.

  10. Bummer! by JhohannaVH · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Boo - I was playing with that today, and I really loved it. Something like that would be especially cool for my blind friend who uses a computer more than I do, and I'm an SE! I hope that they bring something like that back to help the visually impaired.

    Jho

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    1. Re:Bummer! by FLAGGR · · Score: 4, Funny

      How would zooming help your blind friend? AFAIK no matter how far you zoom, it doesn't get any clearer to people that can't see. Or am I missing a joke or something?

    2. Re:Bummer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because someone is legally blind does not mean that they can't see anything at all. Many have extremely poor vision, but can still read if the text is sufficiently large or close enough.

    3. Re:Bummer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      legally blind is just 20/200

      people like that can read massively magnified text with thick glasses

      i know, i have a friend who does that

      he uses a mac, of course.

    4. Re:Bummer! by Sleepy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not everyone who is "legally blind", is "totally blind".

      While I don't think the demo was intended to be accessible, larger images and text DO help vision impared people...

    5. Re:Bummer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine the best way to make it useful to the blind is use full size images, and then have the code shrink them etc, so that when they're moused over, they zoom up to the full res version, thus making them clearer.

      I don't really see the point over just offering a large format version of a website for the visually impaired.

  11. Mirror please by TheBoostedBrain · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Site slashdotted already

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    1. Re:Mirror please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to correct the typo in your sig

  12. Now, where's Google/2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want my Google inteface based on Workplace Shell!

  13. Code Still Available by ewithrow · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case you have a good use for it, you can find the HTML here:

    http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=29 7173&st=40&p=585627099&#entry585627099

  14. slashdoted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashdoted is less then 5 minets

  15. Oh Lord! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The icons that grew as you mouseovered are gone! This is a major step backwards for the web! Next thing you'll be telling me is that the new msn search actually works! Horrors!!!

  16. The perfect thing to have left... by Faust7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...would have been a lone picture of a smushed Morley cigarette.

  17. Variable names... by 1000101 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "a fun late-night coding jaunt to help me learn Javascript and DHTML."

    Let's hope his variable naming conventions don't hold true for all of his development work... From source code:

    k=document;v=Date;x=false;z=Array;af=Math.floor;ag =RegExp;b=new z(12);s=new z("null","web","images","groups","news","froogle", "local","scholar","video","maps","labs","more");aa =new z(11);ab=10;t=0;u=0;n=0;o=new v();h=5;m=385;c=0;w=x;var title;var firstHoverOccurred=x;m=385;p=0;function d(ac){c=ac;o=new v();setTimeout("gidle()",20);}function e(ac){c=0;w=x;o=new v();setTimeout("gidle()",20);}function ae(){for(var j=1;j35){b[i]-=h;if(b[i]'}else{var y=(c-7)*70+70;title.innerHTML=''+k.getElementById( imagename).alt}}b[c]+=h;p=1;if(b[c]>70){b[c]=70}l+ =b[c];if(l70){b[c]=70}l=m}var g=af(255-255*(b[c]-35)/35);title.style.color="rgb( "+g+","+g+","+g+")";imageElem.width=b[c];imageElem .height=b[c];k.getElementById(imagename).src=s[c]+ ".gif"}m=l;var ad=new v();ab=ad.getTime()-o.getTime();o=ad;t+=ab;u++;n=t /u;h=5;if(u>4){if(n>30){h=10}if(n>60){h=15}if(n>90 ){h=20}}if(p){setTimeout("gidle()",20);p=0}}

    1. Re:Variable names... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not easy to read or manage, but it sure downloads fast. And if you're serving it to a few million visitors a day, those add up fast in bandwidth savings.

    2. Re:Variable names... by Philippe · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a reason why the code looks like this: bandwidth. With the amount of people loading Google.com every day, even one character off their home page must make a significant difference.

    3. Re:Variable names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horrable nameing conventions.... brain exploiding!!

    4. Re:Variable names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They use one-character, undescriptive variable names to cutdown on the bandwidth used whenever they can. If I recall correctly, Google Suggest is just as unreadable.

    5. Re:Variable names... by comwiz56 · · Score: 1

      Google almost always compresses code this (look at the source for google suggest or google maps).

    6. Re:Variable names... by Matilda+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      Looks like an adventure in bookmarkletting...

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    7. Re:Variable names... by syphoon · · Score: 1

      It's quite possible Google have an inhouse Javascript formatter to replace variable names with single and double character names when the time comes to go public with the code, just to save on bandwidth.

    8. Re:Variable names... by GoClick · · Score: 5, Informative

      Quite possibly code re-coded. Ie it was obfuscated after the fact. Obfuscated might be a bad word, smallized might be a better one. ;)

    9. Re:Variable names... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      smallized might be a better one.

      I think the word you want is "optimerized".

      No, I'm not George. Good guess, though.

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    10. Re:Variable names... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      In fact, Google seems to be doing this on all their pages.

      For example, Google Maps sports a 90KB file named "maps" (no extension) that is included from the main page and contains nothing but such compressed javascript.

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    11. Re:Variable names... by nmoog · · Score: 1

      I just expanderised the whole thing to have a look at how it works and there are some cool smallerizing tricks going on. Like the text that appears above the icons is actually the images alt tag ( title.innerHTML = k.getElementById( imagename ).alt ) . great idea.

      Also the declaration of z = Array thats cool

      I wonder if it was hand-smallerized, or via machiney, 'cause there is "x = false;" but no "y = true;" - true is only used a couple of times throughout the script.

    12. Re:Variable names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, so what is wrong with that? He didn't even use half the alphabet.

    13. Re:Variable names... by Walker2323 · · Score: 1

      Ya, totally, what crappy co... Wait a minute, I have no idea what that word-jumble means.

    14. Re:Variable names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe unimbiggened.

    15. Re:Variable names... by Lillesvin · · Score: 1

      Perhaps: debigulized

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    16. Re:Variable names... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      I hope it wasnt coder recoded - its badly programmed. The function gidle() is missing a HELL of a lot of closing braces for all the if statements in there, basically they just all run off the end of the function, which may be acceptable but it looks freaking auwfull.

    17. Re:Variable names... by jizmonkey · · Score: 1

      Your Jebediah Springfield reference is good, but neither apt nor great.

      The code was of course debigulated. And as we all know, the idea of a rebigulator is so patently absurd I can't even begin to comprehend it...

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    18. Re:Variable names... by Albio · · Score: 1

      True that Slashdot is not the whole world, but how many people actually load the front page. Between browser cache and Google bar(s)... not many. And then I'm also missing the fact that there's more to Google than the front page. -- Okok... I just wanted to post something...

  18. Blimey! by Fjornir · · Score: 1

    The story reads even better in cockney

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  19. Seems the screenshot... by dtperik · · Score: 1

    has vanished as well. Actually, I think I do see some smoke.

  20. Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They seem to have gotten Flexbeta too. Its like some sort of conspiracy - X Files indeed!

  21. Backup by Chroder · · Score: 0

    http://home.comcast.net/~rymcvpics/googlex.htm

  22. Mirror of X by sammykrupa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a fully functional mirror of Google X:
    http://www.theplaceforitall.com/googlex/

    1. Re:Mirror of X by BuckEZ · · Score: 1

      Thanks. That's pretty cool. Hopefully, they will put it back.

  23. Mirrored copy by SoLO · · Score: 2, Informative

    here and
    here

  24. Mirror by boredMDer · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a mirror here: http://googlex.foxified.info/, from someone in ATM at DSLR.

    1. Re:Mirror by Atmchicago · · Score: 1

      That's funny, the chicago branch of ATM wasn't aware of this!

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  25. All your bases... belong to Apple Legal by digitalgimpus · · Score: 2, Funny

    All your bases... belong to Apple Legal

    1. Re:All your bases... belong to Apple Legal by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Funny


      While apparently all the karma belongs to people offering mirrors.

      Ah, the opportunities of a slashdotting... ;-D
      SB

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    2. Re:All your bases... belong to Apple Legal by seanvaandering · · Score: 1

      Ah, the opportunities of a slashdotting... ;-D

      Yes indeed! I'm clicking and refreshing as much as I possibly can! Its my little way of contributing ;)

    3. Re:All your bases... belong to Apple Legal by Teja · · Score: 1

      yes, but what about the fact that slashdot effect is getting weaker?

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  26. A working cache by DarkMantle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A working cache of the original site is available over here

    You're welcome

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    1. Re:A working cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, no. Its "your welcome."

      Noob.

  27. mirror dot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  28. Local Copy by pseinstein · · Score: 4, Informative

    Non Working Mirror of Page but it has a zip of all the files you need to run it locally, works too so I can still use it as my homepage. http://www.geocities.com/googlexmirror/

    1. Re:Local Copy by KenAndCorey · · Score: 1

      It is nice that Google makes it so easy to create one's own Google homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/kenandcorey/go.htm

      And it is XHTML compliant.

