"...but I used to travel alot and you can always dial in from anywhere. They even have an 800 number which you can use. Check Email, telnet..."
AOL isnt the only ISP that lets you dial in from anyware. Most big ISP's have 50 state dialups and some have 800 #'s. thelist.com has a list of alot of them. The nice thing about going with a REAL ISP is that they have real admins. Most ISP's will take care of problems. One of AOL's problems is with SpamBot's that hang out in chat rooms and pick up your Email( When i had AOL i got 80~100 SPAM's a day...no BS) address. so how does AOL fix this? They just tell people to turn off their Email or dont use chat. Keeping you happy isnt realy importent...you are only 1 user out of 11 Million
As long as the problem user keeps sending $20 a month to them they wont put a stop to it, it is very hard to get kicked off AOL.
>>Now if you people had some fu*king GUNS, you might have a chance Good point, didnt the US help disarm all the austrailian people? Guess that was the first step. I'll bet the US gov will start pulling this stuff here in the states soon too.
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read something like "the only way they will get my gun is by prying it from my cold dead hands". May be if the austrailian people cared about their rights as much as that guy with the sticker they wouldnt have these problems. They should have fought the govmt when they took the guns. Now they are all unarmed and the govmt can do what ever the hell they want...and the people cant do shit.
Whats to keep someone from starting their own top level domain? like.foo or something. Wouldnt we just have to set up some.foo root servers and let it go?
And if i buy my domain from AOL does that mean i have to go by the AOL "TOS"?:)
>>...would be no MAC and no Windows:-; And this is a bad thing?:)
never realy understood the point of the evangelist
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Why did the MacEvangelists do all this work? They payed Apple for a computer and a OS. Then apple trains them to go out a sell more mac's for APPLE and "stop all the anti-mac FUD".
someone posted: >>. The evangelist probably could have done a good job toning down some of the slashdot threads if they were told to hang out on these boards at all. . I bet if this guy said so all the Apple sheep^H^H^H^H^H^ users would do it... Why? Is apple paying them? No. All they do is make Apple richer. Its almost as bad as us going out and selling Windows for MS....and NOT EVEN GET PAID for it.
So now that all these mac heads worked so hard they still will go out and buy the newest Mac and version of MacOS just because its newest thing with the Apple logo on it. No, no people its not a cult(1)...realy..
My computer serves me...I dont serve it.
(1) cult (kult) n. 1) a system of religious observances. 2) Extravagant devotion to a PERSON, CAUSE, or THING. 3) the object of such devotion. 4) A group of persons having an excessive interest in something.
Those old games are only good in ANSI color. Sure doing it another way would look neater and be more uptodate, but then it just wouldnt be as cool:) I used to play TW2002 via TELIX at 2400BPS, and there was some other game I forget the name of that was also fun. You had to set a town and and build armys so you could send them off to war with other peoples towns. Then you had to wait 24 hours to find out who won:)
What the hell are you talking about? I said a 5 year old COULD use the MacOS GUI. What is so bad about that? Show me a 5 year old that can edit init scripts and setup sendmail or bind.
> I simply pointed out several false claims that the article made. What you pointed out wasnt even wrong.
He said: "And what of command lines? Modern Unices including Linux no more rely on them than any other desktop operating system."
You said: "I don't rely on the command line at all in MacOS." umm...isnt that just what the guy said? The CLI is just a shell, like bash OR the MacOS GUI. Linux/UNIX and MacOS dont realy need a CLI at all. You could just use X as your shell (but Im sure you would be giving up all the good things you could do in a CLI)
He said: "Modern X-based systems are amazingly user-friendly and often superior in design to commercial variants"
You said: Hmmmm... I think he's still hallucinating.
