You have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Kevin did all of this back when the internet was still in its infancy. Back then there wasn't this vast sea of information script kiddies can just search for and dig up. If you wanted to crack, you had to figure it out by yourself. No doubt. He was one of the best crackers out there. His deeds were evil but he was a good cracker.
I see a lot of people just jumping on this issue without thinking things through. Many think the admin SHOULD notify the consumers asap.
Now let me throw some wrenches into this quick conclusion:
- How do you know FOR SURE data was stolen? How about in cases when the sysadmin is only 10% sure, or 100% sure but 100% wrong because of an error in judgement or misunderstanding?
- And if the admin mis-fires and causes the company sales to die, how responsible is he for the financial/reputation loss to the company?
- What if an evil or disgruntled sysadmin wanted to kill the company? He can use purposeful bad judgement or assumptions and contact customers, telling them their cc information has been stolen.
The sysadmins should ONLY be obligated to inform their boss of the possibility of a breach. Once he does that the rest of the liability should be with the higher-ups. There's no need for an admin to feel quilty.
Look, we all want what's best for us. But there are just some things that aren't that simple. There's a give and take. The burden of such things shouldn't be with the admins.
I think democracy will slowly creep in to China. With each passing leader will come reform. People are not stupid.
Now the question is, do they want to let it explode and cause chaos or a complete revolution, or do they want to let it ease into the culture slowly.
Of course, if you're in favor of China breaking up into pieces like the USSR, you'll think of ways to cause an explosive revolution. If you care about peace and love, you'll let them ease into it. Push them but don't shove.
Excuse me? The last time I checked a whole lot of English-speaking Americans were for Napster and piracy. Heck that whole concept was created in the Good Ol' US of A!
Intellectual property needs to be protected fully. We want to fully encourage not only the creation of ideas, but also the sharing of them.
However, I think copyrights are over-bearing. Patents can only be extended for 20 years. The same should be of copyrights. 20 years. That's it. Afterwards anyone who uses it must give credit to you, but won't have to pay you. That is fair.
Our incompetent government entity, the one they call the Justice Department, needs to be severely delt with. Can't believe they want to settle with M$. Can they see that M$ has NOT changed one bit? The ONLY way to teach M$ to behave is to serve them with a punishment that teaches them NOT to continue doing this sort of thing. So far all I see is M$ thumbing its nose at the U.S. government saying "screw you".
Let the punishment fit the crime. If I hear another god damn "settlement" proposal from the government I'm gonna go crazy!
Amen to that! The leeching mentality of the internet needs to be slapped and woken up to the world or reality. Just like how people pay for magazines, now online sites like GP are charging. Personally I think it's more than worth it. Compare the features you get for a magazine vs. what you get for an entire online archive with pictures, videos, demos, etc.
Well, then, I suppose you will march to your nearest RIAA/MPAA office and "turn in" your VCR, casette recorders, and PC sound cards...
All those devices are used for piracy, aren't they? It doesn't matter that they have legit uses, right?
I use my VCR mostly for watching rental videos and for taping shows if I have to miss it. I don't use it for mass piracy.
I don't use a tape cassette so don't know what your case is there.
PC sound cards? What's that gotta do with piracy?
But the main point is, look at bnet as a whole. 90%+ is used for no other purpose than to circumvent battle.net's authentication system so one can play unlicensed video games.
VCRs, cassette tapes, and pc sound cards have many many more uses, unlike bnet.
Why can't you guys post a story without having the put that extra spin and insult on everything? This community seems to be full of communist idealists.
"Kind of like arresting someone because they might get in a car accident 10 years down the road."
That's a whole boat load of bull and you know it. Do you not dispute the fact that bnet is overwhelmingly being used to play unlicensed games? Why are you talking about *MIGHT* and the "little guy"? It's not a *MIGHT* it's *OVERWHELMINGLY* and it's not the "little guy" it's "MASS THUGERY".
I see lots and lots of individuals act just as "evil" as those big big corporations we keep hearing about. They care not about fairness, only about what they can get away with or bully someone out of. It doesn't matter the software was created by someone else. Hey it's mine now muahahahaha...
I hear lots of whining going on, but look at it this way. If people weren't so bent on ripping mp3's and sharing them with the rest of the world through the popuplar p2p piracy network, would they have done this? NO.
And attacking Celine Dion? What does she have to do with it? She is under contract with the record labels. They can make or break a musician. It's not like she has a real choice either.
Didn't they fine this company from Australia tons of money for registering www.internic.com a few years ago? That company was charging like $100 for 2 years of domain registration, which was more than the $70 from NSI.
Well now it's NSI's turn to get wacked. You can't have it both ways, expecting to punish www.internic.com and get away with tricking other domain name registrants.
But 802.11b drains battery power like a whorehouse draining a pervert's wallet. You're lucky if a pda can last even 15 minutes running that protocol. Hence bluetooth...
