We'll see. They made a big point of emphasizing the differences between CnR and other updaters. Why go to the trouble unless you're going to fight off the hounds later. CnR is an example where it is not a method that would be protected, but the actual code behind that method.
Certain things, like compression and encryption for example, are code methods, and should be shared for the greater good. However, if I code an easy to use compression program (for example, and yes, I know about this really neat program called gzip), why shouldn't I protect it? Who is to say that my right to protect my work is legislated into invalidity from the very start? If I want to share it, I will, simple as that. If I think there is a profit to be made, then who knows...maybe I won't. The point is that it should be left to me.
We are using these terms just a bit too loosely all the way around here. I like the idea that Bruce is taking a stand that he feels is in line with the OSS community. However, it would have been better if he had done the same as is suggesting others do and mail the lists first telling them what is about to go down. Freewheeling responses and open flamewars between party's claiming to be "right" is what the OSS community is trying to get away from. I wish the article had his credentials on the front end so we know who he is and why he feels he CAN rep OSS.
This is in no way a critique of his efforts on behalf of OSS, but like many here, I like to know why someone feels they can talk for me before I give the okay that they can. Just because Taco says "go here and be loud" does not mean I am going to.
Bruce's arguments are well thought out in the line of support of no software patents. However, that is a split issue even in OSS in some areas (look at Click and Run from Lindows). The strife is only beginning, and if the OSS community does not soon agree to open dialog, all of the progress made to this point may be for naught. Rational thought and conversations should be tools, not flames and accusations.
"Some users have it coming...I am just the delivery mechanism." -The BOfH
There is only oneproblem that I have with this take...
Companies TELL you that the phone is free as long as you are part of the plan for x amount of time. MS does no such thing, then freaks out when the hardware is modded. If MS had had a condition around it being subsidized hardware, then I think thier position would be more defendable, but as it stands right now without such, they just look like bullys.
Maybe there is something I am missing in the X-Box EULA...nah...
One would think that SCO has enough version control to know what they have, when they got it and where it came from. That would be assuming alot with them though.
Repeatedly over the past few days, they have provided a moving target as to what they they are claiming as thier IP. First it was IBM, then it was the OSS Linux community as a whole, and now they are saying it is the distros.
How typical. A bunch of dumbasses that could never have corperate direct now cannot even give thier litigation a sure direction for one day.
Note to SCO: Go back to drinking your Provo Girl beer, watching forest fires and making bad Linux distros. This is turing into a joke for you that you will NEVER recover come.
You will not own the community, you sure as hell won't IBM, and if I was IBM, I sure as would not want to purchase a company full of directionless assholes.
Give it up guys. All your linux are belong to us should not be anyone's mission statement.
"Lithuanian gutter weed or blunt from Portland...which do think the Blazers like?"
It would be much more exciting if MS would release something that was not for the masses to beta test. My company's beta with 2003 is going swell, and we only had to pay $499 for it. It does not run SQL, Exchange or other servers we would like it too, but hey LOOK AT THE PRETTY GUI!!! 8 crashes in 7 days and counting. I now await the 100 MB patch surely on the way from them.
SO dicussing a meaningless tech issue that directly related to our abilty to do our jobs and keep them so that we can pay taxes in first is a worthless pursuit.
Got it.
Now go back to screwing your sheep, drinking your cheap beer and smoking your Russian gutter weed.
"Bastard operators don't win...anyone can win...Bastard operators win and totally demoralize...that is REAL winning." -The BOFH
It does not take Scooby and the gang to figure out why this is occuring. If AOLTW is able to control thw who and where folk go, then MS and Disney are screwed.
Disney got nailed be the GO.bomb fiasco a few years ago, and they are just now getting back to the point of putting content back online. They HATE the idea of doing all of that work just to have AOLTW direct everyone away from it. MS is in the same boat, and with thier efforts on the hardware front, they would no like AOLTW dictating what hardware folk can buy from them. Oh, and what if AOLTW starts putting browser restrictions on content viewing. You how much Ms likes IE screwed with.
