You are talking about building small scripts and tools. Things they send newbies to do. Things a seasoned developer doesn't have time for and that they give to someone to either A) get them out of the way or B) get them used to the tools so they can move on to the next script monkey task.
Is that development? Sure in the same way that welding a panel to the space shuttle makes you a rocket scientist. But trying to act like you 'KNOW' they languages you just used when you just tinkered in them isn't the same thing. Would you call someone who knows SQL a DBA? Would you call someone who jumps from language to language and just tinkers in them a developer? Hardly. 90% of the time, what you built got rewritten or trashed.
No... I'd call them a moron. I've been approached by these recruiters when I was a lead for a department. The people they give us are not trained in what they want them to be trained in. We have a set of tools and applications that they need to know to be able to ramp up and start helping out as soon as possible, the less they know, the longer the time it takes them to ramp up.
Saying 'a good developer should be able to pick up a new language' is like saying 'a good sys admin should be able to pick up a new operating system'. Doesnt make any sense. Syntax may change, techniques may change, libraries are different... you are a newborn all over again. The only people I have heard this from are managers and marketing people who have an agenda and NEVER from a knowledgable developer as they all know it takes time to learn new syntax and new libraries and techniques.
You are a naive newbie if you honestly believe that it is that simple and cut and dried.
Well I'm a LAMP developer and have never touched.NET but get offers for VB and.NET positions all the time too. So what's your point?? Recruiters are morons.
Also, China blocks domains nas well in their firewall. We want to be doing the same for all IP's and domains coming from China. Thats not the same thing, it's the reverse and China doesn't do it for all domains and IP's coming from any one country. We would want to do it for all IP's coming from V=China (couldn't do it for domains as that's too vague).
No they don't. They 'filter' content. Totally different thing. Blocking an IP going out of China and coming into your location vs blocking content coming from an IP going into China are two different things.
And while we are at it, block all Chinese IP's from reaching outside their borders. The problems though may be 'fake' routers. It is believed the Chinese government manufactured fake Cisco routers and got them in several places to bypass locations should a blocking attempt be made in the future.
Twitter is in a hold pattern as to whether they are going to replace Ruby altogether. Not a raving endorsement. Yellowpages uses other technologies besides Ruby so again, not an endorsement. And 37signals has the same issues that Twitter has but with half the traffic (according to the developers).
But the question wasn't 'why are people just not excited about Ruby?', the question was 'why would a consumer want to download both of these to get something to work?' The average consumer has never heard of either and while Microsoft can prebundle Silverlight in a download as an optional install and HOPE people install it, they have yet to state that they are going to start installing Ruby through their network. So it hardly is a replacement for Java in any sense; scalability, speed or consumer availability.
I think the people at 37signals said it best when they said 'http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch04_Scale_Later.php>Worry about scaling later when you need to'... which explains so much of why Ruby is having the problems it now has.
You CAN do it but few do. You can store things using SESSION, use query caching, store your environment in a DB rather than XML, and other techniques. Unfortunately, when you do that all the other framework developers spit on you because it's not 'TRUE MVC'. I myself built an MVC framework for the web that uses an extendable MODEL so methods are never repeated, stores the environment in a database rather than XML and caches the users state in sessions and a few other tricks including being able to serve up XUL and PHP web apps separately.
On a 2.6 GHZ with 1GB of RAM I can get serve 25000 requests in 9 seconds. So, it can be done but scalability and speed have to be your priorities in design.
Microsoft has built alot of great tools and products but I fail to see how hitching their failing Silverlight product to an overly hyped language whose golden days are now over is such a great idea. Al the CEO's and developers who jumped on the Ruby bandwagon are quickly abandoning it and Silverlight has gailed to even make a dent in Flash's market share. How are either of these going to help each other? Why would the consumer want to be forced to download both of these things?
Where do the Chinese people get their food? What water goes into their farms? Do you think ecosystems are onedimensional in China? Do you think just because the government pollutes the rivers and lakes that it does not effect the land? They pollute the land as well.
But again, you seem perfectly happy to excuse the Chinese government for dooming generations to come to disease and birth defects. You seem perfectly happy to justify their lack of concern for their people until the eyes of the world are upon them. You seem to share their heartless desire for greed at the expense of the lives of their people. I wish you achieve great wealth on the backs of your family.
You know as a Hillary supporter, you could help avoid a republican being put in charge if you are so against this. But you seem more for causing strife and seeing us go headfirst into destruction that to try to attempt to reach for something more hopeful. The is always a hand being held out to join us to make America a place for all of us to be proud of again if you wish to join us.