    2. Re:Local Copy by burns210 · · Score: 1

      here is a working image for you... linkage

  29. The Opposite Conclusion by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My conclusion was just the opposite.

    I thought that Google had doctored up this obvious territorial infringement on the Mac OS X desktop as a warning shot fired across Apple's bow since Apple is apparently making a big deal out of searching interfaces and algorithms with it's forthcoming Spotlight technology in it's next operating system.

    1. Re:The Opposite Conclusion by dn15 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But why would Google be "warning" Apple? Spotlight is for searching data on your computer, not the Internet. And Google's desktop search app only exists on Windows. It's not as if the two are in competition when it comes to searching.

    2. Re:The Opposite Conclusion by Marran+Gray · · Score: 1

      Recall that Google's mission is to "organize all the data in the world". They want your computer too! I'm not saying that's bad, just that Google has technically laid claim to the turf.

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    3. Re:The Opposite Conclusion by ricotest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In fact, Google's Mac port of their desktop search program was first only hinted at, and then cancelled as Spotlight grew nearer. They know when to stay out of something not worth their time.

    4. Re:The Opposite Conclusion by mrdaveb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought that Google had doctored up this obvious territorial infringement on the Mac OS X desktop as a warning shot fired across Apple's bow...

      Hmm, yeah. The menacing threat conveyed by the Google X tagline certainly backs up your theory: "Roses are red. Violets are blue. OS X rocks. Homage to you."

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  30. in other news . . . by weighn · · Score: 0, Troll

    Google Labs is set to launch a screenless mp3 player the size of a cigarette lighter that plays songs in a rando
    PHHHHHHHHHHHHTTT!

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    1. Re:in other news . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iRiver already has a mp3 player the size of a cigarette lighter except it has a screen and can play songs in any order you want and record audio from the FM radio in it or from the microphone...

    2. Re:in other news . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you can also run out of space in one fifth the time. Or even faster!

  31. He shouldn't have to keep his mouth shut by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some guy noodling around in his 20% time to profess his love for OS X hardly seems like something the legal department (or any damn department) should concern themselves with.

    Then again, I've had a few beers and can imagine the world, with a few minor tweaks, being perfect like that.

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  32. Very cool, but not because of the Mac theme by Game+Genie · · Score: 1

    The pseudo dock is neat, I guess, but the really cool thing about googlex is that it has links to several of the latest google sites such as google scholar and google video that are not linked on the google front page.

  33. Obfuscated.. by cmburns69 · · Score: 1, Informative

    Apparently, anything put out to the public for google must run through an obfuscator/compressor.

    The reasons would obviously be:
    a) Bandwidth: All those extra characters (newlines, variable names, etc) can really add up.
    b) Security: Competitors can't steal what they can't read.. or can they?

    Definately cool, though!

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    1. Re:Obfuscated.. by mshaslam · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Not obfuscated, just compressed. I saw it this morning and wanted to learn how it worked so I tabbed it out and changed some of the var names to something more human readable. It only took a few minutes.
      ...
      function gidle(){
      var l=0;
      for(var i=1;i<b.length;i++){
      var imagename="image"+i;
      var imageElem=doc.getElementById(imagename);
      if(c!=i){
      if(b[i]>35){
      b[i]-=h;
      if(b[i]<=35){
      b[i]=35;
      imageElem.src=images[i]+"-sm.gif"
      }
      imageElem.width=b[i];
      imageElem.height=b[i];
      if(c==0){
      var g=floor(255-255*(b[i]-35)/35);
      title.style.color="rgb("+g+","+g+","+g+")"
      }
      p=1
      }
      l+=b[i]
      }
      }
      ...
      If someone like me can get the basics this way, you can bet a real coder can follow it without a problem.

      MSH
    2. Re:Obfuscated.. by smallguy78 · · Score: 1

      for IIS:http://www.w3compiler.com/

      there's load of tools that do this, it's not a new thing, I can't understand the fuss! The reason the exist is that whitespace costs bandwidth.

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    3. Re:Obfuscated.. by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 1

      You need full HTML and all the scrips to follow it ;). I believe that's the code for fading out the text on zoomed elements though. Also it probably unzooms the icons ;p

    4. Re:Obfuscated.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > If someone like me can get the basics this way, you can bet a real coder can follow it without a problem.

      The guy said he he did it as an exercise to learn JavaScript.

      Dunno but someone who's learning JavaScript in 2005 doesn't quite fit in my book as a real coder. Plus what he did is anything but amazing... Yet, they get paid for it :-)

  34. Coral Cache by balster+neb · · Score: 1

    Coral cache of the linked image here.

  35. Speculation by daitengu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why all this about Apple's legal department? Google Labs says that sites will be pulled down if they're too intensive on the Google Labs server, and this was a VERY popular layout today. It's quite possible that that is the reason they pulled it down. I doubt Apple would threaten them over something like this.

    1. Re:Speculation by daitengu · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because I'm a bumbling idiot, I forgot to include the link...

      Google Labs FAQ

    2. Re:Speculation by Bullet-Dodger · · Score: 5, Funny
      Speculation (Score:4, Informative)
      Re:Speculation (Score:3, Informative)

      Bumbling idiot like a fox!

    3. Re:Speculation by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

      I'm just impressed you put the punchline in the same post :)

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    4. Re:Speculation by shird · · Score: 1

      It is just a static page. Everything is done client-side in javascript. I think google can handle serving up a few pages of HTML for @#$@#$ sake.

      When they talk about 'intensive on the labs server', they are referring to things that do loads of CPU intensive stuff on the server. ie, google 'sets', or graphing or stuff like that. A couple kb to a few thousand blog readers is extremely unlikely to cause a problem for Google. Think about how much those servers must serve up everyday. Even if the labs servers are different, this one static page would be a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the labs stuff.

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  36. Meh. by sakusha · · Score: 4, Funny

    I saw it when it was active, my reaction was about the same as when I saw the Magnification feature in the real MacOS X dock, "cool, now let me turn that off and never use it again."

    1. Re:Meh. by ricotest · · Score: 1

      Completely agree. While it's just so cool, it's much smoother to have it turned off. UI elements moving around as you mouse over other ones is distracting.

  37. Host it locally by Sergeant+Beavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just host the code locally on your drive and bookmark Google to it. Then you can enjoy it as your Google homepage for now on.

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    1. Re:Host it locally by pseinstein · · Score: 1

      As I mentioned earlier a Zip with all the files is located at http://www.geocities.com/googlexmirror/

    2. Re:Host it locally by Sergeant+Beavis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, and thank you for putting it there. Good netizen, here's a bone for you ;)

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    3. Re:Host it locally by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

      What's the process to do this? Got the code already.

    4. Re:Host it locally by burns210 · · Score: 1
      Unzip it and open the index.html file in there.

      Here is an example.

    5. Re:Host it locally by SpammersAreScum · · Score: 1

      Notice their link to the zip doesn't work? Maybe it is a conspiracy... :-,)

    6. Re:Host it locally by Drakonian · · Score: 1
      Bandwidth transfer exceeded. Anyone have a mirror?

      Thanks.

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  38. Neat poem by oskard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the google cache page: "Roses are red. Violets are blue. OS X rocks. Homage to you." Sure hope Apple didn't yell at them, after such a nice complement. I don't own any Apple products but they seem like a cool, hip, and forgiving company. This would change my perspective of them, much like when Google went after XGoogle.

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    1. Re:Neat poem by MonoNexo · · Score: 1

      Yes, because obviously if you write "Roses are red. Violets are blue. Windows XP rocks. Homage to you." all over your wall paper, you can freely rip off Microsoft products as well.

    2. Re:Neat poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the same Apple that sells DRM (not cool) and says bloggers "aren't legitimate journalists" (not forgiving).

      I guess they are "hip" though.

      But Apple are full of themselves now that they are getting big. Time to hunker down and wait for the "beleaguered" part of the cycle to return.

    3. Re:Neat poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, if you go around writing stuff like "M$ sux and Winblows is crap", you're free to rip them off as much as you want. Apparently.

    4. Re:Neat poem by wackywendell · · Score: 1
      Ha ha...I think you meant compliment, not complement, but actually they both work.

      The 'i' makes a 'compliment' a nice thing to say, the 'e' makes a 'complement' something that goes well with the original thing...completes it.

    5. Re:Neat poem by beoba · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how giving Apple free advertising in a realm in which they are not competing is hurting their business.

      But then again, I'm not a lawyer, and I hear they like lawsuits, so maybe I'm just not seeing the big picture.