Strange bedfellows...for sure. But if it keeps the internet open and free, well that is a "good thing"...
Right?...damn, no what was that witty sig again?...
Chapter one, your first period...tell us all about it! Read the comment. I make that exact point, that one game does NOT make that much of a difference, but since the demise of Loki there have been NO GAMES except those developed on the Linux platform itself.
As far it losing out on the server side, most server side projects that I know of currently in development are Linux or BSD as thier base, not Windows, due to the high price of dealing with Redmond. You never know when MS will try to claim your idea as "thiers". No small Development shop will fight them, and all of the big ones are trying to switch internet appliance development to POSIX based platforms in order to avoid that situation.
In the grand scheama of things, no, one Windows games is not realy that inportant. However, it could open the way for others to follow should they chose. That is why it is looked upon as a positive.
The only constant in the universe is change. Some folk just don't like that...
With all of the comments about Linux catching up to Windows, there are still some front where there is very slow progress, gaming bieing one of them. This is a small step towards catching up, especially from an end user perspective. Remember, if we realy want to overtake the leader, we must do everything they do and do it better. While that might gall the "power users' out there, it is a fact of life none the less. Ms must be overwhelmed by a superior product before Linus is taken serisouly as a viable choice by the end user. WAR TUX!
Ativan...an lots of it...We here at/. would HATE to see ya blow a blood vessal before you hit an age of wisdom. So much time, so much of it wasted on the pursuit of nothingness. WAR GATORS!!!!
I swear, half the tech companies in Utah have the following plan: 1. Make lame software. 2. Whine until you get buyer. 3. Profit!!! Unless you have worked with or for some of the lameasses there, you would not realize that this is part of bussiness culture out there. SCO is the lamest of the buch, but a few others have done the same thing over the past few years, with about as much success. WAR TUX!!!
Just when you thought it was safe, you find out you cannot even go outside your own net.
Stuff like this is going to hasten a return to peer to peer dial-up services like we had in the early 90's. Stuff like this seriously gives me the creeps. Knowing that my business's and my private info can be tapped like that and by multiple agencies is just...
Stable in relation to the time invested. Useful...to someone (this is open to broad interpetation). It should have the goal of attaining at least as much funtionality as any of the software that it is replacing. Other examples of good OSS is squid, openoffice and, yes, even Linux (Red Hat 9 is least as functional as Win98SE, and that is just from an end user standpoint). Just my W.O. WAR TUX!!!
Everyone knows that spam comes from dusty tin cans that are from Iowa. "Is this heaven?" "No, it's a spam factory..." Do they even have broadband is Iowa?:)
The problem is that WINE is not a reverse engineer of Windows, but it is rather using the API calls from it's kernel to X-11 rather the Windows interface. That is why it is not emulation. As far as complaining about a EULA, how does not liking the terms of a EULA equate with a need to bitch about GPL? If I think that a EULA is harsh (such as one trying to claim all of my IP that is created with it as proprietary works) why can't I complain about it? The logic there is...not. The argument is not about MS being a for-profit company. Lots of for profit company's are out there other then Microsoft, and yet they cannot use the same kind of threats and tactics as MS can. But then again, I am not a MS publicist, so what the hell do I know... WAR GATORS!!!
Future content over the net is going to need a bigger pipe. Besides the fact that you watch this new content, having fiber into the homes and buisnesses will ensure that the town will have the bandwidth to serve up this type of content (think HDTV quality here folks). Beyond that, what could this do for students in your school system and the local college. Having the town wired with fiber will ensure that they have access to resources both now and in the future. Wireless LAN will catch up speed wise, and that could be used in schools for a very rich experience.
Then again, the abuse factor could be large. Any 14 year old guy with a penis and a brian will figure out how to serrve up the cheap porn he got off of Kaazaa to his buddys for a small fee. You might get a town full of wanna be pimps and then get shut down by the RIAA for too much file sharing. Seriously, how would your town like to be on the recieving end of the 97 billion dollar stick that they carry....
