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Canadian Gov't Victim of Cyberattacks
courteaudotbiz writes "Canada and all members of the U5 (United States, Germany, United Kingdom, France and New-Zealand) state that they all suffered government-directed attacks between June and September 2007. These seemed to be Chinese government sponsored attacks." It's a Google translation, so it's a bit hard to read, but it seems to be a recurring story these last few months.
I'm sure we are returning the favor and have been for decades.
The bullies always pick on the slower kids.
When is the US going to "Cyber invade" China? I'm not sure how exactly they would do it but I'm guessing it would involve telling people that they export viruses of mass destruction, letting people know it'll take a day or 2 to get the Chinese servers in line, and the backbones there will welcome them with open arms. The US will then be there for a month or 2 before they get someone in the government to call it off leaving the Chinese networks in the hands of a few ISP "Warlords" for a few years...
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What are the U5 nations? The article didn't say, and Google wasn't much help. I'm not used to seeing NZ in the short-list for anything, especially not with USA, France and Germany.
Anyone know what that group is?
So at what point does someone decide this is with hostile intent? Does this apply to corporation as well? Can DuPont invade Johnson's and Johnson's?
lick the cancle button (at least thats what our Chinese QA says)
Why not just make it legal for us to hack Chinese IP addresses? This could be fun!
Then once we have their systems they will negotiate.
Whenever I hear about my government cooperating in any way with those muppets in charge of the US, I feel like launching attacks on them too.
This is all I could dig up really - seems to be some cyber-security e-commerce related group?
Whereas work in other areas of shared concern, such as international trade, is conducted in line with some "ground truths and principles," there is little by way of standards, laws, regulations, etc. to guide international cooperation between key partners on cyber security. Mr. Aisenberg argued that such cooperation could be especially fruitful between the so called "U5 Countries" - Canada, Great Britain, the United States, Australia, and New Zealand. As countries with a shared history, common language, and similar institutions and values, the U5 countries could work together and "develop a doctrine that they can all believe in," before moving policy, regulation, and legislation in that shared direction. In fact, Mr. Aisenberg emphasized that the democratic, liberal, free-market commitments common across the U5 countries are a logical starting point for cooperation, as they can anchor cooperation in common objectives and principles.
"U5 (United States, Germany, United Kingdom, France and New-Zealand)": Is this a typo/mistranslation? Because neither I, nor wikipedia knows what this is. G5, however seems to describe the same thing.
GAAH! MY PRINTER IS ON FIRE!!! PUT IT OUT! PUT IT OUT!
OK, OK I didn't RTFA. My way's better.
Spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, and stupid comments are intentional.
It is baffling to me how these sort of Cyber-wars can go on and in the meantime countries will continue talking to eachother like nothing's the matter.
Understandably, one can draw parallels to the ongoing espionage among all countries during the 20th century. Still, this seems like the militarization of the internet, which is a civilian construct. That sets a troubling precedent.
It's a google translation, so it's a bit hard to read, but it seems to be a recurring story these last few months.
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So when is a nation wide attack on a critical infrastructure not a call to war?
It appears to have caused measurable damage and have been deliberately caused by a foreign nation.
If I read it write, U5 is shorthand for U.S., Germany, UK, Canada, and NZ. That's an odd assortment of countries. Where did that come from?
I sounds like an Irish rock band.
I'm surprised Google can do it at all. Removing the "u" from words like "color" is easy enough. But the hostile subtext in the Canadian niceness and politeness is hard for machines to render into American.
The further you get from the border, the harder it is to understand. Of course Canadians will deny it. But they'll do it politely.
What is the U5? I've done a google search for it and nothing comes up.
Looks like you can just make stuff up and the Slashdot won't notice.
And how come NZ is a member, but Australia isn't?
The article tosses around the word "accused" a lot, but dosn't really point out if they have any hard evidense to back it up. Of course China is a likely suspect to "accuse" any high tech cyber-attacks of, but really, wouldn't you think any country that has a strong backbone to the internet would be capable of doing these attacks? Or am I just missing something completely?
