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U.S. Lists Web Sites as Terrorist Organizations
mgcsinc writes "The United States for the first time has placed a web site on the list where it normally places terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda, placing several conditions on Americans' interactions with the website. Certainly, few could challenge the latest addition, but how could this ability to effectively squelch internet speech be used by the government with less valid rationale in the future?"
Squelching internet right? Jesus..you people need to get a grip.
Since when a website ever directly killed anyone?
I have over 70 freaks, do you?
With the current administration so adamant about not criticizing israeli actions...
Jewish group Kahane Chai or Kach, which is suspected of organizing attacks on Palestinians.
This is a first!!!!
3000 dead over past 2 years, still no free Palestinians, still
and a fundamentalist facist country has emerged from its ashes along with the propganda,lies,corruption and terroism of its citizens that goes with it
stop convincing yourselves that you are free and democratic, you are neither and the sooner you and your 280 million sheep realise it the better for everyone (the 94% of the worlds population that currently dislikes you)
Of course, just posting this link here means the site will probably be slashdotted out of existence!
anyone notice the red pill/blue pill on kahanetzadak.com
Two days from now everyone will forget this. Overanalyzing this issue will only lead to FUD. I have full faith in the US government atleast when it comes to this kinds of issues.
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goatse.cx. Now, if that's not a TERROR-ist site, what on earth is?
How do I get my site on there. I'm sure it would do wonders for my hit count.
Ashcroft's gonna kick down CmdrTaco's doors for affiliating with terrorist websites now!
Converting your psyche into a mess since year 2000.
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From the article:
"The State Department said it was yet clear how this would work in practice."
(I am assuming they meant to say 'unclear').
I love it when rules are created as a knee-jerk, shotgun approach. 'Let's just put this down on paper - someone else will figure out how to make it work later...'
Please stop APK.. you're only hurting yourself.
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I am such a karma whore!
well there is something new. when i watch cnn/bbc/sky news the always seem to focus on the palistinian terrorists and the israely army. its refreshing to know that america is at least being a "little" democratic.
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Apparently now emitting an idea, is a crime. There goes protected speech, and thoughtcrime is a reality. George Orwell was just 20 years too early.
From there there is not that far to outlawing voting for the opposition. USA citizens should have brought their government to heel when they had the chance(the constitution gave them that power) but now they would have to collectively each commit a crime(a terrorist crime no less) to exert their own constitutional rights... From there, how far to outlawing a repeal of a politician? I guess Arnold's election scared all the politicians with thoughts of "he ain't one of us"...
Wrecking the national college grades since 1996 and before...
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But the law may not enable the United States to block access to the Web sites, if only for technical reasons. What ever happened to freedom of speech? I'm not trying to be a pinko here, and see how, well, it's obviously stupid, but hey... and what the hell's with all those pill ads? "SUPPORT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ARAB WORLD - Click thru and shop for metabolife NOW!"
What if the terrorists hosted banner ads on their websites? To have their web site publicly announces but not blocked has probably made them lots and lots of visits :-)
This certainly sets a frightening precedence; I think I hazard stating the obvious in saying that. While one might make the defense that this governmental "blacklist" is not denying American's Right To Free Speech, let me as you this as a rebuttal:
Having visited the Yahoo article, were you just a bit put off by the prospect of visiting the sites listed, for fear of governmental attrition? I certainly was, and that's a scarry thing.
I did return from my temporary indisposition and clicked on all the sites, merely to see what was what. Strange, though, that a medium of supposedly free communication is now inspiring these thoughts...
Merely food for thought, thanks for listening to me!
Regards,
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Jeff Halper
Israel's massive and cruel January 10 attack on an impoverished civilian population of Palestinian refugees -- 58 or more homes systematically demolished (some while their inhabitants were still sleeping inside, according to Friday's Ha'aretz newspaper), at least 520 people made homeless in the dead of winter ( 300of them children) -- is chilling in its conception no less than in its human cost. While presented as "retaliation" for a Hamas attack on an Israeli military outpost the day before, the Israeli Army spokesman admitted that there was no connection between the attack and the demolitions. In fact, plans for massive demolitions -- described by the IDF spokesman as "a number of structures demolished out of tactical considerations" -- had been drawn up weeks before, and were only awaiting an "opportune" moment. General Yom-Tov Samia, former Commander of the IDF's Southern Command, said in a radio interview back in September that "The IDF must raze all the houses [in the Rafah refugee camp abutting the Egyptian border] within a strip of300 -400 meters in width....Arafat must be punished, and after each incident another 2- 3rows of houses must be razed....We must employ this very extreme instrument; it is workable...and I am happy it is being used. Sadly, in steps which are too small. It must be done in one big operation."
The razing of the houses in Rafah, while unusual in its scale, is part of a long-term policy, a kind of low-intensity warfare, that often escapes public attention. Since the start of the second Intifada, 80 Palestinian civilians have been killed in the Rafah refugee camp, among them22 children. 1125 people have been wounded, 108 are seriously handicapped. Some 200 homes have been demolished, another 200 seriously damaged,1400 homeless -- until the latest attack. 69 shops have been destroyed,1600 people have lost work, 520 acres of agricultural land have been "cleared," and water sources systematically destroyed. Even the IDF characterizes Rafah as a "wasteland." Israel's razing of houses in Rafah is clearly a war crime and constitutes a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which protects civilians under occupation (and which Israel has signed and ratified). Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states that: "No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited." Article 53 forbids "Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons" -- another clear reference to house demolitions. The mass demolitions were a particularly dramatic and visible violation of international law, but hardly the only one. Because the Geneva Convention defines "occupation" as a temporary condition and therefore prohibits occupying powers from making their presence permanent, virtually every element of Israel's 35 year occupation is illegal. Occupying powers are forbidden to brutalize the civilian population (Article32 , which includes assassinations). They are prohibited from pillage (Article 33 which applies to Israel's extensive use of West Bank and Gazan water resources, especially as they are denied the local Palestinian population). They are prohibited from using collective punishment (also Article33 , which includes the imposition of prolonged closures and curfews, as well as demolitions). Occupying powers are forbidden to impoverish the local population or prevent its finding gainful employment, such as Israel's10 year "closure" of the Occupied Territories has done (Article39 ). Article 49forbids deportations and any "forcible transfers," which would include such common practices as revoking the Jerusalem IDs of Palestinian residents or banning Palestinians from returning from work, study or travel abroad.
The Fourth Geneva Convention also outlaws settlement" "The Occupying Power shall not.t
effectively squelching internet speech? there is no restriction on accessing the website.