The lengths these people will go to just to get an ego boost. Xerox. Kleenex. PCI. In the end, they are the same cases, espcially with PCI. If you go out of your way to create a standard, and then get pissed when someone is using/tracking your standard, well. Very weak, will not stand up, if the guy has enough money for it to go that far. Note to any companies that create a standard and then go back trying to get money off of it. Remember...RAMBUS? 'nuff said.
Is it legal? Why not. I am more then sure that there are enought loopholes in the laws of whatever state/place they live that they could do this. Is it ethical. Hell no. The consumer must be informed. This has been a raging battle for years? Was Honeycomb the shape of fun? Hell no? Do I want my email being sold off to usa.net for them to spam my ass off? Hell no! So in the end, you have a company thinking they can get slick, will get hammered, will foce consumers away from from any solution they have for the next year, thereby limited partners willing to deal with them, thereby limiting revenue. Starvation is a shitty way to die. WAR TUX!
Great...so all a writer has to do to make a name for itself in the geek community is yell "LOSS OF PRIVACY! and they come running to see what it is and defending the piece. I just wish it was not so easy, but it is. Seriously folk, some measures to protect privacy need to be taken, but every single time you read about this on/. it is like someone taking a knife to a guys balls. Nice to see the write up saw that called the SFC out on it. I wish more were like him and took an honest look at internet use and how we need to balance out the commerce uses with it's awesome ability to share info. Please flame me. I am in a bad enough mood without having to put up with the "Everything should be free!!!!" rants. If yahoo is using a EULA to protect privacy for my stock transactions, then I like it. If they are using the EULA to track to my surfing habits (like every other ISP does not or cannot already) then to hell with them and hope they enjoyed sexwithrats.com. War having a brain.
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We'll see. They made a big point of emphasizing the differences between CnR and other updaters. Why go to the trouble unless you're going to fight off the hounds later. CnR is an example where it is not a method that would be protected, but the actual code behind that method.
Certain things, like compression and encryption for example, are code methods, and should be shared for the greater good. However, if I code an easy to use compression program (for example, and yes, I know about this really neat program called gzip), why shouldn't I protect it? Who is to say that my right to protect my work is legislated into invalidity from the very start? If I want to share it, I will, simple as that. If I think there is a profit to be made, then who knows...maybe I won't. The point is that it should be left to me.
"Thank you for coming...see you in hell!"
-Apu
We...
Us...
Them...
We are using these terms just a bit too loosely all the way around here. I like the idea that Bruce is taking a stand that he feels is in line with the OSS community. However, it would have been better if he had done the same as is suggesting others do and mail the lists first telling them what is about to go down. Freewheeling responses and open flamewars between party's claiming to be "right" is what the OSS community is trying to get away from. I wish the article had his credentials on the front end so we know who he is and why he feels he CAN rep OSS.
This is in no way a critique of his efforts on behalf of OSS, but like many here, I like to know why someone feels they can talk for me before I give the okay that they can. Just because Taco says "go here and be loud" does not mean I am going to.
Bruce's arguments are well thought out in the line of support of no software patents. However, that is a split issue even in OSS in some areas (look at Click and Run from Lindows). The strife is only beginning, and if the OSS community does not soon agree to open dialog, all of the progress made to this point may be for naught. Rational thought and conversations should be tools, not flames and accusations.
"Some users have it coming...I am just the delivery mechanism."
-The BOfH
There is only oneproblem that I have with this take...
Companies TELL you that the phone is free as long as you are part of the plan for x amount of time. MS does no such thing, then freaks out when the hardware is modded. If MS had had a condition around it being subsidized hardware, then I think thier position would be more defendable, but as it stands right now without such, they just look like bullys.
Maybe there is something I am missing in the X-Box EULA...nah...
One would think that SCO has enough version control to know what they have, when they got it and where it came from. That would be assuming alot with them though.
Repeatedly over the past few days, they have provided a moving target as to what they they are claiming as thier IP. First it was IBM, then it was the OSS Linux community as a whole, and now they are saying it is the distros.
How typical. A bunch of dumbasses that could never have corperate direct now cannot even give thier litigation a sure direction for one day.
