"The better way is to explain or display negative examples in a positive way. This way we can educate people on what is good and what is bad."
Umm that's the job of the parents not the T.V. Unless of course you think we should be learning morality from big business?
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That would depend on the provider, my provider doensn't do that and neither do any of my friends providers although I guess maybe some do. Personally I couldn't imagine having to go back to 640/128.
So your saying the alternative Windows doesn't run like shit once a heavy disk task starts? That's sure not my experience. I just posted this in another thread, but once you start any heavy disk task under Windows you an forget about doing anything else with the OS as you get to watch everything slow to a crawl.
Try out this newest kernel or the preempt patches. ALso like someone else said make sure you have the right hard drive flags set. After making sure your hdparm setting are correct tune ext3 as well.
to change ext3
add data=writeback to the mount points you want to be writeback not data=ordered in fstab mkinitrd/boot/initrd-kernalversion.img kernelversion (yes this is odd but its the way until you hard code ext3 into the kernel) update grub if you used a different name to point to correct.img, usually you don't have to do this though
My experience with RH 8.0 after upgrading to 2.4.20, making sure hdparm was correct, and change the ext3 journal type improved dramitically.
"Ssssh, dont tell anybody, it might burst there bubble, and distract them from sliming other OSes that solved this junk years ago"
Then why does windows lock up tight whenever you need to delete a large file? Windows falls to pieces whenever your doing anything with high IO. Feel free to lower the priority of the high IO process because that's the only way you'll even be able to open Notepad once a high IO task starts in Windows 2k/XP. You really think explorer isn't a crippled piece of shit? Windows doesn't do anything that could be called multitaking once you have a process hogger. At least with linux there are patches which can make it useable under the most severe loads.
"but I still have never gotten moderation rights, so I assume I'm still $rtbl'ed."
Don't you only get moderation points once around and that's it? That's all I got IIRC. Of course I did happen to mod down Alan Cox who was posting offtopic so I guess maybe if there is such as thing as multiple turns at moderation perhaps I got banned as well...
Maybe because Microsoft is an illegal monopoly who has broken law after law and found guilty in the court for it? Maybe because Red Hat has proven time and time again that they are a standup company and have actually earned some respect because of that, something Microsoft can never do.
First off there is no evidence Red Hat has done anything wrong here yet. Second even if they have why is it some idiot always inocorrectly brings in Microsoft?
I remember when Apple announced they were making a web browser. People like the one above were questioning why its O.K. for Apple to bundle a browser and NOT Microsoft. Insert company X for anything and Insert product,license etc X and some moron trys to equate it with the lies and broken laws that Microsoft has left in its wake.
Nothing is like Microsoft. Nobody else has a 95% market share of the desktop market which is maintained by illegal actions. No other company has even close to the track record of Microsoft. So stop trying to compare companies to Microsoft when no one else can ever live up to the immoral actions of Microsoft.
So what? You can also download pdf995 for free as well. The point is this capability is by Default, something Word lacks and realistically the vast majority of users are not going to jump through hoops like you did.
Its a notable feature that users on both windows and linux will find very accessible and valuable.
A funny thing I've found about Winrar. I've found that for the most part for regular legit downloads rar is a no show, ie no one uses it. In fact I'm not really sure I've ever downloaded anything legal that is compressed with rar by default.
Ironically the only place rar files are really widely used is for cracking groups and warez on places like usenet. Rar is really useful to them because of its ability to join and recover multiple compressed files in a set.
I'm sure there are rar users like yourself who think the closed format is great or just happen to like the tool, but like I said for the most part its a tool used in the warez trade. Not that I care, but that's just the ONLY place where rar files show up in any quanity.
Jesus Chr*st that is NOT captialism. MS being an monopoly CANNOT sell it's products for $1 each in order to keep competitors from entering its market. That is illegal plain and simple.
Your vision of what captialism is is whacked. The worst thing that can happen in a capitialist market is one company gaining complete control. Sorry but being a strong advocate of capitialism myself I see this as among the worst things any company could do to maintain a monopoly.
That would imply that schools need Internet access more than additional teachers. NOT!
So basically I'll have to pay a higher bill and children instead of getting a better education and learning the fundamentals will get a computer thrown in their face.
Sorry but kids don't need computers as much as they need traditional education.