They start with one site, then another, then another, then... you all know where this leads.
I see nothing wrong with Kahane websites, or Kahane organization in general. Kahane.org is critisizing Israeli government from the right, thus going against official US position in regards to Israeli government. Irregardless of the believes that Kahane offshot organizations hold, I do not recall a single attack purpotrated against Palestinians by Kahane.org or any affiliated websites, or any affiliated organizations. Is it possible that the US government is trying to influence the policies of Israeli government by banning some of their critics from the right? Does it seem as an attempt of "evenhandidness" towards the Palestinian terrorist groups? Just a note: the founder of Kahane movement was killed by the same person who purpotrated the World Trade Center attack in 1993.
to more censorship. Next target : kerneli.org for providing cryptoapi and cryptoloop for Linux. Then, gnu.org for providing gpg and emacs (you can write terrorist letters with emacs). Then www.delta.com for providing cheap flights that terrorists can hijack, then slashdot.org for linking to them all.
... riiight ...
What next? public book burning?
USia, the land of free speech
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
It seems to me the ability to designate any web site as a terrorist organization, would potentially give the Feds the authority to tap the entire Internet. That's the gist i get from the Patriot Act, not that you can easily figure out what this law actually does...
For example...
I'd love to get my hands on whatever obfusicator our politicans ran on the USA Patriot Act. What a mess:
SEC. 201. AUTHORITY TO INTERCEPT WIRE, ORAL, AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS RELATING TO TERRORISM.
Section 2516(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) by redesignating paragraph (p), as so redesignated by section 434(2) of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-132; 110 Stat. 1274), as paragraph (r); and
(2) by inserting after paragraph (p), as so redesignated by section 201(3) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (division C of Public Law 104-208; 110 Stat. 3009-565), the following new paragraph:
`(q) any criminal violation of section 229 (relating to chemical weapons); or sections 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2332d, 2339A, or 2339B of this title (relating to terrorism); or'.
Trying to figure out the new powers granted the government in the USA Patriot Act involves a ridiculous array of search-and-replace scavenger hunting.
"... as aliases for the Jewish group Kahane Chai or Kach, which is suspected of organizing attacks on Palestinians..."
I thought that the US government was on the side of Israel in the war against Palestine. From the news reports the war over there was about Israel trying to stop Palestine from suicide bombing.
So who is the US govt for in this war? The Israel terrorists or the Palestinian terrorists.
PS this is not meant to be a troll. I'd really like to know the stance of the US govt wrt this war.
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I would never have visited those sites unless they were on that list. didn't even know they existed.
Quoted from the article:
Under U.S. law, it would be illegal to provide money or other material support to the designated Web sites
So if the site has ad banners on it, and I visit the site -- if they have a pay-per-view plan on their ad banners, then my visit just generated $0.0005 for the website. Would I be breaking the law?
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...for a website to be a terrorist organization, it would have to destroy random targets, and instill fear in the masses. So, umm, don't they mean a site like this?
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Just wait....
How long do you think it will be until the MPAA, RIAA, or some other "Big Business" (friend of the Bush family) convinces the honorable John Asscroft that 2600 is a terrorist organization. After all, they talk about security exploits, fun with the phone systems, etc.
If this goes unchallenged, the possibility of abuse against people "not with the team" is almost a definite.
You'd see that donating money to the website is now illegal, and banks are supposed to "freeze funds" of those operating the website... Though, they weren't sure how this would work in practice.
Even all out blocking was mentioned thusly:
But the law may not enable the United States to block access to the Web sites, if only for technical reasons.
That's funny, I don't recall the bill of rights and free speech being called "technical reasons" when I studied US history in high-school and college.
At the very least, any good slashdotter over 18 should go read every site on that list and make a determination for themself. To even consider that the US needs to "wholly block" sites from another country, seems... unfree. (Note: I'll be doing my reading from an internet cafe and I'll be paying in cash)
Call it a "war on terror" if you like, I'll continue to consider it a "war on freedom".
For one thing, Kahane Chai itself is already on the list. For another, if the same thing happened with a book publisher, TV channel, or whatever this wouldn't even be on Slashdot.
grow up, fag.
The classification is about providing monetary or other material support to the site which the government considers to be a front for Kach/Kahane Chai, which are actual terrorist organizations. These groups, by the way, are flat-out banned in Israel if I'm not mistaken. The press is much freer there than in any other country of the region, but it's not like they have a 1st amendment.
I actually met Kahane about 25 or 30 years ago during his JDL (Jewish Defense League, an only slightly less objectionable organization) days. The man was a dangerous racist/fascist with very little support here or in Israel. I don't think it's mentioned in the articles, but Kahane was shot dead by an Arab in NYC, I believe in the early 80's.
Look at the list:
Current List of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations (as of October 5, 2001)
1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group
3. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
4. Aum Shinrikyo
5. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
6. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
7. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
8. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
9. Hizballah (Party of God)
10. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
11. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
12. Kahane Chai (Kach)
13. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
14. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
15. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
16. National Liberation Army (ELN) 17. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
18. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
19. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
20. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
21. al-Qa'ida
22. Real IRA
23. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
24. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)
25. Revolutionary Organization 17 November
26. Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)
27. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
28. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)
Why does it NOT surprise me that the IRA isn't on there? They've engaged in terrorist activities.
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Domain names are included with the list of the organizations.
"There ought to be limits to freedom"
How long before this is a classification that geeks strive for?
"Getting the google counter and endless slashdot mod points is not enough... I want to be an internet terrorist!!!!"
If you consider this about an anti-abortion group, would a site containing anti-abortion retoric by the same group who bombed an abortion clinic. Would that make any donation to their website or materials used in a picket would be considered supporting their terrorist activities?
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It reminds of of the article a few days back that Indian government had asked its ISPs to block access to a particular groups's yahoo group. As ISPs couldn't implement that, they blocked all the yahoo groups.
Anyway, the question is that are such type of actions completely unjustified? I mean I know they are against freedom of expression, but what are the alternatives for a government when faced with such a situation. Take the example of SCO. Even though they emanate a lot of FUD, many people still believe that they are right (What was that group which bought SCOX shares?) The point is most people don't research the claims made by others. They believe what is aligned with their existing belief system and reject the rest (the reason for all the religious wars I think). So now faced with such a situation, should the govermnent, with the knowledge that this may lead to some other people joining the movement without knowing all the facts about it, be justified in imposing some kind of restrictions? I mean I know it will make many people extremely mad, and maybe make them join the ranks of such an organisation, even though they might not have under normal circumstances, but is this number is smaller than the total number of people who would have been affected otheriwse, is the government justified?
