Life would be skittles and beer if T-Mobile offered prepaid with data in the United States. They do in the UK - 10 pounds there will get you a prepaid sim. One text to customer service later, and you have 1 GB of data or 1 month of service (whichever comes first) for 5 pounds. Supposedly TMO has an unofficial 5 GB/mo cap, and at $1.50 to a 1 British Pound, that's $45/mo versus $24.95-$34.95 for "unlimited" data plans. However considering the US plans and their forced purchase of many, many unused minutes which can't be rolled over, prepaid with data is still a better deal, particularly if you don't cross the break-even point on UK versus US data plans.
I beg to differ. I own a nexus one which replaced my G1. If I let T-Mobile subsidize my Nexus One purchase they forced me onto a much more expensive non-family plan. My bill would have shot up for essentially the same service. Instead I chose to buy the phone out of pocket and keep my old cheaper plan.
Played Ultima Online, Everquest, Anarchy Online, Dark Ages of Camelot, World of Warcraft and Eve Online. EQ & WoW definitely return what you put into them - if you want to treat it as a second job you'll be rewarded. That means show up prepared for rigidly scheduled raids; have all your materials, know all the fights, be at the staging point on time, etc, etc then there's a good chance if you or your guild has some strong leaders and perfectly co-ordinated guildies you'll have the phattest lewt in the game. This is also assuming you're willing to put up with weeks or months of grinding through those raids and not getting anything yourself and watching the good stuff go to players perceived to have more value. So yeah, there's a reason these games prepare you for work: they're exactly like IRL jobs.
In my personal opinion, people start playing these games because of their Skinner-box nature and the immediacy of the low-level rewards; it doesn't take long to get level's 1-10 in any of the games with levels and suddenly the player is hooked on chasing the next "Bing!". They find an online replacement that rewards them in a way real life does not. The irony is that their online success partially equips them with the skills to achieve in real life.
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The End of Free
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Wireless internet access rates are slowly creeping upward. I can only speak to T-mobile as an example, but my blackberry plan was $20/mo. The switch to G1 added $5/mo as my choices were $25/mo without texting or $35/mo with, but that plan is shared with a family plan for voice minutes. Fast forward one year and the carrier discounted Nexus requires an individual plan that totals $70/mo. I paid full price on my Nexus One just to keep my old, cheaper plan. My friend who just bought a Sprint EVO found Sprint charges $29.99/mo for data, but require a separate tethering up-charge to boot, so Sprint is even more expensive than T-Mobile.
Don't get me wrong - the utility of these phone is such that you are practically carrying a laptop around, but the American data plans are so expensive I'm seriously considering the move from early adopter (owner of a development G1) back to prepaid dumb phone after years of carrying smart phones. A $20 phone with a $100/1000 minute prepaid sim is starting to look pretty good next to a $120/mo cell phone bill.
I appreciate they probably had some QA to do in order to release this puppy and it took a while, but I loaded Evince, un-installed flash and called it a day. If you can't see it on youtube using their HTML 5 beta then that's a real good time to boot up Linux even if it's just in Xen or Oracle/Sun Virtualbox running on Windows. It works just fine for web browsing and less zero day exploits.
Grandcentral had consensus-based call filtering; numbers flagged by enough people as undesirable got added to a blacklist anyone could subscribe to and Google took it out, which is a shame. Google voice still has trouble turning off some call presentation features - for instance pressing "4" to toggle call recording. Every time you receive a call from an automated system that requires a 4 as input GV just eats the digit. They also removed SIP call handling for anyone but Gizmo 5, another damn shame. Having said that, it is free except for international calls and those are pretty cheap.
On the upside they already handle texting, making those $20/mo unlimited texting plans redundant. Now we just need EU-like cell plans where "caller pays" and we'd be all set - you can complete google voice calls as inbound to yourself via the mobile and full web pages. Oddly the Android client doesn't offer this feature.
Over the last few years cable companies have started pushing clear-QAM content to encrypted channels. This means the consumer must use a cablecard tuner equipped DVR, the good news is Tivo and Windows both offer such devices, the bad news is at least in Windows-land you can no longer purchase the tuner separate from the PC. In my area, Houston, Comcast claims these channels are now premium to justify the switch to cablebox required. Regardless of the argument the net effect is the same - analog and digital QAM channels are dwindling as cable companies push consumers into higher revenue devices and plans.
