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kgamiel writes "The Obama campaign's CTO is hiring LAMP-biased geeks for the Boston office to help elect the Senator in the fall. This got me to wondering, what if he instead announced a SourceForge project toward the same end? What would such a project look like? Tools that both sides could use 'equally' would not achieve the desired end. And philosophically, could the Open Source community support one side in a competition such as this? What other issues does this raise?" Another reader notes that the Obama campaign is also searching for a security expert to plug the holes that allowed a hacker to redirect Obama's site (Linux/Apache hosted by GoDaddy) to Hillary Clinton's (Windows/IIS hosted by Rackspace).
I *really* think Hilary Clinton's should've been advised against being a female candidate, and hosting her site via 'Rack'space.. :-D
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Jeebus, he wants to get things done, and not spend forever arguing about schematics, philosophy, languages, and what color the bikeshed is.
Uh, no. Christianity holds that murder is wrong. Kiling and murder are two different things.
In any case, while it is nearly impossible to get the entire FOSS community to support anything in particular, other than FOSS, of course, and related freedoms, there is no question that members of the community are free to support whomever they wish in a political concurrence. Then again, if one candidate were decidedly in favor of the use of FOSS, while another were clearly hostile to FOSS...
-- tonybaldwin.me
OMG! A politician who not only knows something about tech but is also down with open source?
Could there be hope for our future politicians? Hire this cat to run the country right now!!!
Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever. -Mahatma Ghandi
Murder is wrong. Get your theology right. The Bible only condemns homicide, not killing in self-defense, in defense of another or in times of war. In fact Jesus said that calamities like war and social problems like poverty would continue to happen as they always have until the time that God returns to take back control of the Earth directly from Satan (and humanity).
Read this if you don't believe me.
Lead to a project which is probably incomplete, no documentation, and maybe a tarball that won't build.
-- Many men would appreciate a woman's mind more if they could fondle it
... his running mate will be Al Gore.
It looks like he wants to hire someone competent to run his web server. If I were running for a major political office, I'd certainly want someone competent runing my webserver.
If Obama does make a statement of support for open source software, then that'd give him kudos from me. Open source isn't the unstoppable freight train we'd like it to be, and could use all the friends in high places it can get.
Anything to piss in Microsoft's Cheereos makes me happy.
Why is this different from other competitions, like which company can have better software? Am I missing something?
With any FOSS the company to sponsor it gets to use it first because they made the specs and were expecting it, but if other users are forbidden it is no longer FOSS. I could, for instance, pay someone to write a new DB search class, add it ot the archives of other such classes, and there I made some FOSS. Even if I have a jump on anyone else stumbling on it.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
JohnMcCain.com runs on Windows Server 2003.
Uh, no, no. Some modern interpretations of Christianity hold only murder to be wrong, while many historical strains (and certainly the text!) argue for the stricter interpretation. Christian "just war" theory is a hotly disputed topic amongst even modern Christians, and for good reason: there is barely if any scriptural support for it, and many see it as simply a pragmatic concession to the fact that living as a Christian in a cruel, cruel world is rather difficult. I would point you, for example, to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s early writings, where he explains the man reasons why he rejected the Just War theory that he held in his youth as he found it inconsistent with the Christianity he studied and believed in.
All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
for any political campaign would be pretty hard to keep track of. Subversion, anybody?
Which means Bush W.==Windows XP, Bill Clintion==Mac OS9, and Bush Snr==Win98/96.
"Thou shall not kill" is "Thou shall not kill", not "Murder is wrong, but killing is ok". Go re-read your Bible.
Um, no. The original text indeed says "murder" rather than "kill"; this was mistranslated at a later point and has - by now - pretty much become dogman in the christian churches, but "murder" is not a modern interpretation or re-reading.
In fact, ask any rabbi about this, and you'll see for yourself.
Uh, it seems that some might not agree with you;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Killing_or_murder
And frankly your argument sounds like the kind of technicality that allows some so called Christians to support Bush.
Is slashdot going to turn into Obama propaganda like digg and other sites too? The Obama campaign is looking for people with server and programming experience. Big deal.
Read what I typed, not that which you wish to project into it. Killing and murder are two different things. Any dictionary clearly documents that.
As far as Christianity goes, it is an inextricable extension of Judaism with the realization of the prophecies in the OT. The NT doesn't negate the OT, it fulfills it. The nature of God doesn't change.
I didn't type anything about "just war". Even so, you're wrong about that. There are plenty of citations in which God directed "just war". God did not instruct people to allow themselves to be slaughtered.
They usually are one side of a war..
Already tells you something about the candidates, doesn't it?
No, it doesn't need to be polluted with some politicians lies. ( i dont care which one, they are all the same )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Actually, I was referring to the New Testament (which any rabbi will tell you is simply Hellenic heresy, so don't ask a rabbi); e.g. turn the other cheek, etc.. That text repudiates the earlier rule that, it must be noted, governed a tribal people struggling to survive in an unpleasant neighborhood rather than a captive sedentary enslaved people living in Roman occupied territory. So, yeah, the OT splits the distinction between killing and murder, as the many military campaigns throughout the books describe; the NT does no such thing (until the wild acid trip that is the Apocalypse of John, which most theologians through out Christian history have viewed with, at best, a jaundiced eye).
All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
What's 'murder' then?
Didn't Moses murder a bunch of people? Example.
Christians have engaged in war for centuries, it's a well-established tradition. ;-)
"Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords." - Ben Franklin
Oh, and by the way, for the most part Bush has done a fine job. You'll regret it if a Dem is elected.
Galileo: "The Earth revolves around the Sun!"
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Why, Obama, why? Find a hosting service that hasn't shafted millions of innocents, or at least doesn't get openly castigated because it frequently does give its users the shaft for inane reasons.
I'm not going to specifically suggest one (not a fan of slashvertising myself), but at least pick a better hosting service.
The NT doesn't negate the OT, it fulfills it. The nature of God doesn't change.