What's under yellowstone?
Nothing is being censored, people. Just don't get caught donating money to the site. RTFA.
Why hasn't the KKK been targetted in the war on terror? They've been terrorizing our nation for more than 100 years, and they're very public.
Wow you're stupid. CNN is part of (AOL) Time Warner. Reuters is independent.
Well, he isn't a web site, but if those sites are terrorist sites, what did Mr. Delay's remarks in Israel make him?
The solidarity between the United States and Israel is deeper than the various interests we share.
It is the solidarity of all people -- in all times -- who dream of and sacrifice for liberty. It is the solidarity of Moses and Lincoln. Of Tiananmen Square and the Prague Spring.
I don't know about Prague, but the rest of 'em sorta ended on a down note there Tom, Sir.
Israel's liberation from Palestinian terror is an essential component of that victory. And it's a liberation we are determined to secure -- not merely a paper-thin cease-fire. False security is no security, and murderers who take 90-day vacations are still murderers. The violence must stop.
Wow, to Tom! Let's see, we stop terrorist by blowing them up right? You must be advocating the annhilation of anyone who disagrees with this view point, especially if they're those rascally Palestinians?
God, please grant these, our lost legislative body, the clearness of mind to see that ROBBING THE CIVILIANS OF ANY NATIONALITY OF THEIR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH is bad, damn naughty, and I can't just keep apologizing all over the place for them. Please lord, do smite them 'til they see they error of their, yeah, though possibly unintentional, in reality (where it all counts anyway Mighty One), satanically evil ways.
Thanks in advance!!
So, in my never ending quest to get added to the FBI/NSA/etc watch list, I visited each of the sites referenced in the main post.
I will admit to feeling naive about it, but the site kahanetzadak.com REALLY freaks me out. This is the worst kind of racism - it's as bad as American Aryan sites. Total hate. From my point of view, it's as bad an advertisement for modern Judaism as I have ever seen.
The reason I state my response title as "Confused" is that I really wonder if this isn't some reverse-propaganda put up by (equally racist) arabs / palestinians to make the Jews look bad (awful).
For the record: as a whitebread motherf'ing American cracker, I have no business even having an opinion, but I have long thought that our (our country's) support of what I understand to be a Jewish occupation of Arab lands to be absurd.
Again, I was just shocked at the uncloaked hate and racisim that flows from that site. Quote from the front page (capslock is theirs): "DO YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO PLAY WITH THEIRS?".
Gah, we live in a fucked up reality.
-astro
Seem like the biggest target for any western hacker. A group dedicated to bombing civilians would be a fun hacking target. No law enforcement to punish you if you get caught and possibly helping fight the war on terror by disrupting online actions. At the very least I would enjoy a slashdotting of this sites for the time being.
As for privacy concerns, well if the Chinese government can't stop their people from getting to web sites and discussion boards with the help of the biggest US tech companies (Great Firewall of China) then I don't worry about the US's attempt of blocking me.
slashdot will be flaged as a terrorist website because of the slashdoting effect. ewwwwwww
Apparently Jewish dating services are a major source of terrorism funding in the region.
Then the neocon Likudniks will marshall their legions of Christian Zionist golems against Washington for "picking" on Israel. All the Israel shills like Weiner "Savage" and the rest on Jew-controlled talkradio will start spinning Monday morning
You will see this story go down the memory hole and the Jewish supremacists get taken off that list ASAP by the end of next week. Maybe Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell will even get involved stumping for that shitty little country
I notice quite a lot of people up in arms over the free speech aspects of this. So I have to assume you guys are all ok with anti-abortion internet websites listing doctor's home address and encouraging people to kill them right?
Finkployd
There is an add for realwhitelight.com on kahanetzadak.com therefore the government can sieze the assets of realwhitelight for supporting terrorists.(Direct transfer of money to thier bank accounts when they paid for the advertising.) The image is a direct link(view the html source) with no tracking; a sign that they directly signed a advertising contract together. In any case, there is an add for "The Sharper Image" on realwhitelight.com, so maybe The Sharper Image is indirectly funding terrorists? How far can the US government take this? To quote: " Under U.S. law, it would be illegal to provide money or other material support to the designated Web sites, the people who run them could be denied U.S. visas and U.S. banks MUST block their funds."
I wonder how long it will take efore they list all "hate" group web sites as terrorist organizations. There are a zillion KKK sites. What's next? WhyChristiansSuck.com?
That instruments of online speech are now added to "terrorist organizations" is a very clear and present danger to internet freedom and to 1st Amendment rights of US citizens. It is also a clear danger of worldwide moves to destroy internet sites the US government decides it does not like. The designation of terrorist organization itself is not required to be supported in any legal proceeding whatsoever before assets are seized and friends/visitors/parties involved of/with the organization face possible long prison terms if prosecuted and immediate pre-trial (if any) seizure of assets. If the US administration pushes ahead with "Patriot II", anyone who supports a arbitrarily named "terrorist organization" including now websites, could be labeled an enemy combatant and have US citizenship (if any) revoked. This means that even the tissue of Bill of Rights protectin would be removed.
These are very Dark Times. All means of opposing this latest action in the so-called "War on Terror" must be examined and any that will help must be taken.
I had 5 Irish guys rooming with me for the summer, so I'm pretty clear on this. The IRA in the past has engaged in terrorist activities, true, but as part of the latest round of negs, they agreed to back down in exchange for being taken off the list. Apparently, there's been some very real reforms in the IRA, and they've pretty much backed down from being so...terrorist. The Real IRA, OTOH, is an ultranationalist, ultraviolent splinter group of the IRA that is a serious, hardcore terrorist group; they've pledged they won't stop the killing until Northern Ireland is "unoccupied" by the Brits and "cleansed" of Prottys. Good old-fashioned religious terror.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
>Why does it NOT surprise me that the IRA isn't on there? They've engaged in terrorist activities.
ummm... what about number 22?
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Your moment of glory per your .sig seems to have gone to your head.
At the risk of losing carma (sorry, reference to the game Carmageddon), I'd like to point out that this fellow seems to be trying to herald a new type of first poster. His posts are equally vaccuous as the simple troll poster's "Frist Psot", yet the folks with mod points often mod him/her/it up simply because its is the first msg they see whilst basking in the glory of finding that they have mod points.
When I have moderator points, I immediately go to articles posted *not to the main page*. I'll go first to the 'Science' category and look for comments worthy of mod'ing up. Incidentally, I may find a few trolls or flamboyantly igoramous comments that might need mod'd down, but those are few. The trolls and whores frequent the articles posted to the main page so that they may enjoy their 15ms of fame.