So although I applaud Apple for build a sexy, slim little device there is already a LOT of competition in the "reads a samba/cifs share and outputs HDMI" space, some of it Shanzhai knock offs I've seen advertised on Amazon!
HTC devices are notorious battery hogs, unfortunately. I speak from experience - HTC Developer's G1 and Nexus One: in each case I had to buy extended batteries, desk and car chargers to retain full use of my devices. Jumping up the processor speed will just make thing worse. Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge Android fan, but dual 1.5 GHz feels more like an ipad clone CPU than one meant for an HTC mobile phone, at least one that'll last for more than a few hours of use. I really hope HTC get their act together because they really do build nice phones.
As others have noted, this was a double entendre if not downright pun. OpenBSD users are not by and large welcoming if someone trips across the wrong e-mail list. As I stated - it's the PVP OS: come prepared to defend yourself. In the case of OpenBSD that means reading the FAQs, trolling the list history and submitting a dmesg when you do ask a question. Failing to do that is the EVE Online equivalent of flying your pod through 0.0 space.
Got my CD in the mail a few days ago
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OpenBSD 4.7 Released
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Yeah, I use OpenBSD. My firewall's named linksys and the SSID is default, both for sheer entertainment value. OpenBSD like anything else has its flaws: namely a insular and hostile user community and theocratic leader with a vision. On the other hand it's people like that who get things done.
It would be nice to do more with OpenBSD than I can now, but last I checked ports didn't have the latest asterisk, getting the latest Java running is a pita, the latest Apache has an incompatible license or something, ZFS will never be supported, etc, etc, etc. But staying up with the latest software isn't really a design goal for Theo & crew. It's sort of the PVP UNIX - no care bears welcome. Their targeted approach to security over features makes it the best OS out there for targeted uses, but who knows if they'll make it to 5.7 - decreasing relevance and due to narrowing mainstream software support definitely also narrows interest.
This is slashdot so I assume you're going for a little hyperbole, but just in case you aren't it's quite possible to land a plane without engines - see everything from the Gimli Glider, sailplanes of every nature, the space shuttle, etc. I've done deadstick landings as part of pilot training many times and that's for the lowest of the low Airplane, Single Engine Land. So can we please cut the "you have no engines, you are going to die" meme that has infected the public? Slashdot's better informed than that.
There's actually a corporate policy that prevents me from naming my employer publicly (LOL) but they shamelessly and regularly plug their PAC via company e-mail trying to raise donations. But frankly what's in the best interest of any large corporate is rarely in the best interest of the consumer; most corporations simply want to suppress the competition and dominate their respective markets to maximize profitability... economics 101 but the consumer pays when these corporations "win" and dominate their markets. We live in interesting times when an entity is required by the document that creates it to conduct itself amorally, and by that I mean that ponderous bromide "maximize shareholder profits" which is used to justify all kinds of corporate misbehavior that would never be tolerated in individuals.
This is one of those situations where people will vote with their wallet, if allowed. But even when municipalities try to set up their own broadband, they get sued by the incumbents or would-be incumbents for their trouble. Google is mooting the roll-out of very high speed connectivity in limited cities, and recently asked for volunteers via an essay contest. Their bandwidth could be the perfect vehicle to return to the older broadcast satellite model of multiple broadcasters bundling and selling channels ala carte. I don't think Comcast is as likely to sue Google as Monticello, Minnesota.
Yes but "everybody knows" that it's perfectly fine to eat and drive cause "everyone" does it all the time, it's just these new fangled cellio phones and wireless teletypes that these kids use that are the problems. Adjusts onion on belt, spits into a spitoon
But seriously I still get old timers who think it's *crazy* that everyone has to wear a seat belt and will argue it is safer to drive without one due to some outrageous edge case where you're trapped in the car and can't release the belt. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground in law any more. Cell phones are incredibly useful but if the distraction they cause is the same as otherwise being impaired should it still be allowed?
The BYO guide is a bit out of date now, but it'll help you get up to speed on processor architecture, motherboard chipsets, etc. From there of course ars technica, tom's hell even just browsing newegg's offerings will get you the rest of the way there.