That's a cute notion, and all, but the text does not bear that out. Jesus instructed his disciples/students when struck to *not retaliate*. I've heard this canard about Christianity "completing" Judaism and maintaining a consistent nature for God, and it's an utter crock that reading the Bible for five whole minutes can put to rest.
All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
I agree, and that's a great way to approach this very difficult religion: as a striving towards an example (Jesus).
But it is an awful stretch to say that killing is merely a sort of "concession" or "compromise" with our natures that would be acceptable *at all* within the ethical/spiritual rubric that Christianity as it is presented in the Bible represents.
All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
Jesus was a Jew...
Murder is killing for anything other than personal self-defense. Killing for the state is murder. Killing to save yourself or family is debatable in that we are not to judge whose life is more "valuable". To nature, all life carries the same value.
What?
Please don't encourage the use of SourceForge for things like this. Not only is SourceForge a dead-end for time-limited projects, it is also full of dead, empty or completely abandoned projects.
A good 60% or more of the projects there have seen no activity at all (because people think creating a project there will automatically write itself), and many projects haven't been touched in 4, 5, 6 or more years.
They've consistently crippled the use of standard OSS tools like CVS, Subversion and Mailman just so they can try to retain control of projects by limiting the ability to use them effectively. They don't support other tools like git and proper MTA support for mailing commits to developers.
Also, quite a few projects have pulled the source to previous releases (a violation of the GPL that these projects were released under; gaim is one of them). Their management of projects and overall administration leaves MUCH to be desired.
Lastly, SourceForge was originally going to be called "Cold Storage", and it was supposed to partner with Freshmeat to permanently archive projects. I've seen many projects vanish from SourceForge, which completely negates the whole policy of its existance.
So while I respect and encourage the use of OSS tools, LAMP, retaining the mindshare of key developers who can help support a candidate they support, I don't think choosing SourceForge to host the project is a wise move.
Do you choose the type of hammer and nails you're going to use, before you draft the plans to build your new house? Do you choose the kind of vehicle you're going to drive before you know your destination and travel route? Of course you don't.
Why choose the hosting service before you've even chosen what kinds of components and requirements the project will need?
John the Baptist or are you talking about Andrew?
You'll regret it if a Dem is elected.
Oh, I don't know. Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Johnson did "ok" for us. Bush got the wrong guy.
What?
No, it would be silly to put up a sourceforge project for a candidate. Better concentrate on how best to use existing tools.
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Actually not.
If you're referring to the injunction "Thou shalt not kill" in the Ten Commandments, you'll find that the word used--transliterated as ratsach--does not necessarily refer to murder. While that is one of its primary meanings, it also includes unintentional killings as well. Indeed, this is the most common use of the word in Deuteronomy. It enjoins the Israelites to found three cities as refuges for those who kill unintentionally, so that they can flee there and be safe from vengeful relatives.
I'm not sure where the claim that it just means "murder" comes from. A good translation and a concordance will quickly show it to be simply and obviously false. In any case, it is shamelessly used by (mostly) Protestant preachers to justify all kinds of killing as not being "murder." Which isn't exactly in the spirit of Christian charity, to my mind.
Not that it matters to me all that much. I haven't been a believer for years.
What gives here, honestly? It's
If you spent half the effort on real problems that you spend electing a leader for your arrogant little country, the world be be such a better place.
Christ, _just get along_.
*frustrated*
/Mike
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that both sides could use 'equally' would not achieve the desired end.
What the hell does that mean? Since when is the tool more important than the message?
What?
So, how many LAMP developpers does it take to change a light bulb?
Maybe he should put in an add looking for a new church. One slightly less bigoted ;)
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to think "profiling is worse than the slaughter of innocent people..."
Spelling/grammar nazis welcome (English is not my first language and I am trying to improve my spelling/grammar)
No canard, it's right there. Jesus was the blood sacrifice which meets the sin debt of the OT. That's what the OT prophecies point to.
You are cherry picking. Turn the other cheek doesn't mean allow yourself to be killed, stolen from, etc.
The Jesus of the NT was a very buff guy, as would be anyone who was a "carpenter" in an age of only hand tools who was able to throw merchants out of the temple given all trade was done with coin, not electronic credit, and there would have been a lot of hired bodyguards.
Reading a translated few sentences from thousands of pages for five minutes will obviously give a very incorrect impression. Aramaic doesn't include temporal tenses and the overwhelming majority of people alive today would read ancient writings with their current philosophical viewpoints. Microwave mentality never leads to wisdom or insight other than it's stupid to stick your nose in the opening of the popcorn bag when you open it.
You don't have to agree with what is there. It's intellectually disingenuous to claim anyone can grasp intertwined prophecies and history of thousands of pages with 5 minutes of reading, be it the Bible, the Koran, the book of Mormon, the Bhagadvadgita or cave drawings.
One of the main difference between "killing" and "murder" in many languages is that "murder" requires the patient of the action to be human, while "killing" applies to any living being. I don't know Hebrew, but I'd guess that this is a crucial difference in the lexical semantics there too.
"Hannibal's plans never work right. They just work." Amy/A-Team
Another reader notes that the Obama campaign is also searching for a security expert to plug the holes that allowed a hacker to redirect Obama's site (Linux/Apache hosted by GoDaddy) to Hillary Clinton's (Windows/IIS hosted by Rackspace).
If I was an Obama campaign manager I would actually be thankful that happened. People like me, who started off being fans of the Clintons, have gotten turned off to them because of the negative tactics they and their strong supporters have used.
I had a refrigerator magnet that read "Come Back Bill, All Is Forgiven". I just moved and decided not to put it back up. In one day Geraldine Ferraro's reputation was ruined for me.
That was my point. You must kill a plant in order to eat it.