Word does nothing but get into the way of what your doing. Want to change the spacing on a few lines? Word reformats everything. Now every line below what you just typed trys to be just like the couple of lines you have custom spacing on.
I fucking hate word for anything but the most generic text functions. Word Perfect simply gets out of the way and let's you do whatever you want without having to deal with it guessing wrong about every little freaking thing you doing.
Every seen how legal documents are indented and how they make motions etc look? Image Ever wonder why Wordperfect has such a huge following at law firms? The fact that law firms are conservative is NOT the answer. Sure you can setup a template or macro, but if you ever color outside the lines Word crumbles.
I know some people are able to write books, thesis's etc on Word, but that's only after you learn to workaround all of Word's annoying behaviors. Word may have the monopoly but ease of use wise it doesn't come close to Wordperfect.
Yea you'll need the money to buy UT2005, UT2006, and UT2007. I'm waiting UT2008 though, that's the one where they will finally make something that doesn't play like Quake III with eyecandy and actually qualifies as an upgrade over the original UT.
How's that? One of the companies makes the software and hopes to keep you from learning of its security problems while the other one thrives on PR that viruses are everywhere and you need to keep buying version after version of their antivirus software.
Let's be realistic, they both have conflicts of interest here and the antivirus side of the coin is just as dirty as the MS side. You think Symantec ever wants MS to write secure software? You think they don't have a vested interest in publishing security alerts about viruses so that you keep paying for AV defs?
Got it on 9min6secs, now I'm uploading at ~50-69KB although due to my ISP's stupid doctrine that ANY p2p is illegal I won't be able to let it run for a long time.
I really really like how articles with downloads are starting to use Bittorrent. It's the simply the best system going.
Its not a troll its the truth. Who uses more than ssh (which forwards X11 if you actually have a gui tool on the server you need) to admin a linux server?
You certainly don't need a "mature interface" to admin a server like the parent mentioned. Drool over your IBook, but not because it does a better job at "admining" linux servers than any linux box would do.
I guess whoever modded me down doesn't know anything about adming linux boxes.
Basically your someone who actually wants to learn everything about how your particular distro works. This isn't applying to more and more linux users and certainly doesn't apply to the vast majority of Windows users.
Distros like Gentoo are a throwback and really are more useful as learning tools as opposed to useful OS's for normal people.
I of course have nothing against something like Gentoo let alone Slackware or Debian, but truthfully their way of doing things isn't the future of modern computing.
The future of computing is thankfully not having to worry about compiling kernels and screwing with drivers. The future is a OS that ANYONE can sit down at and be productive right away. Maybe tweakers will find that boring, but after security ease of use will continue to be the most important aspect to any OS.
Knowing how to build an engine and car from raw materials is a nice novelty for engineers, actually hoping in and driving it without having to have a PHD is the important part.
Like I said I have nothing against Gentoo, but spending all your time learning how an OS works is a fairly useless endevor for anyone but admins. Sure you need to know some things, but not to the extent which Gentoo requires. When OS's are mature enough enough to be secure by default, moron proof, and also efficient by default, there simply won't be any need for something like Gentoo.
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"assholes who keep saying "
That's nice. Fuck you too dipshit.
Your the one that needs to "grow up". I've been using linux since Red Hat 5.0 and have converted tons of "newbies" to linux.
I've been answering the questions of people who are new to linux for five years now so don't try and give me any crap about either my linux skills or about my attempts to make linux usable. I've been then testing and making suggestions on how to make linux and the many apps that run on it more usable for a long time now.
My observations are about who actually uses linux, not who "should" be allowed to use linux like your trying to imply. And my point about the average linux user is correct. They ARE advanced for the most part and usually won't be running 800x600.
"Maybe if you started to worry about helping to make systems more usable for other people you wouldn't have to keep blaming it's failings on others."
Maybe if you if you had a clue about me before flaming you wouldn't look like such an idiot.
"certainly not designed with normal people (i.e. those still operating on 800x600, like my parents only until a few monthes ago) in mind."
Yea because so many normal people like parents are using linux....
Linux is an OS for technically advanced users. Users who wouldn't be running 800x600 in the first place. Look I'm all for linux expanding its user base, but let's be realistic about who is actually using linux as a desktop these days. The thing that is holding linux back is an illegal monopoly, lack of popular 3rd party apps(MS, Adobe, Intuit etc), and lack of both OEM sytem builder and ISV's who want to push linux as a desktop. It's not the fact that it does't cater to the minority of people who want to use linux but only run 800x600.
