Rubbish. GNOME wipes the floor with OSX? You're mad. KDE comes close, if set up right (i.e. if redhat haven't been anywhere near it), but GNOME????
So true. I'm running KDE on Fedora Core 2 and it is simply a dog (1.2MHz uP). I don't know what RedHat has done to KDE, but the diference between it and KDE on other distros is stark!
However, I have no idea which way to go from here. Buck up and learn to stomach Gnome? Find a distro that is more KDE-centric? Fedora still seems to be the best at supplying recent packages and easy server setup.
Just use pattern passwords:
1) Put both hands on our friend, QWERTY
2) Move fingers into a natural, systematic position
3) Bang out a pattern using all fingers
4) Randomly include the shift key and those keys at the top, including the Back Space;-)
5) Keep hitting some keys even after you've hit Enter; Then hold the Back Space key (optional)
6) "Practice, practice, practice!" so it can be typed very fast
Results?
* I rarely mistype a password
* I don't know my own password
* I couldn't share my password with security unless a keyboard was around
* I type it in so fast, it would take a video recording to spy-capture it (me thinks)
Of course, nothing can help you with key logging:-/
Problem 1: I loaded *everything* (6GB+). And I cannot find 'gcc'! (Even as root.) Why wouldn't gcc be in the normal $PATH? Help?
Problem 2: Sound (AVI 8223 chipset) is broken, for every sound the OS tries to play I get an annoying buzzzzzing sound 'til the file is finished playing. However, have not tried sound in Gnome (probably works).
Problem 3: The mouse touch-pad works, but the "touch-to-click" doeasn't -- and it did for Yarrow.
Problem 4: When I "switch desktop" (to KDE) Gnome *still* defaults for each login. (Have to manually select KDE _every_time_!)
Problem 5: At least for KDE, there are NO screensavers (except to blank the screen). How's that for bias.
Other than that, it looks like it's Yarrow, only somewhat more biased;) I might entertain a different distro; One that would better support KDE. Any suggestions?
Many Atheists really should be called something else (e.g. right-wing-anti-god-folk or just plain Anti-theists) -- thus not giving a bad name to the rest of us Atheists.
A truer definition of the word, "atheist", could then be, "Could care less if there is or is not a God -- so, quit arguing incessantly about it and pass the gravy!".
And if more people subscribed to true atheism, we could talk more about the soccer game and quit killing each other over mosks, synagogues, churches and the almighty Sacred Cow!
Oh, I'm sorry. Was I off-topic? Ok, then I want to know, where is it written Linus is an Atheist? Maybe (especially from his general down-to-earth attitude) he's really an "atheist" -- as registered Atheists are really fanatical "anti-theists".
Not sure about "doesn't like". Your examples sound more like "rapid release" syndrome. Think of how many moving targets other operating systems throw at VARs (answer: very few, with very infrequent releases).
The stability you are seeking may be realized by installing Linux once and leaving it alone for a few years (patches and bug-fixes not withstanding).
For example, we have been running Red Hat 8 for more than a year. Everything just works, including Quake III and The SIMs, natively and QuickBooks, Quicken, MS Office and Adobe products through Win4Lin. On one box, Red Hat 6.2 has been running for about three years.
On most of our systems, though, the very latest Fedora Core 2 is being installed, today and tomorrow. That's because the latest and greatest features are just too appealing!
Not sure they are at each other's throats. Open Source seems to be ok with closed source software. Where the hurt begins is with the fear closed source companies have of Open Source.
Based on fears alone, a lot of FUD is used to "fight fire with fire". It's like a common spousal spat that occurs when one spouse feels threatened by statements the other has made, which were entirely misinterpreted -- but were interpreted as such only because the defensive one has some unfounded fear on the subject.
The attacks fly until the defensive one gets their assurance that their worst fear won't happen.
When the FUD flies, the Open Source community reacts. Naturally.
I used to get beat up a lot in Bolivia and in Chile, when I was in grade school. This happened because I was "American" and they thought we were all just "born knowing how to fight real good" and wanted to learn how to fight from a "natural born killer".
Well, I did learn how to "fight real good", eventually. But I learned from street experience, just like those kids, who first fought me, were trying to do.
Ignorance is rather universal, folks -- big surprise.
Or do you feel it should be the exclusive province of uber-geeks...?
Too often the same applies to Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Come on, admit it. Bet you can't accurately remember how many of your family members and friends you've helped with problems installing hardware on Windows.
