Instead of swallowing default metacity and nautilus, just use another window manager? I used enlightenment with gnome and it worked just fine. So what's the problem here? If you are a regular user you get metacity with nautilus drawing the desktop. If you are experienced with nix then you can use whatever suits you best.
It's amusing to listen to people outside the states talk about what Americans know and don't know... I watch the local weather report for Detroit and I can see the weather in ontario. Not only that, but I know what the word detroit means too:p
Not that I think we should go back to that time, but there are ways around the url problems. It was a major inconvienence though, and there are lots of better ways to spend your time.
\Par`a*noi"a\, n. (Med.) A chronic form of insanity characterized by very gradual impairment of the intellect, systematized delusion, and usually by delusious of persecution or mandatory delusions producing homicidal tendency. In its mild form paranoia may consist in the well-marked crotchetiness exhibited in persons commonly called ``cranks.'' Paranoiacs usually show evidences of bodily and nervous degeneration, and many have hallucinations, esp. of sight and hearing.
The parent you replied to was garbled... I reposted a sibling that makes more sense.
Personally I changed the gconf key because I want to be able to browse my filesystem when I open a nautilus window. I don't ever want to have to use spacial nautilus by accident. I thought it was reasonable to provide an option in nautilus preferences, in fact, that is where I looked first after downloading gnome 2.5 and discovering what had happened with nautilus.
Here's an example. I'm working on a web site locally and I want to examine the files underneath link to the "/path/to/my/htdocs/" folder on my desktop. I don't want to have to click the "Browse Filesystem" icon in the menu and then navigate through path/to/my/htdocs. I just want to be there. I want to see the hierarchy.
Anyway - there are bigger fish to fry. such as why I need to resize the file selector every single time I use it because I can only see a three files at a time by default. Compared to this, setting a key in gconf is a joke.
Whether you meant "religious and/or nostalgic" or "religious and nostalgic" is really moot. I dislike your portrail of users in these terms.
Religious: I think by using this word you meant losed minded and adverse to change or different viewpoints. Zealotry. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you meant the following.
I religiously use a file manager and as such I want it fit the way I think, and I don't want to have to dig through a huge list of variables in gconf-editor to find something that is so important to me.
Nostalgia: Users of previous nautilus versions can be nostalgic of tree view while users of earlier MacOS's can be nostalgic of spacial view.
So it isn't all nostalia seeking users who want to banish tree view completely, some are just fine being nostalgic with spacial view.
I believe the backlash is due to the very condescending and somewhat ill-informed article in OSNews, and also due to the (therwise very nice) article available here [bytebot.net], in which the impression is given that you need to open gconf-editor if you don't want spatial.
Whatever.
That impression is correct. If you don't want spacial *at all* then you have to use gconf. If you don't mind some of your windows coming up spacially then you should be good to go.
The backlash precedes and is much more than these two articles. In almost every article about gnome 2.6 or nautilus there have been comments expressing a need for an option in the nautilus preferences. Unfortunately, some people are not constructive and others are rude while expressing their views. This has been happening since the change was made and is a result of the fact that people that used nautilus all this time were suddenly forced to change and given no obvious way to fix things. Since nautilus has historically been used in tree view, to change with no option given, ticked a lot of people off. I could understand if the change was trivial, like getting rid of the throbber, no need for an option outside of gconf for that. However, this changes the way people get their work done (It may make you more efficient, but not me) and even if I wanted to dip my toes into the spacial pool I shouldn't be forced to learn everything at once and I should be able to move between the two environments with ease.
So anyway, as far as I know, this ruckus has been good for nautilus because the needed changes have been made.
Now all I need is for nautilus to allow right click dnd for copying files.
Whether you meant "religious and/or nostalgic" or "religious and nostalgic" is really moot. I dislike your portrail of users in these terms.
Religious: I think by using this word you meant losed minded and adverse to change or different viewpoints. Zealotry. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you meant the following.
I religiously use a file manager and as such I want it fit the way I think, and I don't want to have to dig through a huge list of variables in gconf-editor to find something that is so important to me.
Nostalgia: Users of previous nautilus versions can be nostalgic of tree view while users of MacOS I believe the backlash is due to the very condescending and somewhat ill-informed article in OSNews, and also due to the (otherwise very nice) article available here [bytebot.net], in which the impression is given that you need to open gconf-editor if you don't want spatial.
Whatever.
That impression is correct. If you don't want spacial *at all* then you have to use gconf. If you don't mind some of your windows coming up spacially then you should be good to go.