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  39. PS by dn15 · · Score: 1

    I should add that Apple *does* have Sherlock but that's been around for years...

  40. Flamebait? by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I'm merely expressing my opinion that Apple is a particularly stupid company for stopping a website from paying homage to their product. It's not like they are:

    a. taking away any potential earnings
    b. using the same technology: that is, Google is a website and Apple's theme is a Window Manager
    c. It's has elements of transformation of Apple's idea - that is the webpage design was a way of navigating Google and not the traditional means of navigating an operating system.

    If anything, this should be allowed under fair use laws in the United States. The only thing not going for it is that Google is not a non-profit organisation.

    Anyway, my original point stands: Apple sucks for doing this.

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    1. Re:Flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google shows you as an active contributor to Wikipedia. Maybe your habit of jumping to conclusions (not to mention condoning IP theft, and COMPLETELY misunderstanding the purpose of fair use besides) is why Wikipedia sucks so much.

    2. Re:Flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no clue that Apple even responded to this, nobody said that Apple caused it to come down, relax buddy.

    3. Re:Flamebait? by jbarket · · Score: 1

      Where did it even mention that Apple had seen this, let alone stuck their lawyers on Google?

      More importantly, do you really believe that the machine that is Google would simply cowtow to Apple over javascript rollovers with larger mouseover images? I think not.

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    4. Re:Flamebait? by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Good point. I stand corrected.

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    5. Re:Flamebait? by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      It didn't. I was an idiot. I stand corrected.

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  41. Reason to think Apple is involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget that the author of the popular Windows application 'Y'z Dock' (simulates OS X's dock) was forced to cease development and remove the app from his site.

    With all the suing coming from Apple there is every reason to believe Apple is involved in Google taking this down.

  42. Big deal.. by ShawnDoc · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I did the same thing by accident years ago when I resized the icons on a web page I was working on, but forgot to resize the mouseover images.

    1. Re:Big deal.. by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      blah, it's slightly cooler than that. The images are being dynamically resized. You can actually see in-between frames where the images are in different degrees of magnification. But hey, it is just a stupid trick, nothing to get excited about.

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    2. Re:Big deal.. by passion · · Score: 1

      Ahhh... then you weren't paying close enough attention. They all move out to the sides when you enter... it works a lot like the dock.

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    3. Re:Big deal.. by skiflyer · · Score: 1

      That's the same thing that happens when you use different sized images on a mouse over vs non-mouse over if they're lined up like that.

      The peculair part of this setup is the dynamic scaling, that is that it's not just jumping from one size image to the next as a snap, it's actually growing and shrinking by increments.

      woohoo.

  43. This is NOT useable by GoClick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mod me down, do whatever you want, just because I'm not impressed every time Google jumps.

    Part of the goodness of Google is how simple it is.

    I'm sorry but I don't associate a compass with local searches, The word Local is much better, I can read 10 links in the same time it takes to move the mouse over 1 icon to figure out what it does.

    It's just a script-trick. Yes it's fun, yes it's good looking, no it's not accessable or bandwidth friendly. It's not even that well coded.

    This is just another stupid trick but because it's Google it gets press attention?

    Frankly, that's kind of silly. There are a lot more cutting edge things floating around out there than images that resize when you roll over them.

    1. Re:This is NOT useable by kidlinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, maybe if you'd step back and look at the larger picture, you'd realise some of the implications this presents.

      If and when google does its thing and releases a client/server OS or platform where all the apps are served up over the web, this little trick demonstrates that it's possible to make a very nice looking, very slick, and user friendly interface similar to that of a full blown OS currently on the market.

      Eye candy is apparently possible, and it is necessary. The average user will most likely select their platform based on the look and feel first, then functionality - which is about the same way most people make all their purchases.

      This IS usable.

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    2. Re:This is NOT useable by Forbman · · Score: 1

      Look (how I think you will think I look with it) and feel may be first, but then comes imagined/perceived/possible utility, and a distant third, whether it's actually the best tool to do what it will actually be doing at the right price.

    3. Re:This is NOT useable by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      Google creating this didn't get press attention.
      Google putting this up for a day and then pulling it got press attention. The story is that it went public for a short time before being pulled.

      Also, this is very well coded considering how well it worked even on my old copy of mozilla(back in the milestone days. Old copy of knoppix, don't ask.)
      Maybe you're confusing optimized code for bad code?

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    4. Re:This is NOT useable by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1

      More than the actual UI itself (which, like you, I have hard time liking), I'm impressed by, firstly, that there's a clear tradition of skunkworks projects at Google, and second, the speed in which a skunk-works project came to public notice. Now, admittedly, Google has an advantage in that it essentially sells a web-application, but still, fascinating.

    5. Re:This is NOT useable by meanman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This doesn't represent anything! There are no implications.

      The grandparent was right, it's just a stupid script trick. This stuff has been possible for many years now, it's not new. It's not innovative. Just because Google does something, all the Google fanboys run around shouting "it's profound!" from the rooftops. Many other groups have done similar and even more fancy things with html and scripting, which has demonstrated many many times over that this stuff is possible. It doesn't require Google to make that 'implication'.

      For crying out loud. When you combine a turing complete language (javascript) with a nice graphical toolkit (html/css), of course stuff like this is possible. Stuff like this and more! I don't understand why all these so called 'web developers' are constantly amazed when they see these little tricks!

    6. Re:This is NOT useable by 3th3rn3t · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you got it right, its just another attempt for attention. Just like their other 30 projects and categories they have included *sigh*. Wont people understand it was some guy just messing around for his own pleasure.

      And as for bw bitchin, images are 2kb and would get cached (localy/squid/anything). Give me a break :)

    7. Re:This is NOT useable by kryptKnight · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but I don't associate a compass with local searches, The word Local is much better, I can read 10 links in the same time it takes to move the mouse over 1 icon to figure out what it does.

      The compass is just a googlified version of the safari icon, googlex is/wasn't made to be usable, it was made to be cute.

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    8. Re:This is NOT useable by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      umm.. how the hell does zooming pictures when you place the cursor over them represent a full blown os, in any way that matters?

      it's a very cheap ui-look trick. very.

      (if you'd want that angle.. there's lots of sites out there that represent it better)

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    9. Re:This is NOT useable by Fillymon · · Score: 1

      Well I like it. But then, I'm also fascinated by paper bags, pieces of string, and shiny things.

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    10. Re:This is NOT useable by dave420 · · Score: 1
      Not really. Most eye-candy on OSX and Windows is not performed using javascript. Using javascript for such things is ridiculous, as we all have hyper-powerful GPUs that can do this in their sleep - making the CPU do it is pointless.

      Anyway, I think it was just something some guy did, and google took it down. No big cover-up, no smoking man, no fucking scully.

    11. Re:This is NOT useable by jefp · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least it didn't make the other icons move all over the place, like some other versions of this idea that I've seen. Those are *impossible* to use; this one was merely annoying.

    12. Re:This is NOT useable by Open_The_Box · · Score: 1

      Silly? Yes. Fun? Yes. Slightly pointless? Yes.

      And yet you ARE posting a comment about it. You don't think much of it and you felt compelled to post anyway? Obviously you did consider it newsworthy or you'd have ignored it.

      Me? I think it's a cool little widget. Let it have its day in the techie news cycle. Where's the harm?

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  44. Hmmmm. by caferace · · Score: 1

    This sounds vaguely familiar...

  45. Experimental Webpage VANISHES! News at 11!! by mekkab · · Score: 1

    Slow news day, eh?

    It was very cute, though. Even funnier was how people who've never used OS X had a reaction akin to: "Uhm, so what?"

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  46. my version by no1here · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before there were mirrors I created my own version of Google X using a script I found. It works more like an actual OSX dock because the images gradually get bigger as you move through them all.

    http://shiwej.com/googlex/

    1. Re:my version by teoryn · · Score: 1

      Very nice, the text above the icons gets a bit jumpy, but fun to play with none the less.

    2. Re:my version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is sweet. are you willing to share the code?

    3. Re:my version by no1here · · Score: 5, Informative

      The code I used is available from logjjic.net at http://lojjic.net/script-library/OSXBar-doc.html . It's available freely to use as long as it's for a non-commercial purpose. I'm not an expert at javascript or DHTML so I used that and then modified bits and pieces to display the bar the way I wanted it.

    4. Re:my version by eraserewind · · Score: 1

      kudos. that's really neat.

    5. Re:my version by burns210 · · Score: 1

      Just an FYI, works great in Firefox, but renders usable in Safari.. Much nicer version(when viewed through FF) then the Google page though. Nice improvement.

    6. Re:my version by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      It works in IE, but in Mozilla (1.8a4 for Windows XP) all I see are broken image icons. They still resize, which is kinda neat to look at, but then I loaded it in IE and I was like "whoa".

