This really irks me, to see someone like this taken advantage of by the very community he was tryping to advocate and help. I think this is a sad commentary about how many people out there that claim to want to do good with open source and free software are just as willing to screw someone as everyone else. IMNSHO this makes them just as bad as the very corporations they are trying to "show the way". I mean who couldn't pay the, what, 5.00-21.00 USD they owed. This is ridiculous, these people make me sick. Hypocrites one and all, they cared nothing for the person/s behind what they were taking advantage of or for the ideals and morals of the community. I wouls send money if I thought it would help, and guess what I never even used the service.I hope that any one of the deadbeat bastards that helped do this read this little rant get highly offended. Those people have ruined something for the rest of us and should be in some way punished by the community, I say have Chris give us the list of non-paying customers so that we can exact payment from them. Be it money or service they should pay, and pay more than what they owed because now none of us can ever use that resource again. So lets e-mail chris get the list and post here and on all newsgroups to let the world know what a waste of life these people really are.
Ok moderators, you can waste you mod. points moderating me down cause of flamebait, I expect it.
They are accurately reflecting the cost, they are including the cost of the added tach support personnel. Unlike some of us the rest of the world will call tech support and ask questions.
Whe are you people going to learn, RH has the most corporate recognition and therefore is the only viable choice for a compnay like Dell. Read the comments a few up, multiple distros=tech support nightmares. I think you will see SuSE long before you see Slackware from a major player like Dell. SuSE has the European market penetration to make it look good to international companies.
RH is Linux, Linux is not RH, my boss has never heard of Debian or Slackware, when are people gonna understand this ?
Actually FYI most colleges and large corps have site licenses for things like NT.
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As long as huge awesome apps like Office (don't tell me it's 'bloatware' and shit, you stupid zealots. Only hackers still use text-editors.)
Lets see, Word Perferct, Koffice, Corel, Star Office. Compapred to any one of these MS Office,IS bloatware, any flippin' Office suite that takes 4, count 'em 4 CDs to ship, could be anything but bloatware.
Guys this is all just realism. We do this Linux thing because it's a hobby. Us hackers are the type of people who like to know what no one else knows. We like to have secret weapons to show off if need be. If everyone uses Linux, then what is the point anymore?
I was under the impression that, that [everyone using Linux] was the point. Call me naive, but arent we doing this for the masses, to show them that there is a different if not better choice ? If you are only doing it because it is cool, then maybe you are in it for the wrong reasons. There are plenty of us out here who have put their jobs on the line and used Linux, only to prove to upper management that it is cost effective and requires less day to day support.
And even if you are right... 5 to 7 years??? Come on! What we know of user interfaces will be NOTHING like right now in 5 to 7 years! If anything, we will sit and have conversations with our computers. I know I don't want to be looking at some dumb colorful icon while I chat with my machine. Each UI serves a purpose, and KDE will either fall or change into something that is no longer what we know of KDE.
Sure and "1984" came true ! These specualtions are ridiculous, The UI IS changing but ever so slowly. Wnat will keep it roughly the same as it is, is the same thing that keeps MS in power, the people. Have you EVER tried to get someone to use a different UI, or convince a secretary that uses WIN95 that Linux is better ? KDE is growing up, and they will be able to change with the time, but I disagree with you abhout the UI being so totally different in 5 years. Come to think of it I disagree with just about everything you said
Quite a few people run KFM as a browser. I like it much better than Netscape 4.x, it doesn't blow up nearly as often. On the Linux discussion board at work we just talked about how netscape has problems with even/. certain days. KFM has steadily shown every page I asked it to. So in answer to your question, yes KFM needs to run Java.
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I am running KDE at the office, on a P120 and it does not come up quite as fast as my P2-300 running NT, but it is within a second or two. Sounds more like a probalem with the install, not the program itself.
Is it just me or does anyone else find the fact she used the word regime a bit disconerting ? For once I will not jump into the obvious debate about political parties that can spring from this kind of article. I find it ver disturbing that she would say either because the software is in the "public domain"... when the agreement in reference soes not cover that software. This whole line of reasoning coming from our government today has me pretty paranoid.
My question is with products like PGP available can they really stop this from getting inot the hands of the masses ? Making it illeagle would not hold up in court nor would it be enforceable. The fact that they would like to try bothers me more than anything else.
But I (who posted the etymological note) don't believe in the activity when practiced by either parents or governments
Are you actually saying that a parent has no right to censor what their child sees ? That is one of the duties a parent has to their children is to censor what they see. A parent has every right in the world to censor Saturday morning cartoons, a childs web connection, or comic books. If this software used by choice makes a parents job a little easier then it's not so bad, obviously it is not perfect, but maybe one could vacuum the living room instead of sitting at the computer with their child for 6 hours.
