of making themselves unpopular... poison pet food, tons of recalled lead based painted toys etc etc
chinese recall -- search pulls 600k results, here's a few of the first ones listed:
bad tires http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11433244
shit at starbucks http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/10/starbucks-china-recalls-markets-equity-cx_ml_1010markets29.html
lead-based ink on fortune cookies (funny/deadly) http://isophorone.blogspot.com/2007/11/chinese-recall-fortune-cookies.html
a few haphazardly chosen selections, i'm sure there are many more, and its amazing that as soon as shit like this happens the executives either "kill themselves" or are executed openly and yet the shit continues.. accidents? greed? the chinese think in decades, americans think in seconds.
China is the biggest threat the world and the us and
this is absolutely true, i live in indianapolis, there are no other choices here and their terms and customer service are absolutely atrocious (and i work customer service myself). they are extremely arrogant, they know they're the only game in town, dsl here is a joke.
oh and ps, if you cancel your subscription and site price as the reason theyw ill offer you a discount but you have to have a CC to subscribe that way and i only buy the cards as i have no bank account, i'm sure it requires more hoop jumping, i just canceled despite the protests of the crying animated orc, that's right tehy can't even get a real person to try to talk you out of quitting the game you paid a minimum of $60 to play for a month.
the worst part about WoW is the absolutely hellacious customer service and abysmal downtime, 8 hours minimum a week (and always on my day off, tuesday), usually more with patches and the random downtime is ridiculous, it's too much for them being individual servers and not all linked the way they try to advertise it is that you'r ein a big pool with 10 mil others but the servers have a cap at like 50 or 60,000 and most have far less than that.
$20 for account, $40 for expansion, $15 a month after first month which came wiht $20 game.. you can get a trial disk for like $1 or $2 which you can patch into a full game, the expansion is flagged on your accoutn and can be redownloaded to upgrade any other account you log in with.
of course none of those are release prices, the $20 account used to be $50 and stayed that way for a long time, expansion was $50 stayed that way for a long time.. they're about to release another one which i suspect will drive quite a few people off, as previously stayed the lowest level item in the expansion will be better than epic gear from the last one; as this is what they did first time around (and its clear to see as old world epics go for very low prices in the auction house, especially compared to outladns ones)
i reactivated my account, the reason? nothing else out there, and i don't have a bank account and i can get teh prepaid cards easily and the sys reqs are still low enough to play on my 3.8ghz p4 w/ nvidia 6600 gt.. some of you people forget not everyone has the money or the desire to plunk down $4k on new hardware every year to play shit like age of conan beta etc.
i think you will see a lot of people leave WoW when there is something comparable, if you spend some time reading abotu the MMORPG genre you will find quite a dearth of decent choices, most things appear to be half-baked attempts at fleecing early adopters and praying for something like that wildfire take off of WoW to boost them.
the one thing i've noticed about WoW vs any other game i've played is that it seems to brin gin a lot o f people who aren't gamers, ie people who don't play anything else or have never played anything else whose friends get them to try and they sign up to stay social.
i've heard teenagers in game bitch that they only way they can keep theri friends is to play.
who used to work there (10 years ago) i can tell you that this has been along time coming, yes they were somewhat overpriced on a lot of items but the worst thing was pissing people of with being out of the advertised specials as many people have pointed out
what i've not seen mentioned is that this was done on purpose, at least at the store where i worked at (indianapolis) i worked at the parts counter selling harddrives/ram/whatever and they would put out massive ads for ram that was like half retail price but they would only stock maybe 5 or 6 sticks (which i often bought all of myself;P) and it was bsaically just used as a device to get people in the store.
on top of that they had a rampant theft problem, i worked there during high school and while i wasn't part of the group i knew about 10 people who were organized in stealing shit from the store and reselling it to their friends, that group expanded until they were eventually caught but even then they worked out a deal with some kind of minor fine and returning all the shit that they knew was missing (a fraction of the actual), that went on for at least a year that i'm aware of.