      ;-) Very nice.

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    7. Re:my version by Duncan3 · · Score: 1

      Cool, text moving is hard to track tho, and the license means I can't use it for anything, but I can learn from it :)

      Then again, I'm a strict minimalist when it comes to the web.

      A 1970 GUI in a 2005 web browser, woohooo!

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    8. Re:my version by no1here · · Score: 1

      Are there any javascript errors? Where are the images pointing to when you view their properties?

    9. Re:my version by no1here · · Score: 1

      At least there's a version of Google X that Google can't shutdown per their Google Labs terms of use. And I can always create new images if they have a problem with me using their images.

    10. Re:my version by oever · · Score: 1

      Same in konqueror 3.3.2. No javascript errors are given out.

      Kudos for a great piece of javascript though!
      And way before google did:
      OSXBar script by Jason Johnston (jj@lojjic.net) created July 2003.

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    11. Re:my version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before there were mirrors? You must be really old! And a great visionary for your days!

    12. Re:my version by zBoD · · Score: 0

      Your version is much better than google's version!

      BoD

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    13. Re:my version by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      I don't know what that was supposed to look like, but on my Safari it's just a list of links down the left side of the screen with the google search down at the bottom. The images were on the left next to the links briefly, but disappeared when it finished loading and I couldn't get them to come back.

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    14. Re:my version by varmittang · · Score: 1

      doesn't show up right in Safari, so I write it up as a failure to pay hummage to OS X.

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    15. Re:my version by no1here · · Score: 1

      To reaffirm, I did not create the script. I only modified it a bit to get it to work a bit differently than it was originally intended.

    16. Re:my version by no1here · · Score: 1

      It works in IE and Mozilla/Firefox, though there appear to be some issues in a recent Mozilla build. The effect is rendered from an ordered list.

    17. Re:my version by no1here · · Score: 1

      That didn't come out like I wanted it. http://lojjic.net/ created the script, as you noted.

    18. Re:my version by no1here · · Score: 1

      I never said I was paying homage to OSX. And if someone can let me know how to fix it for Safari I will gladly do so. I tried for at least an hour and then gave up. Plus I had to use a browser screenshot service to check if it worked correctly, and it never did. I'm told that it works in the latest version(s) of Safari and Konqueror. The reason it doesn't render correctly is that Safari suffered from incompatibility issues with DOM2.

    19. Re:my version by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      No Javascript errors here either, just broken images that resize.

      Strangely, at work I was able to see it correctly in Mozilla. At home I use 1.8a4, not sure about work but I think 1.6 or so.

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  47. onMouseover THIS, lawyer jerks by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1
    I can't believe a small "growstuff" script serving as a menu could be a legal liability. Here is one I wrote, and not a very good one. So sue me.

    function grow() {
    ht = ht + increment;
    document.getElementById("image0").style.height=ht;
    if (ht < ht_max) {
    setTimeout("grow()",50);
    }

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  48. Full Mirro by Warthog9 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was able to get a full working mirror before it went down, it can be found here:

    http://www.eaglescrag.net/Googlex/

    1. Re:Full Mirro by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 2, Informative

      Another mirror here (http://cable.diskiller.net/google/ ).

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    2. Re:Full Mirro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod these up! Where are those damn Mod points when you need them.

  49. Also know as. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Use Code 2) Create Pictures 3) . . . 4) Prof. . . er. . . Get sued?

    1. Re:Also know as. . . by FLAGGR · · Score: 1
      Remember your <BR>'s
  50. They even took down the cache of the mirror. by infonography · · Score: 1
    courtesy of the Gcache extension in firefox

    Of course I am trolling. It's not been up long enough for google to cache it.

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  51. BMP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hah, I like how they used a bitmap for the screenshot. ;-p
    http://www.flexbeta.net/images/googlex2.bmp

  52. Jumping to conclusions by Thu25245 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's flamebait becauas you're jumping to an unjustified conclusion. There's no evidence that anyone from Apple was involved in the takedown. Yes, sometimes it seems Apple sues everything in sight, but to say that "Apple sucks for doing this" is not warranted at this juncture.

    1. Re:Jumping to conclusions by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Good point. I stand corrected.

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  53. Hmm, maybe I did. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I spotted the link to this story not long ago when looking at the article for MS dropping VB6 support. I considered submitting the article anonymously just to make Slashdot even more Google-centric (I never got around to getting an account) but was too lazy to bother.

    At least, I thought I was. It looks like I must have gone ahead and done it after all.

    Go me!

  54. Not that great by idrism · · Score: 1

    Sorry to break it to yall, but this really isn't that remarkable of a web app. If they had done it like Apple does, maybe it would be better. Someone needs to do it using the distance between the mouse and the image, instead of just a simple mouseover.

    1. Re:Not that great by Forbman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So, using CSS, someone could probably do it with a series of overlapping images, right, and just pop z-orders for the images as the mouse pointer approaches the "icon"? Or maybe use a clever image-scaling JavaScript function, possibly invoked by code that ensures only the icons adjacent to the pointer are being actively scaled (and let the browser move the pieces around), and not evaluating the entire strip of icons?

    2. Re:Not that great by jfisherwa · · Score: 1

      You mean like this? :)

    3. Re:Not that great by trawg · · Score: 1

      Nah, that'd never work.

      I'm going ... outside... to ... STALK... Lenny and Carl... at the patent office.

  55. Google Blog by Shinglor · · Score: 1

    The Google Blog gives some more info on where Google X came from. They haven't pulled the post yet or added an explanation for it's disappearance.

  56. As a wikipedia user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am faimilar with this user. He (or she) is very arrogant and has problem understanding basic logic. The person supports censorship of unpopular ideas as well.

    The moderation for this post is very correct and justified. Its really funny when he/she whines about articles he/she doesn't like and demands deletion but moans about being modded down!

  57. OT: Your .Sig by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    Only hillbillies sit around thinking of ways to catch flies.

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  58. E-mail... by izomiac · · Score: 1
    There is a problem with the database that is preventing the site from working.

    An email has been sent to the administrator notifying them of the problem. Please try again later.

    Seems like someone is in for a surprise when they open their inbox tomorrow...
  59. Google Interface by daniel_mcl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I attended a lecture by Peter Norvig, old-school AI researcher and now director of Google's search quality. He mentioned that occasionally they will try some new feature out by randomly showing it to 1% of their visitors, or showing it for a couple minutes, and seeing whether they get any positive or negative feedback. It seems like a pretty good idea. Between that and the nofollow attribute, they have a lot of very good out-of-left-field solutions to what could otherwise be viewed as *huge* CS/HI/business problems.

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    1. Re:Google Interface by moonbender · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How would they get feedback? There's a feedback link at the bottom of every search, but I can't imagine a lot of people using that. The only thing I can imagine is they served additional feedback interfaces to those random people.

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    2. Re:Google Interface by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

      Amazon do this too, I believe, for UI/process improvements, and new features. For example, a while back, as well as the usual sections:

      • Customers who bought this book also bought
      • Customers interested in this title may also be interested in
      • Customers who viewed this book also viewed

      ...on one browsing session, I also got shown:

      • Customers who viewed this book eventually went on to buy

      ...which I thought was a pretty good idea, as it lets you see the insight of people who've (hopefully) researched the area, read the Amazon reviews and made a decision.

      I've not seen it again, so I assume it was one of their 'random tryouts' for randomly chosen users.

    3. Re:Google Interface by Zillatron · · Score: 1
      How would they get feedback?

      They could read this discussion and many like it. Us hyped-up nerds seem to be willing to volunteer our opinions without the need of a scantron form or a telephone pollster. Its just a guess but I think if Google wants to know something that people freely post on the web, they feel comforatable, well, you know... searching for it online (there's got to be a shorter phrase that means the same thing!)

    4. Re:Google Interface by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I left Google feedback about Google News once and a flesh and blood human responded within a day with questions and input.

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    5. Re:Google Interface by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      There's a feedback link at the bottom of every search, but I can't imagine a lot of people using that.

      When you've got a few million people using a site at any one time, you're bound to get at least one...

  60. I'd love to be a large company in the internet age by kidventus · · Score: 5, Funny


    Steve Jobs: What is on the agenda today?
    Secretary: Well sir, while you were sleeping a Google employee wrote 9 lines of JavaScript and made a blog entry, which because everytime Google farts the world sniffs.., spead around the world through other blogs as world changing. However, because it linked to an external site Google took it down without explination cause they are all "mysterious" and better than other companies, and then someone said you did it on Slashdot and now we have a mob with pitch forks and torches outside 1 Inifinite Loop.
    Steve Jobs: Pitch forks already? I haven't had my coffee yet!