It may be easy to get things running (or not) but if it is not easy to get things running right, what good is it. If it is so easy, why do we need MCSEs, etc?
There is very little need for MCSE's. Anyone can study a Transcender and get one, WITHOUT knowing how to do jack with a network or NT. MCSE gets you a little more money for your work but that is changing also as companies realize that over half os these so-called certifies people aren't worth the paper their certification is written on. I should know I got my MCSE without ever having installed NT Server. I know a lot about networks in general and that is what I do, but guess what, I am certified on NT Server.
As an Irishman and a protestant it really gets under my skin when Americans who probably haven't even been to Ireland think an understanding of Irish politics can be genetically transmitted.
How did I know this would come up, I have my grandfather to speak to about politics and converse on a regular basis with my relatives in Ireland. I do not think that any understanding of the politics comes to me genetically, far from it. I have a cousin in prison, accused of being a mamber of the IRA. I have been to Ireland and your assumptions are crap.
Firstly let me make it absolutely clear that I believe in self-determination for Ireland (both bits), and the principle of majority consent. Can you say as much ?
It is not a question of what I believe now is it ? It is a question of forcing a so called majority opinion down the throats of people who love their country and want to see it free.
I quite agree the Brits should not ever have invaded Ireland. The world would be a much happier place. However, they did. Unless you know a way of reversing history, we have to live with the consequences. Since the majority of the population of Northern Ireland chooses to remain in the UK, the UK government has to keep them there. Do you really think anything else can be done ?
A majority, well there are many opinions on how that majority was reached, it is only a majority if you believe that is was fair. Since Britain has always been fair to Ireland (yeah right) I guess you got me there.
As for the idea the British security service plants bombs, well, yes, maybe they do. It would seem pretty odd for them to go after police and army targets, or unionist bars, but yes, maybe they do. OTOH even what the IRA accepts it has done (and neither the IRA nor Sinn Fein makes any bones about supporting the use of force, even occasionally against protestant civilians) should repel any civilised person. Is the transfer of a tiny scrap of land, whose population doesn't even want it, from one western democracy to another really worth all that blood ? I'll leave you to answer that question yourself.
You mention that the population doesn't want this, well some of them do. What better targets for British Intelligence to choose ? As for the issue of spilling blood, yes it is worth it, I would be willing to give mine, are you willing to give yours to get it stop ? My guess would be, no. Lets get one thing straight before we continue any further in this discussion, the only reason I live in the USA is because I don't have the money to move to Ireland as of yet. I will be there by August of next year. I do not think that my heritage gives me any knowledge beyond what I have studied on my own. However the point is not for me to die for the cause, now is it ?
The vast (like 80 or 90%) majority of the population of Nothern Ireland (aka Ulster) don't want to leave the Union (of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland, not of England and Northern Ireland). It's nothing to do with 'England letting Ireland go'
Oh and I suppose British military standing outside the polling places when the vote was taken had nothing to do with the outcome. The statistics are crap and everyone who is involved at all with the situation knows it. Tell you what I can post some quotes from Gerry Adams if you want me to. They would be just as accurate as your figures.
2/ Braveheart was about William Wallace, who was a Scot, fighting for Scottish autonomy. Nothing to do with Ireland.
That is SIR William Wallace, he was kinghted by the Lords in Scotland
1/ The reduction in civil liberty related to the intelligence campaign against republican and/or unionist terrorism extends far beyond this. And in general the public have accepted it as a necessary evil.
Oh really, I think you are talking out your arse on this one. The "general public" have not a single clue as to what is going on in the name of "intelligence gathering" and if they did people would be very close to revolting. And if you think that fighting for freedom is terrorism then you sir are a very sad person. This is the only bloody war the whole world is not up in arms about the nationals having a right to their homeland, and it pisses me off to no end. You want to talk about civil liberties, how about the men being help prisoner in Britain accused of being memebers of the IRA, you know the ones that are moved every time their family moves closer so they can see them. How about it being illeagle for years and years to speak your native language in your own country, or drafting young men and sending them off to a war their homeland wasn't involved in. I guess you think one more right taken away is no big deal. I am sick of bleeding hearts like you that are willing to sacrifice civil liberties for a "greater good". What if I did not think that your good was greater than my freedoms.
Feel free to comment on paranoia, civil liberty, etc. Stay way from commenting on other stuff which you clearly know nothing about.
You would do well to follow your own advice. I will not apologize for the tone of this comment, nor will I apologize for my views on Ireland.