There's also no perfect 1:1 relationship between languages, especially a modern language and one that is a few thousand years old.
yea, our generation. this guy is practically 10 years older than me. and many years younger than many of you here.
despite im 33 years old and many of you are over 40, and many of you below 25 even, we belong to a single generation - information age generation. this super generation is people who got influenced with the advent of information technology, from 60s and on. at those decades, the impact was limited to whomever worked in the i.t. field. but with the spread of the ibm personal computer compatibles, it reached a broader segment of the society (and internationally too) and with the internet it reached the masses. however, up to this point, the world has been ruled by representatives who had little to do with those changes. either because they are too old, and information revolution did not affect them (because they werent in field of i.t. in 60s and on) or because they were much older, derelict of cold war era.
clinton is an example of the former - despite she was young at the onset of 60s and 70s, the real start of this information revolution, she had nothing to do with i.t., wasnt working in an i.t. field, and henceforth remained out of these changes.
im not even talking about mccain.
obama is different. he is young enough to have lived his youth at the time when information revolution was reaching masses, and he had enough exposure to i.t. (and very probably to open source ideals) during his time working in community service.
he is an example of how the future will be. as the older generation of (i say dinosaurs) phase out, this new generation - practically 'our' generation, because internet causing people to do everything together regardless of nation and location - is going to take over the world step by step. rightly so, because that is the nature of life.
and things will change. see this difference in approach in between those 2 candidates (one seeking lamp developer, not even asking a college degree, and hosting their stuff on lamp servers, the other is going all old big buck style, hosting their stuff on microsoft iis) signifies the difference in understanding in between them.
change will come faster in europe, because europe did not experience mccarthyism of america, that killed the potential change a few generations would be able to bring in 50s and 60s. therefore the transition there is smoother, because there didnt happen a lost generation that was not able to take positions of government, power due to scaremongering.
in u.s. it will be a bit harder. because mccarthyism scaremongering in between 50-60s caused that period to be one of stale progress up until the end of 60s. big corporations are going to fight back in u.s., whereas in europe they are already kept in check with Eu institutions.
im turkish, i live in turkey, irrelevant to many stuff that is happening in u.s., and im an obama supporter. that is because he is one of the spearheads of our broad information-age/new generation to bring change, regardless of where that change happens, we all should support each other.
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First off, I don't care who they partner him with, there are too many bigots in the Democratic Party to get this guy elected. Clinton is pulling a Wallace, distasteful as it seems, because it works. I have diehard Democrats in my family (Ohio, midwest) and they won't vote for him, worse they will vote against him. He didn't help himself getting caught making negative remarks about these people and his former Preacher lost him even more. Character doesn't change just because of an election, only its appearance does Now these are people I didn't expect it out of but damn if there isn't an issue in these states. Its stupid to ignore... just because its wrong won't make it not matter.
/. becomes nothing more than a Obama or McCain fansite I am sure most of us will find a new site. This tripe belongs on Digg. Its not news, its an advertisement and expression of political affiliation
Regardless, why would you want someone who was on a failing ticket? Let alone Gore or Edwards. Both of them are the worst examples of politicians I can imagine. Both are hypocrites of the biggest order, living the large life and telling everyone else to do without. No, he needs someone not connected to Washington. Even if he did get in he would be run over by Pelosi. Pelosi wants him simply because of that, Clinton would threaten Pelosi's empire. Get him a well know university type, perhaps someone verses in economics.
I thought the last election presented no real choices, this one looks even worse. A Congressman is getting into the Whitehouse and that should frighten anyone. I don't care what party they are, they don't respect us by example of how Congress operates.
Frankly, if
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
The first passage simply extends my point: it is not in the purview of *humans* to visit violence upon one another; that, at best, is God's job. Same, BTW, for the third passage (vengeance is not *yours*; at best it rests with some God-ordained authority, if not God Hisownself). Also, it should be noted that the epistolary rulings diverge significantly from Jesus' teachings. Paul was a dirty revisionist, if you ask me. :)
The Luke passage, which is often trotted out in defense of a violent Christianity, is more likely than not a metaphor (one's beliefs are a sword that divides the good from the bad, etc.).
I appreciate that you think that my view is based upon an incomplete or ill-informed reading of the NT. It is not.
All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
Honestly neither McCain, Obama, or Clinton is going to be good for F/OSS. None of them are programmers, none of them know much about computers, Obama doesn't proclaim to use Linux, McCain isn't a Gnome (or KDE) fanatic and Clinton's favorite text editor is probably Notepad. Just because Obama wants to use some F/OSS guys in development of his website that doesn't mean that he is for F/OSS any more then any of the candidates are. And no, if Obama uses Linux in his servers and it runs on Apache that doesn't make that the "preferred" choice for the F/OSS community, because, really we have no choice unless a third-party member can win which I doubt they can...
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
The "unintentional" killing you're referring to is closer to the American concept of "negligent homicide" - it was crimes for which the punishment was exile to once of the cities of refuge.
lo tirtzah in the Ten Commandments is a little bit broader than "don't murder," but it's a long distance away from "don't kill." Attempts to interpret it to mean "don't kill" are well-intentioned, but are not faithful to the actual meaning or historical interpretation of the text. If "don't kill" had been intended, lo ya'areg would have been used instead.
This is the standard Rabbinic interpretation of the phrase in the Ten Commandments - all of them refer to crimes for which one can receive the death penalty, so "don't steal" is limited to "don't kidnap [i.e. "don't steal people"]" - one cannot receive the death penalty for homicide which is not murder in Jewish law, so the that's another data point supporting the interpretation of the word as "murder."
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The five minutes comment was an exaggeration, and probably an unnecessarily crass one. For that I apologize. The intent of my statement was to say that a sober analysis of the text even on its face does not bear out the notion that the God of the OT and the God of the NT represent a deity of continuous immutable quality.
And there is no doubt that Jesus was a "buff guy", as you say, being as he was a laborer and carpenter and then an itinerant preacher. Not that that has anything to do with what we were talking about. Jesus as *God* may, since "Vengeance is His" as it is written, may do all sorts of things that humans may not, even according to the rules that He outlined. Jesus may kick over tables and lash the moneychangers, and this may be righteous, but that doesn't give license to regular ol' humans with imperfect judgment to do the same, and he says as much.
