Problems with Firefox, DRM, not cross platform, relys heavily on Microsoft technologies (directX). How would you like to see everyone building everything that you see in Flash except suddenly it requires a directX driver to load? Well being on a mac, you can't load it becaue directx is only for Windows.
It's another lockin application; they reel ou away from flash and lock you in to Windows.
Indeed couldn't agree with you more. But most people make it clear on their resumes that they work on an open source project and thats one of the reasons why people hire them; either because they use the project, because the project enabled them to look at the developers code and get a good idea of their skill or because it shows initiative.
Few employers will hire someone working on an open source project without being aware of it unless you start one while on the job and then you do so at your own risk. I have talked to people who have been hired BECAUSE the employer uses their code or project or has tinkered with it. I have yet to see someone who has ever been fired for working on an open source project unless they have tried to start it while on the job and it directly conflicted with the business of the employer.
That's true; couldn't agree more. But I was only responding to the response of 'open source != money' which is a blatant misconception that closed source companies like to spread as FUD.
You are assuming that's ones ONLY source of income again which was the original authors incorrect assumption. Open source is often a 'side income' for most where their main job supplies the majority of income and the open source income supplies a tidy side income; the job supports the open source project of course usually but if it doesn't, the LIST of things (publishing, support, installation, training, etc) are all various ways that open source projects make money... no one singular way.
Again, you have to think like an entrepeneur as every open source project that wants to make money will be doing.
Well I don't know of any open source developers who are hungry or live in basements. In fact they are VERY well paid; they work on their open source projects as part of their job (sponsored by their employer) or in their spare time (hobby,cash on the side). As for not making money, it's only when you look at it from a TRADITIONAL model. Every developer can make money if they want once they become a contributor to a project. They can write a book on the project, they can expend the project, they can start a support company for the project, they can do training or installing of the project, etc etc.
This is why we don't live in basements and are successful. We see more than one answer and more than one way to make money. Tfrue entrepeneurs realize this and don't just sit on their ass and whine about open source tealing their glory; they realize that open source is the new market and adapt to the changing market.
Perhaps you will realize this when you come out of your parents basement.
Just because the engineers response happens to be one that you may disgree with 'religiously' should not impair your ability as an engineer to agree that it makes a better choice for a lowend outdated machine. Attempting to fit a modern, bloated OS with poor security and modern drivers requirements to an outdated machine is not only dumb but childish in assuming that one OS fits all.
Had the option been 'what OS should I use on a modern machine to connect to my other office PC's?' I would probably suggest Windows or Mac unless they happened to BE a developer. But in this case, I would say Linux is the best engineering choice. So get off your high horse and start thinking like an engineer.
Yeah but that would be one damn stylish vest I'll bet
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Tinyworld was popular by alot of people at Carnegie Mellon and the Univ of Northern Iowa and we had a bit of an exchange program. We even talked an english teacher into teacher class online. We started a school organization to police ourselves so we didnt hog all the universities resources for students who needed them but the university still considered it a game and when they found out that we had found a loophole in the student organization charter to get around them kicking people out for using computers for MUDDING, they called me (the president of the org) before the school board). I took the opportunity to give a presentation on how MUDDing was an example of the internet and how the internet would allow people from across the world to connect. I showed them how we were able to exchange files and ideas and how one teacher had taught a class online. Afterward, they were so impressed that I didn't get kicked out of school and instead they put a million dollars more funding into the information/computer sciences programs (which at that time was what they considered it to fall under).
Like so many, you like to assume that security guards don't watch alot of TV and somehow are all idiot savantes in their spare time. Wait, who am I kidding, you're just kidding yourself.
I think that it may be zealotry and bigotry that remain the downfalls of Mac, Linux, Unix,etc...
How convenient you named all the ones based upon open platforms (yes BSD is fairly open) but left out something that remains to open anything. Psychologically, when someone closes a door in front of you and says 'No Blanks allowed' isn't that considered bigotry?? But you seem to apply it to those who open the door and say, 'everyone allowed'. I don't think you understand the word bigotry sir and should probably take a long look in the mirror.
True, it's every person who cannot overcome personal feelings to look at the real issue. For both of those. But in this case, It's specific to the forum and the people who most often choose to flame here; For open source advocates, Slashdot is their territory and Microsoft people often come here just to bash. Some are less agressive, some more devious (ie I use said open source tool all the time but I a friend introduced me to said Microsoft tool and now I am an instant Microsoft tool) and others are true engineers who understand that Microsoft tools have their uses and open source tools have their uses and truly wish that Microsoft would work with the other development communities to be more cross platform as well.