You have no clue who the IRA are, or who Sinn Fein are, or what the politics involved have been coming to for years. As an Irish-American (Third Generation) it really gets under my skin when people make comments like this. The Brits souldn't be in Ireland in the first place, and there are plently of bombs that no-one ever took the credit for, maybe the Brits planted them theirselves to make the world believe it was the IRA and support the Brits even more. Any way Braveheart was about Scotland, you have probably offended every Irishman that read your post.
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I can't believe you actually think that most users don't have admin rights under NT, wake up and smell the FUD, NT Admins are at best lazy. I am trying to get the policy changed at work to where users don't have admin rights when logged in normally. I work for one of the largest companies in the world, and they pay out the ass for these so called admins, you know the ones who decided to give all users admin rights with their normal login so their jobs would be easier.
Not having taken the time to read the entire link you posted, It states it affects 2.0.x kernels, easy fix upgrade the kernel, end of story. You don't even realize what NT is like in a production environment. However I can't thenk of a way to allow a user to do simple thing like install software on thier workstation without giving them admin access, on our linux boxes the user d/ls the software and then calls us, we remotley install it for them in a matter of a few minutes usually. No end user has root access to their workstation because we were smarter than that when we wrote the standard, it's still in test phase but it is working very well.
I can see a plugin that attches itself to a commonly used file once the end user runs the infected file, so that it is almost sure to be run by the NT admin. Bang infected with admin access, NT is full of holes, not all of them are security but those are the ones we can try to get MS to fix.
BO2k has helped us convince upper management to fast-track Linux standards at work, and that is a good thing. But to say that Linux doesn;t have holes is FUD, they are just easier to keep plugged. I would get my head out of MS's ass if I were you and wake up and see the threat that is here. Denying a threat exists only propogates the problem, and people like you are the reason MS keeps releasing crap, because you believe they can do no wrong. Read the whole thread, Linux users/admins have no problem disscussing security flaws in Linux, and how to fix them, MS users/admins shove their heads in the sand and ignore the problem. MS shall perish becuase the world will get tired of being force feed their crap.
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One could not write a program that would do what BO does on every Linux box it was run on, it would have to run as root. Only newbies are logged in as root all the time, and within 24 hours of something like BO being released for Linux there would be a patch/detection/fix released and sysadmins would know to use it. NT admins do not tend to have the level of security awareness the *nix admins do. Sending a secretary a electronic greeting card will get BO installed on most networks. After that she forwards the file to a few of her friends and guess what, security comprimised. It might be a little harder to get upper management to run a program but I doubt it.
I know your solution is to install a detector on every machine, but this is open source, it will mutate beyond detection very quickly. MS downplayed the initial release of BO, and the cDc responded with this release, maybe the unwashed masses will finally see that MS products are full of security holes, don't even get me started on VBA. It is the, dumbass users as you call them, that make up the majority of the computer market, what makes you think you are so much better than they are. Frankly your comment about that disgusts me, I suppose you have never gotten a virus. I am an admin, but I don't feel that I am high and mighty compared to my users, get real, without users I wouldn't ahve a job.
I cannot agree with the tactics used to prove MS's security flaws, but at least someone is pointing them out, and they are using a big red pointer to do it. If NT security was not screwed to begin with then this problem wouldn't exist. There is a reason that there are not many programs like this and viruses for Linux, it is very hard to do. There are plenty of cracking tools, but most sysadmins know what to watch for. I'll bet at least 50% of the NT admins out there have believed MS's FUD about this and are telling their users there is no problem. So no, the cDc is not asking MS to fix the users, how about fixing the things that allow this prgram to do this to begin with. I am going to lower myself to your level now and say this, it's people like you that allow MS to continue to produce buggy software with swiss cheese like security holes. ( I was going to call you something insulting, but I decided that I couldn't bear to lower myself all the way to your level) Have a nice day.
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And which division of MS do you work for ? After the original release of BO and the way MS downplayed it, and now BO2k, it doesn't really matter if they are "a bunch of sad teenagers with serious delusions of grandeur" now does it. they've even released it under the GPL, for God's sake! which means it will be mutated and changed in ways that MS and the "anti-viral community" cannot even begin to keep up with. Yes Linux has security flaws, and they are fixed usually within 24 hours of being reported. The effect this could have is frightening, however I think that most of us out here that still have to use MS product are aware of the security threats and take precautions to minimize the risk. Linux is easier to lock down than NT and any sysadmin worth his salt is the only one who even knows the root password. It is much harder to hack a root password from a user account on Linux than it is to send someone an e-greeting card with BO attached. I don't think this is being overplayed by Linux advocates, I do know for a fact it is being played down to the point of being dangerous by MS advocates. The cDc is forcing MS to notice them and by doing that they just might be able to force MS to fix some flaws in their OS. IMHO this is a "Good Thing" I don't think any of the Linux users that have a decent IQ are getting cocky about NT, the fact is, it is less secure, more unstable, and frankly uglier than Linux. (OK uglier is an opinion not a fact) Oh and from the looks of it (just look around on/.) most of the anti-social lamers seem to be part of this side of the fight, I have to disagree with the terrorist type tactics some of them use, but overall they are pretty amusing. I am sorry if it seemed I was ranting, oh and back to the original question, which MS division did you say you worked for ?