-RobSlimo [not roblimo]
haxalot = troll, the parent ac = insightful.
The government isn't banning the website. They are banning material support for the organization that runs the website. IE you can't donate funds to the organization. This is because they use the funds you donate to murder people. It is probably useful to have information about these sites available to the public, so that you don't get duped into thinking that your donation supports a charity. Let us not forget that Al'Q was often funded unknowingly by American muslims who thought they were feeding poor children.
This isn't quite the same as banning speech. Certainly it can get a little grey, and it could be abused, but its not obviously wrong in and of itself. Are you allowed to run a website which advocates the ideas of one of these terrorist groups? Yes. If you are actually involved in the operations of said terrorist groups are we going to let your free speech rights get in the way of preventing us from arresting you or shutting down your operations? Hell no! There is a difference.
Confused about the US opposing an anti-palestinian group?
Reading Z Magazine will rot your brain just as fast as watching Fox news. Yes the US supports Israel. When this is said, what it means is that the US supports Israel's right to exist. This does not mean that the US agrees with everything that anyone in Israel does, or even everything the Israeli government does. The left argues otherwise because oversimplification of the issue makes it easy for you to jump to the conclusions they advocate. The US has also expressed support for a Palestinian state. The difficulty with this the Israeli/Palestinian issue is not just inbred generations of mutual hate, but also that its proven almost impossible to balance the interests of the two parties. No one has figured out how to give the Palestinians what they want/need without creating a situation that threatens Israel's long term existence. In short, things are always much more complex then you think. I'm over simplifying too.
AFAIK, Meir Kahane's been on the State Deptartement's list of terrorists for a few years now, since even before the War On Terror started. Him and his boys are the Israeli equivalent of the Black Panthers - extremist militants who happen to get a kick out of killing Muslims, and manage to see the whole world as a Muslim conspiracy against the pious Jews.
Regardless of which side the US Governent is one, Kahane is the kind of group that would be blocked.
Cue The Sun...
At least in the last 50 years or so, they have been. I'm not saying members of the KKK aren't violent, but the organization as a whole doesn't go on midnight lynching rides anymore. Sure, they constantly spew a rhetoric of hatred and intolerance, but hey, if you think that kind of speech should be restriced, you're free to move to Europe.
I personally think that hate speech, the most distasteful and disturbing, should also be the most protected, precisely because it's unpopular..."It is a besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which masses of men exhibit their tyranny." - James Fenimore Cooper.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
and I'm not just talking content here! Screams for a web designer.
If you post it, they will read.
That is in fact, EXCATLY what happened to me. I was about to paste the address when i thouhgt, well what if they are monitoring the logs as we speak.
Since i am not an American BUT i travel a lot to the us for business the possibility of entry denial by immigrations was too expensive for me to risk it.
i could use a string of proxies, but it was too much trouble for sightseeing.
The land of the free indeed.
The US has not listed a website as a terrorist organization. It simply listed it as an alias for a known terrorist organization.
Kahane.com is not being banned for saying bad things. It is being banned FOR CARRYING OUT TERRORIST ATTACKS IN WHICH CIVILIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN AN ATTEMPT TO ACCOMPLISH POLITICAL GOALS.
Listing kahane.com as an alias for Kahane Kach just makes it clearer to US citizens that aiding any group claiming that name is a felony.
It makes as much sense to claim that kahane.com is a non-terrorist political offshoot of a terrorist group as it does to claim (as the Europeans did until recently) that Hamas is a non-terroist organization.
This notion that groups which support the killing of civilians can be split into terrorist and non-terrorist components simply does not pass the smell test.
I'm glad to see the Bush administration applying this principle uniformly.
The /. effect fights terrorism!
Slashdot "killed" more than a few web sites that couldn't handle the slashdotting.
Slashdot is a WWD (Weapon of Website Destruction).;-)
Kahane sounds a lot like most extreme right-wing religious groups. The extremists of the Christian right, the Jewish right, and the Islamic right have far more in common with each other than they like to admit.
I'm surprised that the Bush Administration is acting in this area. Bush Jr. (unlike Bush Senior) gets considerable support from the American Jewish community in exchange for his support of Israel. There's got to be more political story behind this.
Do your part on the war on terrorism by slashdotting this page! Yes, you too can be part of the solution. Uncle Slash wants you!
The number one terrorist that needs to be on that list is Attorney General John Ashcroft. He's done more to undermine the Constitution than any foreign organization has ever dreamed of.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
It doesn't matter if they are Israeli or Palestinian.
It just happens to be the case that right now you see many more killings by Palestinian terrorists than by Israeli terrorists. This is probably because Israel is in political control of the region right now.
When (if?) peace is achieved and some of the settlements are evacuated, you can expect to see a far greater degree of activity from Israeli terrorist groups. Right now, they would have to be strategic morons to do anything. (Obviously there are at least a few handfuls of strategic morons).
The other option would be to give up and get a life.
First Post!
The Israelis that run the website are not hiding in the mountains somewhere in Pakistan. The fact that the Bush Administration put the website on the list is political...they're sending a message that they will consider certain Israeli organizations to be terrorists if they behave like terrorist Palestinian organizations.
The people who run this website may or may not have family in the U.S or might want to visit the U.S in the future. Cutting them off from that access is a punishment, certainly.
But will this work for any fundamentalist Islamic terrorist website? Hardly.
This has nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with accountability of ones' actions on the Internet. Anyone is free to spread hatred on the Internet. The Bush Admin is saying that, whenever possible, we don't want those people running the websites to be any friends of ours.
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Sabotage is destruction of important resources, like trains, planes, buildings, bridges, factories, banks, farms, networks. It is material destrucion, all too well known to people through generations of war. Sabotage is expensive for both parties, and society has developed more or less effective security defenses. It has always been accompanied by terror, which spreads through a population affecting morale - "war, and rumors of war" go hand in hand.
Terrorism emphasizes the terror generated by sabotage. It attacks the morale of a population, rather than the material resources. Terrorism is much cheaper for the attacker than the defender (an "asymmetrical" threat). And our society has fewer effective security defenses, though now we must.
America has long been at the vanguard of security innovations, with much success. There is no other population of 300 million that has had the degree of safety as does America, certainly with the open access we enjoy. And this has been true, in proportion, since the nation was established centuries ago, with the notable (and still unfolding) exception of the Civil War. We have the opportunity to repeat our successes in securing our physical security, in the information-oriented world that we have created, dominate, and are committed to living in.
