Emenent domain is a basic concept of gov't. For the case of public good the gov't can force you to sell your land. IE for a road, a water main, a military base. Happens all the time, and in every country in the world.
Well duh! If their home lands were all fun and games, they wouldn't have moved to Israel.
Thankyou for conceding to the point of Israel's existance. To provide an safe haven not just for WW2 jewish refugees(6million out of 40million were jews, most war refugees were actually ethnic Germans), but also for the jewish refugees of arab lands.
So basically people should only make favorable or indifferent comments concerning Israel?
Well let's start with something simple, like consistancy. For instance if you were against the latest invasion of Iraq, favoring the world not be involved in another countries politics. I would imagine you should say nothing about Israel at all.
I dont' advocate that. People need to become aware of the situation here, and of the middle east in general, and prepared fully to understand that there is nothing WESTERN or CIVILIZED about this situation. Most people have no idea what goes on here, besides what they see on CNN or what they here from the choir at "peace" rallies.
If what your really asking is "How can anyone critisize Israel without being labled and anti-semite?" it's easy. If your American just replace "Jews" with "Blacks".
Example:
"I have lots of Jewish and Arab, I'm not biased"
"I have lot's of black and spanish friends, I'm not a bigot"
See how bad that sounds?
Example2:
"Jews should leave israel to the arabs and go back to where they came from" ... nah not even worth it.
Example3:
"Israelies should not assume all Palastinians are bombers"
"Blacks should not assume all white people are in the KKK"
Wow it's not racist!!
I'll leave the South Africa response to ajakk, who I think hit the nail on the head.
But while your right, that it's no great compliment to say their indifferent... It is when you consider the context of the last 4 years. And the Israeli indifference is stark when you compare it agains the other side of the negotiating table.
I was going to actually argue back. But then you ran up the colors.
Your comment about the gravy train since the Holocaust is, however, fairly close to the truth. Everytime someone brings up something about how Israel is violating international law by confiscating more land for its settlements (which no one, including the United States recognizes as legitimate) the old song about how the jews suffered under Nazi rule is brought out to justify the actions.
Yet another conspiracy freak, lunatic. It's people like you who make me want to gauge out my frontal lobe with a spoon so it can all just start making sense some how...
Sorry for the off topic, but I'm sick of this nonsense. If I can put some sense into one pea brain then I hve to . Mod me as you will.
As we know all Israeli's are evil. After living here for a year, I thought I'd translate a days activities to you:
Avi a dark skined man walks out of his mansion, onto a street filled with mansions, and climbs into his car. A 50 ton armourd bulldozer. Suddenly his cell phone rings.
Avi: Shalom! (hi/peace/goodbye)
Yitzak: Hey Avi, how's it going?
Avi: Well it was a rough day yesterday. I was too busy studying the King James Bible in english to get any real work done.
Yitzak: You know Sharons going to get really upset with you if you don't get your quota in.
Avi: How am I supposed to kill 10,000 arab children a day and still have time to spend with my wife and kids?
Yitzak: Well I was just calling you to let you know I'm building a new settlement.
Avi: Don't you already have 5 already?
Yitzak: Yeah, but I already drove the arabs out of those areas, so I thought I'd build another one. I could have chosen any of the thousands of hecktars of land that are empty, but it's just no fun without destroying a fellow human beings life.
Avi: Oh that reminds me, did you get the buliten in the mail about the last Elders Meeting?
Yitzak: Yeah, wow, were doing great! Bush even came this time! Even bowed down for Sharon. It was a real crowd pleaser. I'm telling you it's been gravey train ever since the Holocost. Best thing that ever happend to us.
Avi: Ok I gotta go, and meet quota. Catch up latter at the cafe?
Yitzak: Sure thing budy! The "Childrens Blood" is on me!
Avi: Shalom!
Yitzak: Shalom!
Wake up call.
Fact:
* Israeli's don't drive bulldozers to work.
* Israeli's are no fonder of seeing children die needlessly than anyone else.
* Jews don't drink human blood, and if you believe this it's also a fact your a moron.
* 50% of Israelis are from Iraqi, Syrian, Moraccan, Yeminite, Egyptian, Iranian, Jordainian, Afgani, Saudi, Lebanesse, and/or local descent. They tell no plesent stories from their home lands.
* No arab village has ever been raized to make way for a jewish one, except in cases where the land was owned by "Israelies" pre-48, or in cases of tacticle need. In which case it's eminant domain, and the arab land owners are compensated.
* 25% of Israelies are not jewish
* 80% of Jewish Israelies, don't practice any religion. And half of those profess radical secularism. Despite the fact that they actualy speak hebrew, most have never read any section of the Torah (old testament), and have at best a vauge idea of what it is.
