Why is it that every time someone uses the word "experience" with respect to windows that a little red flag goes up in my mind with the phrase "MS Troll" on it?
A lot of them, who had no idea about OSS or Unix, are actually using Fink, Apache, PHP, MySQL etc. And I haven't seen any of them compain about it yet.
I don't know if it's me but everytime I see an article on OSS by ESR or RS, it seems as if a horde of pro MS droids suddenly pop out of the woodwork and start laying propaganda en masse against OSS in the typical market speak of the MS marketing department as is evidenced by the poster further down and his Microsoft Windows(TM). On an OSX forum I discovered someone last night who was trolling in almost exactly the same manner.
I assume marketing types who work for MS are taught right at the beginning to always be respectful to Mr.Gates , the company and the products in public and this shows in their postings.
Why MS goes to this effort to discredit OSS as much as it does is strange, IMO, because I imagine that it must cost them an awful lot of money in the long run for dubious benefit as I don't see many people falling for it and it almost always seems to backfire on them and yet they don't seem to be capable of learning. I magine if they spent their money instead on making good software instead.
I don't always or often agree with ESR or RS and I don't think Linux is going to be taking over the desktop in the near future, but I think that perhaps the poster further down who posted on how programmers can make money with OSS should perhaps look at the other side of the coin and that is that a closed company, has to spend an innordinate amount of money on marketing, as shown by the many MS anti-OSS campaigns and dead letter writers etc that OSS doesn'thave to as OSS marketing is done by word of mouth. On top of that a completely closed shop has to permanently fear the competition and I can't imagine that being fearful is in anyway productive or effective.
It has some real bugs that can be show stoppers and is glacially slow on my 333Mhz Powerbook but it is an amazing achievment. Apple has taken an amazing OS -OpenStep - designed a very advanced windowing system on top of it from scratch , designed a complete legacy compatibility API and system, and all this in three years (four now). They have proven themselves to be receptive to issues in general (with some notable exceptions such as the ppp bug).
I suspect that OSX will only improve with time as both optimisations, bug fixes, new features and faster hardware will make most of the present complaints a thinkg of the past.
Of course, that is not to say that those who complain now won't be able to find something to complain about then.
I am looking forward to my new TiPowerBook and my new job as a Mac System Admin.
Why bother posting anything here when every time I try to post an intelligent post with an inkling ofthought behind it, it get's a score of 0? It seems to me when I just looked at my posting record that when I was insulting or cynical to others that I got modded higher.
I have a poor theory or analogy: The rise of communism was driven by the exploitation of workers in the 19th century. Would communism not have a good second chance given that big corporations and their lawyers exploit everything and everyone for money? The huge rise of the anti-globalisation movement - enormous demonstrations everytime the bosses get together to discuss their spheres of influence - and the public waking up - even if only momentarily - after the enron scandal do start to raise the question as to when that will spread to the software world.
The same most operating system users think. I.E. They buy whatever they think is normal/fast/cheap and what is in the shop. AMD uses this opportunity because when Joe Normal goes into the shop and sees PC Nr.1 with a sticker that say "2000+ @ $800" and PC Nr.2 with a sticker that says "2000P4 @ $900" they buy PC Nr.1. It's as simple as that and has nothing whatsoever to do with which PC is faster. It works whether Intel pays the Pope or not.
What would the costs have been like? This is not your average my_Mac_is_better_than_your_ass post. It's an honest question? Considering that every mac comes with a free IDE which supports Java, C, C++ and ObjC and that they hook up fine in a Linux server environment, would the costs of redeveloping the 120+ applications have been?
I suspect that it's because companies are by nature trying to get as much profit as possible. This includes, I think, in their view, possible monies to be made off software licences etc. I agree that it does nothing for the atmosphere at work and is a genuine product of capitalistic greed and tight competition being the only driving force for a company which dehumanizes the workforce.
I don't think that capitalism without checks is a good idea. This only encourages workers to become depersonalized and disinterested in their work.
Iwould assume that this sort of thing will only drive open source developers into releasing their work clandestinely which again proves the point of the above poster.
It really does a lot more for international understanding if you actually try to speak to people when you go abroad. You might learn something and make some friends.
I am honestly surprised to see all these vindictive, envious anti-Russian statements here. Does it matter who makes it? Does it matter that it's not American? Most of the rest of the world sort of assumed the cold war was over. That is, until the American government started "leaking" plans to target Russia et al. It really does seem as if some overpatriotic Americans get confused when not faced with a clear cut enemy and are then forced by inner anguish to make one up.
Just when the hero is bleeding and beaten and about to go down and has been betryed by his friends, along come the cavallry, lover, reinforcements and the day is saved.
In Europe there is, thank God, a thing called roaming. Most telco's have agreements with one another to host calls from and to phones from other telcos. what this means, is that due to GSM (and GPRS and soon UMTS) all over the world (with the exception of a notable country) I can take my phone which has a chip and contract with Swisscom here in Switzerland and use it , without swapping chips or any such crap, in every single other European country, most of Asia, Australia, Africa and South America. The calls cost more, but it is a real mobile dream - just switch on and call, whereever you are.
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Why is it that every time someone uses the word "experience" with respect to windows that a little red flag goes up in my mind with the phrase "MS Troll" on it?
A lot of them, who had no idea about OSS or Unix, are actually using Fink, Apache, PHP, MySQL etc. And I haven't seen any of them compain about it yet.
Strange, because I'm posting this in Mozilla 0.99 on Mac OSX after IE crapped out yet once again.