The distinction between sabotage and terrorism is important, probably pivotal. Our consumption of information about bad events must account for the focus of terrorists on the information, and its vulnerability. I recommend reading War and Peace in the Global Village, by Marshall LcLuhan. And Beyond Fear is on my own "to read" list. The challenge of terrorism presents an opportunity to become stronger, freer, and to lead the rest of the world with our good example.
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Repugnant as the views expressed on the other sites may be, I really can't see the point in this. If being entered on to the list has any impact at all (except for driving lots of people to look at it and see what the fuss is all about), the site owners can easily relocate the content to a new domain. There are an infinitely many potential domain names for them to choose from.
I don't believe this is intended to perform any useful purpose other than to send a message to someone. Perhaps the White House will point to this next time they are accused of favouring the Israeli government over the plight of the Palestinians. Alternatively, perhaps it is just a testing of the waters, if they get away with this one, they may feel emboldened to start tackling other organisations.
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I really think this is just a cover move by the government to deflect attention from the real target.... Slashdot. Thats right. You heard it here first. Today Kahane. Tomorrow us.
In this particular instance, we are talking about a publically available website. Something that any member of the general public can see. Whether we are talking about a website or someone exercising their dog in a public park, the government can observe any activities that the general public can view. They can read the website, or watch you exercise your dog in the park, no special considerations required.
Or are you concerned about something besides tapping?
> When has an individual ever directly killed
> anyone? It is the bullet that's fired by the gun
> actuated by the finger connected to the hand
> dangling from the arm that carries out the action
>, fuckwad.
There is a key difference. When you pull the trigger, you set in place a series of events that are irreversible. If it hits it's target in a place that will kill someone, you are the direct cause.
When you post something on a website, people (may or may not) read it. They may or may not be inspired or agitated to do something. If they decide to do something about it they can either *CHOOSE* to do something constructive or destructive. If they choose to do something destructive, they may choose to destroy property or harm people. If they choose to harm people they may choose to do something mild (e.g. drop itching powder on their "enemies") or do something more serious.
There's a lot of choice with websites. Websites are like books. They provide information. What you do with that information is completely up to you.
Just because you read a banned book like "Fahrenheit 451" doesn't mean that you are automatically and inevitably a criminal.
Where is the list of terrorist websites? Because I want to browse them all!!
http://ebgp.net/ccc/
wouldn't it be a better idea to actually go out and _catch_ some terrorists instead of pissing away time and money chasing easy and irrelevant targets?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
I'm looking at kahanetzadak.com, to use as an example.
A lot of these sites have banner ads. One prevalent "sponsor" (their word) is some site called affordablehealthcare.com. So would I be supporting terrorism by buying medical supplies from them.
On the links page, the articles of people like Alan Keyes, Rush Limbaugh, Senator James Inhofe, and George Will are linked to. Does this make them sponsors of state terrorism.
Heck, Circuit City has a link on their pages. Are they now supporters of terrorism?
Interestingly, cafepress apparently has pulled their affiliation with these people.
This isn't to say that these websites aren't podiums for some very nasty people, but it seems that the websites themselves are protected forums of expression. Even buying the trinkets or books sold directly seems to be aimed at deseminating ideas.
Is slashdot.org complicit and criminally liable for linking to the story. Am I criminally liable for even reading the sites?
Only heinous actions, not ideas, should be punishable. This action by the state department is edging awfully close to censorship and thought control.
evanchik.net
But it's slashdot, so any posts that agree to the party line gets modded way up.
Interesting.
He's good at playing the "karma game"
Why can't those who don't want to really contribute just go back to crapflooding? It's more entertaining.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
Tap the Internet how? It's not like there's a single wire anywhere along the way to easily connect into. Short of tapping at the receiving end where all the packets converge again at the destination web-site, you'll need to do that for every single site and then trace back every IP address -- including those using anonymous proxies.
Possible? Yes.
Expensive? Very yes.
Worth the effort? Ask the RIAA!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Well they can either adjust for inflation, or travel in pairs.
Every Jew a .44 -- Make My Day!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Yep, USA fucking sucks goatse balls.
I think they should add Rabbi Goatse(a terrorist site run by volunteers, if you're interested) to the list. I wouldn't want the holy Rabbi Goatse(or at least the one...) in America, or anywhere at all... hmm don't add it to the list and let him go anywhere he wants, especially USA.
Lucky me doesn't even live in USA, lol, I am going to donate all my money to all the crazy Rabbis and hope they will do more great deeds like our hero bin Ladin.
MOD ME UP IF YOU ARE A FELLOW TERRORIST NOT AFRAID OF YOUR GOVERNMENT!
The next site to be called a terrorist site will probably be www.democrats.org. The Republican party has used the FBI to watch Demacrats, Now treason (leaks) is covered up at the White House, and never forget the non-election of 2000.
That sounds like a good idea.
There were attempts to ban VoIP (as if you can separate one type of data from another).
Now political speech sites (have we become France verses Yahoo Auctions?)
At the same time our government is setting up anonymous proxy servers to help Iranians visit political dissent sites.
Who is being helped and who is being hurt?
Who has freedom?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
The republic was invented by the Romans.
Hitler was inspired by the Romans.
The republicans are nazis.
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I wonder if whitehouse.gov made the list?
The most level-headed thing I've seen on Slashdot in a while. Genuinely something intelligent. Thank you. I wish I could Mod you up.
Of course, you're replying to a '+4 interesting' which is horrible tripe. It's a damn shame.
luckily the internet isn't much of a web design like envisioned... there are only a couple of major backbones that would need to be tapped to capture the vast majority of traffic.
Who is really an occupier?
Don't Palestinian thugs occupy jewish land of Judea and Samaria?
Why jews shouldn't live live in Judea and Samaria, when there are a lot of Arabs in Israel?
Do you really think that giving to palestinian arabs a lot of good and modern weapons will help?
Can't wait for them to get listed for their grenade logo.
And yeah, they DID use violent tactics as well.
I don't support any violent group, but there are a LOT more of them than this. And I don't see why governments should be excused.
...reporting on it. All over the worl there are tribal people killing eachother, and none of the conflicts get as much attention as the Arab-Israeli conflict. Neither Israel nor Palestine are of strategic importance to the West or to the Arab worlds.
By mutual agreement both the Western and Arab press should just stop reporting on it, and stop giving money to the respective sides.
Think of the benefits--unrest in the region would no longer affect our markets. Foreign policy resources could be devoted to solving other issues.