KR did not waste the movie, he was a programmer who found out reality isn't reality.....it would shake a person up a little bit to find that their whole life was just a program. And while we criticize KR all we want, fact is the unwashed masses love him, he makes money for studios. I did not find that his horrible acting spoiled the movie at all, I think he was type cast for the dumb and confused part very well.
I can see how easy it would be to do a per/sequel, it's as easy as having one of the characters tell someone a story. However I would hope that they do more than just that with the films.
"The story and characters lend themselves to any number of permutations and combinations."
With broad sweeping statements like this. they could easily take this in directions that even, we the geeks, cannot foresee. It seems like most everyone I know liked something about the movie, whether it was the story, the special effects, or the actors, which is more than I can say for another summer release. I can see the sequels to this movie beating two other certain sequels in the long run.
Keanu Reeves is in general, a horrible actor but in this role he was cast perfectly, they need someone who could act dumb and confused real well and he has that covered. Unfortunatley he has been cast for the other two and the deal had been signed. Oh well. I hope they re-release the first one at the time they release the other two, I can't think of a more interesting way to spend six hours alone in the dark.
With all the wing-flapping going on here, the truth is that the record companies will probably win because they will deliver a more compact, higher fidelity package of music that is easier to access and just outright more attractive to most purchasers and users of music
I have to disagree with this statement. MP3 while lossy and not as god as CD or vinyl, is still good enough for the common man. The average consumer doesn't hace the sound system in their home to tell the difference, and if they do they probably don't know how to use it to it''s full potential. To quote Chuck D. from an article in Wired "The shit has already hit the fan". The RIAA DOES NOT represent the whole music industry nor do they represent artists. Artists themselves see MP3 as an escape from f*cked up contracts low raylaties and other evils of corporate America. The RIAA had advanced warning with tapes and CDs, there was no avanced warning with MP3, its already here. My point, even if "the industry" comes out with a better compression mathod with all sorts of protection, MP3 is already here and they can't make it go away. An open source compression method with better sound quality would stand a chance but anything with copy protection is dead in the water before it even gets started.
To state that gov't intervention is necessary is completely incorrect. First off the people who responded are not the people that I refered to often in my first post, this is obvious. I firmly believe, that the gov't has no business in the marketplace, our anti-trust laws are as outdated as our copyright laws. To think that any business does not have the right to practice business as they see fit, denies the owners of the company the basic right to decide how the company should be run. By setting the double standard you give rights to some while taking away from others, this is internsically wrong. We (America) have taken away the companies right to choose who to hire, how to run their business, and the basic right to be a business without the gov't bothering them. The companies in question have always had the choice to not deal with MS products at all, they signed the contracts, and played the game until they didn't like it anymore then ran to the gov't for help. These lawsuits are wasting mine and the rest of the taxpayers money.
Libertarians who naively beleive in the free laizzes faire market myth dont realize that without antitrust, their wonderful capitalist economy will become a pseudo-communist-oligarchist system.
This whole statement is FUD. Communism=Gov't involvement. I shudder to think that intellectual people still believe that gov't intervention at the level we have in the US is good. This is a travesty. With anti-trust laws being hopelessly outdated and our freedoms being eroded daily, you still can't see the forest for the trees. I am not a Libertarian, but I do understand where they are coming from. The gov'y is doing to MS what they accuse MS of doing to other companies. I have stated many times that MS will fall, and they will, I think they should fall without the gov't blowing up the base. I think with the constant erosion of our freedoms that you cannot pick and choose which freedoms you think should be eroded. All of our personal freedoms are under attack, as are a companies freedom to practice business in a manner that they see fit. I do not approve of the way MS goes about business, but if all of the companies that accuse MS of bullying had pulled out and supported another vendor then MS would have been stopped long ago. They did not, therefore it is their own fault they are in the situation they claim to be in. I for one am appalled that my tax money is being spent to fund a witch hunt against MS. I appreciate the intelligent responses to my views. I have almost stopped posting in the past, not due to the fact that my views are not the most popular, but because the responses in the past were idiocy in print.
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you got it backwards man, ten key pads were in place long before touch tone phones were.