I don't know if it's me but everytime I see an article on OSS by ESR or RS, it seems as if a horde of pro MS droids suddenly pop out of the woodwork and start laying propaganda en masse against OSS in the typical market speak of the MS marketing department as is evidenced by the poster further down and his Microsoft Windows(TM). On an OSX forum I discovered someone last night who was trolling in almost exactly the same manner.
I assume marketing types who work for MS are taught right at the beginning to always be respectful to Mr.Gates , the company and the products in public and this shows in their postings.
Why MS goes to this effort to discredit OSS as much as it does is strange, IMO, because I imagine that it must cost them an awful lot of money in the long run for dubious benefit as I don't see many people falling for it and it almost always seems to backfire on them and yet they don't seem to be capable of learning. I magine if they spent their money instead on making good software instead.
I don't always or often agree with ESR or RS and I don't think Linux is going to be taking over the desktop in the near future, but I think that perhaps the poster further down who posted on how programmers can make money with OSS should perhaps look at the other side of the coin and that is that a closed company, has to spend an innordinate amount of money on marketing, as shown by the many MS anti-OSS campaigns and dead letter writers etc that OSS doesn'thave to as OSS marketing is done by word of mouth. On top of that a completely closed shop has to permanently fear the competition and I can't imagine that being fearful is in anyway productive or effective.
It has some real bugs that can be show stoppers and is glacially slow on my 333Mhz Powerbook but it is an amazing achievment. Apple has taken an amazing OS -OpenStep - designed a very advanced windowing system on top of it from scratch , designed a complete legacy compatibility API and system, and all this in three years (four now). They have proven themselves to be receptive to issues in general (with some notable exceptions such as the ppp bug).
I suspect that OSX will only improve with time as both optimisations, bug fixes, new features and faster hardware will make most of the present complaints a thinkg of the past.
Of course, that is not to say that those who complain now won't be able to find something to complain about then.
I am looking forward to my new TiPowerBook and my new job as a Mac System Admin.
is this - http://phreshness.com/photos/2002_Yoga/ - what one looks like after a day at work for microsoft?
in your equation?
I thought the new Macperl runs in OSX?
Why bother posting anything here when every time I try to post an intelligent post with an inkling ofthought behind it, it get's a score of 0? It seems to me when I just looked at my posting record that when I was insulting or cynical to others that I got modded higher.
I have a poor theory or analogy: The rise of communism was driven by the exploitation of workers in the 19th century. Would communism not have a good second chance given that big corporations and their lawyers exploit everything and everyone for money? The huge rise of the anti-globalisation movement - enormous demonstrations everytime the bosses get together to discuss their spheres of influence - and the public waking up - even if only momentarily - after the enron scandal do start to raise the question as to when that will spread to the software world.
Do average PC buyers care?
The same most operating system users think. I.E. They buy whatever they think is normal/fast/cheap and what is in the shop. AMD uses this opportunity because when Joe Normal goes into the shop and sees PC Nr.1 with a sticker that say "2000+ @ $800" and PC Nr.2 with a sticker that says "2000P4 @ $900" they buy PC Nr.1. It's as simple as that and has nothing whatsoever to do with which PC is faster. It works whether Intel pays the Pope or not.
What are you doing so far from MacNN?
Also what does a P2P thingy have to do with a 25 Euro blowjob and having a smoke in a coffee shop?
What do they speak in Holland, MI?
As spoken by a true mongoloid.
I don't think that all that excessive.
What would the costs have been like? This is not your average my_Mac_is_better_than_your_ass post. It's an honest question? Considering that every mac comes with a free IDE which supports Java, C, C++ and ObjC and that they hook up fine in a Linux server environment, would the costs of redeveloping the 120+ applications have been?
In the USA you can get sentenced to death even though you're a minor yet you can't code for an operating system.
Anyone remember the film "Logan's run"?
I suspect that it's because companies are by nature trying to get as much profit as possible. This includes, I think, in their view, possible monies to be made off software licences etc. I agree that it does nothing for the atmosphere at work and is a genuine product of capitalistic greed and tight competition being the only driving force for a company which dehumanizes the workforce.
I don't think that capitalism without checks is a good idea. This only encourages workers to become depersonalized and disinterested in their work.
Iwould assume that this sort of thing will only drive open source developers into releasing their work clandestinely which again proves the point of the above poster.
It really does a lot more for international understanding if you actually try to speak to people when you go abroad. You might learn something and make some friends.
I am honestly surprised to see all these vindictive, envious anti-Russian statements here. Does it matter who makes it? Does it matter that it's not American? Most of the rest of the world sort of assumed the cold war was over. That is, until the American government started "leaking" plans to target Russia et al. It really does seem as if some overpatriotic Americans get confused when not faced with a clear cut enemy and are then forced by inner anguish to make one up.
Anonymous Microsoft employee
Just when the hero is bleeding and beaten and about to go down and has been betryed by his friends, along come the cavallry, lover, reinforcements and the day is saved.
Well if you lived in Europe you'ld already have this in the form of GSM and Roaming.
In Europe there is, thank God, a thing called roaming. Most telco's have agreements with one another to host calls from and to phones from other telcos. what this means, is that due to GSM (and GPRS and soon UMTS) all over the world (with the exception of a notable country) I can take my phone which has a chip and contract with Swisscom here in Switzerland and use it , without swapping chips or any such crap, in every single other European country, most of Asia, Australia, Africa and South America. The calls cost more, but it is a real mobile dream - just switch on and call, whereever you are.