* Most Israelies would rather just get on with thier lives. They neither hate nore care what happens to the "Palistinians" any more.
* Arabs can and do, walk in Zionist shopping malls, grocerie stores, parks, and public schools. Jews who walkin Arab neiboorhoods are likley to be shot/stabed/beaten etc...
If you've never been here, you have no right to comment and certainly no right to condemn. If you do live here, you still have no right to condemn, and certainly no right to spread lies and half truths.
I can't believe some idiot moded you insightfull. This is a fake quote. And you took the bait. Who's the bigger fool? The fool with the idea, or the fool who follows him (Obi Wan Kanobie Z"Tzl)
Why is it that every time someone mentions Israel, doing some technological feet, be it adopting Linux (about bloody time) or curring cancers (yeah they have), some flaim bate comes on and thinks it's funny to start spewing filth.
Not everything you hear on the news is true. And certainly not everything you think about another is relevant for posting here!
I'd debate your "facts" but I'd run the risk of giving you some kind of bizare validation.
"It will simply prevent consumers from illegal piracy, from mass distribution over the Internet, which is the problem with the music file sharing," Kenneth Ferree, head of the FCC's media bureau, said in a telephone interview.
Last I checked, any radio or tv broadcast was public domain for non-comercial use. Oh! I get it, they want to make their own laws by controling the currency... how cute.
First: Isn't it amazing how the feaky freakies come out of the wood work every time someone mentions Israel? "Israel cures cancer with Linux", first post is "Israel Opressors of the world". Israelies a people dealing with a BAD situation that's only getting worse. In the mean time their contributions to the world are exceeded by few other nations, much their seinior and often their criticts.
Do not go launching into a diatribe about the evils of Israel and the "Ocupation" nor the nature of Kach without understanding the history and politics of the region.
Kach is not a violent movement. Not by Middle eastern standerds. If you were to compare them to say the GOP, yeah Kach is a violent organizaiton but the GOP is not dealing with daily suicide bombings, stonings, lynchings, shootings, and nuclear threats (anymore).
The closest American counterpart would be the Black Panthers. (similar logos in fact) Kach felt, as did the BP, that relations between the two groups had reached a point of no return, and that the most humane thing for both sides was seperation.
When the groups leader, Rabbi Meir Kahane ran for office in Israel, he recieved more votes than any previous first run, first party, canidate ever. And polls indicated that most Israelies didn't vote for him because they thought it may waste their vote (Israelies VOTE!), and that the next election would see Kach as the 3rd or 4rth largest party in Israel, virtualy over night. Funniest factoid of all, is that Kach was the most popular party amongst Arab Israeli voters, who explained that Rabbi Kahane treated them with respect; even though Arab Israelies already had thier own Arab political parties.
Kach's political platform was not single issue. They endorsed above all religion as a vital part of the state, development of a capitalistic economy (rather than socialism), the keeping of all teritories, and the transfer of Non-Israeli populations (read "Palistinians") out of Israel WITH MONETARY COMPENSATION!
The dominant party at the time was Avoda (Labor), and the only thing that frightened them more than the plat form of Kach (which was oppisite theirs completly), was that Israelis were so widley supportive of it. (the reasons for this are very complex and beyond the scope of this writing, but you should be aware that this is not an issue to take lighly and make assumptions about)
With the assisination of Rabbi Kahane, Labor had Kache outlawd for it's political platform (NOT VIOLENCE) of population transfer; by passing a remarkably unpopular law banning the suggestion of it in public forum.
Because of Kach's ultra-rightwing platform some of the most unsavories were drawn to it. And whithout the strong leadership of R. Kahane the group lost it's center and became MORE violent. However the actions of Kache have never amounted to more than crude thugery. In the entire history of the organization (aprox 30 years) only two violent acts of any signifigance have taken place. Neither was perpatrated by rank and file members of the organizaion, and both acted entirely alone.
Your missing the point. Indian and other 3rd world programers come to/. and post about how they are able to do what they do for cheap because they live in the 3rd world. Wonderfull!
The people who aren't jumping ship on IT in the states aren't the jerkoffs who got a ComSci degree because there was money in it. They've been doing it since they were kids, it's what they love. And they would gladly live anyplace if it let them keep doing what they love.
Well guess what, they can't do it! They can't program again even if they were to move across the globe to do it!
This is bad enough, but one would expect the market to eventualy re-equalize, as more tech service or other IT jobs requireing local workers opened up from the "growth" in the economy. But this won't happen, because H1-B's are being given out like candy to anyone who's willing to be treated like a slave by an American company, gutting what's left of the domestic market.