compusa has alwasy had a better selection adn lower prices than the likes of circuit city though (at least around here), so i am kind of surprised to see them closing down, they moved out of free standing buildings and into a nearby strip mall here cause the rent was too high on the land they were on (someone once told me it was like $30,000 a month or more and they supposedly owned the building)
i'm almost certain teh last nail in the coffin of the one here has to be Fry's even though its further away frys has an obscene amount of shit at far lower prices than anyone else around here (hardware specifically) and they finally made it out here, and when they did no one i knnow who builds their own machines goes anywhere else (myself included).
just in creating terror, and guess who has the resources and the time on your dollar to be doing this shit? anymore of-fucking-course-they-abused-their-new-spy-power fbi/cia/hsa/tla of the week story?
would that include London the most heavily surveillance oriented city in the western world? the city wehre they are working on launching UAV's for spying on regular citizens in addition to a billion and 9 cameras on every corner? Don't get me wrong, the US sucks it hard for spying, hell they even asked teh postal service to read your mail for "suspicious" activity but afiak there are no bastions of personal freedom in Europe short of the Dutch
since when was a> the world fair or b> everyone in a large geopolitical area the fucking same
obviously there is variation even in the people who vote for one side or the other, thing is they still voted even if they dont' agree with everything that hte candidate they voted for says they're, at least in theory, supposed to agree with most of it (bullshit).
actually i could give a fuck about the red-state vs blue-state bullshit, i just mentioned it off hand that's what everyone focused on, fucktards.
i dont' vote since NO ONE represents my views except hte libertarians and they're often locked out of debates etc. (minus the bluegray alien presidential guy)
both the democrats and republicans are idiots with interchangeable views and in case you haven't noticed the last several presidents have all been on the same team, in the same fraternities and hang out with one another even though they're supposedly on opposite sides of the fence.
Eli Lilly is evil which is why i dumped their stock, fuck them twice. most republicans here just vote a straight ballot every time, how do i know? because my father is one and i was a pollster for him as a kid.
the world i live in is a steaming pile of shit thanks to teh greed you support with your votes, *internet* but since you;re a woman you're already wrong */internet*
first off, i have lived in cincinnati which is actually the dirtiest place i've ever been but since it was only for 2 years i don't count it, as for the rest i'm an avid, voracious reader both online and off and i talk to plenty of people worldwide, i'm not a fox-news dittohead
try working a shit-stain low wage job without insurance constantly being harassed by the cops for being poor and maybe you'd be a prick too (fuck you).
this is a red state people, they care about money, jesus, nascar and guns here; Mitch Daniels (current governor) is almost certainly behind this as he has been behind every other major retarded deal to net himself favor and money with the rich assholes here (aka selling out all our toll roads to foreign companies and contracting ot build new ones which they will own forever after paying some fee).
this doesn't surprise in teh least, he's also behind the attempts to mirror new york's city wide smoking bans on virtually everything (hint: we have a fuck of a lot of smokers here, probably more than average, no i'm not one of them however i'm surprised that in a republican state where republicans are supposedly for less gov't involvement in everything shit like this flies every time)
he's pro-roadblock checkpoints etc etc
life in naptown sucks, anyone whose not from here is always trying to go back home and most of hte (smart?) people from here leave or try to (they're always bitching about the "brain drain" here, they actually think this will be some tech mecca and have been trying to cement that position for awhile now, HELLO Chicago ain't that far, but they dont' care)
in addition to these they make no effort to keep the large manufacturing jobs open etc, and tout a handful of high level investment jobs as some massive coup that will save us all while thousands of people here get laid off who dont' have a degree and healthcare is virtually unavailable and gas prices continue to skyrocket well over national averages (which Daniel's shot down an investigation into, ps this is one of the only states in teh nation that had actual sanctions against gas stations post 9/11 because on that day some stations were selling gas at $5-7/gal for panic profit - while I'm sure GWB would approve some angry people somewhere did not.)
this country sucks worse every day and this city (indianapolis) and the state are focused, concentrated microcosm.
this is clearly not a fair test, no one installs rootkits on virgin installs, also giving a small set of laptops means they have a much larger chance of just guessing which one even if they're wrong from their analysis, and if the rootkit is the only thing that is on it besides an OS how hard would that be to find? look at the file access dates? with no other software installed this should be trivially easy to find.
now if they wanted to test on an E-machine.. which already comes pre-loaded with malware to wehre they'd have to actually look for blue pill code.. that might be a little more balanced and realistic since virtually all consumer pc's have some form of virus or malware as people have no clue what it is or what it does and they like their animated mouse icon even if it's stealing their CC#'s for african nationals.