From other parts of the thread, it should be clear that I am not cherry-picking verses. However, the point stands that Jesus said that vengeance and violence are the purview of God, to be executed by Hisownself or on His specific instruction. Elsewise, when someone strikes you, do not raise a hand against them. When someone steals from you, offer even more. This advice is again repeated in the epistle to the Romans, from the pen of Paul, and is not restricted to a singular passage as you accuse me of doing.
All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
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I don't like Obama in the slightest, but wouldn't hesitate to contribute to a FOSS project his folks were hosting. After all, maybe my guy (whoever it may be) could benefit from using it. If MS released a useful project under the GPL, would people actually avoid contributing because it might help MS?
Honestly, mixing outside influences with FOSS in this way is dumb. Everyone is free to use Free Software and a rising tide lifts all boats.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
shred -f -r ~/hillary/
Your sig: "I want you to be afraid"
Apparently Slashdot is now funded by George Soros too... so we will have to read about the Messiah Obama even here. You people are stupid lemmings.
Wait...Kennedy's and Johnson's Vietnam War was "doing ok"?!?
PHP is perfectly secure if you aren't a bad programmer.
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
A few weeks back they were doing "body-count arithmetic" from the pulpit, trumping ANYTHING, including the Iraq war, with the 50e6, "children murdered by abortion." Not even commenting on abortion itself, the way this stand has been presented has taken it into the territory of, "The ends justify the means."
If we're going to use body-count arithmetic, supporting the current administration (and likely extension of its policies for another term) in hopes of overturning Roe vs Wade includes supporting the expanded use of the death penalty, the Iraq war, an increased likelihood of an Iran war, AND deliberate denial of anthropogenic effects on the life-sustaining capacity of the Earth. I'm not talking exclusively global warming, but overfishing, hive-collapse, birth-control suppression, tight-linking of fuel and food prices, etc, and we're likely to see a body-count well above 50e6 - real trillions-of-cells bodies, not just blastopods and embryos.
Nor am I saying that abortion is good, but IMHO there are worse things, and Overturning Roe Vs. Wade is not the "Pearl of Great Price" that is worth sacrificing EVERYTHING for. I like Bill Clinton's words, "Safe, but seldom."
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you.
You did note the quotation marks, right? I was picking nits by comparing it to the more obvious atrocities being committed today. Every war is a battle amongst pirates and their empires. To claim one side of the party is weaker than the other is absurd. To say that Bush has done a "fine job" is infinitely more so. The only weakness both sides of the party show is in the actual defense of real freedom.
What?
>this was mistranslated at a later point
Sorry, since the translations were divinely inspired, by definition they are flawless.
Is that, like, Underdog's older brother?
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Yes, but POAP sounds like POOP :)
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
Why would *anyone* politicize software and platform preference? So now, I'm a liberal because I use Linux, or I'm a conservative because I use Windows? The last thing we need is more division and resentment among us. I like the software (programming) world because as computer nerds we are happily removed from the greater social issues that give everyone else so much consternation. Why would anyone want to ruin this?
"champions of universal enslavement"
apparently you are one of the zygotes that prefer to allow big buck corporations like enron, at&t, time warner OWN entire country and its people under the guise of 'free market'. in california some started to even BRAND people with rfid chips, until ca senate has banned it.
please, spare me that shit mccarthyism and brainwashed republicanism rant.
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Do not get me wrong. The Bible forbids individuals to initialize violence. It also give the government strict rules for when it is allowed to initialize violence.
Spelling/grammar nazis welcome (English is not my first language and I am trying to improve my spelling/grammar)
It has. But unfortunately people who do not understand the issues are the ones making the choices. There are still a number of things it lacks. And don't you like how anyone criticizing lamps automatically get marked down. Especially the M, and P part.
Here, stupid moderators, here's another one - REDCRAP SUCKS. IT HAS ALWAYS SUCKED, AND WILL CONTINUE TO SUCK NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU MODERATE ME DOWN.
And here's a tidbit - RPMs are one of the reasons why REDCRAP SUCKS. Especially there're logged corruption issues, and RHELL's response is "ticket closed, no further action" - an example (and there are a number of others) http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2004-06/2946.html
To nature, all live carries NO value. "Value" is strictly a human concept. So is "murder." Neither the universe nor the dead person cares about how they died, either from natural causes, or murder.
So it's the originals that are flawed :-) Sweet!
$Candidate: So what kind of people do we need on the technology side?
$SeniorTechAdvisor: Open source, Windows, Mac OS/X, Linux, etc. We're platform neutral.
$Candidate: As long as we have someone on the team with DIEBOLD experience, I'm satisfied.
If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law;
Go elsewhere if the world of politics in not to your liking. I've been away for quite a while, helping out the Obama campaign. How have you helped your country lately?
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
And of course MySQL has problems. It really is too bad that the people making decisions are the clueless ones. OTOH, MySQL does at least one huge thing better than PostgreSQL: clustering. That is a very good reason not to use pgsql...
I maintain that there's nothing wrong with PHP, though. It has problems if you hire bad coders, but even average coders can quickly write clean, secure PHP.
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
You people are stupid if you would elect somebody based on what O/S their website runs on. Idiots...
To nature, all live carries NO value.
That would still be the "same" value though, right? I'm just saying that no one life is more valuable in the eyes of nature. As a counterpoint, if life had no value to nature, there wouldn't be any, anywhere in the universe. But here we are...jammin' till the jam is through...
What?
To nature, all life carries the same value.
...
You mean the weight of the edible flesh of said life ? Because that's the only value life has for anything that's not human.
It is a problem today that people don't know what the law of the jungle is. In America, not 60 years ago, it was *not* a rare occurance that a hyena killed an infant or a baby. Keep in mind that there are still hyena's, and they *still* try to eat babies. There is a reason that they are wiped out in cities.