And then the buffalo wings fell to the ground as little Jimmy rushed to type in his very first post to a topic he didn't even bother to read. The buffalo wing, covered in red hot sauce, stained his shirt, his pants, his foot, and his carpet... all that mess just for a stupid post that's sure to be modded down as offtopic.
Needless to say, Jimmy quickly picks up the buffalo wing, looks at it, shrugs, and starts chewing on the damn fowl, carpet fibers, toe jam, and dust mites in all.
As for his shirt, pants and carpet, little Jimmy, after clicking on that "submit" button, rushes to the bathroom to get a bucket of water and a cloth. He carries the heavy bucket of h2o back to his computer seat and starts wiping away the residues. Unbeknownst to him, he had accidentally clicked the "preview" button instead of the "submit" button.
Seconds followed by minutes pass by with his stupid "I posted first" reply just sitting there, idling like George W Bush's mind. Finally when Jimmy has done wiping and licking the stains from his almost-dupont carpet, he looks up and WHAM! realizes the failure of his/. submission.
Reacting to his pure instincts, little Jimmy lifts up his right hand in an effort to get to that mouse... as if he still had a fat chance of getting to that elusive first post.
But of course, as luck would have it, in his moment of near triumph, Jimmy accidentally hits the bucket with his right hand and knocks the water on to his precious computer case.
Electricity and sparks flow. Jimmy gets fried like a piece of buffalo wing and dies a horrible death, convulsing for one full minute before his limp body falls over backwards into his chair and that poster of Bea Arthur.
Moral of the story: Don't ever read an offtopic article till you're blue in the face, because there are a few more hundreds just sitting there for you. Look at the time you've just wasted out of your miserable life!
I know the first instint is to say the patent is bogus, but you have to remember, Amazon came out with it first. It's obvious now sure... but they were the first ones to innovate and come up with this neat idea.
It's like if someone invented the wheel and patented it. Sure it looks so damn obvious today, but was it so obvious before it was invented?
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You sound like a freaking moron you know that sir? Get a clue on life. Get off the internet. We don't need your leeching ass.
You have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Kevin did all of this back when the internet was still in its infancy. Back then there wasn't this vast sea of information script kiddies can just search for and dig up. If you wanted to crack, you had to figure it out by yourself. No doubt. He was one of the best crackers out there. His deeds were evil but he was a good cracker.
I see a lot of people just jumping on this issue without thinking things through. Many think the admin SHOULD notify the consumers asap.
Now let me throw some wrenches into this quick conclusion:
- How do you know FOR SURE data was stolen? How about in cases when the sysadmin is only 10% sure, or 100% sure but 100% wrong because of an error in judgement or misunderstanding?
- And if the admin mis-fires and causes the company sales to die, how responsible is he for the financial/reputation loss to the company?
- What if an evil or disgruntled sysadmin wanted to kill the company? He can use purposeful bad judgement or assumptions and contact customers, telling them their cc information has been stolen.
The sysadmins should ONLY be obligated to inform their boss of the possibility of a breach. Once he does that the rest of the liability should be with the higher-ups. There's no need for an admin to feel quilty.
Look, we all want what's best for us. But there are just some things that aren't that simple. There's a give and take. The burden of such things shouldn't be with the admins.
The more people cheat, the less people want to play games, and the more productive their lives will be.
Yeah that's good right?
I think democracy will slowly creep in to China. With each passing leader will come reform. People are not stupid.
Now the question is, do they want to let it explode and cause chaos or a complete revolution, or do they want to let it ease into the culture slowly.
Of course, if you're in favor of China breaking up into pieces like the USSR, you'll think of ways to cause an explosive revolution. If you care about peace and love, you'll let them ease into it. Push them but don't shove.
Excuse me? The last time I checked a whole lot of English-speaking Americans were for Napster and piracy. Heck that whole concept was created in the Good Ol' US of A!
Yeah screw logic and objectivity right? Whatever furthers your cause is good correct?
NOT
Intellectual property needs to be protected fully. We want to fully encourage not only the creation of ideas, but also the sharing of them.
However, I think copyrights are over-bearing. Patents can only be extended for 20 years. The same should be of copyrights. 20 years. That's it. Afterwards anyone who uses it must give credit to you, but won't have to pay you. That is fair.
Our incompetent government entity, the one they call the Justice Department, needs to be severely delt with. Can't believe they want to settle with M$. Can they see that M$ has NOT changed one bit? The ONLY way to teach M$ to behave is to serve them with a punishment that teaches them NOT to continue doing this sort of thing. So far all I see is M$ thumbing its nose at the U.S. government saying "screw you".
Let the punishment fit the crime. If I hear another god damn "settlement" proposal from the government I'm gonna go crazy!
Amen to that! The leeching mentality of the internet needs to be slapped and woken up to the world or reality. Just like how people pay for magazines, now online sites like GP are charging. Personally I think it's more than worth it. Compare the features you get for a magazine vs. what you get for an entire online archive with pictures, videos, demos, etc.