Ever heard of Esmith? http://www.e-smith.org/ Mandrake and Red Hat will work fine as well. Or I guess you could buy a Netwinder www.netwinder.net which really is plug and play.
"If Linux is going to break into home of joe average that might very well be the way."
Well realistically that's really not likely to happen. Joe average doesn't go around setting up servers. Of course no offense, but I'm not really sure what your initial point was;) Are you saying the average home user needs Application Layer Packet Shaping or that there are no easy to setup linux "server distros"? I guess maybe you meant both, but considering most homes aren't even running the easy to use linux servers out there now the availability of ALPS probably won't change that.
For businesses it might spur more linux adoption though.
"DRM is a perfect solution for an imperfect world - A solution that ignores the fact that people are, by our very nature, unlikely to stick exactly to rules"
Actually things like DRM and product activation are not solutions, they are problems. There first and foremost job is the tell the user "HEY, YOUR A CRIMINAL AND CAN'T BE TRUSTED".
If funny because these companies all got along fine for years now without these types of restrictions even though it has always been possible to freely copy anything for the past 30 years.
Honest people will always pay for software and dishonest people will always warez it. Here's a clue as well. Most of the time the people who "illegally" copy things would NOT have paid for the same product anyway. Your just pissing off your real paying customers.
DRM and product activation do nothing but treat us like criminals while not stopping illegal copying. The world would be a much better place without them.
"These customers are going to pay more attention to failure rates than IDE customers, who tend to be end users. "
So your saying the 90% of hard drive market which uses IDE in its PC's doesn't pay attention to the failure rates? Considering the vast majority of corporate and consumer desktops run IDE I find that highly improbable. I wouldn't call that market end users, I would call that market Users period.
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"The better way is to explain or display negative examples in a positive way. This way we can educate people on what is good and what is bad."
Umm that's the job of the parents not the T.V. Unless of course you think we should be learning morality from big business?
That would depend on the provider, my provider doensn't do that and neither do any of my friends providers although I guess maybe some do. Personally I couldn't imagine having to go back to 640/128.
.5 price thank you.
I'll take my 10x speed and
So your saying the alternative Windows doesn't run like shit once a heavy disk task starts? That's sure not my experience. I just posted this in another thread, but once you start any heavy disk task under Windows you an forget about doing anything else with the OS as you get to watch everything slow to a crawl.
/boot/initrd-kernalversion.img kernelversion (yes this is odd but its the way until you hard code ext3 into the kernel) .img, usually you don't have to do this though
Try out this newest kernel or the preempt patches. ALso like someone else said make sure you have the right hard drive flags set. After making sure your hdparm setting are correct tune ext3 as well.
to change ext3
add data=writeback to the mount points you want to be writeback not data=ordered in fstab
mkinitrd
update grub if you used a different name to point to correct
My experience with RH 8.0 after upgrading to 2.4.20, making sure hdparm was correct, and change the ext3 journal type improved dramitically.
"Ssssh, dont tell anybody, it might burst there bubble, and distract them from sliming other OSes that solved this junk years ago"
Then why does windows lock up tight whenever you need to delete a large file? Windows falls to pieces whenever your doing anything with high IO. Feel free to lower the priority of the high IO process because that's the only way you'll even be able to open Notepad once a high IO task starts in Windows 2k/XP. You really think explorer isn't a crippled piece of shit? Windows doesn't do anything that could be called multitaking once you have a process hogger. At least with linux there are patches which can make it useable under the most severe loads.
Nice try though.
"but I still have never gotten moderation rights, so I assume I'm still $rtbl'ed."
Don't you only get moderation points once around and that's it? That's all I got IIRC. Of course I did happen to mod down Alan Cox who was posting offtopic so I guess maybe if there is such as thing as multiple turns at moderation perhaps I got banned as well...
Maybe because Microsoft is an illegal monopoly who has broken law after law and found guilty in the court for it? Maybe because Red Hat has proven time and time again that they are a standup company and have actually earned some respect because of that, something Microsoft can never do.