This really irks me, to see someone like this taken advantage of by the very community he was tryping to advocate and help. I think this is a sad commentary about how many people out there that claim to want to do good with open source and free software are just as willing to screw someone as everyone else. IMNSHO this makes them just as bad as the very corporations they are trying to "show the way". I mean who couldn't pay the, what, 5.00-21.00 USD they owed. This is ridiculous, these people make me sick. Hypocrites one and all, they cared nothing for the person/s behind what they were taking advantage of or for the ideals and morals of the community. I wouls send money if I thought it would help, and guess what I never even used the service.I hope that any one of the deadbeat bastards that helped do this read this little rant get highly offended. Those people have ruined something for the rest of us and should be in some way punished by the community, I say have Chris give us the list of non-paying customers so that we can exact payment from them. Be it money or service they should pay, and pay more than what they owed because now none of us can ever use that resource again. So lets e-mail chris get the list and post here and on all newsgroups to let the world know what a waste of life these people really are.
Ok moderators, you can waste you mod. points moderating me down cause of flamebait, I expect it.
Mitnick waived his right to a speedy trial. I would guess that you have been foloowing the case from afar or living under a rock.
They are accurately reflecting the cost, they are including the cost of the added tach support personnel. Unlike some of us the rest of the world will call tech support and ask questions.
Whe are you people going to learn, RH has the most corporate recognition and therefore is the only viable choice for a compnay like Dell. Read the comments a few up, multiple distros=tech support nightmares. I think you will see SuSE long before you see Slackware from a major player like Dell. SuSE has the European market penetration to make it look good to international companies.
RH is Linux, Linux is not RH, my boss has never heard of Debian or Slackware, when are people gonna understand this ?
Actually FYI most colleges and large corps have site licenses for things like NT.
I guess you haven't heard MS is releasing another OS base on the 9x kernel, have you ?
As long as huge awesome apps like Office (don't tell me it's 'bloatware' and shit, you stupid zealots. Only hackers still use text-editors.)
,IS bloatware, any flippin' Office suite that takes 4, count 'em 4 CDs to ship, could be anything but bloatware.
Lets see, Word Perferct, Koffice, Corel, Star Office. Compapred to any one of these MS Office
Guys this is all just realism. We do this Linux thing because it's a hobby. Us hackers are the type of people who like to know what no one else knows. We like to have secret weapons to show off if need be. If everyone uses Linux, then what is the point anymore?
I was under the impression that, that [everyone using Linux] was the point. Call me naive, but arent we doing this for the masses, to show them that there is a different if not better choice ? If you are only doing it because it is cool, then maybe you are in it for the wrong reasons. There are plenty of us out here who have put their jobs on the line and used Linux, only to prove to upper management that it is cost effective and requires less day to day support.
And even if you are right... 5 to 7 years??? Come on! What we know of user interfaces will be NOTHING like right now in 5 to 7 years! If anything, we will sit and have conversations with our computers. I know I don't want to be looking at some dumb colorful icon while I chat with my machine. Each UI serves a purpose, and KDE will either fall or change into something that is no longer what we know of KDE.
Sure and "1984" came true ! These specualtions are ridiculous, The UI IS changing but ever so slowly. Wnat will keep it roughly the same as it is, is the same thing that keeps MS in power, the people. Have you EVER tried to get someone to use a different UI, or convince a secretary that uses WIN95 that Linux is better ? KDE is growing up, and they will be able to change with the time, but I disagree with you abhout the UI being so totally different in 5 years. Come to think of it I disagree with just about everything you said
Quite a few people run KFM as a browser. I like it much better than Netscape 4.x, it doesn't blow up nearly as often. On the Linux discussion board at work we just talked about how netscape has problems with even /. certain days. KFM has steadily shown every page I asked it to. So in answer to your question, yes KFM needs to run Java.
I am running KDE at the office, on a P120 and it does not come up quite as fast as my P2-300 running NT, but it is within a second or two. Sounds more like a probalem with the install, not the program itself.
Is it just me or does anyone else find the fact she used the word regime a bit disconerting ? For once I will not jump into the obvious debate about political parties that can spring from this kind of article. I find it ver disturbing that she would say either because the software is in the "public domain"... when the agreement in reference soes not cover that software. This whole line of reasoning coming from our government today has me pretty paranoid.
My question is with products like PGP available can they really stop this from getting inot the hands of the masses ? Making it illeagle would not hold up in court nor would it be enforceable. The fact that they would like to try bothers me more than anything else.
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But I (who posted the etymological note) don't believe in the activity when practiced by either parents or governments
Are you actually saying that a parent has no right to censor what their child sees ? That is one of the duties a parent has to their children is to censor what they see. A parent has every right in the world to censor Saturday morning cartoons, a childs web connection, or comic books. If this software used by choice makes a parents job a little easier then it's not so bad, obviously it is not perfect, but maybe one could vacuum the living room instead of sitting at the computer with their child for 6 hours.