The backlash precedes and is much more than these two articles. In almost every article about gnome 2.6 or nautilus there have been comments expressing a need for an option in the nautilus preferences. Unfortunately, some people are not constructive and others are rude while expressing their views. This has been happening since the change was made and is a result of the fact that people that used nautilus all this time were suddenly forced to change and given no obvious way to fix things. Since nautilus has historically been used in tree view, to change with no option given, ticked a lot of people off. I could understand if the change was trivial, like getting rid of the throbber, no need for an option outside of gconf for that. However, this changes the way people get their work done (It may make you more efficient, but not me) and even if I wanted to dip my toes into the spacial pool I shouldn't be forced to learn everything at once and I should be able to move between the two with ease.
So anyway, as far as I know, this ruckus has been good for nautilus because the needed changes have been made.
Now all I need is for nautilus to allow right click dnd for copying files.
It's only those religious/nostalgic enough to completely want to banish the spatial nautilus...
Well since I use a file manager everyday, then yes, I am, strictly speaking, religous about this. Nostalgic, nope. Maybe if I was an old school mac user then I would get nostalgic using spacial nautilus though.
What it comese down to is this. There are lots of people who don't like spacial nautilus because it doesn't work like they want to work. Given the amount of backlash there is towards the spacial environment I think that a check box in nautilus itself is reasonable.
1.Stifling free and creative thought - Inquisition. 2.Corruption, Politics and the Anti-Popes - Great Schism 3.Crusade of 1420 - Hunting the "Heretics" - Great Schism 4.Taxation without representation - Forced Tithe 5.Not honoring the will of Jesus Christ their Lord - General
The list goes on and on, forced confessions, burning bones, and other weird ass shiat and they are all valid. I apologize for the sarcastic tone in number 5.
I think a lot of the unfortunate twists in European history are due to the Catholic church becoming so corrupt as to cause a reformation in the first place.
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Did you mean this?
I personally reject everything that is obvious as bourgeois and petty
or this...
I personally reject everything that is obvious as bourgeoise and pretty
probably the latter right;)
merde!
Watch out - metacity 2.84 has problems with the new stuff, use 2.83
Maybe they will upgrade compatibility when firefox goes 1.0 final
For instance, where did they get this kicker bar:
I'm not sure but I think that's engage for e17
check your cache setting and get back to us
I think you need to look "misunderestimate" up in the dictionary.
I think you're misunderestimating Bush.
Instead of swallowing default metacity and nautilus, just use another window manager? I used enlightenment with gnome and it worked just fine. So what's the problem here? If you are a regular user you get metacity with nautilus drawing the desktop. If you are experienced with nix then you can use whatever suits you best.
It's amusing to listen to people outside the states talk about what Americans know and don't know... I watch the local weather report for Detroit and I can see the weather in ontario. Not only that, but I know what the word detroit means too :p
here ya go!
http://www.beggarchooser.com/firefox/
Will it look as good as all text looks under Windows?
I hope it continues to look better. The default text on my XP system looks horrible, especially when compared to my GTK/Freetype desktop.
Benedict - bblonk@yahoo.com
Not that I think we should go back to that time, but there are ways around the url problems. It was a major inconvienence though, and there are lots of better ways to spend your time.
Alt tab sucks if you have 10 - 20 windows open. Thanks for multiple desktops X!
Actually...
\Par`a*noi"a\, n. (Med.) A chronic form of insanity characterized by very gradual impairment of the intellect, systematized delusion, and usually by delusious of persecution or mandatory delusions producing homicidal tendency. In its mild form paranoia may consist in the well-marked crotchetiness exhibited in persons commonly called ``cranks.'' Paranoiacs usually show evidences of bodily and nervous degeneration, and many have hallucinations, esp. of sight and hearing.
ISP's come and go
The parent you replied to was garbled... I reposted a sibling that makes more sense.
Personally I changed the gconf key because I want to be able to browse my filesystem when I open a nautilus window. I don't ever want to have to use spacial nautilus by accident. I thought it was reasonable to provide an option in nautilus preferences, in fact, that is where I looked first after downloading gnome 2.5 and discovering what had happened with nautilus.
Here's an example. I'm working on a web site locally and I want to examine the files underneath link to the "/path/to/my/htdocs/" folder on my desktop. I don't want to have to click the "Browse Filesystem" icon in the menu and then navigate through path/to/my/htdocs. I just want to be there. I want to see the hierarchy.
Anyway - there are bigger fish to fry. such as why I need to resize the file selector every single time I use it because I can only see a three files at a time by default. Compared to this, setting a key in gconf is a joke.