Your distinction between murder and killing is wrong, according to scripture, you do NOT get to kill in self-defense according to the bible :
Killing : terminating a person's life for ONE reason : protecting SOMEONE ELSE's life (note that this very narrow condition in reality covers quite a lot of ground, for example, Jesus gave explicit permission to Roman Guards to use violence if they thought it just. They specifically asked him if all killing was wrong, and they should just stop being soldiers. He had a simple answer : "no".
In this notion, to keep things reasonable, you should not weigh one life against another. Once you decide to protect someone, you are to keep doing it, even if it means killing 100 others. (because you should at ALL times keep your word) Only if you don't have the choice obviously.
Murder : terminating a person's life, either to protect yourself, or for personal gain, to satisfy revenge, honor killings like the muslims do, jihad, or
Certainly you cannot reasonably argue that Christianity doesn't allow the police to use lethal force, even if they do it by mistake. It *is* a sin to use lethal force, but it can be the better of 2 options.
Likewise defensive warfare, like the crusades (check wikipedia, and look up what the reason was for starting the first crusade, before you start going nuts) is certainly allowed. It *is* a sin, but again, leaving others to die is a much worse sin. (in other words : a marine is a much more moral person, even if he kills a thousand people, than a code pink protester, trying to help, even if you end up killing way too many people, is *always* a better act than doing nothing, to say nothing of attempting to force others to let people die, like the politically correct nutcases ask)
Another rule is that one should apologize for any killing done, personally and at the very least to God. Even if you are the last surviving member of a Jewish family and have killed Hitler, you are required to ask for forgiveness, from both his family and from God.
Every death is one to many, but there are situations in which you should kill.
It is not, in all ancient languages murder means criminal killing. Killing is just killing.
... etc etc etc
Like you say killing an animal is never murder but there are more cases. A soldier following orders never murders, he kills. Someone kills in self-defense, one does not murder in self-defense. You kill to protect others, you do not murder to protect others
yes we can!
Just because we're here doesn't mean that life has "value to nature." Nature doesn't "care" one way or the other. "Nature" is not a sentient being, and should not be anthropomorphized.
Obama seems less satanic than hillary or mccain, but he also has stated that we are staying in iraq "till it's done."
Same corporate whore, different color.
The news won't give Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich a chance. I guess AOL/Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, Bertelsmann, and News Corp have a vested interest in the presidency, and their corporate man is still in the running.....
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
The difference between murder and killing is state sanction. It seems rather strange to me that god would base one of the ten commandments on the fluid nature of government edicts.
So no, John the Baptist was not a Christian, and neither was he crucified. JtB's head was lopped off by King Herod Antipas (at the request of his step-daughter and her mother) and served on a silver platter. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Baptist)
You were right that it could be Andrew since he was crucified, but I think my GP's point was that the only person who perfectly followed Christ's example was Christ himself.
"Nature" is not a sentient being...
...and should not be anthropomorphized.
:-)
Ah, but through us nature has acquired sentience, a conscious, and self awareness. We are as much a part of nature as everything else. We are inseparable. So in that light, maybe nature does value life after all.
Yes, I've heard it hates that
What?
Obama -> GoDaddy
Clinton - Rackspace
Am I the only one who's laughing his ass off at this?
If a train station is a place where a train stops, what's a workstation?
A tad bitter, aren't we? All computers are the same. 1's and 0's. Only people can be different. I feel sorry for you. Care to explain your horrible sig? or are all sigs the same?
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
You're right. It hates you :-)
What?
So by your definitions, murder isn't a kind of killing? And WTF is it ok to protect anyone except for yourself?
And then you actually say that trying to stop an unjust war (i.e. not a defensive one) is worse than actually killing people because of an unjust war?
Could you please provide some references to back up these bizarre interpretations of the Bible? I've had a lot of experience with Christians from across the spectrum and yet this is all new to me.
We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace
Hyenas? In America?
Right. Well, just silly mistake, but do be more careful. I am sure you meant wolf or coyote or some similar native predator.
BTW, to previous commenters: nature values in most species the female over the male.
Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
Oh, and by the way, for the most part Bush has done a fine job. You'll regret it if a Dem is elected. I fear all we have to vote for are Democrats. Just depends if they are more liberal, or less liberal.
Gimme a JFK today, he would be right of McCain.
Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
Nah ... that would be like saying that my car has acquired sentience, consciousness, and is self-aware because when I drive it. Sentience doesn't work that way. Otherwise, we'd have to argue that rocks and managers are sentient :-)
I put it to you this way - you can write good code in any language or platform. But in general, PHP likes to booby trap your way. Things have gotten better, of course, but most PHP cowboys are brought in to work on some open source php platform. And most of those are crap, unfortunately.
PHP seems to be the Microsoft of languages - the people are re-implementing a lot of things, but without using the benefit of hindsight from other projects.
And of course - there's that statement from the creator of PHP - I want PHP to be usable by non-programmers, by people who have never written a program. So, of course you get the quality of code of people who have never written programs. In this respect, PHP is much much worse than C++ in that C++ gives you lots and lots of rope to hang yourself and everyone else, but PHP lets you make beautiful bows for the hanging.
But, you're right, the actual language is OK. Unfortunately, a shitload of php programmers are *NOT* OK.
Say bad words about my book, in cold oatmeal, or I shall sue!
We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace
Well CiviCRM actually, because Deanspace never went away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deanspace
As I understand it, Howard Dean used open source LAMP w/ Drupal and built an impressive organizational CRM/ event / fund-raising system for his Democratic presidential run in 2004. Once his campaign finished, he donated back to the community, and funded http://www.civicrm.org/ (but please do not mistake my trivial understanding for definitive fact).
If you ever wonder what those national political campaigns used for robo-dialing-CRM, there's a demo online for your trial use.
Civicrm forked awhile ago, and now drupal is not required, because CiviCRM also runs on Joomla now. (But I suggest you look closely at Drupal anyway).
You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
Sure, like anyone gives a damn what Jewish Law says ;-).
Keep in mind that there are still hyena's, and they *still* try to eat babies. There is a reason that they are wiped out in cities.