Mr. Bigelow who is a billionaire hotel mogul, is also a personal friend of Art Bell from Coast to Coast AM (if you've never heard of it, it's the highest rated late night radio talk show with affiliates world wide), and interviewed him prior to this launch on his show about what he intends to do and the probability of success. The ideas he espoused were essentially luxury vacations in space eventually going for mass market appeal that everyone could afford over time (something in line with an ocean cruise) after the prices come down enough by the super rich going first.
I know that C2C is not popular here and gets all kinds of shit talked about it but I thought I'd point out that they were first (as they have been with many other national news stories which then occasionally leak into the main stream).
but not the people in management; they tend not to think unless it involves their stock options, and the status quo is fuck the world show me the money.
the elimination of destitution, poverty and slavery? you obviously never tried to support yourself at or anywhere near the minimum wage.
ps the industrialization of food brought you mcdonalds and million of deadly chemicals in everything you eat approved by the gov't thanks to corporate lobbyists.. his point is well taken, quality always sucks when something is scaled up, it's a fact; whether it's the service at your drive-thru or hospital doesn't matter. dehumanizing and mechanizing the daily life of most people (most people are still essentially cogs in the various corporate machines they work for, about as worth as much to them as a tire on your car, probably less)has far worse consequences than most of you fortune 500 stockholders could possibly be willing to admit.
you are right even if it's unpopular, and i'd mod you up if i had the points cause that's not a troll and some jackass just doesn't agree with you (probably someone employed by a facist corporation as the majority of people here likely are)
Slashdot Mirror
no mod points ;/
of making themselves unpopular... poison pet food, tons of recalled lead based painted toys etc etc
.. accidents? greed? the chinese think in decades, americans think in seconds.
chinese recall -- search pulls 600k results, here's a few of the first ones listed:
bad tires
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11433244
shit at starbucks
http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/10/starbucks-china-recalls-markets-equity-cx_ml_1010markets29.html
lead-based ink on fortune cookies (funny/deadly)
http://isophorone.blogspot.com/2007/11/chinese-recall-fortune-cookies.html
a few haphazardly chosen selections, i'm sure there are many more, and its amazing that as soon as shit like this happens the executives either "kill themselves" or are executed openly and yet the shit continues
China is the biggest threat the world and the us and
this is absolutely true, i live in indianapolis, there are no other choices here and their terms and customer service are absolutely atrocious (and i work customer service myself). they are extremely arrogant, they know they're the only game in town, dsl here is a joke.
no I didn't rtfa, but what *real* college student has $10k sitting around to spend on ANYTHING.
seriously.
and the answer is obvious: because you dont' know any better
you're preaching ot the choir here
oh and ps, if you cancel your subscription and site price as the reason theyw ill offer you a discount but you have to have a CC to subscribe that way and i only buy the cards as i have no bank account, i'm sure it requires more hoop jumping, i just canceled despite the protests of the crying animated orc, that's right tehy can't even get a real person to try to talk you out of quitting the game you paid a minimum of $60 to play for a month.
the worst part about WoW is the absolutely hellacious customer service and abysmal downtime, 8 hours minimum a week (and always on my day off, tuesday), usually more with patches and the random downtime is ridiculous, it's too much for them being individual servers and not all linked the way they try to advertise it is that you'r ein a big pool with 10 mil others but the servers have a cap at like 50 or 60,000 and most have far less than that.
