You think we should play out to be a news SOURCE so that the BBC can confirm what some of us think is the truth?"
Fuck it. Evans is getting paid, he should do his job and not base his article in slashdot rants. I mean, that just proves he is incredebly humongously stupid.
Dear Sir: In the article: Linux cyber-battle turns nasty, by Stephen Evans, there are a number of factual errors and editorial concessions the author gives to himself, far under the standard for serious journalism that BBC has allways upheld.
He claims that it is clear that the linux community " Wrath of the Geeks " has attacked the SCO.COM site with the MyDoom Virus. By god sir, get your facts straight.
I am a Linux "Geek" (as you fondly call me), and the only wrath ive felt in the past two months is about you and your article!
Let me set your fact straight:
1.- The Representatives of the linux community is only consistant of 1 person in the world. Linus Torvalds, the author of the kernel. You have never seen, or will ever see him endorsing the coward attack of a cracker against a live website.
2.- Representatives of the Open Source Community are basically two: a) Eric S. Raymond who has allways stated that this kind of attack is well bellow the members of our community. In his site, Eric points journalists to "do their homework" and read "the paper that started the avalanche" at this page:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/press.html
If Mr. Evans has never read this paper, he has NO BUSINESS WHATSOEVER to talk, write or critizize ANYTHING about the linux community. Read the paper to make shure you understand just who are this "geeks", the self appointed Open Source Community is all about.
b) Bruce Perens Bruce is one of the most important people in this "Geek" Community your article talks about. He helped create Software in The Public Interest, and the guidelines by which our community decides if a software licence can be labeled as free or not (thats the Open Source Definition....go google for it). He has probably more moral pull than Eric for this kind of thing and he clearly stated in his response to the MyDoom news that no one in the Open Source community shouldve or woudlve done this because its against our values of technicall excelence and professional ethic.
He has a much better idea than Mr. Evans in that he points out the obvious authors of the virus:
Either SCO did this themselves for publicity or the Spamming industry found a way to hit us (the free/open source community) and make spam-spreading virii (i dont know if Mr. Evans noticed, but MyDoom was released at the same time as two other Spam-Spread virii. This strongly support the second opinion about the authors of mydoom).
c) Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation.
Richard (often called RMS) is the undisputed leader of the Free Software Movement. This movement is different from the Open Source Community in that it is founded upon the beleif that software should be, like speech, free. The Open Source Community does not necesarily endorse that point of view.
If Richard got his hands on the dirty cracker that made MyDoom he would probably strangle him himself.
A cracker is to the linux/open source/ free software communities the worst kind of thief. He thrives on our technicall improvements (uses linux, and GNU tools -made by the FSF and stallman-), to commit himself to antisocial behaviour in the environment WE created, called the Internet (YES WE!... the internet runs 90% in OUR software, this email will be delivered to you by one or more components based on Free/Open source software).
Worst of all, we create this software so that people can enjoy it and make their lives better with it. Our software is a work of art and usability. It is built with the idea of human advancement in mind. We write it with a star on the edge of our eye that wants to see the BEST come out of our hands.
We do not endorse lousy 15 year old white kids with nothing to do playing with it to hurt a company.
Nor do we endorse (as the enourmous wealth and quality of anti spam open source software proves), gutless spamming predators that cost companies and individuals billions of dollars a year.
I mean... im almost allways in favor of what they do. But they should really seek technicall advice before going on to say such stupid things.
Its either that they are just mentally retarded or that MS marketing is preparing to pitch congress with the idea that, they can ensure their goods are well used if they are protected as a monopoly, whereas we (FLOSS) cannot.
By god, i just saw the flick "Kill Smotchie". If you saw it, youll remember they paint charities in a somehow different light (strong charities are mafia-like).... i see an analogy between that and amnesty and other Non Government Organizations (think greenpeace, which sells protesters to anyone with enough dough).
Lets be carefull with this and strongly oppose any attempt to scorning any software because of the way its used.