Tell me if this just ain't worth it.
Hmmm interesting... 90%+ of the people who us bnet are using it to play pirate copies of games, to circumvent the CD-Key validation altogether...
And then they're doing it against Blizzard's copyrights...
All of that just so a "few" can play on the local lan?
Sure... and the Holocaust never happened too right? Who are you guys fooling but yourselves?
Well, then, I suppose you will march to your nearest RIAA/MPAA office and "turn in" your VCR, casette recorders, and PC sound cards...
All those devices are used for piracy, aren't they? It doesn't matter that they have legit uses, right?
I use my VCR mostly for watching rental videos and for taping shows if I have to miss it. I don't use it for mass piracy.
I don't use a tape cassette so don't know what your case is there.
PC sound cards? What's that gotta do with piracy?
But the main point is, look at bnet as a whole. 90%+ is used for no other purpose than to circumvent battle.net's authentication system so one can play unlicensed video games.
VCRs, cassette tapes, and pc sound cards have many many more uses, unlike bnet.
It's just like the /. community to mod down a post that they don't agree with. The above post ain't no flamebait. Geeez...
Why can't you guys post a story without having the put that extra spin and insult on everything? This community seems to be full of communist idealists.
"Kind of like arresting someone because they might get in a car accident 10 years down the road."
If you're that good you deserve to be hired, unlike the 99.9% of the users of that software, who do nothing but use it for illegal activities.
That's a whole boat load of bull and you know it. Do you not dispute the fact that bnet is overwhelmingly being used to play unlicensed games? Why are you talking about *MIGHT* and the "little guy"? It's not a *MIGHT* it's *OVERWHELMINGLY* and it's not the "little guy" it's "MASS THUGERY".
Ditto to THAT!
I see lots and lots of individuals act just as "evil" as those big big corporations we keep hearing about. They care not about fairness, only about what they can get away with or bully someone out of. It doesn't matter the software was created by someone else. Hey it's mine now muahahahaha...
Lamerz abound everywhere.
Blame it on the 99% of the other rippers who are nothing but leeching pirates. Don't blame the record companies from wanting to protect themselves.
I hear lots of whining going on, but look at it this way. If people weren't so bent on ripping mp3's and sharing them with the rest of the world through the popuplar p2p piracy network, would they have done this? NO.
And attacking Celine Dion? What does she have to do with it? She is under contract with the record labels. They can make or break a musician. It's not like she has a real choice either.
Didn't they fine this company from Australia tons of money for registering www.internic.com a few years ago? That company was charging like $100 for 2 years of domain registration, which was more than the $70 from NSI.
Well now it's NSI's turn to get wacked. You can't have it both ways, expecting to punish www.internic.com and get away with tricking other domain name registrants.
But 802.11b drains battery power like a whorehouse draining a pervert's wallet. You're lucky if a pda can last even 15 minutes running that protocol. Hence bluetooth...
I like to tiqit up the ass.
And then the buffalo wings fell to the ground as little Jimmy rushed to type in his very first post to a topic he didn't even bother to read. The buffalo wing, covered in red hot sauce, stained his shirt, his pants, his foot, and his carpet... all that mess just for a stupid post that's sure to be modded down as offtopic.
/. submission.
Needless to say, Jimmy quickly picks up the buffalo wing, looks at it, shrugs, and starts chewing on the damn fowl, carpet fibers, toe jam, and dust mites in all.
As for his shirt, pants and carpet, little Jimmy, after clicking on that "submit" button, rushes to the bathroom to get a bucket of water and a cloth. He carries the heavy bucket of h2o back to his computer seat and starts wiping away the residues. Unbeknownst to him, he had accidentally clicked the "preview" button instead of the "submit" button.
Seconds followed by minutes pass by with his stupid "I posted first" reply just sitting there, idling like George W Bush's mind. Finally when Jimmy has done wiping and licking the stains from his almost-dupont carpet, he looks up and WHAM! realizes the failure of his
Reacting to his pure instincts, little Jimmy lifts up his right hand in an effort to get to that mouse... as if he still had a fat chance of getting to that elusive first post.
But of course, as luck would have it, in his moment of near triumph, Jimmy accidentally hits the bucket with his right hand and knocks the water on to his precious computer case.
Electricity and sparks flow. Jimmy gets fried like a piece of buffalo wing and dies a horrible death, convulsing for one full minute before his limp body falls over backwards into his chair and that poster of Bea Arthur.
Moral of the story: Don't ever read an offtopic article till you're blue in the face, because there are a few more hundreds just sitting there for you. Look at the time you've just wasted out of your miserable life!
And how about the folks that insist they use Napster ONLY to download songs they own? I think the exaggeration goes both ways...
I know the first instint is to say the patent is bogus, but you have to remember, Amazon came out with it first. It's obvious now sure... but they were the first ones to innovate and come up with this neat idea.
It's like if someone invented the wheel and patented it. Sure it looks so damn obvious today, but was it so obvious before it was invented?