$20 for account, $40 for expansion, $15 a month after first month which came wiht $20 game.. you can get a trial disk for like $1 or $2 which you can patch into a full game, the expansion is flagged on your accoutn and can be redownloaded to upgrade any other account you log in with.
of course none of those are release prices, the $20 account used to be $50 and stayed that way for a long time, expansion was $50 stayed that way for a long time.. they're about to release another one which i suspect will drive quite a few people off, as previously stayed the lowest level item in the expansion will be better than epic gear from the last one; as this is what they did first time around (and its clear to see as old world epics go for very low prices in the auction house, especially compared to outladns ones)
i reactivated my account, the reason? nothing else out there, and i don't have a bank account and i can get teh prepaid cards easily and the sys reqs are still low enough to play on my 3.8ghz p4 w/ nvidia 6600 gt.. some of you people forget not everyone has the money or the desire to plunk down $4k on new hardware every year to play shit like age of conan beta etc.
i think you will see a lot of people leave WoW when there is something comparable, if you spend some time reading abotu the MMORPG genre you will find quite a dearth of decent choices, most things appear to be half-baked attempts at fleecing early adopters and praying for something like that wildfire take off of WoW to boost them.
the one thing i've noticed about WoW vs any other game i've played is that it seems to brin gin a lot o f people who aren't gamers, ie people who don't play anything else or have never played anything else whose friends get them to try and they sign up to stay social.
i've heard teenagers in game bitch that they only way they can keep theri friends is to play.
does that count as double jeopardy? i'm not a lawyer, i am a Fidelity customer, i don't appreciate my shit being sold to spammers or whoever else.
waspleg
who used to work there (10 years ago) i can tell you that this has been along time coming, yes they were somewhat overpriced on a lot of items but the worst thing was pissing people of with being out of the advertised specials as many people have pointed out
;P) and it was bsaically just used as a device to get people in the store.
what i've not seen mentioned is that this was done on purpose, at least at the store where i worked at (indianapolis) i worked at the parts counter selling harddrives/ram/whatever and they would put out massive ads for ram that was like half retail price but they would only stock maybe 5 or 6 sticks (which i often bought all of myself
on top of that they had a rampant theft problem, i worked there during high school and while i wasn't part of the group i knew about 10 people who were organized in stealing shit from the store and reselling it to their friends, that group expanded until they were eventually caught but even then they worked out a deal with some kind of minor fine and returning all the shit that they knew was missing (a fraction of the actual), that went on for at least a year that i'm aware of.
compusa has alwasy had a better selection adn lower prices than the likes of circuit city though (at least around here), so i am kind of surprised to see them closing down, they moved out of free standing buildings and into a nearby strip mall here cause the rent was too high on the land they were on (someone once told me it was like $30,000 a month or more and they supposedly owned the building)
i'm almost certain teh last nail in the coffin of the one here has to be Fry's even though its further away frys has an obscene amount of shit at far lower prices than anyone else around here (hardware specifically) and they finally made it out here, and when they did no one i knnow who builds their own machines goes anywhere else (myself included).
waspleg
just in creating terror, and guess who has the resources and the time on your dollar to be doing this shit? anymore of-fucking-course-they-abused-their-new-spy-power fbi/cia/hsa/tla of the week story?
would that include London the most heavily surveillance oriented city in the western world? the city wehre they are working on launching UAV's for spying on regular citizens in addition to a billion and 9 cameras on every corner? Don't get me wrong, the US sucks it hard for spying, hell they even asked teh postal service to read your mail for "suspicious" activity but afiak there are no bastions of personal freedom in Europe short of the Dutch
since when was a> the world fair or b> everyone in a large geopolitical area the fucking same
obviously there is variation even in the people who vote for one side or the other, thing is they still voted even if they dont' agree with everything that hte candidate they voted for says they're, at least in theory, supposed to agree with most of it (bullshit).
actually i could give a fuck about the red-state vs blue-state bullshit, i just mentioned it off hand that's what everyone focused on, fucktards.
i dont' vote since NO ONE represents my views except hte libertarians and they're often locked out of debates etc. (minus the bluegray alien presidential guy)
both the democrats and republicans are idiots with interchangeable views and in case you haven't noticed the last several presidents have all been on the same team, in the same fraternities and hang out with one another even though they're supposedly on opposite sides of the fence.