This isn't about American's not being payed "enough" it's about people who are good at what they do, and passionate about it, being put out to pasture for no GOOD reason.
By GOOD reason I mean from a national perspective. Outsourcing is bad enough, but the market will eventually change and adapt, and people will find jobs in kinda-related fields again. But flooding with H1Bs extends the problem hugely! A company can abuse the hell out of an H1-B, by threatening him to go home to mother russia (or what ever). These people are basicaly slaves, and in addition to their poor treatment, they are taking the jobs that would normally be comming available in a normal economy.
So since the only way for an American programmer to keep doing what he was BORN to do is to move to a country where there is a lower cost of living, and therefor jobs. And that option is taken away from him, by un-equal labor laws in these countries.
My cell phone is 1"x3"x.5" and It's already tough enough to dial without a tooth pick. Soon/. articles will read "Sony debuts new HANDS, for smaller portable Devieces" Ahhh... the price we'll pay for convience. I long for the days when a cell phone was so big it could be used for self defense (swing that battery and become: Connan the Early Adopter!)
A) I relish every moment I am away from my terminals. Graphics in the real world are SOOO much better. And heading down to the record store with a friend is hardly a pain in my arse.
B) When you download those mp3's on your own time, you are getting them for free, so some degree of inconvienience can be expected. (psheeta)
C) I don't really have a C, but ther's that whole rule of 3 thing...
To make this clear, first you PAY to download the music, then you PAY for the super fast net connection so you can get it this week, then you PAY to burn your own CD on your OWN time.
Yeah, I can see why consumers are going to love this idea.
I was a sub-sub contractor for a project like this that Sony wanted to do.
I spent days TRYING to talk them out of it. They were convinced that the whole napster phenonminon proved that users wanted to burn their own CDs... not that it had ANYTHING to do with getting something for free.
CD's bought in a store are a convienence! The only convienience this gives me is that I don't have to buy a crappy song to get a good one. Yippie!
Because finally it's a low cost Linux Laptop (as opposed to the behemoths that have previously passed for Linux Laptops).
If this is successful don't think DELL and HP won't notice.
The key here is that when people go to buy this and they ask "What kind of computer is it?" You just say "It's a laptop". No Mac/PC nonsense.
I've been in a situation to "educate" (ie brainwash) several newbies who are only now deciding to buy computers. And that is the FIRST question they ask. Now I can say "It's a laptop"
I've witnessed the damage done. I know a kid, fresh out of PSU with a BA CS.
A) he never touched a lick of code before college 3rd year
B) He still can't program his digital watch
C) He got into it because he thought being a programer was a good way for an antisocial kid with an above average IQ to support himself.
You should have seen the look in his eyes when I told him 90% of haveing and keeping any computer job is dealing with co-workers, bosses, sales people etc... He was crushed.
Last I saw him, he ws looking at going back to college or becoming a politician, at least then he wouldn't have to deal with humans.
It is thought to have originated in humans over 25 years ago, and can be plainly seen in the explosion of Troll posts, on primitive BBS's across North America.
The gene, FW324D342, is not found in other primates, but is often found in worms, ferrets, and aboriginal tree slugs.
Scientists are hoping to develop a test to isolate individuals suffering with this gene and beat the ever living fsck out of them.
Symptoms include:
Routinely spouting on world politics when it realy has nothing to do with the thread.
Saying things like "First Post"
Writing assinine playoffs of the parrent topic.
Saying things like "Linux/Windows Sucks!"
Or "Poor me, I'm a descriminated Windows user who just blew 10 grand on an MCSE cert"
Have patience and faith, scientists are working hard to wipe out this world wide web plauge
Out of your last 24 posts 6 were revied, and half of them are labled as flaim bait or trolls. The only time any ever responds to your posts is when your bashing Jews.
Over 3,000 Jews died in 9/11. Muslims, Christians, Jews and more died together. If we can never seem to get anything else done to gether let's all, at least, agree that we did that.
Grow up, or stop wasteing our air. (by "our", I am refering to humans in general, not arabs or jews)
True, criticizing Israel does not make you an anti-semite... however stringing together half a dozen of some of the most ridiculous pieces of myth, propaganda and half truths does.
Notice what Berman talks about more than anything else: The Marketing
The movie and music industries are of a universal mindset (I've been dealing with them for the last 3 years.. that's another story) that if they Advertise it, They will come!!
Magic formula. Make cr@p. Make Cr@p look like chocolate mouse on the cover. Then run an ad with a bunch of beautful women eating cr@p, saying how wonderfull it is. Hey it's worked for Coors all these years!