I mean, the analogy is simple. Knife companies in the US are also in violation of the UN HRC since their knifes are used in torture in China. Same goes to baseball-bat makers, golf club makers (yes, i see a couple of ways to cause pain with those), and maybe even the record house of Britney Spears (imagine 1400 watt gear in a 2x2 room with 364 days of the blonde bitch singing at you, put in some 60 in. HDTV sets with her videos...you get the idea.)
Its not for everyone.... I mean, if you ever felt loyal to you employer and really put out there, and then felt you were fsked by them....well, with your own company its ALLLWAYS that way...
You just have noone to blame but yourself. When things dont work its your problem, when things work, you have the responsibility to pay your people first, then keep whats leftover....
SpamCop also works in sending spam (makes cool boxes for spammers)....so, hows that for a warm fuzzy feeling of hurting anyone who doesnt pay into spamcop schemes?
Mars colonizers sent in the year 2020 discovered the air patches beneath the craters. They caved their civilization within, and cut contact with the earth.
They discovered life under the rocks, a sentient breed of metallic, rock-eating insects, very suitable for building machines through communicating with them.
By 2100, the geno-bomb hit our planet, rendering it useless for everything but fighters and war mongers. This kind of people is what the goddess left us to fight with against the mars recolonization effort.
I think we are all missing darls point. Its not weather the us constitution invalidates the GPL and whatnot.
What they try to assert, is that UNIX-like systems are their property. And thats the danger of this all.
The only reason for their need to kick the GPL is because they realized that they have knowingly distributed those very same works under it, and now are with their backs against the wall.
Well tough luck, darl wasnt arround back then, and they cant just pull back now. No matter how much they whine about it.
You didnt read my article, or i didnt explain myself, or you just where too offended by the use of the word FUCK in the same line as CORPORATIONS (dont be offended again, read on).
Read it again, you will find you and me agree. What i say there is that some boring jobs go overseas, and that is a good thing because they are boring.
The job of the slashdot reader (i say at the end) is to push for the 10% of non-boring jobs, which have much less chance to being taken overseas (such as perhaps what you do) or open their own shop to pursue making their own interesting jobs, as oposed to being an underpaid VB pseudohacker making little modules for ERP like software (which, in my book, counts as deadly boring).
ARE low level, and they should move to hell (im not even american, but its the same trend everywhere).
I mean, you dont need good level programming for 80% of the programming tasks of corporate enterprises (sap anyone?)
People that actually get to manage this kind of project should also move to their nearest cronic boredom self management help-group.
Now, if the 'interesting' projects are also moving there, its because 'there' has better educated IT professionals for a lesser price. I do think this is the case for some of this projects, and good riddance to them.
But other projects (granted, only 10% of the it workforce gets to work on this) simply cannot be done anywhere else than in the states. Your job is to struggle for those, or open your own shop.
Well, thats the point. Its no great CMS system even if its worth the 11 million.
The bulk cost of a CMS deployment is in:
a) Content Modeling (including roles, workflows...etc) b) Custom made interfaces if needed (if teachers are to submit their stuff themselves and the content is then automatically handled)
It wouldve costed some millions, yes, because content modeling wouldve costed the same regardless of platform, same it goes for the interfaces.
Still, the question is, what part of the cost is licensing?
Youll find that a lot of it is. India is microsoft's saviour because americans use microsoft. If people dont cost, then i can afford the licensing.
Why didnt an american company get the project? Because gardner said microsoft was a better choice, so instantly, we have to go to india.
An american company couldve implemented this in OSS perfectly, probably with a larger feature base (not because its american, but because its using open source). They didnt choose an american company because it would be to expensive to do it in america with microsoft software.
Now what will really bake your egg, is that indians will do it in OSS if they have to compete with americans doing it in it as well. With the same or better workforce quality (indian school system is something to be proud of) at a fraction of the cost.
Yeah, the first thing i did when i looked at this great effort of MIT was, where is the software!
So i poked arround and its on the faq (and i seem to remember i got email from them when i asked). They made it with a microsoft CMS piece of shit software and some other stuff.
The good part about it is that teachers just do their stuff in HTML and most of the infrastructure is basicaly static with some MSCMS stuff arround it.