Damn! I thought it was to keep them from knocking over the garbage cans.
As far as the rest of your post goes, "better" is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I'm not basing my argument on the bible. I just call it as I see it.
What?
Murder is a kind of killing in the sense that theft is a type of moving. In the sense that rape is a type of physical excercise. Or in the sense that a mafia is a type of police force.
Let's analyse this point of yours. How come you are safe ? Surely there are people who prefer stealing to work near you.
So answer this question : who commits violence, and kills if necessary, on your behalf (and don't give me shit about judicial proceedings, if a person attacks you and won't stand down, he will be killed *without* judicial proceedings preceding that kill). Will you seriously claim that you can do without them ?
This is a nice article on the subject :
http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/PSEUDOSC/ProblemWithPacifism.HTM
"This got me to wondering, what if he announced a sourceforge project?" Dude, get a goddamned LIFE! Gee, what if he started hacking the linux kernel, wouldnt that be totally cool? God damn it.
I couldn't agree more. This election has practically been gift wrapped for the Republicans. I remember thinking about a year or two ago how Bush had fucked everything up so much that the Republicans would finally get themselves voted out of office. Then Obama and Hilary pulled to the front of the race. McCain would have to royally fuck this up to lose.
You know, not everybody has to be coerced into acting in a civilized manner. You can say they have true "religion" in their hearts. You seem to be convinced that corruption amongst the authoritarians is ok since they serve the "greater good". So tell me, who DOES get to write the rules of engagement? Looking back at your previous post convinces me that your ideas aren't exactly "normal". In fact it appears you're trying to justify the Iraq war. I get this small inkling that you might be in the military, trying to justify what you do.
...a marine is a much more moral person, even if he kills a thousand people, than a code pink protester, trying to help, even if you end up killing way too many people, is *always* a better act than doing nothing...
See, now I know you're nuts, and really can't take you seriously. But I certainly would like to make sure you have no weapons. We all can live without your version of "help".
What?
want the Clintons - not by a long shot me bucko. http://eburgobama08.org/about
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
NOT! LOL OMG PONIES!
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
Yeah - got that right. Did you catch HBO's recount? Sad but NOT THIS TIME!
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
The universe doesn't like it when you tell it what it thinks. In short, how would you know? That's as much a matter of faith as this "value" thing you seem to put down.
Otherwise, we'd have to argue that rocks and managers are sentient :-)
I'll give the benefit of a doubt to the rock.
What?
(Sigh) ... It was inevitable that someone would resurrect the "faith" argument. When you have no proof, invoke faith.
The only value something has is what someone places on it. Concepts like "morally right or wrong", and "value" are not absolutes governed by physical laws, much as we'd sometimes like to believe otherwise.
we would as well support one side in "rebellion vs evil empire"... (infact, some of us do...)
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
I doubt they're actually looking for software development in line with what you'd find on SourceForge. According to the 83% of people who make up statistics on the spot, 90% of all software is custom. There wouldn't be much point in having it on SourceForge.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
The police are not there to protect you from those people. If the percentage who behave in a civilized manner were 100, we wouldn't need police. Or soldiers. Or even lawyers, statesmen, locks, passwords...
But those people do exist, and when they act, only violence or the threat of violence can protect the rest of us. Soldiers and police are the people who volunteer to perform that violence on our behalf, and they get a pretty bad deal considering how much danger they put themselves in so the rest of us can ogle whiny old women in pink hats and birthday suits.
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The whole point of Judaism, possibly of religion in general, is that there is a power above the state to determine right and wrong.
A Nazi einstatzgruppen "soldier", shooting helpless Jewish civilians with full state sanction, is still a murderer. A partisan, shooting at the soldier without the sanction of the state, is not.
-- Support a free market in the field of government
If someone wants to kill me or my family, his life is obviously worth( )less.
From your relative POV I can understand your point. But my statement wasn't made from your point of view. However, since you brought it up, can I use that same argument to shoot a cop barging into my house on a bad bust with guns blazing? Or should I just accept my fate? Can I apply it to the Iraqi or Afghan who shoots and kills an American soldier who does the same thing? Whose life is more "valuable" there?
Nature, truly, and deeply, does not care.
So I've heard...
What?
So coveting your neighbor's ass carried the death penalty?
Deanspace
Why do you avoid answering the question. You claim you are better than me. In the end you find yourself superior.
But you simply make other people kill for you, and then you deny that such things happen.
You failed to answer my question, even though you ask many many more, with more than a hint of merely attempting to discredit me, as opposed to engaging my arguments. Why don't you answer :
Who commits violence, and kills if necessary, on your behalf (and don't give me shit about judicial proceedings, if a person attacks you and won't stand down, he will be killed *without* judicial proceedings preceding that kill). Will you seriously claim that you can do without them ?
If you truly are a believer your question in the first paragraph is moot. All authoritarians are corrupt since we are ALL corrupt (I know I am, at least sometimes), including you and me. We're all but fallen humans, who will at some point give in to the easy way out. I'm fond of agreeing with you that perhaps 1 or 2 people in a million wouldn't give in, but there is no way to weed them out. Both Obama and McCain are fallen, weak humans, but only McCain admits this, both to us and to himself (if not, please explain why his 20 year association with "We must kill whitey's God"-Wright, listening to him preaching exactly that, is off-limits for criticism. Same for his campaign adviser that got, to say the least, a VERY suspicious raise). Obama thinks he is above criticism, and therefore if you elect a million Obama's, one or maybe two of them will be good for America, the rest will be a disaster.
McCain is a reasonable man you can discuss different options with. Who can be convinced he is wrong, and who can act accordingly. Obama isn't. Perhaps he is the messiah, and it doesn't matter, but until he rides through the eastern gate with an army of angels, he is not. I'm sure Obama will be able to make bright yellow things rain from the east, but they'll just turn out to be Iranian nuclear devices.
Making this software open-source isn't going far enough. Why make people install it? Instead, create a Web 2.0 white-label site that lets anyone start a campaign. There's a perfect name for it: Contendr!