Is not having ActiveX a failure or is the fact that ActiveX is not a W3C standard the failure? Considering the security record for ActiveX, I'd suggest that ActiveX was the failure. However he should still have IE so he can test code on multiple platforms. It's just Microsoft's fault that they are the only browser manufacturer that isn't cross platform.
If the Chinese government spent as much time taking care of the Chinese people as they did trying to earn profits for the only 1% of the people who actually benefit, it would be more of a true communism where the wealth was distributed for the greater good of the people. But it isn't. Instead the Chinese people break their backs for the state day in and day out and the state pollutes their rivers and their countrysides and then sends them home to their toxic filled rivers and lakes.
Servants whose master treats them like dogs have a dog for a master.
No one said the Chinese hate their government. In fact I would say the Chinese are blindly patriotic to their government when their government is often apathetic to the plight of the Chinese people. Could those homes been built properly to avoid the earthquake? Could steps have been taken not to pollute their farmland or rivers? You seem to think I am saying something that I am not. Read what I am saying... not what you think I am saying.
Oh its not a corporation thats going to ream Microsoft for going with Ruby... it's the lack of scalability in Ruby that going to ream Microsoft.
P.S. Twitter execs forced me to say that.
True and no one said that. But it will definitely have a long lasting effect on the Chinese people. Question is will it actually change the Chinese government?
Believe it or not, living in the Seattle/Redmond area, I have been ordered on occasion to do precisely this and to avoid cross platform design. I would argue how stupid this would be but because so many companies work with or for Microsoft, they have either hired developers from there, have family friends/family members who work there or have someone whispering in there ear and are thus convinced that it is the way to go.
And when things break, they are convinced that you did something wrong and not that they got bad information. So yes, this does happen more frequently than you would imagine.
I dunno... did the Chinese have a million abandoned factories and so much chemical waste in their rivers back then as to turn them red back then too? Environmental standards are there for a reason... to protect the people and their homes. Blind patriotism will keep you from seeing the truth. Protecting the Chinese people should be the number one priority of the Chinese government.
It's mostly been embittered Hillary fans and angry feminists but you're right. But not to worry... the US is slowly losing as a superpower and having to take a backseat thanks to the administration of the last 8 yrs. The EU is now kicking our ass and people have now learned not to invest in the US dollar, US real estate and other risky US investments. We will soon be coming to real countries for help.:)
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You are talking about building small scripts and tools. Things they send newbies to do. Things a seasoned developer doesn't have time for and that they give to someone to either A) get them out of the way or B) get them used to the tools so they can move on to the next script monkey task.
Is that development? Sure in the same way that welding a panel to the space shuttle makes you a rocket scientist. But trying to act like you 'KNOW' they languages you just used when you just tinkered in them isn't the same thing. Would you call someone who knows SQL a DBA? Would you call someone who jumps from language to language and just tinkers in them a developer? Hardly. 90% of the time, what you built got rewritten or trashed.
I should also point out what 37signals is running on.
No... I'd call them a moron. I've been approached by these recruiters when I was a lead for a department. The people they give us are not trained in what they want them to be trained in. We have a set of tools and applications that they need to know to be able to ramp up and start helping out as soon as possible, the less they know, the longer the time it takes them to ramp up.
Saying 'a good developer should be able to pick up a new language' is like saying 'a good sys admin should be able to pick up a new operating system'. Doesnt make any sense. Syntax may change, techniques may change, libraries are different... you are a newborn all over again. The only people I have heard this from are managers and marketing people who have an agenda and NEVER from a knowledgable developer as they all know it takes time to learn new syntax and new libraries and techniques.
You are a naive newbie if you honestly believe that it is that simple and cut and dried.
Well I'm a LAMP developer and have never touched .NET but get offers for VB and .NET positions all the time too. So what's your point?? Recruiters are morons.
Also, China blocks domains nas well in their firewall. We want to be doing the same for all IP's and domains coming from China. Thats not the same thing, it's the reverse and China doesn't do it for all domains and IP's coming from any one country. We would want to do it for all IP's coming from V=China (couldn't do it for domains as that's too vague).
No they don't. They 'filter' content. Totally different thing. Blocking an IP going out of China and coming into your location vs blocking content coming from an IP going into China are two different things.
And while we are at it, block all Chinese IP's from reaching outside their borders. The problems though may be 'fake' routers. It is believed the Chinese government manufactured fake Cisco routers and got them in several places to bypass locations should a blocking attempt be made in the future.
Twitter is in a hold pattern as to whether they are going to replace Ruby altogether. Not a raving endorsement. Yellowpages uses other technologies besides Ruby so again, not an endorsement. And 37signals has the same issues that Twitter has but with half the traffic (according to the developers).