I guess there are many good things about it, but tech infrastructure is not one of them.
when phone moved from copper to fibre, the regulations didn't change so why expect them to change when the underlying medium is IP?
because i can afford for 30 bucks a month an adsl line that gives me IP to do voice over it, but i didnt have the same chance with fiber.
Massification is a function of price. This has to change the regulations or you face a monopoly like i do in my country, one that will be made innefective because they wont be able to stop the voip revolution even if they want to. It will just take more time than if we didnt have a monopoly.
If you guys have the chance to do it right from the begining, do so.
Offer 1Million dollars for an Open Source embeded project that can go into the cheapest, bsd or linux supported open architecture box of your choice. Make a panel of experts to evaluate the projects and choose the best one.
Then make a licitation to building and servicing the boxes with the resulting software on it.
The total cost of your eVoting process will be kept, for all of the United States, depending on the box you choose, between 10 and 50 million dollars without any need for extra investment for the next 5 to 10 years. Plus the code will be openly inspectionable and the people that made it will be identified and held responsible for mantaining the code.
Now, how is that dificult or how does Diebold give you a better value-proposition?
Slashdot Mirror
Dont you think?
What the FUCK is this world comming to, come on!
You think we should play out to be a news SOURCE so that the BBC can confirm what some of us think is the truth?"
Fuck it. Evans is getting paid, he should do his job and not base his article in slashdot rants. I mean, that just proves he is incredebly humongously stupid.
a Bunch of Linux Zealots Full Of Wrath?
you got them....
This is as far as we go. We leave virii writing to thieves and their contractors like SCO
Dear Sir:
... the internet runs 90% in OUR software, this email will be delivered to you by one or more components based on Free/Open source software).
In the article: Linux cyber-battle turns nasty, by Stephen Evans, there are a number of factual errors and editorial concessions the author gives to himself, far under the standard for serious journalism that BBC has allways upheld.
He claims that it is clear that the linux community " Wrath of the Geeks " has attacked the SCO.COM site with the MyDoom Virus. By god sir, get your facts straight.
I am a Linux "Geek" (as you fondly call me), and the only wrath ive felt in the past two months is about you and your article!
Let me set your fact straight:
1.- The Representatives of the linux community is only consistant of 1 person in the world. Linus Torvalds, the author of the kernel. You have never seen, or will ever see him endorsing the coward attack of a cracker against a live website.
2.- Representatives of the Open Source Community are basically two:
a) Eric S. Raymond who has allways stated that this kind of attack is well bellow the members of our community. In his site, Eric points journalists to "do their homework" and read "the paper that started the avalanche" at this page:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/press.html
If Mr. Evans has never read this paper, he has NO BUSINESS WHATSOEVER to talk, write or critizize ANYTHING about the linux community. Read the paper to make shure you understand just who are this "geeks", the self appointed Open Source Community is all about.
b) Bruce Perens
Bruce is one of the most important people in this "Geek" Community your article talks about. He helped create Software in The Public Interest, and the guidelines by which our community decides if a software licence can be labeled as free or not (thats the Open Source Definition....go google for it).
He has probably more moral pull than Eric for this kind of thing and he clearly stated in his response to the MyDoom news that no one in the Open Source community shouldve or woudlve done this because its against our values of technicall excelence and professional ethic.
He has a much better idea than Mr. Evans in that he points out the obvious authors of the virus:
Either SCO did this themselves for publicity or the Spamming industry found a way to hit us (the free/open source community) and make spam-spreading virii (i dont know if Mr. Evans noticed, but MyDoom was released at the same time as two other Spam-Spread virii. This strongly support the second opinion about the authors of mydoom).
c) Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation.
Richard (often called RMS) is the undisputed leader of the Free Software Movement. This movement is different from the Open Source Community in that it is founded upon the beleif that software should be, like speech, free. The Open Source Community does not necesarily endorse that point of view.
If Richard got his hands on the dirty cracker that made MyDoom he would probably strangle him himself.