You claim you are better than me.
??? Ok... sure... whatever you say. Can't argue with such impecable logic there. You're over the edge, "dude". Y'all take care. Keep fighting the good fight there, Mr O'Reilly.
Oh Lordy. We are soooo doomed
What?
Frankly, if Obama were to fund the development for a tool that could prove useful to others, even competitors, and then release those tools to the public, that would be yet another example of his shining leadership ability and clarity of forethought.
He would be making a contribution to society, and acknowledging that he has better ideas and is not afraid to play on a level field with his opponent, all in one fell swoop.
*shrug* They (managers) are impossible to housebreak, untrainable, always trying to hump your leg, cause ulcers, and are a bloody nuisance to boot. Everyone (but the managers) already knows this.
Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
Theodore Sturgeon got very into the difference between Ethics and Morality in More than Human, and had some interesting things to say about it.
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Mr. Witwicky, the government has stated its disbelief of your ridiculous story on multiple occasions. Your Camaro is most certainly not sentient, nor does it have intelligence or self-awareness. Please stop propagating this lie.
When you're behind the wheel, your car certainly behaves as though it's sentient. And a bit malicious. Ease up there, leadfoot.
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
That's the second time you avoid the question : who commits violence, and yes, kills, on your behalf ?
Do you seriously believe the answer is nobody ?
You have hyenas in the USA?? Well ya learn sumtin new every day...
Semi-automatic amateur armchair Australian philosopher; conjecture ready at any moment...
Section 3b does not apply to any of the software I've ever seen on SourceForge, as none of those projects include "a written offer" to provide the source code in the future, as stated in that particular section. Instead, Sourceforge projects are expected to comply with Section 3a (accompany binaries "with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code"), which section 3 further clarifies by saying that "if distribution of executable or object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code."
"In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
Sorry but I don't believe child pornography is a decent example for thought crime. There are real victims to child pornography. I knew someone who was in child pornography because of an abusive father. Even into her thirties it still hurt her. Please choose something else for your thought crime example such as copyright infringement. If not for me then for my late friend.
Anyhow, we're all basically machines anyway. We're programmed to survive and reproduce. You think you have free will, but free will extends to you convincing yourself that someone trying to kill you or your kids has a right to life and post about that theory on the internet. But if I attacked you or your kids, you'd defend yourself because evolution programmed you to. And if you didn't you fail as an organism.
tl;dr: Hippies need to read some Richard Dawkins.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
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He's brought those deficit numbers back up where they belong!
Rule of Slashdot #0: You and people like you are not representative of the larger population. - A.C.
Link to video of Obama's bubblesort comment at Google...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k4RRi_ntQc8
McCain got his ass tortured while serving our country.
Do you really want him to be the guy with his finger on the button?
I don't speak of any part of it involving commerce. Please see my journal for more information. I get this all the time, and if you can come up with a more clear, still concise way of saying it, I'll change my sig.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
Isn't the commandment "Thou shall not kill" ?
Victims of child pornography are forced to relive it from people recognizing them from it. It is a stigma they are forced to live with for the rest of their lives. Even if they chose to at the time they are considered immature for a reason, they will not necessarily make decisions they consider wise in their later lives. Sure teenagers might be fine with it, but they are not really children. The major victims of child pornography are the 7 and 8 year olds who have no choice in the matter.
But PHP does not have a good track record for being particularly easy to secure. It also likes to make it very easy to not be secure.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
I happen to agree with you, but there are ways to say it that are not trollish.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Actually, no, that would not be like saying that at all. Unless you're asserting you are not a part of Nature, what he says does indeed follow. If I say you are sentient, it does not mean every single part of you is sentient -- I assume your big toe is not sentient, for example. Claiming you are sentient does not imply your big toe is, and likewise claiming Nature has acquired sentience does not imply your car is, much less rocks or managers. But it does follow, unless you deny that people are a part of Nature, that if people have acquired sentience, and people are a part of Nature, that indeed Nature has acquired sentience. Just not your car, your big toe, or your manager.
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
So, someone upload their resume in ODF. If he's at all serious about transparency in government, his staff will be able to read it.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
True. However, if someone wanst to assert that the value of something is zero, they must then prove that no one places any value on it (or deny the truth of the statement you just made). It does not follow from the fact that something is placed there by people that something does not exist.
Concepts like "morally right or wrong", and "value" are not absolutes governed by physical laws, much as we'd sometimes like to believe otherwise.Actually, unless we wish to assert that humans operate outside the bounds of physical law, it follows that the values we place in things are governed by physical laws. They're certainly not absolute, though. Like many things (even physical things) they are quite relative. But that doesn't justify an assertion that the value they possess is zero (indeed, it undermines it -- it follows that the value is dependent on perspective and therefore there is no fixed value, not even zero, that you can affix to it independently).
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
I see you've replied without reading my post. I didn't say that its okay because some of them agreed to it. I didn't say that many are teenagers. I didn't talk about choice. What I said is, distribution and possession should be legal. In fact, I support the existing heavy penalties for child abuse. But abuse and photographs are two different things. I think there should be no penalty for possession or distribution, and that the bastards who hurt children will be caught much faster if there is no penalty. Furthermore, if there were no legal penalties, consumers could get help with their problems. (not typing certain words because I'm at work)
Open source is not about philosophy, it's about methodology. Philosophy is rms's domain -- it's in the domain of free software. Otherwise, interesting; looks like a politician that does not feel locked up into one platform. Even though I'm not an US citizen, from beginning I sympathized with Obama. I hope he gets elected, we "backward little countries" do not like republicans a lot.
Um, yeah. I'm really believing people mod you down for the opinions you express rather than the way you express them. I'm sure you're being constantly persecuted for your contrarian positions.
(I've lost track of how many times I've been modded up for criticisms people insist anyone making gets modded down for.)
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
*yawns* Thanks for the blast from the past. Did you have any criticisms of modern PHP or are we just confining ourselves to pointing out how bad things were ages ago? Unix in general is vulnerable to precisely the same criticism (or would be, if we considered this to be valid criticism when made today).