What? I still think X is superior then any other GUI system. When you are on a network (where Linux/Unix realy kicks but:) ) You could open up the desktop from your own box no matter who's box you are on. It is like you are sitting at your computer yet you are on someone elses. Whats this good for? Well remote admin for one. Or you could have one balls to the walls server that runs all the apps that suck up alot of ram/CPU power and have them displayed on little 386/486 clients that just need enuf power to run the X client. This also works cross platform. *BSD,Linux,etc running on x86,alpha,ppc,etc can all share desktops. Its all X, it's all good. Try that with any other GUI.
he said: "The other great myth is Linux is hard to install."
you said: "Linux *is* hard to install compared to the most popular operating systems (and even some unpopular ones, such as the BeOS, which is incredibly easy to install)."
Keyword is "MOST". Ya linux is harder to insall then MacOS or BeOS. But Redhat's install is MUCH easyer (IMHO) and faster then NT or Solaris.
"I never could get XFree86 to work. Fortunately, I don't really need that functionality."
RTFM, get the newest X, and don't buy your vga cards at K-Mart...use the HWCL.
>> I don't see why you interprete my pointing out of fallacies in the article as attacks on your way of life (whatever that may be). Umm...what ever, I didnt see an attack. Just the start of a new trend. A trend that/I/ feel isnt good for Linux. I see alot of people(not so much you) bitching and crying about how linux sucks in area's that it was never ment to be good in.
"Linux's GUI has come along way but it's not quite there yet, MacOS still is far better and easyer to run"- well fine dont run Linux, run MacOS
"Linux dosnt support this and that and PnP, also can not run MS-Office or my new games"- well fine then...run Win*
Alot of people are stating weakness in area's of Linux that where never ment to be strong. It's kinda like saying "Mack Trucks are slower and handle like crap compared to my littte fast sports car."- Try towing a semi trailer with a Mustang.
>> Frankly, I think you give us linux users/advocates a bad name. I couldnt care less. I don't want to be an advocate. My OS serves me, I don't serve it.
What it comes right down to is if you try to make a OS that is good at Everything then you end up with an OS that isnt realy good at anything.
>> "As I posted (if they ever post my response) to the article, "If you build it, they will come". Why does the Linux community always make it a point to convey how "great" their OS is compared to MS" It's not the whole community...just a few with nothing better to do. To me it dosnt realy matter if 100 other people run linux or 1000000000. I would not like linux any less/more.
When you try to make a OS that is good at everything then at the end you end up with a OS that is good at NOTHING.
>> "For example: most 3D cards. Take an i740 chip, a Riva TNT, PowerVR, and lots of other cards marketed and sold as 3D PC video boards. How many drivers exist to really take advantage of the HW on them?"
Well what are you wanting to do with your linux box? play games? If so I think you sould be running a diffrent OS. You want to do some real gfx work then maybe you should be looking at a SGI system or something.
I think the reson you dont see support for all the 3D cards is that there is no real need for them in Linux. As for the normal 2D cards i have yet to run into a PCI (or ISA) VGA card that the/NEWEST/ X didnt support.
>>For example: most 3D cards. Take an i740 chip, a >>Riva TNT, PowerVR, and lots of other cards >>marketed and sold as 3D PC video boards. How >>many drivers exist to really take advantage of >>the HW on them?
Well what are you wanting to do with your linux box? play games? If so I think you sould be running a diffrent OS. You want to do some real gfx work then maybe you should be looking at a SGI system or something.
I think the reson you dont see support for all the 3D cards is that there is no real need for them in Linux. As for the 2D card i have yet to run into a PCI (or ISA) VGA card that the/NEWEST/ X didnt support.
'nuff said. If you don't want to know much about your computer and don't want to do diffrent things in diffrent ways then don't run Linux/Unix. If you want a Point-N-Click computer that a 5 year old can use and are willing to give up some speed and options and live with a few crashes then get MacOS.
Trying to make one OS a cure all is DUMB. It's just as dumb as thinking Windoze is for everyone and can be used to do anything. If MS was just happy with the desktop client world im sure they could make a real good OS with a real nice GUI. BUT they try to be a cure all, and you end up with 3 diffrent OS versions(9x,NT,CE) that arnt realy (i mean REALY) good at anything.