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  61. Google OS proved? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Doesn't this prove that Google is writing it's own OS?

  62. Swiki by mccoma · · Score: 1

    The dock theme for swiki (squeak wiki) also does this. It isn't quite as good, but it is a nice demo (more readable javascript).

  63. Re:Slashdotted already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really fail it today.

    Why is this post offtopic?

    Oh.. You fucking failure.

  64. Apple's "sue"ciety by tkcom · · Score: 1

    Did you notice that Apple has been legally aggressive for the last couple of years? Before that time, when any company sue someone, the reputation would be at stake...

    But not today. Since Apple has already brainwashed all of us, they now have the freedom to do anything they wanted without the whole world booing at them.

    Apple: Buy the new iPod, it's $50 off.
    Us: Y e s , m a s t e r . A r e t h o s e i P o d s o c k s o n s a l e t o o ?

    Orwells was right. Too bad he was off by only 21 years.

    1. Re:Apple's "sue"ciety by arodland · · Score: 1

      1963? Yeah, that sounds about right.

  65. And about the bandwith ? by Jules+Labrie · · Score: 1

    Just seeing the mirrors, it appears to me that, away from all these 'supposed' legal considerations, the amount of bandwith used by the google front page could be quite twice as big than now! It's not a little deal, when you have such a site...

  66. Frivalous Lawsuit by Alien+Venom · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else think that Apple suing (or threatening to) Google over this is going a little too far? I mean, the on-mouse-over-magnification thing is just like re-inventing the mouse -- it was bound to happen sooner or later and just because Apple included it into its OS X dock, it became really popular. Frankly, I think Microsoft should sue Apple because they have a close button on all of their "windows."

    1. Re:Frivalous Lawsuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about Apple suing Google, but you should be prosecuted for frivolous spelling.

  67. Hmm. by millennial · · Score: 1

    The screenshot is down, and I get:

    There is a problem with the database that is preventing the site from working.

    An email has been sent to the administrator notifying them of the problem. Please try again later.

    I wonder... is this thing really sending an e-mail to the administrator each time someone visits the Slashdotted image? If so... I feel sorry for both the administrator and the mailserver.

    Come to think of it, this may be the first time I've heard of a double-Slashdotting from a single story.

    Now, to get on topic enough that I'm not modded into oblivion...

    It's nifty that Google did this and all, but why not take advantage of the features of other operating systems? Windows XP (and maybe 2000? I can't remember) allows for semi-transparent windows; is there anything in HTML or CSS that could somehow take advantage of this? What about a Google site that does something funky using XUL in Firefox?
    Personally, I love seeing all the stuff Google Labs puts out, and I look forward to whatever else they might have.

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  68. Mod parent up by Ellen+Spertus · · Score: 1

    Very cool. I wish I had moderator points.

  69. Congratulations by Zorilla · · Score: 1

    You win the award for First Ever Comcast-hosted Personal Page That Actually Works!

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    1. Re:Congratulations by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      Not my site, I found the link in the forum that links to the source code.

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  70. Kind of like you, huh? by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    Funny how you've just jumped to conclusions also.

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    1. Re:Kind of like you, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was illustrating your stupidty by using your own fallacy. You aren't smart, are you?

  71. Google by theseeria · · Score: 1

    the site can kind of be seen at: http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:HaRYQqPANzcJ: labs.google.com/googlex/+&hl=en

  72. Astute comment. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    I unfortunately already jumped to these conclusions. Apparently, this is because I contributed to Wikipedia. Silly me!

    But the parent is correct. I'm now sort of sorry I jumped to those conclusions without proof.

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  73. oh art by courseB · · Score: 1

    google tends to rely on the text based approach for sub.sections. which is ok, but having simple art icons, that if well done, can only be a cool thing for the user.

    but if .apple calls a simple magnification of images upon rolloevers theirs, thats just lame... we all call it 'dock' effect now... its totally public domain

  74. Er... by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    ... well, I sure as hell don't know you. Perhaps I blocked you on Wikipedia? I wouldn't know because you're posting anonymously! And umm... perhaps you have problems parsing text but I didn't ever ask for this to be deleted. I merely jumped to the wrong conclusion, and asked why I was marked down as flamebait.

    Anyway, this is a moot point now anyway, as I've seen the error on what I wrote and stand corrected.

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    1. Re:Er... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its good that you don't know me becuase I know you would instantly throw ad-hominems and other fallacious arguments at me.

      Perhaps you have problems parsing text, but I never said you called for anything in this thread to be deleted!

      I've seen the error on what I wrote and stand corrected.

      Only after being publically humiliated into doing so.

    2. Re:Er... by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Oh, it's CheeseDreams. That's all I need to know. Enjoying your one year block for disrupting Wikipedia?

      As for standing down from my position: yep. That is correct. I made an idiot out of myself and am correcting my ideas as I can see that I was wrong. I don't really care what you think of my motives, as in this case your opinion doesn't count.

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    3. Re:Er... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, sorry, not the person in question.

      Anything else you wish to slander my character with? Not that it will matter, you have already made a total fool and jackass of yourself in this thread and on Wikipedia.

    4. Re:Er... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oh, it's CheeseDreams." -- Way to keep jumpin'!

      (Jumpin' to conclusions, that is. I wouldn't bother spelling it out, except that it's evident, from your replies to everyone who's posted already, that you're a bloody idiot.)

    5. Re:Er... by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      You can believe that if you wish. I don't think that I am, so I hope you don't mind if I politely ignore you. Have a nice day!

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  75. Re:Frivolous Lawsuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple threatened Google? Where did you read this???

  76. Probably not. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    I am a fairly stupid person. It helps me get through the day sometimes. What more can I say? Did you actually want me to agree with you? This is my last reply to an anonymous coward.

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    1. Re:Probably not. by tepples · · Score: 1

      This is my last reply to an anonymous coward.

      Many Slashdot users with vision impairments must post as Anonymous Coward, and here's why.

  77. +1, Old Skool by tmasssey · · Score: 1
    Well, it *is* kind of like Warp 3's Launchpad, but with zooming! :)

  78. Who's the coward now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One who refuses to fully admit his own mistake but instead tries to spread blame on others in shame.

    1. Re:Who's the coward now? by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Ummm... I HAVE fully admitted my mistake, in various comments. The "blame" here is on myself, this is correct, for making a silly comment because I didnt read the article carefully enough. I'm a big enough man to admit to this. I don't see any comments where I've spread the blame to other posters. I did respond to an anonymous coward's claim that it was because I contributed to Wikipedia - hi CheeseDreams! - so if that's spreading blame then I think you need to think that through a little further.

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    2. Re:Who's the coward now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not "CheeseDreems" as you so incorrectly purport.

      You are not fully admitting your mistake; you instead are taking the blame out on the people who point it out and call them names and try to slander them (as you are doing to me) with these labels.

      I thought you weren't going to reply to me? Looks like you can't even be consistent!

  79. this aint even funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    these sites get hit so fast slashdot should make mirrors of them before there even talked about

    thank god my site doesnt get mentioned on /. .

    the only sites to withstand the attacks are google and neowin.net who shall be /.ed with in time

    muhahahah

  80. Mystery Meat Navigation by Sir+Tandeth · · Score: 0
  81. Get your own copy ... by jdeitch · · Score: 2, Interesting
  82. X-Files by koko775 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The truth is out there. Or here: http://68.7.205.246:9500/googlex/Google.htm

  83. Whatever. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    IHBT. IHL. Argh!

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    1. Re:Whatever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me?

  84. Apple definitely won't bring harm to Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, Apple and Google are buddy-buddy with each other. They are seriously 15 minutes away from each other. Google buys custom Google-logo engraved iPods from Apple to give to their employees.

    If anything, I can see Steve Jobs driving allll the way over from Cupertino to Mountain View, and giving that engineer a Mac Mini just for coolness factor. And if good ol Jobs complains, then he'll just get an ass-whoopin.

  85. Prove it. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

    I've admitted I'm wrong (I can't beleive I'm replying to this), but if you think I've blamed my own stupidity on someone else then put up or shut up: post a link to where I did this and I'll publicly apologise to that person. Sound fair?

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    1. Re:Prove it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't read your own posts, then you really have major issues.

    2. Re:Prove it. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, are you the Stormfront member I blocked the other day? If so, your comments would make sense. It would also confirm that NeoNazis and Holocaust deniers are idiots. If you aren't a StormFront member I'll happily stand corrected.

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    3. Re:Prove it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we're a conglomerate of associated individuals. Stop rising to the bait, you fucking idiot.