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
Apology accepted. Thanks for your well-spoken (er...typed) reply.
I don't remember exactly why I brought up the muscular aspect of Christ. It had something to do with the application of physical force. It might have been something in regard to the responsibility people have as steward of their own bodies to protect them. Sorry, I'd elaborate if I could remember enough.
In Christ performed actions which were prohibited for people, he would have been acting as a hypocrite. In that case, throw the whole thing out. Christ wouldn't be God and it would all be a lie. By "prohibited" I don't mean actions for which people have not been empowered, such as reattaching an ear through non-surgical means. A fairly common example in some Protestant churches is the claim that Christians are prohibited from drinking alcohol and Christ was living under some form of "special circumstances." What a crock.
True, "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord." but that doesn't absolve people of responsibilities. Would God have given people dominion over the physical Earth then changed his mind later and instructed them to become helpless waifs? In that case, God wouldn't be perfect so wouldn't be worthy of the "position" of God. What you propose, that people should do nothing to enforce accountability amongst themselves, doesn't match the creation stories in Genesis. If people were made in God's image, should they be powerless by choice? Does "turn the other cheek" mean people should allow themselves to be victimized by others? Was Christ saying human society should be nothing more than a near anarchy of victims to evil? Of course not.
Methinks you are mixing the concepts of forgiveness and absolution of responsibilities. They are two very, very different concepts.
By allowing possession to be legal, you enable child pornography to continue hurting the victims long after the initial abuse. You are the one responding without reading the post.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Obama is the only choice for those who actually want an administration with a hope in hell of understanding the technological changes to the economy and politics. Hosting on Windows? That means Clinton doesn't have a single competent technical person available on her whole team. Having an entertainment industry guy as a tech advisor? That's not just incompetence it's evil.
Extermination of the McCain and Clinton campaigns by all technical means is accordingly authorized.
By we, trolls, that is.
A determined effort could remove more or less all Baby Boomers from government and official posts in a few years, at worst by 2012. It would require the kind of discipline already being shown by the people who run wikileaks, sourcewatch, dkosopedia, mccainpedia, and so on. These are the best services of their kind. There are also lots of determined trolls on Wikipedia to keep exposing the lies and errors of the Baby Boomers and their ideological cohorts, "supply-side" economists and advisors. Here's how to take them down:
1. Catalog their lies. These people lie and expect to get away with it. Make sure they can't. Link every questionable factual comment they make to a direct credible contradiction.
2. Catalog their ignorance. If they say they didn't know or couldn't have known something, prove they were informed by a source they should have trusted or at least investigated.
3. Investigate their children. A major weakness of Baby Boomers now is that they have adult kids with addictions, stupid errors on the record and unethical associations and jobs. Often the kids show the same neglect and ignorance their parents demonstrate in public affairs. Embarass and make it very clear that you aren't going to go away until the Boomer retires permanently from public life. Papparazzi tactics. You know the drill.
4. Highlight hypocrisy. The Baby Boomers continue the "War on Drugs" make-work campaign but of course they have all used various drugs themselves and continue to, as do their children. No mercy. Every use of any illegal drug or any illegal drug-linked act (like drunk driving) must be highlighted and no mercy given. Forgiving Bush for taking cocaine was obviously a mistake, right?
5. Investigate their investments. Baby Boomers hold portfolios that include Exxon, Blackwater, Halliburton, you name it, every evil corporation on the planet. This is a bet on evil continuing and it certainly does affect their public decisions. Who cares if they surrended these into a blind trust? What were they doing holding them as of the date they surrendered them? This ethical cleansing of investments would have been undertaken long before ever entering public life, by people actually concerned about the health or environment or social equity impact of what they invest in.
6. Fake porn and video game skins. No one born after 1990 would care much about having their face pasted on some porn image. But most people born before 1970 would be upset. Also changing the images of targets in first-person shooters is easy to do in some game architectures. Making it plain that satire these days isn't a matter of still cartoons published in newspapers may help drive the Boomers from politics just a bit faster.
7. List and prove technical exploits. Boomers use Windows to host. Easy enough to demonstrate as insecure. No one running Windows as a host system for their campaign should be allowed to run a security-sensitive military system. The military intelligence agencies use mediawiki on a LAMP stack and keep it all firewalled very nicely. Why should they report to someone whose content management and security are run so much less competently? It's a risk to them and the country. Show the journalists what's possible.
8. Expose aides and their unethical campaigning. Wikiscanner is a good start but can be improved. Sourcewatch covers lobbyists and public relations firms and all the hidden links to the candidates. Get Baby Boomer spin doctors and all other paid shills banned for life from editing any of these critical forums. That'll put more than a little cramp in their style and job prospects. The best people might even decide not to work for a Baby Boomer candidate to avoid the inevitable savaging and banning that then results.
9. Take hard positions and advocate them with deep background briefings. Reframe and change the tersm of debate. End the war on drugs - it's a medical problem. End the war on terror - it's a diplomatic problem for the negotiators at t
Obama's website is hosted by pair.com not godaddy.com.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
A picture of a murder hurts the victim's families. A picture of a robbery hurts the victims. A picture of a rape hurts the victim. A picture of any crime will hurt the victim of that crime. Why should child abuse be a special case worthy of thought crime status? Do you really think its not a thought crime? Do you think people are finding victims of child abuse to show the pictures?
And your argument that people will recognize the victim from the pictures, I reject. You can't say that without being a hypocrite unless you're willing to outlaw all pictures of any person being victimized.
she needs a bigger one.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Nature is not an entity, but a concept. As suck it is not capable of sentience. While I might be a part of nature, I am also an entity, and a sentient one. My having sentience doesn't translate to nature having sentience, since nature is just a concept, not a "being". It's not even a "thing", though it is composed of "things".
I am composed of atoms. Those atoms are not sentient, and never will be. They do not "acquire" sentience by becoming a part of me.