Oh and BTW: X is just a shell same with the CLI(bash,csh,whatever). X dosnt run on top of the CLI it runs on top of the kernel. The CLI also runs on top of the kernel. It is the same way with the MacOS GUI. You/Could/ just replace the GUI with a CLI.
'nuff said. If you don't want to know much about your computer and don't want to do diffrent things in diffrent ways then don't run Linux/Unix. If you want a Point-N-Click computer that a 5 year old can use and are willing to give up some speed and options and live with a few crashes then get MacOS.
Trying to make one OS a cure all is DUMB. It's just as dumb as thinking Windoze is for everyone and can be used to do anything. If MS was just happy with the desktop client world im sure they could make a real good OS with a real nice GUI. BUT they try to be a cure all, and you end up with 3 diffrent OS versions(9x,NT,CE) that arnt realy (i mean REALY) good at anything.
>>The GUID was invented by the Open Source >>community a while back, for use in RPC >>environments. And? Do we still see it used much? nope. Did we all know it was there? yep. Did it go into all Documents and who knows what else that is made on that computer? NOPE >> It's also >>passed around in EVERY SINGLE CORBA OBJECT YOU >>CREATE. How meny Cobra objects do people write? And when they do write them they usely take credit for it.
If you knew the place you where working for was doing something wrong and you wanted to tell the Media or the police/feds yet wanted to not be named would you want your GUID going into that Email/Document?
>>it appears everyone wants total freedom with >>zero responsibility Responsiblilty to WHO?! MS? The US GOV? Why the hell should they know what I do on the Internet?
I got a better idea. Lets have the US GOV stamp BARCODES on our forheads. And put little scanners all over the place so they can track where we go and what we do 24/7/365. So if a store gets held up they can know who did it. What a good idea!
>>and we need to determine how to implement and >>use it. We would have no say in it...get your head out of the sand.
>> I implore you to consider how? We >>have police forces, the IRS, Social Security >>Agency, Credit Agencies and many other >>institutions that have our censent and the Maybe you did...i didnt. And remeber when they founded the USA and wrote the constitution that stated that an IRS would be illegal, but the US GOV changed that. Now the constitution isnt even worth the paper it is writen on.
>>...by trying to get rid of the GUID concept all >>together. I grant you, that although I do not >>know what all the flaws are, the current setup >>is most likely not an acceptable candidate for a >>final implementation of such technology
There is no need for a GUID system. There was never one befor MS and the world still turned. The simple fact is that if you still use software THAT YOU KNOW SUCKS, don't read the bug reports or secure your own systems you WILL get screwed. Why should we take away everyones freedom for a few DUMB and LAZY users?!?
This virii wasnt the 1st...and God knows it wont be the last to hit Word/Outlook yet people still this POS software.
Has anyone even been able to get Darwin to compile AND boot? Is there any web sites up about doing this?
There's a lot of irony here.
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Im not dumping on Apple for letting out some source code. Im dumping on them because they let it out under the APSL and call it "Open Source", when it is not. They seem to be just looking for good PR and maybe some free bug fixes. Not giving anything back to the users. RMS is right
>>Apple is opening up the source code to its OS, >>and that has convinced me to...
Do some more reading befor you buy that Mac. Apple is opening the source to Darwin. MacOS X looks to be based OFF of this. They kinda had me fooled too at 1st..Apple opening the source to Darwin is about as usefull as MS opening the source to Windows 3.0. But it sure does make good PR
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"...but I used to travel alot and you can always dial in from anywhere. They even have an 800 number which you can use. Check Email, telnet..."