You probably don't remember because when it comes to Windows, all's forgiven when things go wrong. It's expected things will go wrong, but that's alright. It's Windows. (I help businesses, every day, with their Windows messes using a sweet, reliable Linux laptop.)
Of course, the reverse expectation is true for Linux. It's expected to be a pain. So when it is a pain, OMG! There you go, just not up to "perfection", yet, is it...
About the only way you're going to get better than Linux or Windows is to have an iron grip on hardware variables and a very high-bar for software standards. So, why aren't there more posts bashing Windows with an Apple?
Let's face it: When it comes to affordable computing, there's a lot of crap out there in the hardware department. It's hardware manufacturers -- not Windows or Linux -- who need to get their act together. That, or peopple need to simply "get it" when it comes to where the real problems are at.
Forks are a healthy thing. When a FOSS project goes bad (e.g. the head of the project looses his/her mind) forks allow the community to escape a bad thing.
If the fork is made for good reason, the world follows. If a fork is just someone's rant-child, the world ignores it and it whithers on th vine. Forking is one way projects evolve. When two branches (resulting from a fork) survive, there's also usually a pretty decent reason.
From the perspective of the CIO, forking should be seen as no more of a risk than a vendor being tossed around by a corporate buyout. It happens, but it shouldn't stop one from buying the tools one needs.
I was happily producing tcl/Tk apps for more than a year, until a new employee came on board. He would pronounce it "tickle". "Tickle [this]" and "Tickle [that]" without so much as an ounce of shame. It bugged me so much! I used to pronouce it "Tee-Cee-El" as much as possible just to see if he'd get the hint and *stop*. I stopped working with tcl just to stay away from the small following he'd developed who all ran around discussing better ways to "tickle" -- or whatever.
I still can't pronounce it "tickle" without feeling like I'm somehow being intimate with everyone in the room. It's all about the mental picture. At least "cute" doesn't conote a bad mental piture. I mean, come on... Have some cooth! What if someone came up with a language called BT or FK or SHT? How would you want people to pronouce those languages in a staff meeting?
So what you're saying is, you missed my point entirely -- and you have trouble recognizing tounge-in-cheek (e.g. "whipper snapper"). You must be rather young (ok, that was another tounge-in-cheek statement;-)
People take for granted that "Windows is easy" and "Linux is hard" when in reality, it is probably more about familiarity. Computers, in general can make life easy and they can be hard to learn. That was my point. Nothing more.
Sure, I probably went a little over the top to make my point. But that's what you can get from people when they feel like a minority.
I've had many clients hit with malware or other issue and have learned the best solution is a re-install -- for nearly all major problems.
That's solid TCO for you!
I know a guy who "has forgotten more about how Windows works than I'll ever learn". He thought I was nuts about being so trigger-happy with re-installs until I asked him two questions:
So you think you could go through the registry, etc., and clean it up and fix this problem? Yes.
So I've estimated the job at 3 hours for a re-install and recovery of his data. I'll pay you to fix the problem your way. Can you do it within 3 hours? No.
It's cool to know lots about Windows and be able to fix it the "right" way. But it's often much more expensive to work through problems than to just do a clean installation.
Conclusion: Use your Windows knowledge to blow time on your own systems; Don't waste the client's money.
That VP of Marketing needs how to learn to run scanreg/fix after an F8 and getting a command prompt. People I have taught this too don't seem to call as much anymore. It fixes 90% of Win 95-98 problems. WinMe and XP, teach them about restore points. 2000, I have never had many calls on that one!
I know the problem he's having and it's hardware related. The only point I was really trying to make was: Computers are hard -- apparently a point lost on the other trolls replying to my post (because I didn't positively support their religeon).
Very good tip, though. Thanks!
And for the poster who just skimmed my original post: I said, these problems are a daily thing, not just occasional. Also, I'm certain if the world were dominated by Linux, I'd have just as much work to do. Ok, one more time: Computers are hard.
My family uses Linux -- and only Linux. Not because I'm a Linux zealot. They use it because it's what they know. It's what they know because it was the only environment their dad could put together that would not require him to become a full-time system administrator, at home.
We have six kids (now age 9 - 19). Thus we've always had many computers around -- the kids spend equal amounts of time with PS2, TV and PC.
We've tried Windows many, many times. We always go back to "easy" Linux. It just runs; We all know it; It offers us all the games we need; Got tired of hearing "IE sucks", "Outlook sucks", "Office sucks", etc., etc.