First and foremost, It's Eh. Secondly, Southpark stated that if anything bad happens... Blame Canada. Thirdly, I believe it was in a previous post that said that china's .CH or whatever they use is one of the most volatile places on the net. SO if we (the United states) decided to invade them via cyber-terrorism We might want to beef up our McAfee lol.
Stupidity only gets you so far, then you've gotta try
Funny that this guy has written three (3) articles in three (3) years, one of them putting Montreal as the International Capital of movie pirates.
Equally as funny as to think of Montreal as producing more movie copies that any Asian city, in such a way that it affects the World Market of Movies, knowing that a lot of movies in Montreal are shown in French.
sound like they have a "u" or "yoo" in them somewhere...
Yoo-knighted-sutates...
Can-u-dah...
Furansu (if hailing from Korea or Japan...)...
Yoo-knighted-king-dum
Germ-u-knee...
What is probably yoo-s-ful to consider is that Can-u-da probably hasn't really colun-ized any other sove-run nation... LOL!
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Can anyone who knows more about this than me comment?
Oh, and regarding the "U5" debate, RTFA. From the article "We have had confirmation from our partners U5 (USA, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada)" This corresponds to the UKUSA member countries.
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This should make the Olympics more entertaining. Or not.
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It's not like this is anything new. Just wait... see whoever gets IPv6 up and running first. There will be more hacking than anyone has ever seen.
I know it's pretty oblivious... and I know all the jokes about translating candian to plain english is just to be funny ...
but I'm also pretty sure a lot of people don't know that there is two official languages in Canada... the text is originally in french
original link : http://technaute.cyberpresse.ca/200806/09/nouvelles/internet/18725-cyberattaque-a-ottawa.php
...that's pondered in the various governmental offices now, right?
"How can we use that to justify more laws for domestic surveillance?"
Or do you have any other reason at hand why we hear about this at all?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The article actually reads " We have had confirmation from our partners U5 (USA, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada) "
Submitter needs eyeglasses, and an atlas.
I hear we've got some all-encompassing system about to go online. Codenamed "Colossus," it will implement a new level of Internet control known as "Skynet."
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In a followup, the Canadian government regrets to report that the increased traffic was not the result of an attack but rather a massive numbers of internet users from China hitting the website at once. Unfortunately a number of separate reports caused the site to represent something different than it's purpose. The weather report, a biopic on Jessica Alba, and a report about the beaches in southern France combined with the Google translation to be: Hot Nude Jessica Alba. That was nothing compared network strain in the November - December time frame when different reports came out to be: Cold Nipples Jessica Simpson
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Hey, thanks a lot for not hot linking to the original article. It's not as though everyone is stuck with only one language.
To what extent has our critical network infrastructure retained the sort of "after-the-bomb" resilience of the original DARPAnet project? As I recall from a long ago text-book, our forbears with slide-rules and lab-coats worked out that if each node had separate links to three independent communication peers, that for most random removals of up to 90% of those nodes the remainder could still communicate. That is the design spec/philosophy that gave rise to the whole "built to survive a nuclear attack" meme.
Fast forward half a century, and everyone knows that our overall network infrastructure has nowhere near that level of redundancy and robustness, owing reasonably to that fact that most of our deployed applications don't require it. If it's not needed, why pay to build it across the board.
However, for those applications for which high-availability under outage/disaster/attack/DoS conditions is critical, have we been building appropriately? Or, as I fear, are we reliant on a small handful of satellites and long-haul backbones in support of everything else?
Is there anyone more current than I in that realm who might care to weigh in?
What if the Chinese gov simply told a bunch of lonely Chinese teenagers that they'd get access to playboy.com if they ran some scripts for them on the weekends?
anyhoot, here are the only "facts" from TFA:
- over 20 branches of CA gov hit
- "U5" is quoted from a note given to Stockwell Day
- link to China is unconfirmed by US and Canada
- in an unrelated case, Le Monde (France) traced attacks back to Chinese nodes
The Canadian government has been the victim of a massive cyber in June and July 2007.