That in a nut shell is why they hate P2P so much, it's not because it's letting kids burn out mix tapes. It's about control. They may pay through the nose for Clear Channel, but CC will push any brand of cr@p they pay for, and they can save all that money on developing talent (ie QUALITY)
Hey, Hollywood, Berman, if your listening (yeah... I laughed too) It's the QUALITY STUPID!!
Sherlock's Axiom: When you've elminated all the other possiblities, even the unlikley must be true.
For example: If you dumped half the budget into advertising, and you have an army of customers with no social life and oodles of disposable income. Then when the movie comes out it spikes for a moment, before the reviews come out.... Hmm... must be the length of time inbetween the nearly identical sequals.
Berman thinks it's a formula.
M is the amount of money he (Paramount) spends
A is Advertising
S is the StarTrek name, that still evokes images of it's Golden Age.
C is the cast, that on their own are brilliant
R is wrighters (yeah), less you spend the better,
after all no one watches a movie for the
wrighters.
A more advertising (I'm running out of variables)
P is the period between movies... err.. what is this? Who came up with this idea? Yeah, cause the timeing behind LOTR sequals is what's driving them in the theater..
M+A*S+C/R+A+P!= $$$$$$$$$$$
woo hoo!
morons...
To quote Douglas Adams "Their so unhip, I'm supprised their pants don't fall off!"
As you enter, you are greeted by a warm Muzac entry sound. "Welcome Home" It chimes in an even, an unoffensive voice.
As you walk in, you are followed by wall mounted screens delivering custome tailored advertising. Who knew I could grow another 6" safely and without any effort?
You hang up your coat and you are chimed by a tone, that says "Thankyou for using MS coat rack" Ding!
You go to the kitchen to put away groceries, but before you get there a 6 foot holographic paper clip stops you. "Your grand mother is not eating her food. Do you wish to feed her"
"No it's ok, I'll talk to her later Mr. Clippy"
"Are you SURE you dont' want me to feed her. It's not healthy for her not to eat"
"She's made it 80 years on her own Sir, she knows when to eat"
"Older peopler need to eat, human, or they could starve!"
"Fine, what ever. Give her some food"
You can hear sounds of mechanical arms wurring in the distance, and an old woman screaming... ugh just another bug.
You go to put away the food, but as you insert some fruit and turn around, you see it spit out of the fridge. "What now?!"
"This fruit is not compatible with this refridgerator"
"It's a banana you talking box of ice, just take it"
"MS Fridge 3.1 does not recognize this typen of fruit. Are you sure you want to store it in MS Fridge?"
"YES!! I want to store it in MS Fridge!!"
"Open the door manualy to continue."
You put away the rest of the food, with only a few more discussions regarding the unlicensed eggs, which aparently were not grown at McMSoft Farms, and therefor do not have the correct nutritional value. And the fit the cubbard through over you buying flower... It insists that MS Breads are a more efficient use of your leasiur time.
As you go to the TV, you realize that you won't be watching TV tonight since all that's on is the BSD show.
Sudenly out of nowhere a lazer shoots you inthe pocket and burns a hole, destroying a tape you had in your pocket. "Hey!! what was that?"
"You were carrying ilegaly coppied music. I have corrected the issue for you."
"It was a mix tape from a friend!!"
"All copyrighted materials must have digitial copy right signitures, or they may be stolen. You don't want to steal do you?"
"It's from his band you nit! Never mind, I'l just go take a shower"
You dissrobe (hoping the computer isn't watching this time) and turn on the shower.... ICE cold.
"Computer turn up the heat, please"
"The heat is on"
"No it's not, it's freezing"
"The watter is hot at 37 degreees"
"In Celcius!!"
"Error: Unknown variable.... Reporting bug.... Bug fix will be available when you upgrade to MS House XP: The Next Generation"
You scream into the night as you run naked into the woods, trying to escape the MS Tree 3000's (better greener foilage). You find your self a nice cave and grow hemp in the field. Not because you like hemp, but because you heard it causes memmory loss, and you want to forget.
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hey, I'm totaly with you here but.. which rich neighboorhoods are those? Ramat Beit Hakerim and ....
It's a huge joke. People think jews are all rich, but Israel is so frigging poor that they buy used underwear for their soldiers (I'm not kidding).
Man those arabs are getting a GREAT deal!
... nah not even worth it.
Emenent domain is a basic concept of gov't. For the case of public good the gov't can force you to sell your land. IE for a road, a water main, a military base. Happens all the time, and in every country in the world.
Well duh! If their home lands were all fun and games, they wouldn't have moved to Israel.
Thankyou for conceding to the point of Israel's existance. To provide an safe haven not just for WW2 jewish refugees(6million out of 40million were jews, most war refugees were actually ethnic Germans), but also for the jewish refugees of arab lands.