To those few engineers within the Microsoft fold, I salute you for still retaining you engineering instincts. Everyone else, I deride and laugh.
Agreed. The web is meant to be cross platform and Microsoft keeps trying to tie the web to ther OS or their BROWSER or their TOOLS (which then tie back to their BROWSER which ties back to their OS). This is why people are anti Microsoft because Microsoft is anti-open and 'anti-cross platform'. Everytime they make the motion to be cross platform, they ruin it by tying it in to something else or exploiting it or making it obsolete. They can't just leave something open and cross platform. This is why people are suspicious that the have never accepted the GPL or any other truly open license.
Well in one sentence above, someone asserts that everyone has seen CSI and knows that 'hackers' use shell prompts and that using a shell prompt will get you arrested. But when asserting that everyone has seen a shell prompt and knows that computer professionals use them, you assert they have not. So which is it? The CSI argument or that they have not? You can't have it both ways. Either everyone airport security guard watches TV or they don't.
Everyone has seen a shell prompt and knows that computer professionals use it. If you tell them you are a developer, system administrator, etc. They don't even want to HEAR you talking over their heads. You obviously know more about that machine than them and they send you on your way.
My apologies. Badly formed sentence. It may only work on Mac but Macs work well with all platforms. I learned this after switching. I can easily interface with my Ubuntu desktop, Debian servers, Windows network, printers, play media files, etc. It's practically the perfect medium between Windows and Linux. Sure I have to give up a little FOSS but I support it elsewhere. Just because I use one Mac machine to develop on doesn't mean I don't use FOSS on that Mac or have other Linux boxes.
If you can point to something else that works as well, I'll definitely give it a shot but I tried myself to find FOSS alternatives but they just don't exist... not this robust anyway.
Well I agree. You do have a point. That was the original specification. But people who are unaware of Macs and think iChat is only an IM app may not be aware of how good of a collaboration tool it is above all others that actual cost. I think the post above yours put it best by saying that the sofwatre was free it just requires a software (and hardware) dongle.:)
Still my point was to offer to a fellow developer an app that has been really helpful in bringing telecommuting developers together to coloborate. It may only work with Mac but it works well with all platforms.
Well depends on your priority. For me, having a decent portable environment that was easily compatible with all environments was very crucial. Good development tools, easy communication amongst teammates, etc. If that is not a priority in the longrun, then yes, I'd say don't spend the money. It was my team mates that tipped me over to 'the Mac side' and I still run most of my FOSS tools on it (Eclipse, OpenOffice, Gimp, etc) but the communication and collaboration tools were DEFINITELY something that enabled me to telecommute and interact with my teammates like no other platform or software package allowed.
So, mark me as a troll (even though I'm stil saying that FOSS will replace this) but for now, this IS the best tool on the market that's FREE for collaboration. It just happens to be tied to the Mac OS.
Well... you gotta comprimise. I have looked for a FOSS app that does everything iChat does and it just doesn't exist. There are some 'half-implemented' Jabber efforts which do it via a browser with Flash and are buggy but nothing that comes close to this good of a finished product. Honestly I do connect to most of my Linux boxes via shell anyway and with Bootcamp/VMWare, you can install Windows if you have to.
It may be proprietary but Apple has turned out to be the best portable environment for the developers at the last couple jobs I have been at; it's the reason I got one because all the java devs at my last job used Macbook Pros and they were able to telecommute and interface more easily than the Windows or Linux members of the team.
I love FOSS but this is where I drop it... when a good product makes me pay for it.
But then again, this is where FOSS's strength is; in finding these products that rely on a platform and replacing them with an open version.
My coworker is often out of the country and I need to work on code with him. We use iChat to share documents and workspace to work on code at the same time and share ideas. It has voice and video as well. I highly recommend this to everyone who has to telecommute.
Dude... that's not an icon. Thats an actual photo! Him and Ballmer run over children on the weekend in their 'cube' shouting 'DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS'! Watch out for that things photon chair-pedoes!
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Problems with Firefox, DRM, not cross platform, relys heavily on Microsoft technologies (directX). How would you like to see everyone building everything that you see in Flash except suddenly it requires a directX driver to load? Well being on a mac, you can't load it becaue directx is only for Windows.