A cracker is to the linux/open source/ free software communities the worst kind of thief. He thrives on our technicall improvements (uses linux, and GNU tools -made by the FSF and stallman-), to commit himself to antisocial behaviour in the environment WE created, called the Internet (YES WE!
Worst of all, we create this software so that people can enjoy it and make their lives better with it. Our software is a work of art and usability. It is built with the idea of human advancement in mind. We write it with a star on the edge of our eye that wants to see the BEST come out of our hands.
We do not endorse lousy 15 year old white kids with nothing to do playing with it to hurt a company.
Nor do we endorse (as the enourmous wealth and quality of anti spam open source software proves), gutless spamming predators that cost companies and individuals billions of dollars a year.
Finally, we D
I mean... im almost allways in favor of what they do. But they should really seek technicall advice before going on to say such stupid things.
Its either that they are just mentally retarded or that MS marketing is preparing to pitch congress with the idea that, they can ensure their goods are well used if they are protected as a monopoly, whereas we (FLOSS) cannot.
By god, i just saw the flick "Kill Smotchie". If you saw it, youll remember they paint charities in a somehow different light (strong charities are mafia-like).... i see an analogy between that and amnesty and other Non Government Organizations (think greenpeace, which sells protesters to anyone with enough dough).
Lets be carefull with this and strongly oppose any attempt to scorning any software because of the way its used.
I mean, the analogy is simple. Knife companies in the US are also in violation of the UN HRC since their knifes are used in torture in China. Same goes to baseball-bat makers, golf club makers (yes, i see a couple of ways to cause pain with those), and maybe even the record house of Britney Spears (imagine 1400 watt gear in a 2x2 room with 364 days of the blonde bitch singing at you, put in some 60 in. HDTV sets with her videos...you get the idea.)
Now give me my money
The MS Word import filters are alone worth the price of admission (a quick compile on my Gentoo box).
What are you, on a cray?
Yeah, done this. Still on it. It works.... BUT
Its not for everyone.... I mean, if you ever felt loyal to you employer and really put out there, and then felt you were fsked by them....well, with your own company its ALLLWAYS that way...
You just have noone to blame but yourself. When things dont work its your problem, when things work, you have the responsibility to pay your people first, then keep whats leftover....
Still, it can become a passion, even for a geek.
Come on guys....we are SO better than that.... this is probably even made by sco to attract judge sympathy.
Why was iran-gate/nixon/deepthroat such a big deal and this is, well, just an interesting news bit.
Slashdot.org [slashdot.org] is what im talking about. Think about paying spamcop a dime.
SpamCop also works in sending spam (makes cool boxes for spammers)....so, hows that for a warm fuzzy feeling of hurting anyone who doesnt pay into spamcop schemes?
Unicast, the company responsible, says the ads will play regardless of pop-up blocking.
Wahahahaha....ill pay them just to see if they can make debianppc + epiphany working with their crap...
Mars colonizers sent in the year 2020 discovered the air patches beneath the craters. They caved their civilization within, and cut contact with the earth.
They discovered life under the rocks, a sentient breed of metallic, rock-eating insects, very suitable for building machines through communicating with them.
By 2100, the geno-bomb hit our planet, rendering it useless for everything but fighters and war mongers. This kind of people is what the goddess left us to fight with against the mars recolonization effort.
This is earth, and their survivors....
For more, order here...:)
..."Zaphod heard a distant terrible cry of pain 'What was that?' he asked. 'Its a recording, we play it for every next victim of the vortex'...
Danish Law != USA Law
(EU Law?)
So go figure.
Thats gonna make it slower than postgres. I say slay mysql.
Its best thing was that it wasnt hoggish so the normal, simple web-app site could use it.
Nowdays, postgres is faster than mysql, and more scalable, and better proven. An now JAVA? Come on, it cant get any slower than embeding java there.
I think we are all missing darls point. Its not weather the us constitution invalidates the GPL and whatnot.
What they try to assert, is that UNIX-like systems are their property. And thats the danger of this all.
The only reason for their need to kick the GPL is because they realized that they have knowingly distributed those very same works under it, and now are with their backs against the wall.