So basically people should only make favorable or indifferent comments concerning Israel?
Well let's start with something simple, like consistancy. For instance if you were against the latest invasion of Iraq, favoring the world not be involved in another countries politics. I would imagine you should say nothing about Israel at all.
I dont' advocate that. People need to become aware of the situation here, and of the middle east in general, and prepared fully to understand that there is nothing WESTERN or CIVILIZED about this situation. Most people have no idea what goes on here, besides what they see on CNN or what they here from the choir at "peace" rallies.
If what your really asking is "How can anyone critisize Israel without being labled and anti-semite?" it's easy. If your American just replace "Jews" with "Blacks".
Example:
"I have lots of Jewish and Arab, I'm not biased"
"I have lot's of black and spanish friends, I'm not a bigot"
See how bad that sounds?
Example2:
"Jews should leave israel to the arabs and go back to where they came from"
Example3:
"Israelies should not assume all Palastinians are bombers"
"Blacks should not assume all white people are in the KKK"
Wow it's not racist!!
I'll leave the South Africa response to ajakk, who I think hit the nail on the head.
But while your right, that it's no great compliment to say their indifferent... It is when you consider the context of the last 4 years. And the Israeli indifference is stark when you compare it agains the other side of the negotiating table.
It's not much, but it's really all that's left.
I was going to actually argue back. But then you ran up the colors.
Your comment about the gravy train since the Holocaust is, however, fairly close to the truth. Everytime someone brings up something about how Israel is violating international law by confiscating more land for its settlements (which no one, including the United States recognizes as legitimate) the old song about how the jews suffered under Nazi rule is brought out to justify the actions.
Yet another conspiracy freak, lunatic. It's people like you who make me want to gauge out my frontal lobe with a spoon so it can all just start making sense some how...
Sorry for the off topic, but I'm sick of this nonsense. If I can put some sense into one pea brain then I hve to . Mod me as you will.
As we know all Israeli's are evil. After living here for a year, I thought I'd translate a days activities to you:
Avi a dark skined man walks out of his mansion, onto a street filled with mansions, and climbs into his car. A 50 ton armourd bulldozer. Suddenly his cell phone rings.
Avi: Shalom! (hi/peace/goodbye)
Yitzak: Hey Avi, how's it going?
Avi: Well it was a rough day yesterday. I was too busy studying the King James Bible in english to get any real work done.
Yitzak: You know Sharons going to get really upset with you if you don't get your quota in.
Avi: How am I supposed to kill 10,000 arab children a day and still have time to spend with my wife and kids?
Yitzak: Well I was just calling you to let you know I'm building a new settlement.
Avi: Don't you already have 5 already?
Yitzak: Yeah, but I already drove the arabs out of those areas, so I thought I'd build another one. I could have chosen any of the thousands of hecktars of land that are empty, but it's just no fun without destroying a fellow human beings life.
Avi: Oh that reminds me, did you get the buliten in the mail about the last Elders Meeting?
Yitzak: Yeah, wow, were doing great! Bush even came this time! Even bowed down for Sharon. It was a real crowd pleaser. I'm telling you it's been gravey train ever since the Holocost. Best thing that ever happend to us.
Avi: Ok I gotta go, and meet quota. Catch up latter at the cafe?
Yitzak: Sure thing budy! The "Childrens Blood" is on me!
Avi: Shalom!
Yitzak: Shalom!
Wake up call.
Fact:
* Israeli's don't drive bulldozers to work.
* Israeli's are no fonder of seeing children die needlessly than anyone else.
* Jews don't drink human blood, and if you believe this it's also a fact your a moron.
* 50% of Israelis are from Iraqi, Syrian, Moraccan, Yeminite, Egyptian, Iranian, Jordainian, Afgani, Saudi, Lebanesse, and/or local descent. They tell no plesent stories from their home lands.
* No arab village has ever been raized to make way for a jewish one, except in cases where the land was owned by "Israelies" pre-48, or in cases of tacticle need. In which case it's eminant domain, and the arab land owners are compensated.
* 25% of Israelies are not jewish
* 80% of Jewish Israelies, don't practice any religion. And half of those profess radical secularism. Despite the fact that they actualy speak hebrew, most have never read any section of the Torah (old testament), and have at best a vauge idea of what it is.
* Most Israelies would rather just get on with thier lives. They neither hate nore care what happens to the "Palistinians" any more.
* Arabs can and do, walk in Zionist shopping malls, grocerie stores, parks, and public schools. Jews who walkin Arab neiboorhoods are likley to be shot/stabed/beaten etc...