AOL isnt the only ISP that lets you dial in from anyware. Most big ISP's have 50 state dialups and some have 800 #'s. thelist.com has a list of alot of them. The nice thing about going with a REAL ISP is that they have real admins. Most ISP's will take care of problems. One of AOL's problems is with SpamBot's that hang out in chat rooms and pick up your Email( When i had AOL i got 80~100 SPAM's a day...no BS) address. so how does AOL fix this? They just tell people to turn off their Email or dont use chat. Keeping you happy isnt realy importent...you are only 1 user out of 11 Million
As long as the problem user keeps sending $20 a month to them they wont put a stop to it, it is very hard to get kicked off AOL.
>>Now if you people had some fu*king GUNS, you might have a chance
Good point, didnt the US help disarm all the austrailian people? Guess that was the first step.
I'll bet the US gov will start pulling this stuff here in the states soon too.
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read something like "the only way they will get my gun is by prying it from my cold dead hands". May be if the austrailian people cared about their rights as much as that guy with the sticker they wouldnt have these problems. They should have fought the govmt when they took the guns. Now they are all unarmed and the govmt can do what ever the hell they want...and the people cant do shit.
Austrailia and China 2000 = US 2010
With cheapbyte's $1.99 CD's they charge $5 for shipping, so it comes to about $7.
Since it comes with most big linux disro's (RedHat,debian, etc...) i guess that make linux evil to... better ban it too. :)
Whats to keep someone from starting their own top level domain? like .foo or something. Wouldnt we just have to set up some .foo root servers and let it go?
:)
And if i buy my domain from AOL does that mean i have to go by the AOL "TOS"?
>>...would be no MAC and no Windows :-; And this is a bad thing? :)
Why did the MacEvangelists do all this work? They payed Apple for a computer and a OS. Then apple trains them to go out a sell more mac's for APPLE and "stop all the anti-mac FUD".
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>>. The evangelist probably could have done a good job toning down some of the slashdot threads if they were told to hang out on these boards at all. . I bet if this guy said so all the Apple sheep^H^H^H^H^H^ users would do it...
Why? Is apple paying them? No. All they do is make Apple richer. Its almost as bad as us going out and selling Windows for MS....and NOT EVEN GET PAID for it.
So now that all these mac heads worked so hard they still will go out and buy the newest Mac and version of MacOS just because its newest thing with the Apple logo on it. No, no people its not a cult(1)...realy..
My computer serves me...I dont serve it.
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cult (kult) n. 1) a system of religious observances. 2) Extravagant devotion to a PERSON, CAUSE, or THING. 3) the object of such devotion. 4) A group of persons having an excessive interest in something.
Guess im not the only one who sees that most Mac users are gay or female :P
Those old games are only good in ANSI color. Sure doing it another way would look neater and be more uptodate, but then it just wouldnt be as cool :) :)
I used to play TW2002 via TELIX at 2400BPS, and there was some other game I forget the name of that was also fun. You had to set a town and and build armys so you could send them off to war with other peoples towns. Then you had to wait 24 hours to find out who won
What the hell are you talking about?
:) ) You could open up the desktop from your own box no matter who's box you are on. It is like you are sitting at your computer yet you are on someone elses. Whats this good for? Well remote admin for one. Or you could have one balls to the walls server that runs all the apps that suck up alot of ram/CPU power and have them displayed on little 386/486 clients that just need enuf power to run the X client. This also works cross platform. *BSD,Linux,etc running on x86,alpha,ppc,etc can all share desktops. Its all X, it's all good. Try that with any other GUI.
/I/ feel isnt good for Linux. I see alot of people(not so much you) bitching and crying about how linux sucks in area's that it was never ment to be good in.
I said a 5 year old COULD use the MacOS GUI. What is so bad about that? Show me a 5 year old that can edit init scripts and setup sendmail or bind.
> I simply pointed out several false claims that the article made.
What you pointed out wasnt even wrong.
He said:
"And what of command lines? Modern Unices including Linux no more rely on them than any other desktop operating system."