Note to SCO: Go back to drinking your Provo Girl beer, watching forest fires and making bad Linux distros. This is turing into a joke for you that you will NEVER recover come.
You will not own the community, you sure as hell won't IBM, and if I was IBM, I sure as would not want to purchase a company full of directionless assholes.
Give it up guys. All your linux are belong to us should not be anyone's mission statement.
"Lithuanian gutter weed or blunt from Portland...which do think the Blazers like?"
Dude...The Transformers...DUH!!!! :)
Any of the BombBots that are used to recover harmful shiney object before they go boom should be in there.
It would be much more exciting if MS would release something that was not for the masses to beta test. My company's beta with 2003 is going swell, and we only had to pay $499 for it. It does not run SQL, Exchange or other servers we would like it too, but hey LOOK AT THE PRETTY GUI!!!
8 crashes in 7 days and counting. I now await the 100 MB patch surely on the way from them.
My Kaypro3 with it's 800BBS modem is much more secure. CPM is the BOMB!!!
Hmmmmmmmm.....
SO dicussing a meaningless tech issue that directly related to our abilty to do our jobs and keep them so that we can pay taxes in first is a worthless pursuit.
Got it.
Now go back to screwing your sheep, drinking your cheap beer and smoking your Russian gutter weed.
"Bastard operators don't win...anyone can win...Bastard operators win and totally demoralize...that is REAL winning."
-The BOFH
It does not take Scooby and the gang to figure out why this is occuring. If AOLTW is able to control thw who and where folk go, then MS and Disney are screwed.
...damn, no what was that witty sig again?...
Disney got nailed be the GO.bomb fiasco a few years ago, and they are just now getting back to the point of putting content back online. They HATE the idea of doing all of that work just to have AOLTW direct everyone away from it. MS is in the same boat, and with thier efforts on the hardware front, they would no like AOLTW dictating what hardware folk can buy from them. Oh, and what if AOLTW starts putting browser restrictions on content viewing. You how much Ms likes IE screwed with.
Strange bedfellows...for sure. But if it keeps the internet open and free, well that is a "good thing"...
Right?
Sweet, a bitter bitch!
Chapter one, your first period...tell us all about it! Read the comment. I make that exact point, that one game does NOT make that much of a difference, but since the demise of Loki there have been NO GAMES except those developed on the Linux platform itself.
As far it losing out on the server side, most server side projects that I know of currently in development are Linux or BSD as thier base, not Windows, due to the high price of dealing with Redmond. You never know when MS will try to claim your idea as "thiers". No small Development shop will fight them, and all of the big ones are trying to switch internet appliance development to POSIX based platforms in order to avoid that situation.
In the grand scheama of things, no, one Windows games is not realy that inportant. However, it could open the way for others to follow should they chose. That is why it is looked upon as a positive.
The only constant in the universe is change. Some folk just don't like that...
With all of the comments about Linux catching up to Windows, there are still some front where there is very slow progress, gaming bieing one of them. This is a small step towards catching up, especially from an end user perspective.
Remember, if we realy want to overtake the leader, we must do everything they do and do it better. While that might gall the "power users' out there, it is a fact of life none the less. Ms must be overwhelmed by a superior product before Linus is taken serisouly as a viable choice by the end user.
WAR TUX!
Ativan...an lots of it...We here at /. would HATE to see ya blow a blood vessal before you hit an age of wisdom. So much time, so much of it wasted on the pursuit of nothingness.
WAR GATORS!!!!
I swear, half the tech companies in Utah have the following plan:
1. Make lame software.
2. Whine until you get buyer.
3. Profit!!!
Unless you have worked with or for some of the lameasses there, you would not realize that this is part of bussiness culture out there. SCO is the lamest of the buch, but a few others have done the same thing over the past few years, with about as much success.
WAR TUX!!!
Or what, you'll sue?
/. have to sue itself?
With all the dupes, would
WAR TUX!!!
Just when you thought it was safe, you find out you cannot even go outside your own net.
Stuff like this is going to hasten a return to peer to peer dial-up services like we had in the early 90's. Stuff like this seriously gives me the creeps. Knowing that my business's and my private info can be tapped like that and by multiple agencies is just...