If you've never been here, you have no right to comment and certainly no right to condemn. If you do live here, you still have no right to condemn, and certainly no right to spread lies and half truths.
There, now I feel better.
I can't believe some idiot moded you insightfull. This is a fake quote. And you took the bait. Who's the bigger fool? The fool with the idea, or the fool who follows him (Obi Wan Kanobie Z"Tzl)
Why is it that every time someone mentions Israel, doing some technological feet, be it adopting Linux (about bloody time) or curring cancers (yeah they have), some flaim bate comes on and thinks it's funny to start spewing filth.
Not everything you hear on the news is true. And certainly not everything you think about another is relevant for posting here!
I'd debate your "facts" but I'd run the risk of giving you some kind of bizare validation.
Stop trolling and stay on topic you shmuck!
"It will simply prevent consumers from illegal piracy, from mass distribution over the Internet, which is the problem with the music file sharing," Kenneth Ferree, head of the FCC's media bureau, said in a telephone interview.
Last I checked, any radio or tv broadcast was public domain for non-comercial use. Oh! I get it, they want to make their own laws by controling the currency... how cute.
First:
Isn't it amazing how the feaky freakies come out of the wood work every time someone mentions Israel? "Israel cures cancer with Linux", first post is "Israel Opressors of the world". Israelies a people dealing with a BAD situation that's only getting worse. In the mean time their contributions to the world are exceeded by few other nations, much their seinior and often their criticts.
Do not go launching into a diatribe about the evils of Israel and the "Ocupation" nor the nature of Kach without understanding the history and politics of the region.
Kach is not a violent movement. Not by Middle eastern standerds. If you were to compare them to say the GOP, yeah Kach is a violent organizaiton but the GOP is not dealing with daily suicide bombings, stonings, lynchings, shootings, and nuclear threats (anymore).
The closest American counterpart would be the Black Panthers. (similar logos in fact) Kach felt, as did the BP, that relations between the two groups had reached a point of no return, and that the most humane thing for both sides was seperation.
When the groups leader, Rabbi Meir Kahane ran for office in Israel, he recieved more votes than any previous first run, first party, canidate ever. And polls indicated that most Israelies didn't vote for him because they thought it may waste their vote (Israelies VOTE!), and that the next election would see Kach as the 3rd or 4rth largest party in Israel, virtualy over night. Funniest factoid of all, is that Kach was the most popular party amongst Arab Israeli voters, who explained that Rabbi Kahane treated them with respect; even though Arab Israelies already had thier own Arab political parties.
Kach's political platform was not single issue. They endorsed above all religion as a vital part of the state, development of a capitalistic economy (rather than socialism), the keeping of all teritories, and the transfer of Non-Israeli populations (read "Palistinians") out of Israel WITH MONETARY COMPENSATION!
The dominant party at the time was Avoda (Labor), and the only thing that frightened them more than the plat form of Kach (which was oppisite theirs completly), was that Israelis were so widley supportive of it. (the reasons for this are very complex and beyond the scope of this writing, but you should be aware that this is not an issue to take lighly and make assumptions about)
With the assisination of Rabbi Kahane, Labor had Kache outlawd for it's political platform (NOT VIOLENCE) of population transfer; by passing a remarkably unpopular law banning the suggestion of it in public forum.
Because of Kach's ultra-rightwing platform some of the most unsavories were drawn to it. And whithout the strong leadership of R. Kahane the group lost it's center and became MORE violent. However the actions of Kache have never amounted to more than crude thugery. In the entire history of the organization (aprox 30 years) only two violent acts of any signifigance have taken place. Neither was perpatrated by rank and file members of the organizaion, and both acted entirely alone.
Your missing the point. Indian and other 3rd world programers come to /. and post about how they are able to do what they do for cheap because they live in the 3rd world. Wonderfull!
The people who aren't jumping ship on IT in the states aren't the jerkoffs who got a ComSci degree because there was money in it. They've been doing it since they were kids, it's what they love. And they would gladly live anyplace if it let them keep doing what they love.
Well guess what, they can't do it! They can't program again even if they were to move across the globe to do it!
This is bad enough, but one would expect the market to eventualy re-equalize, as more tech service or other IT jobs requireing local workers opened up from the "growth" in the economy. But this won't happen, because H1-B's are being given out like candy to anyone who's willing to be treated like a slave by an American company, gutting what's left of the domestic market.
This isn't about American's not being payed "enough" it's about people who are good at what they do, and passionate about it, being put out to pasture for no GOOD reason.