Please refer to this link http://paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/ if you want to see absolute CPU performance ranked by CPU and a ratio between cost and performance. Yes you do need to educate yourself some, but let's be honest - any modern CPU works great unless you want to do dual head 24" monitors running crysis. I would recommend you check out Tom's Hardware's guides to building balanced machines, and their guides to building $600/$1200/$1800 gaming machines. They explain their rationale for picking every component and it's quite an education.
Personally I'd probably build an i7-860 box if I didn't plan to do crossfire, or an i7-920 box if I did. That's the fastest intel chip you can buy without getting soaked. If you prefer AMD then the AMD Phenom II X4 965 is the fastest CPU they offer currently (according the list I posted above) and the price is about $60 less than the Intel CPUs I recommended.
Yeah, I don't trust Apple to get this right unless they sick Ed Felton, The Cypherpunks as a whole and Bruce Schnier to boot. Can I bet the first to say iStoleIt with an iKey?
It has been tried and failed many times, yet it feels like yet another place where microeconomics should be used. "The Gray Lady" either has items that are taken from elsewhere (AP, IAP, UP, etc) or bespoke articles written by contact and permanent staff. What would I pay for? Either their value added take on the newswire articles, or wholly new content they've created. Charge me 10 cents per article I read and let me pick and choose based on index of precis. Ask me at the end of the article if I thought it was worth it. I guarantee that sort of ala carte system will tell the paper exactly what is interesting and how much people (in aggregate) are willing to pay for it. They can shift around pricing slightly (8 cents per article, 12, 15) to see where pricing equilibrium is reached.
Yes, agreed. 512MB is hardly anything. Which is why most phone hacks store apps on the microsd card instead. Google didn't offer that functionality in their baseline kernel because (supposedly) there were concerns about sd speed (you need to buy class 6 to match onboard memory speeds) and of course removing or losing the card to failure means loss of your apps and functionality. I expect eventually apps to sd will be stock on the android distro. 512 MB is too little, but with an 8gb micro sd card and apps2sd there was enough room to spin around like julie andrews while singing the hills are alive with the sound of music.
Agreed about decent production values on an album and the need for a studio. *BUT* let's face it the compression that happens in post-production these days makes modern music just as unlistenable as if it were recorded in a truck stop bathroom. As a volunteer front of the house (read: live music) and studio (broadcast) board monkey, I can't claim to have experience cranking out studio albums. But the theory's widely known, and despite the black art elements of getting all the performers and instruments properly mic'd and isolated in a studio setting, maybe it's time for StudioWiki? Great things have come out of the collective wisdom and efforts of those passionate enough to contribute their time and knowledge.
You won't see a major label backing things cranked out in someone's garage studio, but it's about the music and not about the money, I think your average band is just fine with Myspace, iTunes and the other internet-based distribution channels. And frankly I'd rather listen a McGyvered album with no COMPRESSION FUCKING UP ALL THE MUSIC taped in a stupid garage than a perfectly recorded / mastered / mixed AND THEN COMPRESSED TO FUCKING SHIT ANYWAY taped at Abbey Road. Wouldn't you?
You are correct sir or madam in principal IPV6 does *not* need NAT. But it does need a firewall; last time I checked there were plenty of exploits that need only touch your Windows box to own it. Isn't the time between an unpatched machine touching the net and it getting owned down to less than 20 minutes?
Unfortunately for the average non-firewall savvy user NAT = firewall. So although I agree with you it means we'll need good out of the box IPV6 firewalls to prevent creating a meta-network that is just an express lane for the bot writers. Comcast mooted in a powerpoint deck years ago that IPv6 created better infrastructure management opportunities for them, and would allow them to roll out new technologies such as customer owned network-enabled streaming devices (i.e. IPTV client on the XBOX 360.) If I could use MythTV or some netbook IPTV client that would rock my world. I'm a comcast customer, but I buy my internet from Earthlink over Comcast's network since it's cheaper. Which is a bummer because I doubt they'll let me participate in the trial as I get a different address space when they hand me an IP.
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So you don't mind if we restore copyright to something 10-15 years, then, since the likelyhood your getting paid is almost nil in any case?