It may be easy to get things running (or not) but if it is not easy to get things running right, what good is it. If it is so easy, why do we need MCSEs, etc?
There is very little need for MCSE's. Anyone can study a Transcender and get one, WITHOUT knowing how to do jack with a network or NT. MCSE gets you a little more money for your work but that is changing also as companies realize that over half os these so-called certifies people aren't worth the paper their certification is written on. I should know I got my MCSE without ever having installed NT Server. I know a lot about networks in general and that is what I do, but guess what, I am certified on NT Server.
Nice to hear for the Intel employee
As an Irishman and a protestant it really gets under my skin when Americans who probably haven't even been to Ireland think an understanding of Irish politics can be genetically transmitted.
How did I know this would come up, I have my grandfather to speak to about politics and converse on a regular basis with my relatives in Ireland. I do not think that any understanding of the politics comes to me genetically, far from it. I have a cousin in prison, accused of being a mamber of the IRA. I have been to Ireland and your assumptions are crap.
Firstly let me make it absolutely clear that I believe in self-determination for Ireland (both bits), and the principle of majority consent. Can you say as much ?
It is not a question of what I believe now is it ? It is a question of forcing a so called majority opinion down the throats of people who love their country and want to see it free.
I quite agree the Brits should not ever have invaded Ireland. The world would be a much happier place. However, they did. Unless you know a way of reversing history, we have to live with the consequences. Since the majority of the population of Northern Ireland chooses to remain in the UK, the UK government has to keep them there. Do you really think anything else can be done ?
A majority, well there are many opinions on how that majority was reached, it is only a majority if you believe that is was fair. Since Britain has always been fair to Ireland (yeah right) I guess you got me there.
As for the idea the British security service plants bombs, well, yes, maybe they do. It would seem pretty odd for them to go after police and army targets, or unionist bars, but yes, maybe they do. OTOH even what the IRA accepts it has done (and neither the IRA nor Sinn Fein makes any bones about supporting the use of force, even occasionally against protestant civilians) should repel any civilised person. Is the transfer of a tiny scrap of land, whose population doesn't even want it, from one western democracy to another really worth all that blood ? I'll leave you to answer that question yourself.
You mention that the population doesn't want this, well some of them do. What better targets for British Intelligence to choose ? As for the issue of spilling blood, yes it is worth it, I would be willing to give mine, are you willing to give yours to get it stop ? My guess would be, no. Lets get one thing straight before we continue any further in this discussion, the only reason I live in the USA is because I don't have the money to move to Ireland as of yet. I will be there by August of next year. I do not think that my heritage gives me any knowledge beyond what I have studied on my own. However the point is not for me to die for the cause, now is it ?
The vast (like 80 or 90%) majority of the population of Nothern Ireland (aka Ulster) don't want to leave the Union (of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland, not of England and Northern Ireland). It's nothing to do with 'England letting Ireland go'
Oh and I suppose British military standing outside the polling places when the vote was taken had nothing to do with the outcome. The statistics are crap and everyone who is involved at all with the situation knows it. Tell you what I can post some quotes from Gerry Adams if you want me to. They would be just as accurate as your figures.
2/ Braveheart was about William Wallace, who was a Scot, fighting for Scottish autonomy. Nothing to do with Ireland.
That is SIR William Wallace, he was kinghted by the Lords in Scotland
1/ The reduction in civil liberty related to the intelligence campaign against republican and/or unionist terrorism extends far beyond this. And in general the public have accepted it as a necessary evil.
Oh really, I think you are talking out your arse on this one. The "general public" have not a single clue as to what is going on in the name of "intelligence gathering" and if they did people would be very close to revolting. And if you think that fighting for freedom is terrorism then you sir are a very sad person. This is the only bloody war the whole world is not up in arms about the nationals having a right to their homeland, and it pisses me off to no end. You want to talk about civil liberties, how about the men being help prisoner in Britain accused of being memebers of the IRA, you know the ones that are moved every time their family moves closer so they can see them. How about it being illeagle for years and years to speak your native language in your own country, or drafting young men and sending them off to a war their homeland wasn't involved in. I guess you think one more right taken away is no big deal. I am sick of bleeding hearts like you that are willing to sacrifice civil liberties for a "greater good". What if I did not think that your good was greater than my freedoms.
Feel free to comment on paranoia, civil liberty, etc. Stay way from commenting on other stuff which you clearly know nothing about.