By GOOD reason I mean from a national perspective. Outsourcing is bad enough, but the market will eventually change and adapt, and people will find jobs in kinda-related fields again. But flooding with H1Bs extends the problem hugely! A company can abuse the hell out of an H1-B, by threatening him to go home to mother russia (or what ever). These people are basicaly slaves, and in addition to their poor treatment, they are taking the jobs that would normally be comming available in a normal economy.
So since the only way for an American programmer to keep doing what he was BORN to do is to move to a country where there is a lower cost of living, and therefor jobs. And that option is taken away from him, by un-equal labor laws in these countries.
THAT IS WHY WERE PISSED!
Because writing all new code from scratch is the best way to avoid security problems!
Get a hint. Code clarity and maintainability first!
Now that would be cool. Imagine a tiney little PC with one of those projection keyboards and an, as yet uninvented (hint hint), 21" projection screen.
Now THAT is progress! (but would it run linux?)
My cell phone is 1"x3"x.5" and It's already tough enough to dial without a tooth pick. Soon
A) I relish every moment I am away from my terminals. Graphics in the real world are SOOO much better. And heading down to the record store with a friend is hardly a pain in my arse.
B) When you download those mp3's on your own time, you are getting them for free, so some degree of inconvienience can be expected. (psheeta)
C) I don't really have a C, but ther's that whole rule of 3 thing...
To make this clear, first you PAY to download the music, then you PAY for the super fast net connection so you can get it this week, then you PAY to burn your own CD on your OWN time.
Yeah, I can see why consumers are going to love this idea.
I was a sub-sub contractor for a project like this that Sony wanted to do.
I spent days TRYING to talk them out of it.
They were convinced that the whole napster phenonminon proved that users wanted to burn their own CDs... not that it had ANYTHING to do with getting something for free.
CD's bought in a store are a convienence! The only convienience this gives me is that I don't have to buy a crappy song to get a good one. Yippie!
Because finally it's a low cost Linux Laptop (as opposed to the behemoths that have previously passed for Linux Laptops).
If this is successful don't think DELL and HP won't notice.
The key here is that when people go to buy this and they ask "What kind of computer is it?" You just say "It's a laptop". No Mac/PC nonsense.
I've been in a situation to "educate" (ie brainwash) several newbies who are only now deciding to buy computers. And that is the FIRST question they ask. Now I can say "It's a laptop"
Beautiful.
I've witnessed the damage done. I know a kid, fresh out of PSU with a BA CS.
A) he never touched a lick of code before college 3rd year
B) He still can't program his digital watch
C) He got into it because he thought being a programer was a good way for an antisocial kid with an above average IQ to support himself.
You should have seen the look in his eyes when I told him 90% of haveing and keeping any computer job is dealing with co-workers, bosses, sales people etc... He was crushed.
Last I saw him, he ws looking at going back to college or becoming a politician, at least then he wouldn't have to deal with humans.
It is thought to have originated in humans over 25 years ago, and can be plainly seen in the explosion of Troll posts, on primitive BBS's across North America.
The gene, FW324D342, is not found in other primates, but is often found in worms, ferrets, and aboriginal tree slugs.
Scientists are hoping to develop a test to isolate individuals suffering with this gene and beat the ever living fsck out of them.
Symptoms include:
Routinely spouting on world politics when it realy has nothing to do with the thread.
Saying things like "First Post"
Writing assinine playoffs of the parrent topic.
Saying things like "Linux/Windows Sucks!"
Or "Poor me, I'm a descriminated Windows user who just blew 10 grand on an MCSE cert"
Have patience and faith, scientists are working hard to wipe out this world wide web plauge
Clausowitz said that war had to be horible, otherwise we would not fear to engage in it.
As horifying as The Bomb is, it is for exactly this reason that it is the greatest tool for peace.
The sheer terror of what would happen if a nuclear power were to launch is unthinkable, so is agression against them...
Note this only applies to democracies, or other goverments that are remotly concerned with the loss of their citizense lives.
It's a theory... I'll bet you $1,000,000 dollars it works?!
corebreech, your a troll.
An anti-semetic hatred filled one at that.
Out of your last 24 posts 6 were revied, and half of them are labled as flaim bait or trolls. The only time any ever responds to your posts is when your bashing Jews.
Over 3,000 Jews died in 9/11. Muslims, Christians, Jews and more died together. If we can never seem to get anything else done to gether let's all, at least, agree that we did that.
Grow up, or stop wasteing our air. (by "our", I am refering to humans in general, not arabs or jews)
True, criticizing Israel does not make you an anti-semite... however stringing together half a dozen of some of the most ridiculous pieces of myth, propaganda and half truths does.
Enjoy the KKK sticker, you earned it.
Notice what Berman talks about more than anything else: The Marketing
The movie and music industries are of a universal mindset (I've been dealing with them for the last 3 years.. that's another story) that if they Advertise it, They will come!!