Life would be skittles and beer if T-Mobile offered prepaid with data in the United States. They do in the UK - 10 pounds there will get you a prepaid sim. One text to customer service later, and you have 1 GB of data or 1 month of service (whichever comes first) for 5 pounds. Supposedly TMO has an unofficial 5 GB/mo cap, and at $1.50 to a 1 British Pound, that's $45/mo versus $24.95-$34.95 for "unlimited" data plans. However considering the US plans and their forced purchase of many, many unused minutes which can't be rolled over, prepaid with data is still a better deal, particularly if you don't cross the break-even point on UK versus US data plans.
I beg to differ. I own a nexus one which replaced my G1. If I let T-Mobile subsidize my Nexus One purchase they forced me onto a much more expensive non-family plan. My bill would have shot up for essentially the same service. Instead I chose to buy the phone out of pocket and keep my old cheaper plan.
Played Ultima Online, Everquest, Anarchy Online, Dark Ages of Camelot, World of Warcraft and Eve Online. EQ & WoW definitely return what you put into them - if you want to treat it as a second job you'll be rewarded. That means show up prepared for rigidly scheduled raids; have all your materials, know all the fights, be at the staging point on time, etc, etc then there's a good chance if you or your guild has some strong leaders and perfectly co-ordinated guildies you'll have the phattest lewt in the game. This is also assuming you're willing to put up with weeks or months of grinding through those raids and not getting anything yourself and watching the good stuff go to players perceived to have more value. So yeah, there's a reason these games prepare you for work: they're exactly like IRL jobs.
In my personal opinion, people start playing these games because of their Skinner-box nature and the immediacy of the low-level rewards; it doesn't take long to get level's 1-10 in any of the games with levels and suddenly the player is hooked on chasing the next "Bing!". They find an online replacement that rewards them in a way real life does not. The irony is that their online success partially equips them with the skills to achieve in real life.
Wireless internet access rates are slowly creeping upward. I can only speak to T-mobile as an example, but my blackberry plan was $20/mo. The switch to G1 added $5/mo as my choices were $25/mo without texting or $35/mo with, but that plan is shared with a family plan for voice minutes. Fast forward one year and the carrier discounted Nexus requires an individual plan that totals $70/mo. I paid full price on my Nexus One just to keep my old, cheaper plan. My friend who just bought a Sprint EVO found Sprint charges $29.99/mo for data, but require a separate tethering up-charge to boot, so Sprint is even more expensive than T-Mobile.
Don't get me wrong - the utility of these phone is such that you are practically carrying a laptop around, but the American data plans are so expensive I'm seriously considering the move from early adopter (owner of a development G1) back to prepaid dumb phone after years of carrying smart phones. A $20 phone with a $100/1000 minute prepaid sim is starting to look pretty good next to a $120/mo cell phone bill.
I appreciate they probably had some QA to do in order to release this puppy and it took a while, but I loaded Evince, un-installed flash and called it a day. If you can't see it on youtube using their HTML 5 beta then that's a real good time to boot up Linux even if it's just in Xen or Oracle/Sun Virtualbox running on Windows. It works just fine for web browsing and less zero day exploits.
Grandcentral had consensus-based call filtering; numbers flagged by enough people as undesirable got added to a blacklist anyone could subscribe to and Google took it out, which is a shame. Google voice still has trouble turning off some call presentation features - for instance pressing "4" to toggle call recording. Every time you receive a call from an automated system that requires a 4 as input GV just eats the digit. They also removed SIP call handling for anyone but Gizmo 5, another damn shame. Having said that, it is free except for international calls and those are pretty cheap.
On the upside they already handle texting, making those $20/mo unlimited texting plans redundant. Now we just need EU-like cell plans where "caller pays" and we'd be all set - you can complete google voice calls as inbound to yourself via the mobile and full web pages. Oddly the Android client doesn't offer this feature.
Over the last few years cable companies have started pushing clear-QAM content to encrypted channels. This means the consumer must use a cablecard tuner equipped DVR, the good news is Tivo and Windows both offer such devices, the bad news is at least in Windows-land you can no longer purchase the tuner separate from the PC. In my area, Houston, Comcast claims these channels are now premium to justify the switch to cablebox required. Regardless of the argument the net effect is the same - analog and digital QAM channels are dwindling as cable companies push consumers into higher revenue devices and plans.