First off there is no evidence Red Hat has done anything wrong here yet. Second even if they have why is it some idiot always inocorrectly brings in Microsoft?
I remember when Apple announced they were making a web browser. People like the one above were questioning why its O.K. for Apple to bundle a browser and NOT Microsoft. Insert company X for anything and Insert product,license etc X and some moron trys to equate it with the lies and broken laws that Microsoft has left in its wake.
Nothing is like Microsoft. Nobody else has a 95% market share of the desktop market which is maintained by illegal actions. No other company has even close to the track record of Microsoft. So stop trying to compare companies to Microsoft when no one else can ever live up to the immoral actions of Microsoft.
So what? You can also download pdf995 for free as well. The point is this capability is by Default, something Word lacks and realistically the vast majority of users are not going to jump through hoops like you did.
Its a notable feature that users on both windows and linux will find very accessible and valuable.
A funny thing I've found about Winrar. I've found that for the most part for regular legit downloads rar is a no show, ie no one uses it. In fact I'm not really sure I've ever downloaded anything legal that is compressed with rar by default.
Ironically the only place rar files are really widely used is for cracking groups and warez on places like usenet. Rar is really useful to them because of its ability to join and recover multiple compressed files in a set.
I'm sure there are rar users like yourself who think the closed format is great or just happen to like the tool, but like I said for the most part its a tool used in the warez trade. Not that I care, but that's just the ONLY place where rar files show up in any quanity.
Jesus Chr*st that is NOT captialism. MS being an monopoly CANNOT sell it's products for $1 each in order to keep competitors from entering its market. That is illegal plain and simple.
Your vision of what captialism is is whacked. The worst thing that can happen in a capitialist market is one company gaining complete control. Sorry but being a strong advocate of capitialism myself I see this as among the worst things any company could do to maintain a monopoly.
That would imply that schools need Internet access more than additional teachers. NOT!
So basically I'll have to pay a higher bill and children instead of getting a better education and learning the fundamentals will get a computer thrown in their face.
Sorry but kids don't need computers as much as they need traditional education.
Word does nothing but get into the way of what your doing. Want to change the spacing on a few lines? Word reformats everything. Now every line below what you just typed trys to be just like the couple of lines you have custom spacing on.
I fucking hate word for anything but the most generic text functions. Word Perfect simply gets out of the way and let's you do whatever you want without having to deal with it guessing wrong about every little freaking thing you doing.
Every seen how legal documents are indented and how they make motions etc look? Image Ever wonder why Wordperfect has such a huge following at law firms? The fact that law firms are conservative is NOT the answer. Sure you can setup a template or macro, but if you ever color outside the lines Word crumbles.
I know some people are able to write books, thesis's etc on Word, but that's only after you learn to workaround all of Word's annoying behaviors. Word may have the monopoly but ease of use wise it doesn't come close to Wordperfect.
Yea you'll need the money to buy UT2005, UT2006, and UT2007. I'm waiting UT2008 though, that's the one where they will finally make something that doesn't play like Quake III with eyecandy and actually qualifies as an upgrade over the original UT.
How's that? One of the companies makes the software and hopes to keep you from learning of its security problems while the other one thrives on PR that viruses are everywhere and you need to keep buying version after version of their antivirus software.
Let's be realistic, they both have conflicts of interest here and the antivirus side of the coin is just as dirty as the MS side. You think Symantec ever wants MS to write secure software? You think they don't have a vested interest in publishing security alerts about viruses so that you keep paying for AV defs?
Got it on 9min6secs, now I'm uploading at ~50-69KB although due to my ISP's stupid doctrine that ANY p2p is illegal I won't be able to let it run for a long time.
I really really like how articles with downloads are starting to use Bittorrent. It's the simply the best system going.
"You can purchase Stealing the Network from bn.com"
Or from Amazon
Insert secret Slash affilate number here
Screw that, raise the buying power for the rich!
Remember, Fur Coats Trickle Down and the rich who are in line for the biggest cuts needs someone to wash their floors.
Its not a troll its the truth. Who uses more than ssh (which forwards X11 if you actually have a gui tool on the server you need) to admin a linux server?
You certainly don't need a "mature interface" to admin a server like the parent mentioned. Drool over your IBook, but not because it does a better job at "admining" linux servers than any linux box would do.
I guess whoever modded me down doesn't know anything about adming linux boxes.