As for the people that inhabit the region, once they realize they aren't that important, they would have to lear how to work together and establish a true secular democracy with respect for the rights of all.
Additionally, the temple mount could be comdemned with the cooperation of religious leaders from both sides. Nobody would be allowed to set foot on it. Why, that would make it even more sacred, wouldn't it?
Then, land could be set aside for a new temple and a new mosque to replace the old run-down ones that are there now. Since the Dome of the Rock is still in pretty good shape though, they should probably be allowed to move it.
Then the people who live there would all have to get real jobs.
As a person of Jewish ancestry I understand the feelings that swirl around the region, but frankly as an American and a convert to Christianity I see nothing but folly there. The "Holy Land" has become a joke. Maybe this is what Revelation is about--fires, brimstone, etc. Perhaps God will destroy that land with some kind of natural disaster... let's say a fault opens up and a huge volcano erupts, covering the entire region with ash like Pompei.
That would be the best thing that could happen
Really.
I'm just sick and tired of hearing about it.
When these people are old and grey, and look back on their lives consumed with revenge over some 2000 year family fued (Jews and Arabs are brothers!) what will they think they have accomplished with their lives?
Any blue collar worker in the US who payed off his mortgage and raised a family has accomplished far more than the most respected leader from either camp.
end, rant.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Some people want the parent of this post modded down; I want it to stay modded UP. But there's a prior sibling that ALSO needs to be modded up. It's important for the context of these quotes to be noted, but the original message also needs to be aired.
Step 1 : Write an article for CNN, providing URL details then /. it...
Step 2 : Hang your head in shame!
Kang = Bush?
mhmmm, that would explain a lot... including his rudimentary grasp of the english language.
Wait a sec!!! Arnold is Kodos then!
Since one of the site has a ".com" address, does this means that Verisign is providing "support"?
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
And...this...is...lucky...exactly...how...?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
You are a long time user to Slashdot. :
:6 992 273 - Joking about weed use is a dangerous thing around the proper authorities, much like jokingly saying you have a gun in your carry-on luggage at an airport.
9 73 667 - In which you slam the war on Iraq.
8 40 785 - In which you admit to illegaly sharing (presumably U.S.) TV-Shows with the rationale of "I use kazaa for trading of tv shows because as i am not in the us i can't enjoy the pleasures of PVRs and building my own for a few shows is not worth it."
You read it regualarly.
You post to it regularly.
At Slashdot, you can read/learn about
- Home-made guns, bombs, chemical and electrical experiments riddled with "Don't do this at home kids!" exclamations.
- Numerous bashings of U.S. government policy and the president, George W. Bush.
- Numerous bashings of the U.S.' largests corporations with powerful lobbies (Microsoft?)
- The latest in hacking and cracking news, more often than not defying and slamming such laws as the DMCA (like it or not, it's a law - get it voted out, but until then you're bound by it), including such delectable stories as hacking voting machines.
Not to mention that you made such posts as
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=78967&cid=
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=64110&cid=5
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=62501&cid=5
All that.. and you worry about, a likely innocent and isolated, sightseeing at the sites mentioned ?
I think you need to re-adjust your tinfoil hat. Under that paranoia, the U.S. Government would have plenty of reason to deny you entry as it is.
(In case you counter that they could be monitoring access to those 4 sites - who's to say they're not monitoring access to Slashdot?)
The US government has begun freely advertising anti-American and terrorist websites to a massive audience who probably would have otherwise not heard of them.
Maybe this would be a good way for Verisign to continue using their search service.
Jews should absolutely be allowed to live in the West Bank and Gaza, but Palestinians should also be allowed to return to Palestine.
Since we're all suspected terrorists anyway.
/. before (link). And there's also more links.)
(Also this is a very good follow-up read if you're interested. This has also been posted on
I, for one, welcome our new Ashcroft overlords.
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Yeah and if we all loved each other, Earth would be a paradise! Know what? This is bullshit. A human is an animal who has a natural tendency toward hierarchical society. All conflicts (whether between a teen and his parents or between two nations) are only a fight to defend of obtain a better hierarchical position. It's human nature. Have you ever wondered why people try to buy a bigger SUVs than their neighbour, why they bitch against their co-worker, why they try to hide the fact they have problem paying for their mortgage? Have you ever wondered why all teenage girls dream of a romance with a rock star they never met instead of a nice guy at their school?
We all crave power (i.e. a better hierarchical position). Once our immediate survival is not a problem, it's what drives us. Conflicts will always be a reality.
Any blue collar worker in the US who payed off his mortgage and raised a family has accomplished far more than the most respected leader from either camp.
By paying off his mortgage your blue collar worker has participated to the system and so helped to keep the system as it is. For people who believe the system must be changed, your blue collar is an enemy. Also by raising a family is has contributed to the overpopulation problem.
The internet is an interesting challenge because everything is linked together. Yahoo is now a terrorist organization because they mention the names of web sites deemed terrorists (I noticed that they did not have actual links in an anchor tags, but it does list an executable URL.).
/. a terrorist organization. I appear to have just responded to the /. article making me a terrorist.
Slashdot intentionally linked to a news acticle at Yahoo...making
What a way to ruin a Saturday. I think I will go and fill up my tank with gas...something I am sure won't ever put money in terrorists hands, because this whole free speech thang doesn't work.
Next thing you know, Michael Moore's website will be on that list.
Some of you may worry abot the freedom of speech on the internet, I think we should worry in a larger scale.
I'm lucky I'm not a US citizen: I don't want my site to be on that list because I question a lot of international politics on it.
That Partriot Act is designed to end the freedom of speech, wether on the internet or in real life (ok, for some of us, including myself, the internet is real life).
Just wonder if we can do anything about it?
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Sir Haxalot is nothing but a troller who is trying to whore karma so he can unload on us again.
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...can be bothered to read the ref'd article and learn that placing these sites on the terrorist list -- the organizations that sponsor the sites have been on the list for some time -- prohibits fundings or supporting the sites. not reading them.
If you're paranoid about the USG perhaps knowing about your visits to the site, bear in mind that the site's sponsors have probably been tracking you all along.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
As near as I can figure, this has nothing to do with websites and everything to do with website names. Websites are collections of information, much like books.
The articles says that the U.S. government has put website names on the list of aliases for terrorist organizations, but this does not mean the websites are in any sense terrorist organizations, any more than a book can be a terrorist organization.
For example, it would make no sense at all for the government to say: "We have placed the following books on our list of terrorist organizations: MEIN KAMPF, THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION, THE OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY and THE FARMER's ALMANAC."