Had I been able to make more of a living, sooner in life, half of them may have had Macs, by now. The others would probably still be happier with Linux.
Again, it isn't about Linux, Windows or Mac. It's about what is most familiar.
So why am I headded over to my friend's house (a VP of Marketing -- no dumbass) this morning to help him get his printer to work on Windows?
I help CPAs, Morgage Brokers, etc., every single day with the same crap people say makes Linux "hard".
Look, computers are hard. Can't people see the forest for the religeous trees?! When you get used to one environment, anything else looks "foreing". That makes it real convenient to say "that... that... thing! It made me work at figuring this... this... thing I don't even have to think about in my world."
You are just adding more religeon to the noise. Windows is much harder to learn -- in many respects -- as is Linux. You just don't run into many folks (yet) who've had to go the other direction: Linux to Windows.
I've been using Unix for twenty years. Last environment used (before switching to Linux) was Solaris. Let me tell you, young whipper snapper, when I had my first try at Windows (1998). I about had a nervous breakdown.
I still don't like Windows XP verry well. It just doesn't feel right. Everything is so fucking hard to get done in that stupid practically-windows-only environment, with a command prompt that won't auto-complete! Why is it 2004 and DOS won't auto-complete?! Morons.
You're missing the very fact that in many, many cases, when "things don't always work right" you can't even get them back to working whatsoever -- as you watch Windows eat itself alive and laugh at you while it makes you play "pin the tail on the problem". It blindfolds you!
Some people have paid me thousands to fix their Windows problems. Simple stuff, like getting printers to work or their Outlook to quit behaving "weird". Thousands, because they keep asking me to come back to do more -- install this software, fix this little glitch, remove this spyware my daughter installd ("my computer's slow"). Translation? "It's too hard for me to do it". In my opinion, it is Windows which isn't quite baked enough and ready for anyones' desktop.
You want "easy"? Then everyone should be using a PDA or maybe a Mac.
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So why destroy Abu Ghraib prisons in Iraq? Seems like a worthy use of these facilities!
Made me chuckle...
Rubbish. GNOME wipes the floor with OSX? You're mad. KDE comes close, if set up right (i.e. if redhat haven't been anywhere near it), but GNOME????
So true. I'm running KDE on Fedora Core 2 and it is simply a dog (1.2MHz uP). I don't know what RedHat has done to KDE, but the diference between it and KDE on other distros is stark!
However, I have no idea which way to go from here. Buck up and learn to stomach Gnome? Find a distro that is more KDE-centric? Fedora still seems to be the best at supplying recent packages and easy server setup.
Just use pattern passwords: ;-)
:-/
1) Put both hands on our friend, QWERTY
2) Move fingers into a natural, systematic position
3) Bang out a pattern using all fingers
4) Randomly include the shift key and those keys at the top, including the Back Space
5) Keep hitting some keys even after you've hit Enter; Then hold the Back Space key (optional)
6) "Practice, practice, practice!" so it can be typed very fast
Results?
* I rarely mistype a password
* I don't know my own password
* I couldn't share my password with security unless a keyboard was around
* I type it in so fast, it would take a video recording to spy-capture it (me thinks)
Of course, nothing can help you with key logging
On an Averatec SL3150H
;) I might entertain a different distro; One that would better support KDE. Any suggestions?
Problem 1: I loaded *everything* (6GB+). And I cannot find 'gcc'! (Even as root.) Why wouldn't gcc be in the normal $PATH? Help?
Problem 2: Sound (AVI 8223 chipset) is broken, for every sound the OS tries to play I get an annoying buzzzzzing sound 'til the file is finished playing. However, have not tried sound in Gnome (probably works).
Problem 3: The mouse touch-pad works, but the "touch-to-click" doeasn't -- and it did for Yarrow.
Problem 4: When I "switch desktop" (to KDE) Gnome *still* defaults for each login. (Have to manually select KDE _every_time_!)
Problem 5: At least for KDE, there are NO screensavers (except to blank the screen). How's that for bias.
Other than that, it looks like it's Yarrow, only somewhat more biased
I refuse to accept that there aren't enough good people in a given country to have a truly benevolent government.
There are. It's just that the good people are too busy making an honest living while the bad people break every rule to make an dishonest killing.
Yes, exactly on schedule. Right. Did you not notice that their schedule was revised about 5 times along the way?
Even after all the help and effort, to keep things on track, that you contributed?!
Those slackers.
Many Atheists really should be called something else (e.g. right-wing-anti-god-folk or just plain Anti-theists) -- thus not giving a bad name to the rest of us Atheists.