So although I applaud Apple for build a sexy, slim little device there is already a LOT of competition in the "reads a samba/cifs share and outputs HDMI" space, some of it Shanzhai knock offs I've seen advertised on Amazon!
HTC devices are notorious battery hogs, unfortunately. I speak from experience - HTC Developer's G1 and Nexus One: in each case I had to buy extended batteries, desk and car chargers to retain full use of my devices. Jumping up the processor speed will just make thing worse. Don't get me wrong - I'm a huge Android fan, but dual 1.5 GHz feels more like an ipad clone CPU than one meant for an HTC mobile phone, at least one that'll last for more than a few hours of use. I really hope HTC get their act together because they really do build nice phones.
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Heh, glad I made you laugh. Why are there no slashdot meetups? Oh yeah, because that would require getting dressed and leaving the house.
Rule #0x0a: Nothing on Slashdot is obscure.
As others have noted, this was a double entendre if not downright pun. OpenBSD users are not by and large welcoming if someone trips across the wrong e-mail list. As I stated - it's the PVP OS: come prepared to defend yourself. In the case of OpenBSD that means reading the FAQs, trolling the list history and submitting a dmesg when you do ask a question. Failing to do that is the EVE Online equivalent of flying your pod through 0.0 space.
Yeah, I use OpenBSD. My firewall's named linksys and the SSID is default, both for sheer entertainment value. OpenBSD like anything else has its flaws: namely a insular and hostile user community and theocratic leader with a vision. On the other hand it's people like that who get things done.
It would be nice to do more with OpenBSD than I can now, but last I checked ports didn't have the latest asterisk, getting the latest Java running is a pita, the latest Apache has an incompatible license or something, ZFS will never be supported, etc, etc, etc. But staying up with the latest software isn't really a design goal for Theo & crew. It's sort of the PVP UNIX - no care bears welcome. Their targeted approach to security over features makes it the best OS out there for targeted uses, but who knows if they'll make it to 5.7 - decreasing relevance and due to narrowing mainstream software support definitely also narrows interest.
Regardless, congrats on another great release.
Er,
This is slashdot so I assume you're going for a little hyperbole, but just in case you aren't it's quite possible to land a plane without engines - see everything from the Gimli Glider, sailplanes of every nature, the space shuttle, etc. I've done deadstick landings as part of pilot training many times and that's for the lowest of the low Airplane, Single Engine Land. So can we please cut the "you have no engines, you are going to die" meme that has infected the public? Slashdot's better informed than that.
I'm afraid that argument was lost when "they" decided corporations are people, and more recently created a ruling that allows corporations to run for office. I happen to agree with you, but there it is.
There's actually a corporate policy that prevents me from naming my employer publicly (LOL) but they shamelessly and regularly plug their PAC via company e-mail trying to raise donations. But frankly what's in the best interest of any large corporate is rarely in the best interest of the consumer; most corporations simply want to suppress the competition and dominate their respective markets to maximize profitability... economics 101 but the consumer pays when these corporations "win" and dominate their markets.
We live in interesting times when an entity is required by the document that creates it to conduct itself amorally, and by that I mean that ponderous bromide "maximize shareholder profits" which is used to justify all kinds of corporate misbehavior that would never be tolerated in individuals.
This is one of those situations where people will vote with their wallet, if allowed. But even when municipalities try to set up their own broadband, they get sued by the incumbents or would-be incumbents for their trouble. Google is mooting the roll-out of very high speed connectivity in limited cities, and recently asked for volunteers via an essay contest. Their bandwidth could be the perfect vehicle to return to the older broadcast satellite model of multiple broadcasters bundling and selling channels ala carte. I don't think Comcast is as likely to sue Google as Monticello, Minnesota.
Yes but "everybody knows" that it's perfectly fine to eat and drive cause "everyone" does it all the time, it's just these new fangled cellio phones and wireless teletypes that these kids use that are the problems. Adjusts onion on belt, spits into a spitoon
But seriously I still get old timers who think it's *crazy* that everyone has to wear a seat belt and will argue it is safer to drive without one due to some outrageous edge case where you're trapped in the car and can't release the belt. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground in law any more. Cell phones are incredibly useful but if the distraction they cause is the same as otherwise being impaired should it still be allowed?