I use the OED and THE FARMER'S ALMANAC as examples because they are books that are also ongoing projects by identifiable organizations. But the books are not the organizations--they are merely a name under which the organization may be identified.
This is an important distinction because of course only someone inexcusably ignorant of history would want the goverment censoring websites. Noting that website (or book) names may be used as aliases for terrorist organizations, however, is quite a different kettle of herring.
--Tom
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
A website can't kill people, but these guys can, and have.
How do you know that your support for the site really does go to paying for bandwidth?
How do you know if your support for one of these sites doesn't free up funds to allow them to murder another American or another Palestinian?
Check these groups out, nd then think before you post.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
A list published in the Federal Register includes newkach.org, kahane.org, kahane.net, kahanetzadak.com as aliases for the Jewish group Kahane Chai or Kach, which is suspected of organizing attacks on Palestinians...
If it's illegal to give money to these sites, is slashdotting them a patriotic act?
Ignoring something will not make it go away, no matter how you may wish it be so. You can't stop a conflict by not reporting on it anymore.
Hell is not other people; it is yourself. - Ludwig Wittgenstein
The group that sponsors this site has been on the list for years and are essentially an American group. The Israelis consider them terrorists, too.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Kach and all the other Kahane groups have been on the list for years. The Israelis consider them terrorists, too. They outlawed them in 1994. In 1994, a Brooklyn-born Kach supporter armed with a machine gun massacred 29 people in a mosque in the city of Hebron in the West Bank.
I'd guess you didn't know that.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
DEPARTMENT OF STATE
[Public Notice 4511]
Amendment of Certain Designations Pursuant to Section 1(a)(ii)(A) of Executive Order 12947
Acting under the authority of section 1(a)(ii)(A) of Executive Order 12947 of January 23, 1995, as amended by Executive Order 13099 of August 20, 1998, and in consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Attorney General, I hereby determine that the organizations listed below use or have used as aliases the additional names indicated below. I hereby amend the designations of these organizations to add the following names as aliases:
Kahane Chai (designated on January 23, 1995)
Also known as Kach
Also known as Kahane Lives
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Also known as the Kfar Tapuah Fund
Also known as The Judean Voice
Also known as The Judean Legion
Also known as The Way of the Torah
Also known as The Yeshiva of the Jewish Idea
Also known as the Repression of Traitors
Also known as Dikuy Bogdim
Also known as DOV
Also known as the State of Judea
Also known as the Committee for the Safety of the Roads
Also known as the Sword of David
Also known as Judea Police
Also known as Forefront of the Idea
Also known as The Qomemiyut Movement
Also known as KOACH
Also known as New Kach Movement
Also known as newkach.org
Also known as Kahane
Also known as Yeshivat HaRav Meir
Also known as the International Kahane Movement
Also known as Kahane.org
Also known as Kahane.net
Also known as Kahanetzadak.com
Also known as Kahane Tzadak
Also known as the Hatikva Jewish Identity Center
Also known as the Rabbi Meir David Kahane Memorial Fund
Also known as Friends of the Jewish Idea Yeshiva
Also known as Judean Congress
Also known as Jewish Legion
Also known as The Voice of Judea
Also known as No'ar Meir
Also known as Meir's Youth
Also known as American Friends of Yeshivat Rav Meir
Also known as American Friends of the United Yeshiva Movement
Also known as The Committee Against Racism and Discrimination (CARD)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (designated on January 23, 1995)
Also known as the Red Eagles
Also known as the Red Eagle Group
Also known as the Red Eagle Gang
Also known as the Halhul Gang
Also known as the Halhul Squad
Also known as Palestinian Popular Resistance Forces
Also known as PPRF
Also known as Martyr Abu-Ali Mustafa Battalion Islamic Army (designated on August 20, 1998)
Also known as al Qaeda
Also known as ``the Base''
Also known as the Usama Bin Laden Network
Also known as the Usama Bin Laden Organization
Also known as Egyptian Islamic Jihad
Also known as al-Jihad
Also known as the Jihad Group
Also known as Egyptian al-Jihad
Also known as New Jihad
I determine that no prior notice need be provided to any person subject to this determination who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, because to do so would render ineffectual the measures authorized in the Order.
This notice shall be published in the Federal Register.
Dated: October 7, 2003.
Colin L. Powell,
Secretary of State, Department of State.
[FR Doc. 03-25888 Filed 10-9-03; 8:45 am] BILLING CODE 4710-10-P The really scary part is that next to last paragraph saying it doesn't matter if you have a constutional right or not, they are still going to detain you.
So if I decide to start my own website, say a discussion forum, and someone posts links to their own H/P/A/V or warez website or even just posts how to build a bomb, whats to stop the feds from declaring my site as a "terrorist" organisation or "supporting terrorism activities" and then locking my bank account, sending me to jail, no access to a lawyer and then sentencing me to death?
Land of the free, my f*cking ass... this country is only free until you say something that pisses the Powers That Be off. So much for the First Ammendment. That Zappa quote hit the nail on the head. Freedom and democracy is a total illusion in the US and it's only a matter of time before someone really does lift the veil from the eyes of the people....
First:
Isn't it amazing how the feaky freakies come out of the wood work every time someone mentions Israel? "Israel cures cancer with Linux", first post is "Israel Opressors of the world". Israelies a people dealing with a BAD situation that's only getting worse. In the mean time their contributions to the world are exceeded by few other nations, much their seinior and often their criticts.
Do not go launching into a diatribe about the evils of Israel and the "Ocupation" nor the nature of Kach without understanding the history and politics of the region.
Kach is not a violent movement. Not by Middle eastern standerds. If you were to compare them to say the GOP, yeah Kach is a violent organizaiton but the GOP is not dealing with daily suicide bombings, stonings, lynchings, shootings, and nuclear threats (anymore).
The closest American counterpart would be the Black Panthers. (similar logos in fact) Kach felt, as did the BP, that relations between the two groups had reached a point of no return, and that the most humane thing for both sides was seperation.
When the groups leader, Rabbi Meir Kahane ran for office in Israel, he recieved more votes than any previous first run, first party, canidate ever. And polls indicated that most Israelies didn't vote for him because they thought it may waste their vote (Israelies VOTE!), and that the next election would see Kach as the 3rd or 4rth largest party in Israel, virtualy over night. Funniest factoid of all, is that Kach was the most popular party amongst Arab Israeli voters, who explained that Rabbi Kahane treated them with respect; even though Arab Israelies already had thier own Arab political parties.