But the question wasn't 'why are people just not excited about Ruby?', the question was 'why would a consumer want to download both of these to get something to work?' The average consumer has never heard of either and while Microsoft can prebundle Silverlight in a download as an optional install and HOPE people install it, they have yet to state that they are going to start installing Ruby through their network. So it hardly is a replacement for Java in any sense; scalability, speed or consumer availability.
I think the people at 37signals said it best when they said 'http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch04_Scale_Later.php>Worry about scaling later when you need to'... which explains so much of why Ruby is having the problems it now has.
There next product for stealing your checkbook while Windows does a colonoscopy
You CAN do it but few do. You can store things using SESSION, use query caching, store your environment in a DB rather than XML, and other techniques. Unfortunately, when you do that all the other framework developers spit on you because it's not 'TRUE MVC'. I myself built an MVC framework for the web that uses an extendable MODEL so methods are never repeated, stores the environment in a database rather than XML and caches the users state in sessions and a few other tricks including being able to serve up XUL and PHP web apps separately.
On a 2.6 GHZ with 1GB of RAM I can get serve 25000 requests in 9 seconds. So, it can be done but scalability and speed have to be your priorities in design.
Microsoft has built alot of great tools and products but I fail to see how hitching their failing Silverlight product to an overly hyped language whose golden days are now over is such a great idea. Al the CEO's and developers who jumped on the Ruby bandwagon are quickly abandoning it and Silverlight has gailed to even make a dent in Flash's market share. How are either of these going to help each other? Why would the consumer want to be forced to download both of these things?
Where do the Chinese people get their food? What water goes into their farms? Do you think ecosystems are onedimensional in China? Do you think just because the government pollutes the rivers and lakes that it does not effect the land? They pollute the land as well.
But again, you seem perfectly happy to excuse the Chinese government for dooming generations to come to disease and birth defects. You seem perfectly happy to justify their lack of concern for their people until the eyes of the world are upon them. You seem to share their heartless desire for greed at the expense of the lives of their people. I wish you achieve great wealth on the backs of your family.
Apparently there are these tubes that stuff moves through. Try to make sure no one is crawling through them with bombs like Al-Keida.
You know as a Hillary supporter, you could help avoid a republican being put in charge if you are so against this. But you seem more for causing strife and seeing us go headfirst into destruction that to try to attempt to reach for something more hopeful. The is always a hand being held out to join us to make America a place for all of us to be proud of again if you wish to join us.
Is not having ActiveX a failure or is the fact that ActiveX is not a W3C standard the failure? Considering the security record for ActiveX, I'd suggest that ActiveX was the failure. However he should still have IE so he can test code on multiple platforms. It's just Microsoft's fault that they are the only browser manufacturer that isn't cross platform.
does this mean he's gonna shut up now?
If the Chinese government spent as much time taking care of the Chinese people as they did trying to earn profits for the only 1% of the people who actually benefit, it would be more of a true communism where the wealth was distributed for the greater good of the people. But it isn't. Instead the Chinese people break their backs for the state day in and day out and the state pollutes their rivers and their countrysides and then sends them home to their toxic filled rivers and lakes.
Servants whose master treats them like dogs have a dog for a master.
No one said the Chinese hate their government. In fact I would say the Chinese are blindly patriotic to their government when their government is often apathetic to the plight of the Chinese people. Could those homes been built properly to avoid the earthquake? Could steps have been taken not to pollute their farmland or rivers? You seem to think I am saying something that I am not. Read what I am saying... not what you think I am saying.
Oh its not a corporation thats going to ream Microsoft for going with Ruby... it's the lack of scalability in Ruby that going to ream Microsoft. P.S. Twitter execs forced me to say that.
True and no one said that. But it will definitely have a long lasting effect on the Chinese people. Question is will it actually change the Chinese government?
Believe it or not, living in the Seattle/Redmond area, I have been ordered on occasion to do precisely this and to avoid cross platform design. I would argue how stupid this would be but because so many companies work with or for Microsoft, they have either hired developers from there, have family friends/family members who work there or have someone whispering in there ear and are thus convinced that it is the way to go.
And when things break, they are convinced that you did something wrong and not that they got bad information. So yes, this does happen more frequently than you would imagine.
I dunno... did the Chinese have a million abandoned factories and so much chemical waste in their rivers back then as to turn them red back then too? Environmental standards are there for a reason... to protect the people and their homes. Blind patriotism will keep you from seeing the truth. Protecting the Chinese people should be the number one priority of the Chinese government.
That is if they don't all die from lead poisoning
It's mostly been embittered Hillary fans and angry feminists but you're right. But not to worry... the US is slowly losing as a superpower and having to take a backseat thanks to the administration of the last 8 yrs. The EU is now kicking our ass and people have now learned not to invest in the US dollar, US real estate and other risky US investments. We will soon be coming to real countries for help. :)