It's another lockin application; they reel ou away from flash and lock you in to Windows.
Indeed couldn't agree with you more. But most people make it clear on their resumes that they work on an open source project and thats one of the reasons why people hire them; either because they use the project, because the project enabled them to look at the developers code and get a good idea of their skill or because it shows initiative.
Few employers will hire someone working on an open source project without being aware of it unless you start one while on the job and then you do so at your own risk. I have talked to people who have been hired BECAUSE the employer uses their code or project or has tinkered with it. I have yet to see someone who has ever been fired for working on an open source project unless they have tried to start it while on the job and it directly conflicted with the business of the employer.
That's true; couldn't agree more. But I was only responding to the response of 'open source != money' which is a blatant misconception that closed source companies like to spread as FUD.
You are assuming that's ones ONLY source of income again which was the original authors incorrect assumption. Open source is often a 'side income' for most where their main job supplies the majority of income and the open source income supplies a tidy side income; the job supports the open source project of course usually but if it doesn't, the LIST of things (publishing, support, installation, training, etc) are all various ways that open source projects make money... no one singular way.
Again, you have to think like an entrepeneur as every open source project that wants to make money will be doing.
Well I don't know of any open source developers who are hungry or live in basements. In fact they are VERY well paid; they work on their open source projects as part of their job (sponsored by their employer) or in their spare time (hobby,cash on the side). As for not making money, it's only when you look at it from a TRADITIONAL model. Every developer can make money if they want once they become a contributor to a project. They can write a book on the project, they can expend the project, they can start a support company for the project, they can do training or installing of the project, etc etc.
This is why we don't live in basements and are successful. We see more than one answer and more than one way to make money. Tfrue entrepeneurs realize this and don't just sit on their ass and whine about open source tealing their glory; they realize that open source is the new market and adapt to the changing market.
Perhaps you will realize this when you come out of your parents basement.
Well then his blackberry ought to do.
Just because the engineers response happens to be one that you may disgree with 'religiously' should not impair your ability as an engineer to agree that it makes a better choice for a lowend outdated machine. Attempting to fit a modern, bloated OS with poor security and modern drivers requirements to an outdated machine is not only dumb but childish in assuming that one OS fits all.
Had the option been 'what OS should I use on a modern machine to connect to my other office PC's?' I would probably suggest Windows or Mac unless they happened to BE a developer. But in this case, I would say Linux is the best engineering choice. So get off your high horse and start thinking like an engineer.
You think thats funny? the sad fact is most mac fans would never use them because they love them too much.
The windows suicide vest would require 3 car batteries and would sometime just blow off your arm.
The linux suicide vest can run off a potato but requires a rocket scientist in order to put on.
Yeah but that would be one damn stylish vest I'll bet
Tinyworld was popular by alot of people at Carnegie Mellon and the Univ of Northern Iowa and we had a bit of an exchange program. We even talked an english teacher into teacher class online. We started a school organization to police ourselves so we didnt hog all the universities resources for students who needed them but the university still considered it a game and when they found out that we had found a loophole in the student organization charter to get around them kicking people out for using computers for MUDDING, they called me (the president of the org) before the school board). I took the opportunity to give a presentation on how MUDDing was an example of the internet and how the internet would allow people from across the world to connect. I showed them how we were able to exchange files and ideas and how one teacher had taught a class online. Afterward, they were so impressed that I didn't get kicked out of school and instead they put a million dollars more funding into the information/computer sciences programs (which at that time was what they considered it to fall under).
Either the name of the next rock band or a new video game... honestly, I'm hoping for the video game.
Like so many, you like to assume that security guards don't watch alot of TV and somehow are all idiot savantes in their spare time. Wait, who am I kidding, you're just kidding yourself.
How convenient you named all the ones based upon open platforms (yes BSD is fairly open) but left out something that remains to open anything. Psychologically, when someone closes a door in front of you and says 'No Blanks allowed' isn't that considered bigotry?? But you seem to apply it to those who open the door and say, 'everyone allowed'. I don't think you understand the word bigotry sir and should probably take a long look in the mirror.
True, it's every person who cannot overcome personal feelings to look at the real issue. For both of those. But in this case, It's specific to the forum and the people who most often choose to flame here; For open source advocates, Slashdot is their territory and Microsoft people often come here just to bash. Some are less agressive, some more devious (ie I use said open source tool all the time but I a friend introduced me to said Microsoft tool and now I am an instant Microsoft tool) and others are true engineers who understand that Microsoft tools have their uses and open source tools have their uses and truly wish that Microsoft would work with the other development communities to be more cross platform as well.