This seems to me just a witch hunt against the Chinese.
Yeah well, considering the huge number of Chinese people living in Canada, whoever's launching these attacks should back the fuck off. I can't think of very many countries that are as welcoming to Chinese immigrants as Canada, because a significant portion of the world is (justifiably) pissed off / scared of them.
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Me, I like Chinese food a lot
But seriously, back the fuck off. I've already banned Chinese IP blocks from every single box I own, nothing but trouble. They should work on cleaning up their act - this world doesn't need another war.
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Last time I checked, that country name wasn't hyphenated...
Even TFA doesn't include France and Germany in this "U5" boy band thing or whatever it is.
Welcome to Slashdot, where even the submitter doesn't need to RTFA.
The duty of the military, any military, it to be prepared to strike immediately and decisively. A more physical example is sending bombers towards a foreign airspace to gauge their response and determine how to adjust your attack profile. This was common practice during the cold war and Russia has started it up again. It's a little bit of "saber-rattling" mostly it's just reconnaissance and planning.
Stuck in Japan/Korea too long, eh.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
I first read that as Canada. As a former U.S.M.C (once a Marine Always a Marine), I was like, "screw that, lets kicks some @ss for our Canadian brothers and sisters, eh!"
Then I _tried_ to read the translation. Ah, French Canadian!
OK. Never mind. As you were Marine!
Semper Fi
Oh no, some other country might find out the recipe for Canadian Bacon is really just ham cold cuts in the shape of a circle! On the other hand, maybe we could settle this amicably with a recipe swap. Please share with us the recipe for American Cheese, and tell us how to make our Hershey bars not suck! Also, let's decide how much butter and milk is the correct amount to add to Macaroni and Cheese, is it one or two tablespoons? Which country is right?
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The article doesn't mention whether there's some actual reason to believe Chinese sources are involved or whether it's just Chinese IP addresses.
If China is attacking from their own IP addresses then they are incompetent.
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Me, I like Chinese food a lot
Someone once asked me to characterize Canadian food. After some thought, it occurred to me that the one thing that is available pretty much everywhere, in every small town, is a canadian version of the chinese diner, serving puffy battered shrimp, gristly sweet and sour pork and fried rice and fortune cookies for dessert. It really unifies the country, and it's not coincidental that they're particularly likely anywhere the railroad goes, because chinese semi-indentured workers were imported to build it.
So: anglicized cantonese food is the hallmark of canadian cuisine.
Damn those pesky terrorists
ITT: Americans
The problem is, who is really behind it. Yes, it could be the China government. It could be Chinese crime syndicates. It could be that - being they have a huge population (even though only a percentage is internet-connected) with known issues in regards to keeping boxen secure - there are a shitload of p0wn3d machines being abused. It could be that hackers like to work out of China because of lacking/difficult enforcement.
They are after the secret recipe to our maple donuts!
Damn you China, damn you straight to hell!!!!!
"The Canadian government has been the victim of a massive cyber." makes it read like there was a huge e-orgy in Canada.
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Man, this guy will do anything to get himself in the news!
Stasis is death. Embrace change.
"These seemed to be Chinese government sponsored attacks"
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"Although Canadian authorities refused to identify the perpetrators of this attack, they leave doubts on Chinese hackers"
what proof was provided or are we just supposed to take their word for it. Just who is the source for this cyber-bullshit
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The Canadian government has been the victim of a massive *cyber* in June and July 2007.
Ok.... that was a translation gone wrong... my minds shifting to something completely different now..
Cyberattack in Ottawa
The Canadian government has been the target of a massive cyberattack in June and July 2007. In total, about twenty ministries have been hit, as documents obtained by La Presse thanks to the information access act.
Even though canadian authorities refuse to identify the authors of this attack, they hint at chinese cyber pirates. From june to september 2007, at about the same time, five countries -- the USA, Germany, the UK, France and New Zealand -- announced to have suffered the same kind of attacks from chinese cyberpirates. This cyber attack against the canadian government, which never had been revealed until today, was first detected at the Public Security ministry by the Canadian Cybernetic Indicent Response Center, an organism created in february 2005 and tasked to check the threats looming above cyber infrastructure deemed essential to Canada.