You said:
"I don't rely on the command line at all in MacOS."
umm...isnt that just what the guy said? The CLI is just a shell, like bash OR the MacOS GUI. Linux/UNIX and MacOS dont realy need a CLI at all. You could just use X as your shell (but Im sure you would be giving up all the good things you could do in a CLI)
He said:
"Modern X-based systems are amazingly user-friendly and often superior in design to commercial variants"
You said:
Hmmmm... I think he's still hallucinating.
What? I still think X is superior then any other GUI system. When you are on a network (where Linux/Unix realy kicks but
he said:
"The other great myth is Linux is hard to install."
you said:
"Linux *is* hard to install compared to the most popular operating systems (and even some unpopular ones, such as the BeOS, which is incredibly easy to install)."
Keyword is "MOST". Ya linux is harder to insall then MacOS or BeOS. But Redhat's install is MUCH easyer (IMHO) and faster then NT or Solaris.
"I never could get XFree86 to work. Fortunately, I don't really need that functionality."
RTFM, get the newest X, and don't buy your vga cards at K-Mart...use the HWCL.
>> I don't see why you interprete my pointing out of fallacies in the article as attacks on your way of life (whatever that may be).
Umm...what ever, I didnt see an attack. Just the start of a new trend. A trend that
"Linux's GUI has come along way but it's not quite there yet, MacOS still is far better and easyer to run"- well fine dont run Linux, run MacOS
"Linux dosnt support this and that and PnP, also can not run MS-Office or my new games"- well fine then...run Win*
Alot of people are stating weakness in area's of Linux that where never ment to be strong. It's kinda like saying "Mack Trucks are slower and handle like crap compared to my littte fast sports car."- Try towing a semi trailer with a Mustang.
>> Frankly, I think you give us linux users/advocates a bad name. I couldnt care less. I don't want to be an advocate. My OS serves me, I don't serve it.
What it comes right down to is if you try to make a OS that is good at Everything then you end up with an OS that isnt realy good at anything.
>> "As I posted (if they ever post my response) to the article, "If you build it, they will come". Why does the Linux community always make it a point to convey how "great" their OS is compared to MS" It's not the whole community...just a few with nothing better to do. To me it dosnt realy matter if 100 other people run linux or 1000000000. I would not like linux any less/more.
When you try to make a OS that is good at everything then at the end you end up with a OS that is good at NOTHING.
>> "For example: most 3D cards. Take an i740 chip, a Riva TNT, PowerVR, and lots of other cards marketed and sold as 3D PC video boards. How many drivers exist to really take advantage of the HW on them?"
/NEWEST/ X didnt support.
Well what are you wanting to do with your linux box? play games? If so I think you sould be running a diffrent OS.
You want to do some real gfx work then maybe you should be looking at a SGI system or something.
I think the reson you dont see support for all the 3D cards is that there is no real need for them in Linux.
As for the normal 2D cards i have yet to run into a PCI (or ISA) VGA card that the
>>For example: most 3D cards. Take an i740 chip, a >>Riva TNT, PowerVR, and lots of other cards >>marketed and sold as 3D PC video boards. How >>many drivers exist to really take advantage of >>the HW on them?
/NEWEST/ X didnt support.
Well what are you wanting to do with your linux box? play games? If so I think you sould be running a diffrent OS.
You want to do some real gfx work then maybe you should be looking at a SGI system or something.
I think the reson you dont see support for all the 3D cards is that there is no real need for them in Linux.
As for the 2D card i have yet to run into a PCI (or ISA) VGA card that the
'nuff said.
/Could/ just replace the GUI with a CLI.
If you don't want to know much about your computer and don't want to do diffrent things in diffrent ways then don't run Linux/Unix. If you want a Point-N-Click computer that a 5 year old can use and are willing to give up some speed and options and live with a few crashes then get MacOS.
Trying to make one OS a cure all is DUMB. It's just as dumb as thinking Windoze is for everyone and can be used to do anything. If MS was just happy with the desktop client world im sure they could make a real good OS with a real nice GUI. BUT they try to be a cure all, and you end up with 3 diffrent OS versions(9x,NT,CE) that arnt realy (i mean REALY) good at anything.