To those few engineers within the Microsoft fold, I salute you for still retaining you engineering instincts. Everyone else, I deride and laugh.
Agreed. The web is meant to be cross platform and Microsoft keeps trying to tie the web to ther OS or their BROWSER or their TOOLS (which then tie back to their BROWSER which ties back to their OS). This is why people are anti Microsoft because Microsoft is anti-open and 'anti-cross platform'. Everytime they make the motion to be cross platform, they ruin it by tying it in to something else or exploiting it or making it obsolete. They can't just leave something open and cross platform. This is why people are suspicious that the have never accepted the GPL or any other truly open license.
Well in one sentence above, someone asserts that everyone has seen CSI and knows that 'hackers' use shell prompts and that using a shell prompt will get you arrested. But when asserting that everyone has seen a shell prompt and knows that computer professionals use them, you assert they have not. So which is it? The CSI argument or that they have not? You can't have it both ways. Either everyone airport security guard watches TV or they don't.
Everyone has seen a shell prompt and knows that computer professionals use it. If you tell them you are a developer, system administrator, etc. They don't even want to HEAR you talking over their heads. You obviously know more about that machine than them and they send you on your way.
Once at a shell prompt they quickly lose interest.
Give it like the elevator speech. Pretend you are pitching a movie idea to a film exec or talking to a CEO. Both have the IQ's of fourth graders.
My apologies. Badly formed sentence. It may only work on Mac but Macs work well with all platforms. I learned this after switching. I can easily interface with my Ubuntu desktop, Debian servers, Windows network, printers, play media files, etc. It's practically the perfect medium between Windows and Linux. Sure I have to give up a little FOSS but I support it elsewhere. Just because I use one Mac machine to develop on doesn't mean I don't use FOSS on that Mac or have other Linux boxes.
If you can point to something else that works as well, I'll definitely give it a shot but I tried myself to find FOSS alternatives but they just don't exist... not this robust anyway.
Well I agree. You do have a point. That was the original specification. But people who are unaware of Macs and think iChat is only an IM app may not be aware of how good of a collaboration tool it is above all others that actual cost. I think the post above yours put it best by saying that the sofwatre was free it just requires a software (and hardware) dongle. :)
Still my point was to offer to a fellow developer an app that has been really helpful in bringing telecommuting developers together to coloborate. It may only work with Mac but it works well with all platforms.
Well depends on your priority. For me, having a decent portable environment that was easily compatible with all environments was very crucial. Good development tools, easy communication amongst teammates, etc. If that is not a priority in the longrun, then yes, I'd say don't spend the money. It was my team mates that tipped me over to 'the Mac side' and I still run most of my FOSS tools on it (Eclipse, OpenOffice, Gimp, etc) but the communication and collaboration tools were DEFINITELY something that enabled me to telecommute and interact with my teammates like no other platform or software package allowed.
So, mark me as a troll (even though I'm stil saying that FOSS will replace this) but for now, this IS the best tool on the market that's FREE for collaboration. It just happens to be tied to the Mac OS.
Well... you gotta comprimise. I have looked for a FOSS app that does everything iChat does and it just doesn't exist. There are some 'half-implemented' Jabber efforts which do it via a browser with Flash and are buggy but nothing that comes close to this good of a finished product. Honestly I do connect to most of my Linux boxes via shell anyway and with Bootcamp/VMWare, you can install Windows if you have to.
It may be proprietary but Apple has turned out to be the best portable environment for the developers at the last couple jobs I have been at; it's the reason I got one because all the java devs at my last job used Macbook Pros and they were able to telecommute and interface more easily than the Windows or Linux members of the team.
I love FOSS but this is where I drop it... when a good product makes me pay for it.
But then again, this is where FOSS's strength is; in finding these products that rely on a platform and replacing them with an open version.
My coworker is often out of the country and I need to work on code with him. We use iChat to share documents and workspace to work on code at the same time and share ideas. It has voice and video as well. I highly recommend this to everyone who has to telecommute.
Dude... that's not an icon. Thats an actual photo! Him and Ballmer run over children on the weekend in their 'cube' shouting 'DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS'! Watch out for that things photon chair-pedoes!