You would do well to follow your own advice. I will not apologize for the tone of this comment, nor will I apologize for my views on Ireland.
after all the IRA has set off a bomb or two
You have no clue who the IRA are, or who Sinn Fein are, or what the politics involved have been coming to for years. As an Irish-American (Third Generation) it really gets under my skin when people make comments like this. The Brits souldn't be in Ireland in the first place, and there are plently of bombs that no-one ever took the credit for, maybe the Brits planted them theirselves to make the world believe it was the IRA and support the Brits even more. Any way Braveheart was about Scotland, you have probably offended every Irishman that read your post.
I can't believe you actually think that most users don't have admin rights under NT, wake up and smell the FUD, NT Admins are at best lazy. I am trying to get the policy changed at work to where users don't have admin rights when logged in normally. I work for one of the largest companies in the world, and they pay out the ass for these so called admins, you know the ones who decided to give all users admin rights with their normal login so their jobs would be easier.
Not having taken the time to read the entire link you posted, It states it affects 2.0.x kernels, easy fix upgrade the kernel, end of story. You don't even realize what NT is like in a production environment. However I can't thenk of a way to allow a user to do simple thing like install software on thier workstation without giving them admin access, on our linux boxes the user d/ls the software and then calls us, we remotley install it for them in a matter of a few minutes usually. No end user has root access to their workstation because we were smarter than that when we wrote the standard, it's still in test phase but it is working very well.
I can see a plugin that attches itself to a commonly used file once the end user runs the infected file, so that it is almost sure to be run by the NT admin. Bang infected with admin access, NT is full of holes, not all of them are security but those are the ones we can try to get MS to fix.
BO2k has helped us convince upper management to fast-track Linux standards at work, and that is a good thing. But to say that Linux doesn;t have holes is FUD, they are just easier to keep plugged. I would get my head out of MS's ass if I were you and wake up and see the threat that is here. Denying a threat exists only propogates the problem, and people like you are the reason MS keeps releasing crap, because you believe they can do no wrong. Read the whole thread, Linux users/admins have no problem disscussing security flaws in Linux, and how to fix them, MS users/admins shove their heads in the sand and ignore the problem. MS shall perish becuase the world will get tired of being force feed their crap.
One could not write a program that would do what BO does on every Linux box it was run on, it would have to run as root. Only newbies are logged in as root all the time, and within 24 hours of something like BO being released for Linux there would be a patch/detection/fix released and sysadmins would know to use it. NT admins do not tend to have the level of security awareness the *nix admins do. Sending a secretary a electronic greeting card will get BO installed on most networks. After that she forwards the file to a few of her friends and guess what, security comprimised. It might be a little harder to get upper management to run a program but I doubt it.
I know your solution is to install a detector on every machine, but this is open source, it will mutate beyond detection very quickly. MS downplayed the initial release of BO, and the cDc responded with this release, maybe the unwashed masses will finally see that MS products are full of security holes, don't even get me started on VBA. It is the, dumbass users as you call them, that make up the majority of the computer market, what makes you think you are so much better than they are. Frankly your comment about that disgusts me, I suppose you have never gotten a virus. I am an admin, but I don't feel that I am high and mighty compared to my users, get real, without users I wouldn't ahve a job.
I cannot agree with the tactics used to prove MS's security flaws, but at least someone is pointing them out, and they are using a big red pointer to do it. If NT security was not screwed to begin with then this problem wouldn't exist. There is a reason that there are not many programs like this and viruses for Linux, it is very hard to do. There are plenty of cracking tools, but most sysadmins know what to watch for. I'll bet at least 50% of the NT admins out there have believed MS's FUD about this and are telling their users there is no problem. So no, the cDc is not asking MS to fix the users, how about fixing the things that allow this prgram to do this to begin with. I am going to lower myself to your level now and say this, it's people like you that allow MS to continue to produce buggy software with swiss cheese like security holes. ( I was going to call you something insulting, but I decided that I couldn't bear to lower myself all the way to your level) Have a nice day.
And which division of MS do you work for ? /.) most of the anti-social lamers seem to be part of this side of the fight, I have to disagree with the terrorist type tactics some of them use, but overall they are pretty amusing. I am sorry if it seemed I was ranting, oh and back to the original question, which MS division did you say you worked for ?