  86. Just CSS? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    I've looked at the example page of how this functions and it looks like norhing more than a couple obvious lines of CSS would make this happen. I've had buttons that got bigger when hovered over before and usually found it more annoying than useful after the initial gee-whiz factor wears off. The closest I get on any of my current stylesheets, I think, is making my buttons move slightly as hovered over but it's largely the same kind of CSS effect.

    Who knew that a couple lines of CSS could be so impressive. :)

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    1. Re:Just CSS? by madaxe42 · · Score: 1

      Although you might think that the 'text/javascript' followed by a string of javascript might be a giveaway. CSS wouldn't be able to do the transition, just the beginning and endstates.

  87. It gets press because by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Slashdot loves Apple.
    2) Slashdot loves Google.
    3) It looks kinda nifty.
    4) It's not something most people expect HTML to be able to do.

    I mean your same criticims apply to the actual dock. Tog (Bruce Tognazzini, founder of the orignal Apple Human Interface Group) did a writeup on the dock and complained about it as being a nice tech demo but not good for usability. One of the reasons was no labels on icons (http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.h tml if you are curious).

    However, seems clear in the case of Google it was just a tech demo. Some guy showing off some nifty stuff with DHTML. Doesn't look like Google was at all serious about actually using it as theri new interface. They've long maintaned a very simple, clean, compatible interface and this would break from that.

    But ya, neat though it is, not sure it's front page /. news worthy. However, I'm not one that makes those kind of decisions.

    1. Re:It gets press because by roror · · Score: 1

      "But ya, neat though it is, not sure it's front page /. news worthy. However, I'm not one that makes those kind of decisions."

      Gotta agree. Why is it news worthy? some cool javascript dhtml hack was removed from google site after one day and bravo! The hottest news of the day.

  88. Seriously, you're right. by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    No joke. Ever notice that Java's pluggable L&Fs include a Windows L&F that only works on Windows? No technical reason it can't work with any Java runtime -- but if it did, Microsoft's lawyers would be on Sun in a heartbeat.

    If anything, Apple is even more uptight about this sort of thing.

    Google X was one of those ad-hoc projects that Google encourages its employees to get into. Which results in cool stuff, but also stuff that should have been run by the lawyers first.

    1. Re:Seriously, you're right. by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1
      No joke. Ever notice that Java's pluggable L&Fs include a Windows L&F that only works on Windows? No technical reason it can't work with any Java runtime -- but if it did, Microsoft's lawyers would be on Sun in a heartbeat.

      Nonsense. Why haven't they gone after Wine? I imagine the Windows L&F uses native Windows components, and that's why it isn't available on any platform that doesn't have native Windows components.
    2. Re:Seriously, you're right. by Morosoph · · Score: 1

      I wonder why Apple haven't got onto KDE (screenshot)?

    3. Re:Seriously, you're right. by say · · Score: 1

      I wonder why Apple haven't got onto KDE (screenshot)?

      Because it isn't an official KDE widget, it's a stand-alone project. It would hurt too much for Apple in the public opinion to smack down on a hobbyist programmer with a cool idea.

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    4. Re:Seriously, you're right. by k96822 · · Score: 1

      I agree with PhilHibbs here. Apple seems to have adopted exactly the wrong attitude in a whole bunch of ways. With things like the whole CherryOS fiasco as well, Microsoft has to be laughing. They're actually lookin ROSEY lately.

    5. Re:Seriously, you're right. by fm6 · · Score: 1
      I imagine the Windows L&F uses native Windows components...
      No, it doen't. They tried that approach early on in the AWT libraries, whose Java components relied on "peer components" from the native OS for actual functionality. This led to too many problems with inconsistencies, bugs, and undocumented behaviors. So the Swing library, of which the Pluggable L&F is a part, implements all components without reference to native components.

      (At least, that's the Sun party line. I gather that Eclipse's SWT components do rely on native components. So it's not basically unfeasible.)

      I have to admit that I can't explain why Microsoft has never gone after CodeWeavers for emulating the Windows L&F. Or have they?

    6. Re:Seriously, you're right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > but if it did, Microsoft's lawyers would be on Sun in a heartbeat.

      The top-right window decorations in the "classic" look of windows are right out of NeXTStep. Pixel-for-pixel.

      Anyway, Stardock software sells something called Object Desktop that has a dock that behaves more or less exactly like the one in OSX. Apple hasn't made a peep.

  89. GoogleX good? or bad? by WaldoXX · · Score: 1

    What essentially GoogleX was, for those who missed it yesterday, were icons that changed when you pointed your mouse over them. You cant copyright that. My guess is that Google dosnt want apple-google copycat controversy. Google wants a clean and nice image.

  90. Local Mirror by burns210 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Hope this isn't redundant, but here is a (my) server that you can /. for a little while.

    Be Gentle

    1. Re:Local Mirror by Eminence · · Score: 1

      Hey, why did you take down the zip of the files?

  91. ScreenShot of GoogleX by WaldoXX · · Score: 2, Informative

    GoogleX screenie from yesterday. Icons grow when your mouse hovers above. Looks like it could be done with only CSS extensions... but i digress. Take it easy on my server /. haha http://hoteats.net/googlex.jpg

  92. GOLD STAR! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to have babies with you.

  93. I'd say: "Not really!" by lurch_mojoff · · Score: 1

    Actually admitting GoogleX' look and feel is inspired by Mac OS X should have saved their @$$es. By doing so, noone (including Apple) can accuse them of "borowing" the look and feel of OS X and passing it off as their own invention.
    If this copy (http://dinkdoink.com/me/googlex/) is identical to the original page, I think Apple missed a free ad on Google(note the text on the bottom of the page - there is a link to Apple's OS X page). Or maybe this is excatly the reason Google took it off?!

  94. Screenshot website says by worf_mo · · Score: 1

    There is a problem with the database that is preventing the site from working.

    An email has been sent to the administrator notifying them of the problem. Please try again later.


    I expect their mailserver to issue a similar message soon.

    1. Re:Screenshot website says by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Who knew that 1 Gig of mail storage wouldn't be enough? =)

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  95. Wow, who do we hate here? by DesScorp · · Score: 1

    Google and Apple are two companies that can do no wrong in the eyes of Slashdotters; so it's gonna be miiiiighty interesting to see how they manage to support/condemn them at the same time. It'll be fun to see who lines up on one side.

    Consider me in Google's corner on this one. And yes, I'm assuming Steve Jobs woke up today and went "I think I'll sue Google. Tribute? HAH! They'll see tribute. Our lawyers will make them PAY! Tribute like 'pay us or get your capital sacked!' ".

    Ahh, that Steve Jobs. Not just running a corporation, but changing the world too.

    *Put's armor on*

    Ok, come on, Apple slaves...do your worst!

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    1. Re:Wow, who do we hate here? by thesixthreplicant · · Score: 1

      and of course if you're wrong then you'll admit it because you seem like a big man. another way to look at it is that there are a diverse group of people here with different, and hell, even conflicting viewpoints but maybe thats not black-and-white enough for you (I'm taking a big leap here and guessing you must be an american, hell, i'll dip my dick in the vice and even say you're a red state american too). You never thought that maybe the google fanboys and the apple fanboys might be two different sets of people (with some intersection). But I logic can only go so far.

    2. Re:Wow, who do we hate here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google and Apple are both evil.

      I can't take sides with either, it's just funny that they are cat fighting. Personally I wish they'd slit each others juggulars and be done with it.

  96. What if he was RIGHT to jump to conclusions? by DesScorp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And should it become known that Apple WAS responsible for this, will you then apologize and say "yup, he was right, Apple does suck for doing this?".

    As you yourself noted, Apple has now accumulated a reputation for "suing everone in sight"; isn't that reputation their own fault? And aren't people justified somewhat in suspecting Apple to be at fault here, BECAUSE of that litigious reputation of theirs?

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    1. Re:What if he was RIGHT to jump to conclusions? by Thu25245 · · Score: 1

      If Apple did sue (or more likely, threatened legal action until Google gave in) then I'll appologize. In fact, I appologize now, just in case that's what happened. We may never know for sure. This in no way threatened Apple's business. I hope that even Apple's overzealous lawyers realize that. Let me also go on record as saying that I hope Apple gets its ass handed to it when the rumor sites appeal their free speech case.

  97. Dock abuse? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    I've got 67 apps in my dock, which I've also located vertically on the right. Magnification actually is helpful for the way I work. OTOH, I've got the genie effect turned off.

    My take on GoogleX was similar to yours, though. It was cool as an homage, but does it add anything functional? Or is it just eye candy?

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    1. Re:Dock abuse? by northcat · · Score: 1

      Or is it just eye candy?

      Like OS X? You just said that magnification is turned on your OS X installation but you're saying it's bad on Google.