Say it all together now...
Evil.
War 1984...not...
Stable in relation to the time invested.
Useful...to someone (this is open to broad interpetation).
It should have the goal of attaining at least as much funtionality as any of the software that it is replacing.
Other examples of good OSS is squid, openoffice and, yes, even Linux (Red Hat 9 is least as functional as Win98SE, and that is just from an end user standpoint).
Just my W.O.
WAR TUX!!!
Everyone knows that spam comes from dusty tin cans that are from Iowa. :)
"Is this heaven?"
"No, it's a spam factory..."
Do they even have broadband is Iowa?
The problem is that WINE is not a reverse engineer of Windows, but it is rather using the API calls from it's kernel to X-11 rather the Windows interface. That is why it is not emulation.
As far as complaining about a EULA, how does not liking the terms of a EULA equate with a need to bitch about GPL? If I think that a EULA is harsh (such as one trying to claim all of my IP that is created with it as proprietary works) why can't I complain about it? The logic there is...not. The argument is not about MS being a for-profit company. Lots of for profit company's are out there other then Microsoft, and yet they cannot use the same kind of threats and tactics as MS can.
But then again, I am not a MS publicist, so what the hell do I know...
WAR GATORS!!!
Future content over the net is going to need a bigger pipe. Besides the fact that you watch this new content, having fiber into the homes and buisnesses will ensure that the town will have the bandwidth to serve up this type of content (think HDTV quality here folks). Beyond that, what could this do for students in your school system and the local college. Having the town wired with fiber will ensure that they have access to resources both now and in the future. Wireless LAN will catch up speed wise, and that could be used in schools for a very rich experience.
Then again, the abuse factor could be large. Any 14 year old guy with a penis and a brian will figure out how to serrve up the cheap porn he got off of Kaazaa to his buddys for a small fee. You might get a town full of wanna be pimps and then get shut down by the RIAA for too much file sharing. Seriously, how would your town like to be on the recieving end of the 97 billion dollar stick that they carry....
War Tux!
The lengths these people will go to just to get an ego boost.
Xerox. Kleenex. PCI. In the end, they are the same cases, espcially with PCI. If you go out of your way to create a standard, and then get pissed when someone is using/tracking your standard, well. Very weak, will not stand up, if the guy has enough money for it to go that far.
Note to any companies that create a standard and then go back trying to get money off of it. Remember...RAMBUS?
'nuff said.
Is it legal? Why not. I am more then sure that there are enought loopholes in the laws of whatever state/place they live that they could do this.
Is it ethical. Hell no. The consumer must be informed. This has been a raging battle for years? Was Honeycomb the shape of fun? Hell no? Do I want my email being sold off to usa.net for them to spam my ass off? Hell no!
So in the end, you have a company thinking they can get slick, will get hammered, will foce consumers away from from any solution they have for the next year, thereby limited partners willing to deal with them, thereby limiting revenue.
Starvation is a shitty way to die.
WAR TUX!
Great...so all a writer has to do to make a name for itself in the geek community is yell "LOSS OF PRIVACY! and they come running to see what it is and defending the piece. I just wish it was not so easy, but it is. /. it is like someone taking a knife to a guys balls. Nice to see the write up saw that called the SFC out on it. I wish more were like him and took an honest look at internet use and how we need to balance out the commerce uses with it's awesome ability to share info.
Seriously folk, some measures to protect privacy need to be taken, but every single time you read about this on
Please flame me. I am in a bad enough mood without having to put up with the "Everything should be free!!!!" rants. If yahoo is using a EULA to protect privacy for my stock transactions, then I like it. If they are using the EULA to track to my surfing habits (like every other ISP does not or cannot already) then to hell with them and hope they enjoyed sexwithrats.com.
War having a brain.
Gives a new definition to a non-tech downloading some brownware after seeing an estimate.
Go ahead, mod me down....it's been a long day.
How the hell did you get a camera in a Slinky? The R and D for that must have been a real bitch.
War the Spy Wars!