Oh and BTW:
X is just a shell same with the CLI(bash,csh,whatever). X dosnt run on top of the CLI it runs on top of the kernel. The CLI also runs on top of the kernel. It is the same way with the MacOS GUI. You
GUI's are also not a cure all.
'nuff said.
If you don't want to know much about your computer and don't want to do diffrent things in diffrent ways then don't run Linux/Unix. If you want a Point-N-Click computer that a 5 year old can use and are willing to give up some speed and options and live with a few crashes then get MacOS.
Trying to make one OS a cure all is DUMB. It's just as dumb as thinking Windoze is for everyone and can be used to do anything. If MS was just happy with the desktop client world im sure they could make a real good OS with a real nice GUI. BUT they try to be a cure all, and you end up with 3 diffrent OS versions(9x,NT,CE) that arnt realy (i mean REALY) good at anything.
More like 90%....MS has had it's little hands in MacOS a little. :)
Making fun of MS and BillyG is like beating a dead horse, Its just /TO/ easy :)
>>The GUID was invented by the Open Source >>community a while back, for use in RPC >>environments.
And? Do we still see it used much? nope. Did we all know it was there? yep. Did it go into all Documents and who knows what else that is made on that computer? NOPE
>> It's also
>>passed around in EVERY SINGLE CORBA OBJECT YOU >>CREATE.
How meny Cobra objects do people write? And when they do write them they usely take credit for it.
If you knew the place you where working for was doing something wrong and you wanted to tell the Media or the police/feds yet wanted to not be named would you want your GUID going into that Email/Document?
>>it appears everyone wants total freedom with >>zero responsibility
Responsiblilty to WHO?! MS? The US GOV?
Why the hell should they know what I do on the Internet?
I got a better idea. Lets have the US GOV stamp BARCODES on our forheads. And put little scanners all over the place so they can track where we go and what we do 24/7/365. So if a store gets held up they can know who did it. What a good idea!
>>and we need to determine how to implement and >>use it.
We would have no say in it...get your head out of the sand.
>> I implore you to consider how? We
>>have police forces, the IRS, Social Security >>Agency, Credit Agencies and many other >>institutions that have our censent and the
Maybe you did...i didnt.
And remeber when they founded the USA and wrote the constitution that stated that an IRS would be illegal, but the US GOV changed that. Now the constitution isnt even worth the paper it is writen on.
>>...by trying to get rid of the GUID concept all >>together. I grant you, that although I do not >>know what all the flaws are, the current setup >>is most likely not an acceptable candidate for a >>final implementation of such technology
There is no need for a GUID system. There was never one befor MS and the world still turned. The simple fact is that if you still use software THAT YOU KNOW SUCKS, don't read the bug reports or secure your own systems you WILL get screwed. Why should we take away everyones freedom for a few DUMB and LAZY users?!?
This virii wasnt the 1st...and God knows it wont be the last to hit Word/Outlook yet people still this POS software.
It looks like it FTP's something to 209.201.88.110(codebreakers.org).
Has anyone even been able to get Darwin to compile AND boot? Is there any web sites up about doing this?
Im not dumping on Apple for letting out some source code. Im dumping on them because they let it out under the APSL and call it "Open Source", when it is not. They seem to be just looking for good PR and maybe some free bug fixes. Not giving anything back to the users. RMS is right
hmm...Isnt that what the Windows/MSDOS people called the Macheads?
There are like 400 moderators, Im one of them and i only ever use it to kill "First Posts!". :)
>>Apple is opening up the source code to its OS, >>and that has convinced me to...
Do some more reading befor you buy that Mac. Apple is opening the source to Darwin. MacOS X looks to be based OFF of this. They kinda had me fooled too at 1st..Apple opening the source to Darwin is about as usefull as MS opening the source to Windows 3.0. But it sure does make good PR