The BYO guide is a bit out of date now, but it'll help you get up to speed on processor architecture, motherboard chipsets, etc. From there of course ars technica, tom's hell even just browsing newegg's offerings will get you the rest of the way there.
Good luck.
Please refer to this link http://paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/ if you want to see absolute CPU performance ranked by CPU and a ratio between cost and performance. Yes you do need to educate yourself some, but let's be honest - any modern CPU works great unless you want to do dual head 24" monitors running crysis. I would recommend you check out Tom's Hardware's guides to building balanced machines, and their guides to building $600/$1200/$1800 gaming machines. They explain their rationale for picking every component and it's quite an education.
Personally I'd probably build an i7-860 box if I didn't plan to do crossfire, or an i7-920 box if I did. That's the fastest intel chip you can buy without getting soaked. If you prefer AMD then the AMD Phenom II X4 965 is the fastest CPU they offer currently (according the list I posted above) and the price is about $60 less than the Intel CPUs I recommended.
Yeah, I don't trust Apple to get this right unless they sick Ed Felton, The Cypherpunks as a whole and Bruce Schnier to boot.
Can I bet the first to say iStoleIt with an iKey?
It has been tried and failed many times, yet it feels like yet another place where microeconomics should be used. "The Gray Lady" either has items that are taken from elsewhere (AP, IAP, UP, etc) or bespoke articles written by contact and permanent staff. What would I pay for? Either their value added take on the newswire articles, or wholly new content they've created. Charge me 10 cents per article I read and let me pick and choose based on index of precis. Ask me at the end of the article if I thought it was worth it. I guarantee that sort of ala carte system will tell the paper exactly what is interesting and how much people (in aggregate) are willing to pay for it. They can shift around pricing slightly (8 cents per article, 12, 15) to see where pricing equilibrium is reached.
Yes, agreed. 512MB is hardly anything. Which is why most phone hacks store apps on the microsd card instead.
Google didn't offer that functionality in their baseline kernel because (supposedly) there were concerns
about sd speed (you need to buy class 6 to match onboard memory speeds) and of course removing or losing
the card to failure means loss of your apps and functionality. I expect eventually apps to sd will be
stock on the android distro. 512 MB is too little, but with an 8gb micro sd card and apps2sd there was
enough room to spin around like julie andrews while singing the hills are alive with the sound of music.
Agreed about decent production values on an album and the need for a studio. *BUT* let's face it
the compression that happens in post-production these days makes modern music just as unlistenable
as if it were recorded in a truck stop bathroom. As a volunteer front of the house (read: live music)
and studio (broadcast) board monkey, I can't claim to have experience cranking out studio albums.
But the theory's widely known, and despite the black art elements of getting all the performers and instruments
properly mic'd and isolated in a studio setting, maybe it's time for StudioWiki? Great things have come out
of the collective wisdom and efforts of those passionate enough to contribute their time and knowledge.
You won't see a major label backing things cranked out in someone's garage studio, but it's about the music
and not about the money, I think your average band is just fine with Myspace, iTunes and the other internet-based
distribution channels. And frankly I'd rather listen a McGyvered album with no COMPRESSION FUCKING UP ALL THE MUSIC
taped in a stupid garage than a perfectly recorded / mastered / mixed AND THEN COMPRESSED TO FUCKING SHIT ANYWAY
taped at Abbey Road. Wouldn't you?
You are correct sir or madam in principal IPV6 does *not* need NAT. But it does need a firewall;
last time I checked there were plenty of exploits that need only touch your Windows box to own it.
Isn't the time between an unpatched machine touching the net and it getting owned down to less than 20 minutes?
Unfortunately for the average non-firewall savvy user NAT = firewall. So although I agree with you
it means we'll need good out of the box IPV6 firewalls to prevent creating a meta-network that
is just an express lane for the bot writers. Comcast mooted in a powerpoint deck years ago
that IPv6 created better infrastructure management opportunities for them, and would allow them
to roll out new technologies such as customer owned network-enabled streaming devices (i.e. IPTV client
on the XBOX 360.) If I could use MythTV or some netbook IPTV client that would rock my world.
I'm a comcast customer, but I buy my internet from Earthlink over Comcast's network since it's cheaper.
Which is a bummer because I doubt they'll let me participate in the trial as I get a different address
space when they hand me an IP.