After the original release of BO and the way MS downplayed it, and now BO2k, it doesn't really matter if they are "a bunch of sad teenagers with serious delusions of grandeur" now does it. they've even released it under the GPL, for God's sake! which means it will be mutated and changed in ways that MS and the "anti-viral community" cannot even begin to keep up with. Yes Linux has security flaws, and they are fixed usually within 24 hours of being reported. The effect this could have is frightening, however I think that most of us out here that still have to use MS product are aware of the security threats and take precautions to minimize the risk. Linux is easier to lock down than NT and any sysadmin worth his salt is the only one who even knows the root password. It is much harder to hack a root password from a user account on Linux than it is to send someone an e-greeting card with BO attached. I don't think this is being overplayed by Linux advocates, I do know for a fact it is being played down to the point of being dangerous by MS advocates. The cDc is forcing MS to notice them and by doing that they just might be able to force MS to fix some flaws in their OS. IMHO this is a "Good Thing" I don't think any of the Linux users that have a decent IQ are getting cocky about NT, the fact is, it is less secure, more unstable, and frankly uglier than Linux. (OK uglier is an opinion not a fact) Oh and from the looks of it (just look around on
I wish I had moderator right now, a statement like this without any supporting evidence is just anti-US FUD. Get life, Get a cluse, and Get real.
KR did not waste the movie, he was a programmer who found out reality isn't reality.....it would shake a person up a little bit to find that their whole life was just a program. And while we criticize KR all we want, fact is the unwashed masses love him, he makes money for studios. I did not find that his horrible acting spoiled the movie at all, I think he was type cast for the dumb and confused part very well.
I can see how easy it would be to do a per/sequel, it's as easy as having one of the characters tell someone a story. However I would hope that they do more than just that with the films.
"The story and characters lend themselves to any number of permutations and combinations."
With broad sweeping statements like this. they could easily take this in directions that even, we the geeks, cannot foresee. It seems like most everyone I know liked something about the movie, whether it was the story, the special effects, or the actors, which is more than I can say for another summer release. I can see the sequels to this movie beating two other certain sequels in the long run.
Keanu Reeves is in general, a horrible actor but in this role he was cast perfectly, they need someone who could act dumb and confused real well and he has that covered. Unfortunatley he has been cast for the other two and the deal had been signed. Oh well. I hope they re-release the first one at the time they release the other two, I can't think of a more interesting way to spend six hours alone in the dark.
With all the wing-flapping going on here, the truth is that the record companies will probably win because they will deliver a more compact, higher fidelity package of music that is easier to access and just outright more attractive to most purchasers and users of music
I have to disagree with this statement. MP3 while lossy and not as god as CD or vinyl, is still good enough for the common man. The average consumer doesn't hace the sound system in their home to tell the difference, and if they do they probably don't know how to use it to it''s full potential. To quote Chuck D. from an article in Wired "The shit has already hit the fan". The RIAA DOES NOT represent the whole music industry nor do they represent artists. Artists themselves see MP3 as an escape from f*cked up contracts low raylaties and other evils of corporate America. The RIAA had advanced warning with tapes and CDs, there was no avanced warning with MP3, its already here. My point, even if "the industry" comes out with a better compression mathod with all sorts of protection, MP3 is already here and they can't make it go away. An open source compression method with better sound quality would stand a chance but anything with copy protection is dead in the water before it even gets started.
To state that gov't intervention is necessary is completely incorrect. First off the people who responded are not the people that I refered to often in my first post, this is obvious. I firmly believe, that the gov't has no business in the marketplace, our anti-trust laws are as outdated as our copyright laws. To think that any business does not have the right to practice business as they see fit, denies the owners of the company the basic right to decide how the company should be run. By setting the double standard you give rights to some while taking away from others, this is internsically wrong. We (America) have taken away the companies right to choose who to hire, how to run their business, and the basic right to be a business without the gov't bothering them. The companies in question have always had the choice to not deal with MS products at all, they signed the contracts, and played the game until they didn't like it anymore then ran to the gov't for help. These lawsuits are wasting mine and the rest of the taxpayers money.
Libertarians who naively beleive in the free laizzes faire market myth dont realize that without antitrust, their wonderful capitalist economy will become a pseudo-communist-oligarchist system.
This whole statement is FUD. Communism=Gov't involvement. I shudder to think that intellectual people still believe that gov't intervention at the level we have in the US is good. This is a travesty. With anti-trust laws being hopelessly outdated and our freedoms being eroded daily, you still can't see the forest for the trees. I am not a Libertarian, but I do understand where they are coming from. The gov'y is doing to MS what they accuse MS of doing to other companies. I have stated many times that MS will fall, and they will, I think they should fall without the gov't blowing up the base. I think with the constant erosion of our freedoms that you cannot pick and choose which freedoms you think should be eroded. All of our personal freedoms are under attack, as are a companies freedom to practice business in a manner that they see fit. I do not approve of the way MS goes about business, but if all of the companies that accuse MS of bullying had pulled out and supported another vendor then MS would have been stopped long ago. They did not, therefore it is their own fault they are in the situation they claim to be in. I for one am appalled that my tax money is being spent to fund a witch hunt against MS. I appreciate the intelligent responses to my views. I have almost stopped posting in the past, not due to the fact that my views are not the most popular, but because the responses in the past were idiocy in print.