A truer definition of the word, "atheist", could then be, "Could care less if there is or is not a God -- so, quit arguing incessantly about it and pass the gravy!".
And if more people subscribed to true atheism, we could talk more about the soccer game and quit killing each other over mosks, synagogues, churches and the almighty Sacred Cow!
Oh, I'm sorry. Was I off-topic? Ok, then I want to know, where is it written Linus is an Atheist? Maybe (especially from his general down-to-earth attitude) he's really an "atheist" -- as registered Atheists are really fanatical "anti-theists".
Not sure about "doesn't like". Your examples sound more like "rapid release" syndrome. Think of how many moving targets other operating systems throw at VARs (answer: very few, with very infrequent releases).
The stability you are seeking may be realized by installing Linux once and leaving it alone for a few years (patches and bug-fixes not withstanding).
For example, we have been running Red Hat 8 for more than a year. Everything just works, including Quake III and The SIMs, natively and QuickBooks, Quicken, MS Office and Adobe products through Win4Lin. On one box, Red Hat 6.2 has been running for about three years.
On most of our systems, though, the very latest Fedora Core 2 is being installed, today and tomorrow. That's because the latest and greatest features are just too appealing!
Not sure they are at each other's throats. Open Source seems to be ok with closed source software. Where the hurt begins is with the fear closed source companies have of Open Source.
Based on fears alone, a lot of FUD is used to "fight fire with fire". It's like a common spousal spat that occurs when one spouse feels threatened by statements the other has made, which were entirely misinterpreted -- but were interpreted as such only because the defensive one has some unfounded fear on the subject.
The attacks fly until the defensive one gets their assurance that their worst fear won't happen.
When the FUD flies, the Open Source community reacts. Naturally.
I used to get beat up a lot in Bolivia and in Chile, when I was in grade school. This happened because I was "American" and they thought we were all just "born knowing how to fight real good" and wanted to learn how to fight from a "natural born killer".
Well, I did learn how to "fight real good", eventually. But I learned from street experience, just like those kids, who first fought me, were trying to do.
Ignorance is rather universal, folks -- big surprise.
Or do you feel it should be the exclusive province of uber-geeks...?
Too often the same applies to Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Come on, admit it. Bet you can't accurately remember how many of your family members and friends you've helped with problems installing hardware on Windows.
You probably don't remember because when it comes to Windows, all's forgiven when things go wrong. It's expected things will go wrong, but that's alright. It's Windows. (I help businesses, every day, with their Windows messes using a sweet, reliable Linux laptop.)
Of course, the reverse expectation is true for Linux. It's expected to be a pain. So when it is a pain, OMG! There you go, just not up to "perfection", yet, is it...
About the only way you're going to get better than Linux or Windows is to have an iron grip on hardware variables and a very high-bar for software standards. So, why aren't there more posts bashing Windows with an Apple?
Let's face it: When it comes to affordable computing, there's a lot of crap out there in the hardware department. It's hardware manufacturers -- not Windows or Linux -- who need to get their act together. That, or peopple need to simply "get it" when it comes to where the real problems are at.
Nothing.
Move along, now...
As you've mentioned, all you have to do is edit one css file and you can change the appearence of a whole website.
:)
Or not edit a file, like here.
(Appologies to Mac users and appologies for slow loading page - you can see why in the source. Also, 'Save' has been diabled for you
Forks are a healthy thing. When a FOSS project goes bad (e.g. the head of the project looses his/her mind) forks allow the community to escape a bad thing.
If the fork is made for good reason, the world follows. If a fork is just someone's rant-child, the world ignores it and it whithers on th vine. Forking is one way projects evolve. When two branches (resulting from a fork) survive, there's also usually a pretty decent reason.
From the perspective of the CIO, forking should be seen as no more of a risk than a vendor being tossed around by a corporate buyout. It happens, but it shouldn't stop one from buying the tools one needs.
So my interpretation of what you're willing to offer the community could be summed up by this statement, no?.
Keep it to yourself, Shatner.
I was happily producing tcl/Tk apps for more than a year, until a new employee came on board. He would pronounce it "tickle". "Tickle [this]" and "Tickle [that]" without so much as an ounce of shame. It bugged me so much! I used to pronouce it "Tee-Cee-El" as much as possible just to see if he'd get the hint and *stop*. I stopped working with tcl just to stay away from the small following he'd developed who all ran around discussing better ways to "tickle" -- or whatever.