Upon noticing that several computers of the ministry headed by Stockwell Day* have been contaminated by this attack, a widespread investigation was conducted by the RCMP and the Canadian Intelligence Service and the ministry of Defence. The investigation showed that the whole canadian government was targetted by this unprecedented attack.
"As the investigation progressed, it was possible to say that it was a large scale attack against the government of Canada. We have had confirmation from our U5 parners (USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand & Canada) that it was a global international threat", we can see in a note passed to Stockwell Day.
In November 2007, those responsible for the CCRIC gave to the concerned ministries, to provincial governments and to the heads of essential infrastructures a document summarizing this act of piracy and a strategy to counter this kind of attack, always according to the documents obtained by La Presse.
Who were those pirates and what did they want? What were the consequences of this cyberattack? Canadian authorities will not point at anyone responsible, but they take care to note in the documents that Canadian allies faced cyber attacks during the last few months and did not hesitate to accuse China. Last year, Germany and the UK accused China of leading cyber attacks against them.
"The US is careful when it comes to pinpoint the responsibility for those attacks. Canada does likewise. During the last few weeks, Canada, the US and the UK informed their respective governments and the leaders of the essential infrastructures of the cyber threats", can we read in the documents.
In the Public Security Ministry, they refuse however to give further details. "The canadian government is not shielded from those cyber attacks. We take those threats very seriously, but for security reasons, I cannot give details regarding a given attack or a current investigation", said Mélisa Leclerc, the spokeperson for Stockwell Day.
According to an investigation conducted by (french) Le Monde daily published last October, the attacks against occidental sites were mostly corrupt files. Investigators followed cyber addresses to China, always according to Le Monde. Several occidental intelligence service heavily suspect the Popular Liberation Army.
According to Michel Juneau-Katsuya, an ex intelligence agent and security expert, there is a very high probability that China is involved in those attacks. He recalled that, at the end of the 90's, CIA managed to get a copy on a chinese army manual that explained that the next war against the West would first happen in cyberspace in order to neutralize communication systems.
"The chinese have undersood that if they disrupt communication systems, they will blind the US and the West. For them, the first thing to do when you begin a military campaign, is to destroy the opponent's communication networks. We know that China spends a lot of ressources on this. It even has university departments working on it full-time", says Mr. Junea-Katsuya.
"China is a very,
I think this is nothing more than scaring the public into submission.
"Please good sir, save us from the digital Chinese threat! Take our liberties, tap our phones, investigate us, limit us, save us! We have nothing to hide..."
they want our recipe for poutine...
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Ref Canada v China:
Just as I posted my last story on New Zealand I noticed the following in Editorial: The spy business is alive and well:
SIS head Warren Tucker said government computer systems had been hacked into by foreign states. Information had been stolen and hard-to-detect software installed that could be used to take control of computer systems, he said.
Mr Tucker would not name the culprits. But he did refer to recent comments by Canada's security service about Chinese spying. Canada's spy-meister, Jim Judd, has said that almost half his security intelligence efforts were focused on that country's spies.
Canada, eh? Next I found China is top espionage risk to Canada: CSIS:
Almost half the effort the country's spy-watchers put into monitoring suspicious foreign activity in Canada is devoted to Chinese operatives... Jim Judd, director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, said... 15 countries account for most of the concern when it comes to foreign intelligence-gathering or interference in Canadian affairs.
He wouldn't identify all those countries, but did tell senators that China tops the list...
Prime Minister Stephen Harper, when he was still Opposition leader, claimed there were up to 1,000 Chinese agents in Canada.
He quoted a CSIS official as saying that Chinese spies stole $1 billion worth of technological secrets every month...
I think my aluminum foil hat may have slipped a bit but it seems reasonable that the Chinese may like being blocked considering how easy it is to punch a hole through their great-fire-wall of china.
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