Natulius is worthless as a file manager.
Yea because you really need more then ssh to admin your linux servers.
Basically your someone who actually wants to learn everything about how your particular distro works. This isn't applying to more and more linux users and certainly doesn't apply to the vast majority of Windows users.
Distros like Gentoo are a throwback and really are more useful as learning tools as opposed to useful OS's for normal people.
I of course have nothing against something like Gentoo let alone Slackware or Debian, but truthfully their way of doing things isn't the future of modern computing.
The future of computing is thankfully not having to worry about compiling kernels and screwing with drivers. The future is a OS that ANYONE can sit down at and be productive right away. Maybe tweakers will find that boring, but after security ease of use will continue to be the most important aspect to any OS.
Knowing how to build an engine and car from raw materials is a nice novelty for engineers, actually hoping in and driving it without having to have a PHD is the important part.
Like I said I have nothing against Gentoo, but spending all your time learning how an OS works is a fairly useless endevor for anyone but admins. Sure you need to know some things, but not to the extent which Gentoo requires. When OS's are mature enough enough to be secure by default, moron proof, and also efficient by default, there simply won't be any need for something like Gentoo.
"assholes who keep saying "
That's nice. Fuck you too dipshit.
Your the one that needs to "grow up". I've been using linux since Red Hat 5.0 and have converted tons of "newbies" to linux.
I've been answering the questions of people who are new to linux for five years now so don't try and give me any crap about either my linux skills or about my attempts to make linux usable. I've been then testing and making suggestions on how to make linux and the many apps that run on it more usable for a long time now.
My observations are about who actually uses linux, not who "should" be allowed to use linux like your trying to imply. And my point about the average linux user is correct. They ARE advanced for the most part and usually won't be running 800x600.
"Maybe if you started to worry about helping to make systems more usable for other people you wouldn't have to keep blaming it's failings on others."
Maybe if you if you had a clue about me before flaming you wouldn't look like such an idiot.
"certainly not designed with normal people (i.e. those still operating on 800x600, like my parents only until a few monthes ago) in mind."
Yea because so many normal people like parents are using linux....
Linux is an OS for technically advanced users. Users who wouldn't be running 800x600 in the first place. Look I'm all for linux expanding its user base, but let's be realistic about who is actually using linux as a desktop these days. The thing that is holding linux back is an illegal monopoly, lack of popular 3rd party apps(MS, Adobe, Intuit etc), and lack of both OEM sytem builder and ISV's who want to push linux as a desktop. It's not the fact that it does't cater to the minority of people who want to use linux but only run 800x600.
Ever heard of Esmith? http://www.e-smith.org/
;) Are you saying the average home user needs Application Layer Packet Shaping or that there are no easy to setup linux "server distros"? I guess maybe you meant both, but considering most homes aren't even running the easy to use linux servers out there now the availability of ALPS probably won't change that.
Mandrake and Red Hat will work fine as well.
Or I guess you could buy a Netwinder www.netwinder.net which really is plug and play.
"If Linux is going to break into home of joe average that might very well be the way."
Well realistically that's really not likely to happen. Joe average doesn't go around setting up servers. Of course no offense, but I'm not really sure what your initial point was
For businesses it might spur more linux adoption though.
"DRM is a perfect solution for an imperfect world - A solution that ignores the fact that people are, by our very nature, unlikely to stick exactly to rules"
Actually things like DRM and product activation are not solutions, they are problems. There first and foremost job is the tell the user "HEY, YOUR A CRIMINAL AND CAN'T BE TRUSTED".
If funny because these companies all got along fine for years now without these types of restrictions even though it has always been possible to freely copy anything for the past 30 years.
Honest people will always pay for software and dishonest people will always warez it. Here's a clue as well. Most of the time the people who "illegally" copy things would NOT have paid for the same product anyway. Your just pissing off your real paying customers.
DRM and product activation do nothing but treat us like criminals while not stopping illegal copying. The world would be a much better place without them.
"These customers are going to pay more attention to failure rates than IDE customers, who tend to be end users. "
So your saying the 90% of hard drive market which uses IDE in its PC's doesn't pay attention to the failure rates? Considering the vast majority of corporate and consumer desktops run IDE I find that highly improbable. I wouldn't call that market end users, I would call that market Users period.