Eli Lilly is evil which is why i dumped their stock, fuck them twice. most republicans here just vote a straight ballot every time, how do i know? because my father is one and i was a pollster for him as a kid.
the world i live in is a steaming pile of shit thanks to teh greed you support with your votes, *internet* but since you;re a woman you're already wrong */internet*
first off, i have lived in cincinnati which is actually the dirtiest place i've ever been but since it was only for 2 years i don't count it, as for the rest i'm an avid, voracious reader both online and off and i talk to plenty of people worldwide, i'm not a fox-news dittohead
try working a shit-stain low wage job without insurance constantly being harassed by the cops for being poor and maybe you'd be a prick too (fuck you).
come to the southside, people burn shit here nearly every day, and there are plenty of rusty cars if you want i can take pictures and post them.
this is a red state people, they care about money, jesus, nascar and guns here; Mitch Daniels (current governor) is almost certainly behind this as he has been behind every other major retarded deal to net himself favor and money with the rich assholes here (aka selling out all our toll roads to foreign companies and contracting ot build new ones which they will own forever after paying some fee).
this doesn't surprise in teh least, he's also behind the attempts to mirror new york's city wide smoking bans on virtually everything (hint: we have a fuck of a lot of smokers here, probably more than average, no i'm not one of them however i'm surprised that in a republican state where republicans are supposedly for less gov't involvement in everything shit like this flies every time)
he's pro-roadblock checkpoints etc etc
life in naptown sucks, anyone whose not from here is always trying to go back home and most of hte (smart?) people from here leave or try to (they're always bitching about the "brain drain" here, they actually think this will be some tech mecca and have been trying to cement that position for awhile now, HELLO Chicago ain't that far, but they dont' care)
in addition to these they make no effort to keep the large manufacturing jobs open etc, and tout a handful of high level investment jobs as some massive coup that will save us all while thousands of people here get laid off who dont' have a degree and healthcare is virtually unavailable and gas prices continue to skyrocket well over national averages (which Daniel's shot down an investigation into, ps this is one of the only states in teh nation that had actual sanctions against gas stations post 9/11 because on that day some stations were selling gas at $5-7/gal for panic profit - while I'm sure GWB would approve some angry people somewhere did not.)
this country sucks worse every day and this city (indianapolis) and the state are focused, concentrated microcosm.
this is clearly not a fair test, no one installs rootkits on virgin installs, also giving a small set of laptops means they have a much larger chance of just guessing which one even if they're wrong from their analysis, and if the rootkit is the only thing that is on it besides an OS how hard would that be to find? look at the file access dates? with no other software installed this should be trivially easy to find.
.. which already comes pre-loaded with malware to wehre they'd have to actually look for blue pill code.. that might be a little more balanced and realistic since virtually all consumer pc's have some form of virus or malware as people have no clue what it is or what it does and they like their animated mouse icon even if it's stealing their CC#'s for african nationals.
now if they wanted to test on an E-machine
Mr. Bigelow who is a billionaire hotel mogul, is also a personal friend of Art Bell from Coast to Coast AM (if you've never heard of it, it's the highest rated late night radio talk show with affiliates world wide), and interviewed him prior to this launch on his show about what he intends to do and the probability of success. The ideas he espoused were essentially luxury vacations in space eventually going for mass market appeal that everyone could afford over time (something in line with an ocean cruise) after the prices come down enough by the super rich going first.
I know that C2C is not popular here and gets all kinds of shit talked about it but I thought I'd point out that they were first (as they have been with many other national news stories which then occasionally leak into the main stream).
but not the people in management; they tend not to think unless it involves their stock options, and the status quo is fuck the world show me the money.
waspleg
old? highschool? do you work in an office?
waspleg
the elimination of destitution, poverty and slavery? you obviously never tried to support yourself at or anywhere near the minimum wage.
.. his point is well taken, quality always sucks when something is scaled up, it's a fact; whether it's the service at your drive-thru or hospital doesn't matter. dehumanizing and mechanizing the daily life of most people (most people are still essentially cogs in the various corporate machines they work for, about as worth as much to them as a tire on your car, probably less)has far worse consequences than most of you fortune 500 stockholders could possibly be willing to admit.
ps the industrialization of food brought you mcdonalds and million of deadly chemicals in everything you eat approved by the gov't thanks to corporate lobbyists
waspleg
what is serenity? why isn't anyone talking about Dune or something else that is probably 100x better?
waspleg
this is how presidents are elected; thanks for showing why it doesn't work.
waspleg
you are right even if it's unpopular, and i'd mod you up if i had the points cause that's not a troll and some jackass just doesn't agree with you (probably someone employed by a facist corporation as the majority of people here likely are)
waspleg