    2. Re:Dock abuse? by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Except that where the Google toolbar has seven icons, he has 67. That means that for them to all fit on the screen, they must be really tiny. Zooming as the mouse passes over them would make it easy to see what the application is and which one will be activated with a mouse click.

  98. Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The images on this page only enlarge when the mouse is actually on them. One of the things that makes the OSX dock look so fluid is that the closer the mouse is to an icon, the larger the icon is. It gives a fluid "wave" effect that isn't present here.

  99. I still prefer this one... by front · · Score: 1
  100. What's all the fuss about? by The+Dodger · · Score: 1
    This looks to me like simple onmouseovers, using animated gifs to make it look like the icons are "zooming"?

    Why the hell is this a story?

    Especially when there's a far more interesting piece of tech-related news this morning?


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  101. Sides? Support/condemn? Apple slaves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A bit melodramatic, I think. It's a themed webpage, not the moral compass of the internet. Get over it.

  102. Hello? Wild speculations? by Kirth · · Score: 1

    Google has a long history of putting up special Logos for Holidays and special events. This is most probably one of them.

    Though they are a bit early this time: "Mac OS X was released on March 24th, 2001".

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  103. Where to find google x now! by ultramkancool · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.iamcannabian.com/googlex/ has it! it even has a gmail link check it out!

  104. It's actually kind of cute by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think a lot of bad ideas are actually good ideas made to do things they aren't suited for. Rollerskates are a great idea for moving from one end of the neighborhood to another, but pain if what you're spending all your time going up and down the staircase from the first floor to the fifth.

    The dock is a great idea for a launcher for a small, fixed handful of applications. It makes efficient use of space, it gives feedback about what you are about to do (when you click, it's the big one that be launched). I can imagine how well the original demos went. It's all the other stuff the dock is forced to do, like tell you about the state of your session, that are a bad idea.

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  105. Cars is NOT useable by Sebastian+Jansson · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry but I don't like wasting fuel and money, Going somewhere by bike is much better, I can get to work by bike in the same time it takes to get the car one block in those traffic jams.

    Well, just as my argument doesn't hold up, if not else, just by the fact that millions of people use the car every day to get to their work makes it apparent that it has some uses, your argument doesn't hold up.

    Apparently people did find that feature useful or ingteresting. It spread across blogs and friends quite fast, and it's popularity may even be the reason it got taken down.
    What you think is useable and interesting doesn't neccescarily equal to what other people do.

    But then, whining about the amount of uninteresting google-news are about as a sure way of getting modded up as flaming apple is to get modded down. :)

  106. Read the fucking article, you idiots by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    Nowhere is it ever mentioned that Apple had anything to do with it. I hate Apple, so why am I the one standing up for them?

  107. if you ask me by kwoff · · Score: 1

    If you ask me, they removed it out of fear of getting slashdotted.

  108. They deserved it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Roses are red. Violets are blue. OS X rocks. Homage to you," the message said.

    The page deserved to be taken down just for that comment

  109. .. I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is cool looking and all, but it's very simple javascript. I like Google as well, but come on guys. This company can crap in a bag and /. readers all over the world will rejoice.

  110. Mirror with gmail link by mathmatt · · Score: 1

    Here's a working mirror with a gmail link: GoogleX

    If (you.BreakIt()){you.AddBadLuck(7)}

    1. Re:Mirror with gmail link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could someone make a version that includes something similar to their auto-complete thing?

  111. KDE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a similar feature like this being a part of KDE almost 3 years ago. I am not really a Mac person /* Duck */ so I don't know when OS X was released..

  112. Wrong department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This belong in the 'News no one could care less about' department.

  113. Still on Google blog by Matt+Clare · · Score: 1

    Check it out: http://www.google.com/googleblog/2005/03/google-go es-x.html

    I found the site earlier yesterday, but when I read the Google Blog last night the link was dead.

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  114. Ironically by saddino · · Score: 1

    Google has never advertised openings for Mac OS X developers. Their Engineering listings contain specific openings for Windows and Senior Windows Developers.

    Interestingly, for a company willing to advertise an "homage" to OS X, they don't seem to be in a hurry to hire developers for any Mac OS X hosted client-side solutions (Google Toolbar, Desktop Search).

  115. Re:I'd love to be a large company in the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trapping an angry mob heading for you in an infinite loop. Very clever! Apple yet again leading the industry in inovation.

  116. Roll your own by Donny+Smith · · Score: 2, Funny

    As there's cache of the images, anyone with a Web server could run this as their homepage at http://127.0.0.1/

    Another thought: the icons could be recycled and used for ObjectDock (http://www.stardock.com/products/objectdock/) if only the goddamned thing wouldn't crash Explorer.exe so much...

  117. Impossible! by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

    Steve doesn't drink coffee.

  118. You're misunderstanding this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of it like source code -> compiled code. He still has the source code, this is the compiled version.

    There are a number of software conversion packages which strip out uneeded whitespace, comments, reduce the length of variable names down to 1-2 letters, etc, and then cache the results and serve those up instead of the original source. a 40-50% reduction (or more) in number of bytes used; while in no way affecting the ability of the browser to render the contents. And if (as google does) you then use http compression on the content, you can reduce the bandwidth usage for a given file even more.

    All without inconveniencing the developer or his coworkers in the least... they still do all their work from the original, clean, well-documented version with descriptive variable names

    1. Re:You're misunderstanding this... by danila · · Score: 1

      http compression would not help much for obvious reasons.

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  119. Don't Ask Tog by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

    If everyone had only 6-10 apps in their dock then yes, labels would be better than icons.

    I currently have 37 icons in my dock and it's only 10AM. by noon I will probably have 40-50. I have a 23" Cinema Display and could theoretically load up my dock with 115 icons with little decline in actual usability. Text would all start to look the same very quickly.

    There is also a difference between usability and learnability (i'm not sure if that is a real word, if not you heard it here first).
    It takes some time to learn how to use the OSX dock. But after using it for a while and getting familiar with the placement of icons. It BECOMES very usable. Think about when you are in the supermarket and you are looking down the isles. You don't have to read every package label. You can recognize your favorite cereal box from clear across the store because our brains are great at pattern recognition. The OSX dock plays on this strength.

  120. What's up, docks? by infinite+jester · · Score: 1
    A few others have mentioned examples of their own docks, so I guess I should do likewise. (This is off-topic, perhaps, because I didn't use DHTML - I used Flash.)

    Here's an early attempt I did a couple of years ago for my very first Flash site. The icons magnify when scrubbing through them, but the dock doesn't grow dynamically when it's moused over (although it does make noise).

    Here's a much more robust version that I did last week. There's a lot of functionality that's not being exploited in this version, for design reasons. For example, it can handle drop shadows which get blurrier and move further away from the magnified icon, so it looks more realistically like it's lifting off the page. Also, I can make my dock work just like the now-defunct Google dock just by changing a few variables.

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  121. Genie effect is bad UI design by whyde · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The "genie effect" is bad UI design because it makes the "clickable hotspot" for doing something change shape/size and move depending on how you found it.

    For instance: on the toolbar, if you start from the left side, and mouse over the growing/shrinking icons, then move *straight up* off the toolbar, you will have left a certain large icon. When it shrinks, you may no longer be directly above that same icon any more, so if you move *straight down* again, you'll land on a different icon.

    This is precisely why Apple's "stoplight" maximize/minimize/close buttons appear on the upper-left side of the window title-bar, so if the window resizes while you're getting ready to click one of them, they don't move out from under your feet.

    Countelss Windows applications have done this to me, where a dialog box auto-resizes just enough to place the close button where the minimize button used to be. Even Nero used to replace a "Next>" button with a "Close" button in the same spot in their interface, just to make things dicey.

    Sure, it's fancy eye-candy, but having deterministic GUI clickable elements I believe is more important.

    1. Re:Genie effect is bad UI design by snorklewacker · · Score: 1

      Sure, it's fancy eye-candy, but having deterministic GUI clickable elements I believe is more important.

      No kidding. I installed Stardock's ObjectDock, which gives you the dock for Windows. I found the effect intensely annoying, and decided I'd much rather use the taskbar and the tray. Nothing to do with determinism and such, just that the zoom effect caused so much visual clutter it was distracting. I could see it being useful for something as tiny as the tray or a really cluttered taskbar, but not for most tasks.

      This is precisely why Apple's "stoplight" maximize/minimize/close buttons appear on the upper-left side of the window title-bar, so if the window resizes while you're getting ready to click one of them, they don't move out from under your feet.

      How often have you seen windows spontaneously resize themselves? I've never seen a dialog automatically resize itself.

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    2. Re:Genie effect is bad UI design by whyde · · Score: 1
      I've never seen a dialog automatically resize itself.