I still can't pronounce it "tickle" without feeling like I'm somehow being intimate with everyone in the room. It's all about the mental picture. At least "cute" doesn't conote a bad mental piture. I mean, come on... Have some cooth! What if someone came up with a language called BT or FK or SHT? How would you want people to pronouce those languages in a staff meeting?
Blasphemer !!!
Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!
So what you're saying is, you missed my point entirely -- and you have trouble recognizing tounge-in-cheek (e.g. "whipper snapper"). You must be rather young (ok, that was another tounge-in-cheek statement ;-)
People take for granted that "Windows is easy" and "Linux is hard" when in reality, it is probably more about familiarity. Computers, in general can make life easy and they can be hard to learn. That was my point. Nothing more.
Sure, I probably went a little over the top to make my point. But that's what you can get from people when they feel like a minority.
Uh, I think if you re-read my original post (i.e. the whole thing) you'll see we're in agreement, there. (Read to the very end.)
That's solid TCO for you!
I know a guy who "has forgotten more about how Windows works than I'll ever learn". He thought I was nuts about being so trigger-happy with re-installs until I asked him two questions:
It's cool to know lots about Windows and be able to fix it the "right" way. But it's often much more expensive to work through problems than to just do a clean installation.
Conclusion: Use your Windows knowledge to blow time on your own systems; Don't waste the client's money.
That VP of Marketing needs how to learn to run scanreg /fix after an F8 and getting a command prompt. People I have taught this too don't seem to call as much anymore. It fixes 90% of Win 95-98 problems. WinMe and XP, teach them about restore points. 2000, I have never had many calls on that one!
I know the problem he's having and it's hardware related. The only point I was really trying to make was: Computers are hard -- apparently a point lost on the other trolls replying to my post (because I didn't positively support their religeon).
Very good tip, though. Thanks!
And for the poster who just skimmed my original post: I said, these problems are a daily thing, not just occasional. Also, I'm certain if the world were dominated by Linux, I'd have just as much work to do. Ok, one more time: Computers are hard.
My family uses Linux -- and only Linux. Not because I'm a Linux zealot. They use it because it's what they know. It's what they know because it was the only environment their dad could put together that would not require him to become a full-time system administrator, at home.
We have six kids (now age 9 - 19). Thus we've always had many computers around -- the kids spend equal amounts of time with PS2, TV and PC.
We've tried Windows many, many times. We always go back to "easy" Linux. It just runs; We all know it; It offers us all the games we need; Got tired of hearing "IE sucks", "Outlook sucks", "Office sucks", etc., etc.
Had I been able to make more of a living, sooner in life, half of them may have had Macs, by now. The others would probably still be happier with Linux.
Again, it isn't about Linux, Windows or Mac. It's about what is most familiar.
So why am I headded over to my friend's house (a VP of Marketing -- no dumbass) this morning to help him get his printer to work on Windows?
I help CPAs, Morgage Brokers, etc., every single day with the same crap people say makes Linux "hard".
Look, computers are hard. Can't people see the forest for the religeous trees?! When you get used to one environment, anything else looks "foreing". That makes it real convenient to say "that... that... thing! It made me work at figuring this... this... thing I don't even have to think about in my world."
You are just adding more religeon to the noise. Windows is much harder to learn -- in many respects -- as is Linux. You just don't run into many folks (yet) who've had to go the other direction: Linux to Windows.
I've been using Unix for twenty years. Last environment used (before switching to Linux) was Solaris. Let me tell you, young whipper snapper, when I had my first try at Windows (1998). I about had a nervous breakdown.
I still don't like Windows XP verry well. It just doesn't feel right. Everything is so fucking hard to get done in that stupid practically-windows-only environment, with a command prompt that won't auto-complete! Why is it 2004 and DOS won't auto-complete?! Morons.
You're missing the very fact that in many, many cases, when "things don't always work right" you can't even get them back to working whatsoever -- as you watch Windows eat itself alive and laugh at you while it makes you play "pin the tail on the problem". It blindfolds you!
Some people have paid me thousands to fix their Windows problems. Simple stuff, like getting printers to work or their Outlook to quit behaving "weird". Thousands, because they keep asking me to come back to do more -- install this software, fix this little glitch, remove this spyware my daughter installd ("my computer's slow"). Translation? "It's too hard for me to do it". In my opinion, it is Windows which isn't quite baked enough and ready for anyones' desktop.
You want "easy"? Then everyone should be using a PDA or maybe a Mac.