Religious: I think by using this word you meant losed minded and adverse to change or different viewpoints. Zealotry. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you meant the following.
I religiously use a file manager and as such I want it fit the way I think, and I don't want to have to dig through a huge list of variables in gconf-editor to find something that is so important to me.
Nostalgia: Users of previous nautilus versions can be nostalgic of tree view while users of earlier MacOS's can be nostalgic of spacial view.
So it isn't all nostalia seeking users who want to banish tree view completely, some are just fine being nostalgic with spacial view.
I believe the backlash is due to the very condescending and somewhat ill-informed article in OSNews, and also due to the (therwise very nice) article available here [bytebot.net], in which the impression is given that you need to open gconf-editor if you don't want spatial.
Whatever.
That impression is correct. If you don't want spacial *at all* then you have to use gconf. If you don't mind some of your windows coming up spacially then you should be good to go.
The backlash precedes and is much more than these two articles. In almost every article about gnome 2.6 or nautilus there have been comments expressing a need for an option in the nautilus preferences. Unfortunately, some people are not constructive and others are rude while expressing their views. This has been happening since the change was made and is a result of the fact that people that used nautilus all this time were suddenly forced to change and given no obvious way to fix things. Since nautilus has historically been used in tree view, to change with no option given, ticked a lot of people off. I could understand if the change was trivial, like getting rid of the throbber, no need for an option outside of gconf for that. However, this changes the way people get their work done (It may make you more efficient, but not me) and even if I wanted to dip my toes into the spacial pool I shouldn't be forced to learn everything at once and I should be able to move between the two environments with ease.
So anyway, as far as I know, this ruckus has been good for nautilus because the needed changes have been made.
Now all I need is for nautilus to allow right click dnd for copying files.
Whether you meant "religious and/or nostalgic" or "religious and nostalgic" is really moot. I dislike your portrail of users in these terms.
Religious: I think by using this word you meant losed minded and adverse to change or different viewpoints. Zealotry. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you meant the following.
I religiously use a file manager and as such I want it fit the way I think, and I don't want to have to dig through a huge list of variables in gconf-editor to find something that is so important to me.
Nostalgia: Users of previous nautilus versions can be nostalgic of tree view while users of MacOS I believe the backlash is due to the very condescending and somewhat ill-informed article in OSNews, and also due to the (otherwise very nice) article available here [bytebot.net], in which the impression is given that you need to open gconf-editor if you don't want spatial.
Whatever.
That impression is correct. If you don't want spacial *at all* then you have to use gconf. If you don't mind some of your windows coming up spacially then you should be good to go.
The backlash precedes and is much more than these two articles. In almost every article about gnome 2.6 or nautilus there have been comments expressing a need for an option in the nautilus preferences. Unfortunately, some people are not constructive and others are rude while expressing their views. This has been happening since the change was made and is a result of the fact that people that used nautilus all this time were suddenly forced to change and given no obvious way to fix things. Since nautilus has historically been used in tree view, to change with no option given, ticked a lot of people off. I could understand if the change was trivial, like getting rid of the throbber, no need for an option outside of gconf for that. However, this changes the way people get their work done (It may make you more efficient, but not me) and even if I wanted to dip my toes into the spacial pool I shouldn't be forced to learn everything at once and I should be able to move between the two with ease.
So anyway, as far as I know, this ruckus has been good for nautilus because the needed changes have been made.
Now all I need is for nautilus to allow right click dnd for copying files.
It's only those religious/nostalgic enough to completely want to banish the spatial nautilus...
Well since I use a file manager everyday, then yes, I am, strictly speaking, religous about this. Nostalgic, nope. Maybe if I was an old school mac user then I would get nostalgic using spacial nautilus though.
What it comese down to is this. There are lots of people who don't like spacial nautilus because it doesn't work like they want to work. Given the amount of backlash there is towards the spacial environment I think that a check box in nautilus itself is reasonable.
I am information packed into 4 dimensional space. I want to be free.
I always thought you would be called the Hussies ;)
1.Stifling free and creative thought - Inquisition.
2.Corruption, Politics and the Anti-Popes - Great Schism
3.Crusade of 1420 - Hunting the "Heretics" - Great Schism
4.Taxation without representation - Forced Tithe
5.Not honoring the will of Jesus Christ their Lord - General
The list goes on and on, forced confessions, burning bones, and other weird ass shiat and they are all valid. I apologize for the sarcastic tone in number 5.
I think a lot of the unfortunate twists in European history are due to the Catholic church becoming so corrupt as to cause a reformation in the first place.
Anyone want to buy an indulgence?
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