Well tough luck, darl wasnt arround back then, and they cant just pull back now. No matter how much they whine about it.
You didnt read my article, or i didnt explain myself, or you just where too offended by the use of the word FUCK in the same line as CORPORATIONS (dont be offended again, read on).
Read it again, you will find you and me agree. What i say there is that some boring jobs go overseas, and that is a good thing because they are boring.
The job of the slashdot reader (i say at the end) is to push for the 10% of non-boring jobs, which have much less chance to being taken overseas (such as perhaps what you do) or open their own shop to pursue making their own interesting jobs, as oposed to being an underpaid VB pseudohacker making little modules for ERP like software (which, in my book, counts as deadly boring).
ARE low level, and they should move to hell (im not even american, but its the same trend everywhere).
I mean, you dont need good level programming for 80% of the programming tasks of corporate enterprises (sap anyone?)
People that actually get to manage this kind of project should also move to their nearest cronic boredom self management help-group.
Now, if the 'interesting' projects are also moving there, its because 'there' has better educated IT professionals for a lesser price. I do think this is the case for some of this projects, and good riddance to them.
But other projects (granted, only 10% of the it workforce gets to work on this) simply cannot be done anywhere else than in the states. Your job is to struggle for those, or open your own shop.
Fuck corporations.
Im shure arnie will not back down from pressure from hollywood studios.
Kudos inteligent voters of america. Keep going, next thing youll get is another run of your beloved Lex Luthor ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h president bush...
Well, thats the point. Its no great CMS system even if its worth the 11 million.
The bulk cost of a CMS deployment is in:
a) Content Modeling (including roles, workflows...etc)
b) Custom made interfaces if needed (if teachers are to submit their stuff themselves and the content is then automatically handled)
It wouldve costed some millions, yes, because content modeling wouldve costed the same regardless of platform, same it goes for the interfaces.
Still, the question is, what part of the cost is licensing?
Youll find that a lot of it is. India is microsoft's saviour because americans use microsoft. If people dont cost, then i can afford the licensing.
Why didnt an american company get the project? Because gardner said microsoft was a better choice, so instantly, we have to go to india.
An american company couldve implemented this in OSS perfectly, probably with a larger feature base (not because its american, but because its using open source). They didnt choose an american company because it would be to expensive to do it in america with microsoft software.
Now what will really bake your egg, is that indians will do it in OSS if they have to compete with americans doing it in it as well. With the same or better workforce quality (indian school system is something to be proud of) at a fraction of the cost.
Yeah, the first thing i did when i looked at this great effort of MIT was, where is the software!
So i poked arround and its on the faq (and i seem to remember i got email from them when i asked). They made it with a microsoft CMS piece of shit software and some other stuff.
The good part about it is that teachers just do their stuff in HTML and most of the infrastructure is basicaly static with some MSCMS stuff arround it.
I guess there are many good things about it, but tech infrastructure is not one of them.
when phone moved from copper to fibre, the regulations didn't change so why expect them to change when the underlying medium is IP?
because i can afford for 30 bucks a month an adsl line that gives me IP to do voice over it, but i didnt have the same chance with fiber.
Massification is a function of price. This has to change the regulations or you face a monopoly like i do in my country, one that will be made innefective because they wont be able to stop the voip revolution even if they want to. It will just take more time than if we didnt have a monopoly.
If you guys have the chance to do it right from the begining, do so.
Dear US Gov,
Offer 1Million dollars for an Open Source embeded project that can go into the cheapest, bsd or linux supported open architecture box of your choice.
Make a panel of experts to evaluate the projects and choose the best one.
Then make a licitation to building and servicing the boxes with the resulting software on it.
The total cost of your eVoting process will be kept, for all of the United States, depending on the box you choose, between 10 and 50 million dollars without any need for extra investment for the next 5 to 10 years. Plus the code will be openly inspectionable and the people that made it will be identified and held responsible for mantaining the code.
Now, how is that dificult or how does Diebold give you a better value-proposition?
Think gaddamit think!