Magic formula. Make cr@p. Make Cr@p look like chocolate mouse on the cover. Then run an ad with a bunch of beautful women eating cr@p, saying how wonderfull it is. Hey it's worked for Coors all these years!
That in a nut shell is why they hate P2P so much, it's not because it's letting kids burn out mix tapes. It's about control. They may pay through the nose for Clear Channel, but CC will push any brand of cr@p they pay for, and they can save all that money on developing talent (ie QUALITY)
Hey, Hollywood, Berman, if your listening (yeah... I laughed too) It's the QUALITY STUPID!!
Sherlock's Axiom: When you've elminated all the other possiblities, even the unlikley must be true.
For example: If you dumped half the budget into advertising, and you have an army of customers with no social life and oodles of disposable income. Then when the movie comes out it spikes for a moment, before the reviews come out.... Hmm... must be the length of time inbetween the nearly identical sequals.
Berman thinks it's a formula.
M is the amount of money he (Paramount) spends
A is Advertising
S is the StarTrek name, that still evokes images of it's Golden Age.
C is the cast, that on their own are brilliant
R is wrighters (yeah), less you spend the better,
after all no one watches a movie for the
wrighters.
A more advertising (I'm running out of variables)
P is the period between movies... err.. what is this? Who came up with this idea? Yeah, cause the timeing behind LOTR sequals is what's driving them in the theater..
M+A*S+C/R+A+P!= $$$$$$$$$$$
woo hoo!
morons...
To quote Douglas Adams "Their so unhip, I'm supprised their pants don't fall off!"
Grocho is never out of style!
Except for keeping them in the crisper with unripend fruits... ie an unripe avacodo
Imagine walking home... it's been a long day.
As you enter, you are greeted by a warm Muzac entry sound. "Welcome Home" It chimes in an even, an unoffensive voice.
As you walk in, you are followed by wall mounted screens delivering custome tailored advertising. Who knew I could grow another 6" safely and without any effort?
You hang up your coat and you are chimed by a tone, that says "Thankyou for using MS coat rack" Ding!
You go to the kitchen to put away groceries, but before you get there a 6 foot holographic paper clip stops you. "Your grand mother is not eating her food. Do you wish to feed her"
"No it's ok, I'll talk to her later Mr. Clippy"
"Are you SURE you dont' want me to feed her. It's not healthy for her not to eat"
"She's made it 80 years on her own Sir, she knows when to eat"
"Older peopler need to eat, human, or they could starve!"
"Fine, what ever. Give her some food"
You can hear sounds of mechanical arms wurring in the distance, and an old woman screaming... ugh just another bug.
You go to put away the food, but as you insert some fruit and turn around, you see it spit out of the fridge. "What now?!"
"This fruit is not compatible with this refridgerator"
"It's a banana you talking box of ice, just take it"
"MS Fridge 3.1 does not recognize this typen of fruit. Are you sure you want to store it in MS Fridge?"
"YES!! I want to store it in MS Fridge!!"
"Open the door manualy to continue."
You put away the rest of the food, with only a few more discussions regarding the unlicensed eggs, which aparently were not grown at McMSoft Farms, and therefor do not have the correct nutritional value. And the fit the cubbard through over you buying flower... It insists that MS Breads are a more efficient use of your leasiur time.
As you go to the TV, you realize that you won't be watching TV tonight since all that's on is the BSD show.
Sudenly out of nowhere a lazer shoots you inthe pocket and burns a hole, destroying a tape you had in your pocket. "Hey!! what was that?"
"You were carrying ilegaly coppied music. I have corrected the issue for you."
"It was a mix tape from a friend!!"
"All copyrighted materials must have digitial copy right signitures, or they may be stolen. You don't want to steal do you?"
"It's from his band you nit! Never mind, I'l just go take a shower"
You dissrobe (hoping the computer isn't watching this time) and turn on the shower.... ICE cold.
"Computer turn up the heat, please"
"The heat is on"
"No it's not, it's freezing"
"The watter is hot at 37 degreees"
"In Celcius!!"
"Error: Unknown variable.... Reporting bug.... Bug fix will be available when you upgrade to MS House XP: The Next Generation"
You scream into the night as you run naked into the woods, trying to escape the MS Tree 3000's (better greener foilage). You find your self a nice cave and grow hemp in the field. Not because you like hemp, but because you heard it causes memmory loss, and you want to forget.
Jeruselam, Bet Hakerim. I'm a 1st year yeshiva student.
And I'm to far from the Arab quarter to smell sh!t. (seriosly, they just deficate in the streats it's nasty)
Sheesh... I hate anonymous posters.