      I have an application, Secure Global Desktop (formerly Tarantella), which resizes a "connection status" dialog and shrinks-to-fit the window around the size of the text being displayed. When it changes from one message to another, the width of the window gets smaller just enough to make the "X" close button sit where the "_" minimize button used to be.

      But any window which changes its own size without and explicit request to do so would suffer the same "who moved my cheese" problem, since the window controls are on the edge of the window that will be moving.
  122. What I find interesting... by Aldric · · Score: 1
    Is how much damage Apple have done to themselves with that single lawsuit. The previously very Apple-friendly slashdot now regularly has anti-Apple jokes and outright dislike from a lot of posters (myself included).

    Since all that has kept and will keep Apple going against cheap PC hardware and Windows (and increasingly Linux) is their public relations I doubt it was worth it. Microsoft can keep going because the average Joe knows only Windows. Apple relies on geeks and professionals for their business - and geeks and professionals tend to read sites like slashdot which expose the litigation-happy Apple.

  123. Probably already said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Here's the code for the page, I was having fun parsing it out into something I could read...
    <html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><title>Google</title><style><!--
    b ody,td,a,p,.h{font-family:arial,sans-serif} .h{font-size:20px} .q{color:#00c}
    --></style><script type="text/javascript">
    k=document;v=Date;x=false ;z=Array;af=Math.floor;ag=RegExp;b=new z(12);
    s=new z("null","web","images","groups","news","froogle", "local","scholar","video","maps","labs","more");aa =new z(11);ab=10;t=0;u=0;n=0;o=new v();h=5;m=385;
    c=0;w=x;var title;var firstHoverOccurred=x;m=385;p=0;
    function d(ac){
    c=ac;o=new v();
    setTimeout("gidle()",20);
    }
    function e(ac){
    c=0;
    w=x;
    o=new v();
    setTimeout("gidle()",20);
    }
    function ae(){
    for(var j=1;
    j<b.length;
    j++){b[j]=35
    }
    title=k.getElementById('imageTitle');
    for(i=0 ;i<b.length;i++){
    aa[i]=new Image();
    aa[i].src=s[i+1]+".gif"
    }
    setTimeout("gidle()",20);}
    function gidle(){
    var l=0;
    for(var i=1;i<b.length;i++){
    var imagename="image"+i;
    var imageElem=k.getElementById(imagename);
    if(c!=i){if(b[i]>35){b[i]-=h;
    if(b[i]<=35){b[i]=35;
    imageElem.src=s[i]+"-sm.gif"
    }
    imageElem.width=b[i];
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  124. Stardock... by suitepotato · · Score: 1

    ...has had jump-up icon things like this called "zoomers" for a long while with Object Desktop on Windows. I've used them and if Apple orders them to stop making them availible, you can bet they're going to be torrented. I think it is time for massive rabid peaceful noncompliance via P2P with Apple and other corporations who continue to abuse the word "intellectual" in the phrase "intellectual property" never mind the IP laws.

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  125. Re:I'd love to be a large company in the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free advise: stop riding Steve Job's jock.

  126. X Files Vanish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were killed for knowing too much.

    The truth is out there...

  127. Hmm...google suggest by mathmatt · · Score: 1

    The source for Google Suggest does not work locally, so I believe it can only be run from google's server. It is basically google.com with the following tacked on to the url: webhp?complete=1&hl=en

    Anyone have any idea of how this works?

  128. Re:I'd love to be a large company in the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Jobs: This must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  129. nice site by DeathByDuke · · Score: 0

    'There is a problem with the database that is preventing the site from working.'

    'An email has been sent to the administrator notifying them of the problem. Please try again later.'

    I bet the email simply says 'fucking slashdot...'

  130. Apple is worse than MS ever was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am so sick of all you apple fan boys. Apple innovates, but they have a small niche of the market at best. True, they come out with a great product, but it is priced high. It is by no means a "good deal" - and don't sell me anything about the 256 meg Mac Mini with no screen, mouse, or keyboard at $499. I can get a Dell for the same price that can outperform that shoebox and is shipped with a 15 inch flat screen monitor for the same price.

    Apple is suing their own fans and scaring everyone with lawsuits. But let's look at Apple for a minute. They hold all of their cards to their chest. Everyone bitches about M$, but where are all of the other OS's for Apple? Where are all of the options for Macs? Who the hell wants to hack OS X? Hackers generally go to where the public is going. They attack the admittedly-poorly-coded IE6 now because it is the most widely used browser. They will attack Firefox as it gets more popular. No one hacks OS X or "Tiger" or whatever the hell it is called because the masses don't use it.

    It seems to me that Apple is the company that has the real monopoly. No one will call them out for their practices because most Mac users are in love with their PC's (oh, I forgot, their Macs). Call me whatever you want, but I will stick with M$ and the Intel/AMD crowd. I don't have to deal with a bunch of fanboys that can't hanlde any criticism of Apple and Steve Jobs.

  131. Eureka! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speculation (Score:5, Informative)

    At last, the perfect one-line description of Slashdot with none of that "news for nerds" or "stuff that matters" nonsense.

  132. Where? by jc42 · · Score: 1

    Google is preinstalled in Safari and Firefox!

    Y'know, I keep seeing comments like this, but I don't see it in my safari or firefox windows. I opened a clean window for each and poked around, and nowhere could I find a mention of google other than in the history list. I looked through the menus, and the only references to google were in the lists of open windows. I a dug through Preferences, and found no mention of google anywhere.

    So where is google "preinstalled" in these browsers?

    Am I missing something?

    (Quite likely; browsers are complex beasts, and most of their features are undocumented. ;-)

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    1. Re:Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So where is google "preinstalled" in these browsers?

      Type something into the location bar that's not an address. Press enter.

    2. Re:Where? by Elminst · · Score: 1

      Uhhh... try that lovely default Search box in the upper right corner. The one that defaults to that lovely blue G for GOOGLE...

      Unless it's different on Macs (which i assume you're using since you mention safari), that search box has been in every version of Firefox, and it always defaults to Google.

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    3. Re:Where? by jc42 · · Score: 1

      OK; I tried that. I emptied the location bar, typed in "foo" (without the quote", and hit Return.
      The little wheel spun briefly, and it toook me to www.foofighter.com. No sign of google anywhere.

      What am I doing wrong? Is there some shortcut to get google?

      This was with firefox. With a new safari window, entering "foo" took me to www.fool.com.

      I think what's happening in both cases is that it chose the first thing in the history list that started with "foo". Whatever; neither browser called google.

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    4. Re:Where? by jc42 · · Score: 1

      try that lovely default Search box in the upper right corner.

      What\'s that? The very upper-right corner is of course in the title bar. With firefox, what's there is the little oval thingy that disables/enables the various icon bars. With safari, there's nothing at all at the right end of the title bar. Don't know why they're different.

      Perhaps you mean the upper-right not including the title bar. With both firefox and safari, the upper-rightmost thing there is the right end of the location bar. Firefox has a little triangle symbol that invokes the history popup; safari has nothing at the right end of the location bar.

      So what's this about a lovely blue G? I don't see anything that fits that description. How might I get it?

      Of course, I'd rather not have it take space from the location bar, which is too short as it it. Can I somehow get a blue G somewhere else? In the title bar, maybe, which is wasted screen space? Or in the firefox PrefBar? I don't see it listed in the PrefBar options.

      I suspect that both firefox and safari are showing you something different than they're showing me.

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    5. Re:Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Safari, check your view menu
      There should be Address bar ticked
      And somewhere in the list is Google Search. Yours probably isn't checked.
      Mine came checked and I haven't done any modifications to Safari since I got my computer except to show the status bar

    6. Re:Where? by Technostalgia · · Score: 1
      IIRC, Firefox uses Google's "I'm Feeling Lucky" feature in that situation.

      Don't know why you're not getting the search box cos it's been there in every version of Firefox I've ever used - see screenshot.

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  133. Cached Mirror http://ablaze.fr/GoogleX.htm by jmfrance · · Score: 1

    Hi,

    I mirrored Google X for all those who'd like to try it out or just keep on using it.

    http://ablaze.fr/GoogleX.htm

    Enjoy !

    Ablaze.fr

  134. If you have read this far, you may enjoy by no+such+nick+name · · Score: 1

    the funny write-up John Paczkowski gave this story in the good morning silicon valley.com.

    NOTE: lots of good, if not absolutely fresh content show up on GMSV, its my favorite alternative to /. but beware...if you mention it as a source of a story submission, /. will quash it.

  135. Another mirror: http://www.yipiyo.com by been_jamin · · Score: 1

    Another mirror can be found at http://www.yipiyo.com

  136. French Google X Mirror by evilpig · · Score: 1

    I made a FRENCH Google X mirror.. http://evilpig.xtrhost.com/googlex/french.html

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