Kach's political platform was not single issue. They endorsed above all religion as a vital part of the state, development of a capitalistic economy (rather than socialism), the keeping of all teritories, and the transfer of Non-Israeli populations (read "Palistinians") out of Israel WITH MONETARY COMPENSATION!
The dominant party at the time was Avoda (Labor), and the only thing that frightened them more than the plat form of Kach (which was oppisite theirs completly), was that Israelis were so widley supportive of it. (the reasons for this are very complex and beyond the scope of this writing, but you should be aware that this is not an issue to take lighly and make assumptions about)
With the assisination of Rabbi Kahane, Labor had Kache outlawd for it's political platform (NOT VIOLENCE) of population transfer; by passing a remarkably unpopular law banning the suggestion of it in public forum.
Because of Kach's ultra-rightwing platform some of the most unsavories were drawn to it. And whithout the strong leadership of R. Kahane the group lost it's center and became MORE violent. However the actions of Kache have never amounted to more than crude thugery. In the entire history of the organization (aprox 30 years) only two violent acts of any signifigance have taken place. Neither was perpatrated by rank and file members of the organizaion, and both acted entirely alone.
I would rather be ashes than dust!
Umm, so is Alan Keyes their hero, or is he on their hit list?
Anyone else notice that?
I haven't a clue, and couldn't figure it out from any of the links.
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Whitehouse.gov has been declared a terrorism site and WMD user against civilian's. All Amerikan oil assets have been frozen.(Blown up , Whatever).
The "China People's Daily" is run by the Beijing government and is the mouthpiece of the Chinese government. It has conducted a number of terrorist activities in Tibet. You can find some descriptions at Tibet Online and Amnesty International.
Further, operatives of the "China People's Daily" were stationed at the Chinese embassy in Serbia in 1999 when the embassed was hit by American bombs. The majority of people in China (which includes Taiwan Province and Hong Kong) supported the Serbian military aggression against the Kosovars. The Serbians executed thousands of men, women, and children in Kosovar in an attempt to remove them from Kosovo: the Serbia military raped the women and slit the throats of the children. The Americans sent military forces to Serbia in an attempt to stop the genocide. At the time, Chinese operatives of the "China People's Daily" operated secretly from the relative safety of the embassy and relayed communications to the Serbian army and helped the Serbians to defeat American electronic warfare. (reference: "NATO hit embassy on purpose")
The Serbian aggression against the Kosovars was strongly supported by the Chinese and is the first major case of genocide after the genocide of the Cambodians by Pol Pot. The Chinese also supported Pol Pot.
Under U.S. law, it would be illegal to provide money or other material support to the designated Web sites, the people who run them could be denied U.S. visas and U.S. banks must block their funds. The State Department said it was yet clear how this would work in practice.
:P
What if I were visit their website, and discover they have pay-per-impression banner ads? Since I just put 0.00001 cents or whatever into their pocket, would the Justice Department be able to seize my belongings in the name of "freedom"?
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Sorry. No mod points today, but you'd have one of them if you did.
Like banned books I think we owe it to our self's to see what the US gov. thinks what the world should not see.
Frankly, I think this is perfectly acceptible action at this time, and I hope that the US does not try to go further and block the sites. When you can read vile words from the mouths of fools, you're often alienated from them easier than if they were underground, secretive, suppressed, and romanticized .
Actually, advocating the overthrow of the govenment (overthrow being anything that does not comform to the law, eg. a coup rather than an election) is not protected by the 1st ammendment. There are limits, even to the first ammendment, the supreme court has ruled so on numerous occasions. It is meant to protect the legitimate discourse of ideas, even ones that are unpopular. What it does not do is protect someone who is not just speaking their mind, but is advocating/requesting that others engage in illegal activity. There are numerous laws that make such orders themselves illegal. (2nd degree murder is a simple example.
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Aren't the majority of wars based on religion? Isn't that like saying "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend"? I say - ban religions and the world will become a more peaceful place....(slightly tongue-in-cheek, of course, that's not going to happen...)
This sig is in Spanish when you're not looking....
"[An] act of terrorism, means any activity that (A) involves a violent act of an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B) appears to be intedned (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to infuence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping." (United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct. 19 volume 2; par. 3077, 98 STAT. 2707 [West Publishing Co., 1984])
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Two Jewish terrorists have been convicted in Tampa, Florida of planning bombing campaigns against Mosques as well as assassinations. The terrorist Irving Rubin committed suicide in prison awaiting trial to bomb Islamic targets in California. His jewish partner in these terrorist crimes is awaiting trial.
All this talk about Arab terrorists while we ignore zionist terrorist groups that have been with us since the 1930s.
Palestine might should like a horrible example but so far they have not done everything to Israelis that that Zionists did to the British. The zionists introduced terror bombing, hanging British hostages and even ethnic cleansing.
Facts are facts. Antisemitism is stupid. Antizionism is a moral imperative.
I don't think my tin foil hat is as loose as you think. Bremner, Bird and Fortune (three well-known political satirists in the UK) made two excellent programmes on the Iraq situation that, while entertaining and funny in a way, also did a thorough job of shattering the various illusions and excuses put up by the UK and US governments with that most primitive of weapons: facts. Several other investigate journalist types have apparently made similar reports in both countries, though I've not seen any others myself. At any rate, if you buy arguments like "Of course it wasn't for the money, it would have been way cheaper not to go to war" then you really need to look into apolitical sources and get some cold, hard facts.
In this particular case, BTW, it's the difference between US companies getting hold of Iraqi oil supplies at some helpful rate, and US companies all but running the Iraqi oil production business. Did I mention that the companies given contracts worth absurdly large sums of money to "rebuild" Iraq are pretty much entirely composed of those to whom the senior Bush administration officials have direct links? There is way, way more money in this than what they could have got out of lifting sanctions. <sarcasm> Of course, with the US in its current strong financial position and the aftermath of 911 settling down, no-one in the US government was worried about ways to boost the economy. </sarcasm>
I like your sig, BTW, but before "thinking" should come "getting facts to think about".
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
I guess then that I'm a terrorist as I obviously have links to terrorist organisations?
this is the search page http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.html I looked for "Kahane" fuck, there is about a million articals on this and not one fucking link to the site.
I thought that the US was where you may not support someones views but you supported their ability to say them. I guess while the US was fighting the British for independence then it was OK then to have subversive views of independence but its not right now. F*cking two faced if you ask me. a) Given that IIS is commercial software with a license from MS then indirectly MS has a commercial relationship and, b) it won't belong until its 0wn3d. They'll have to move to a free OS !
I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I'd wager a hell of a lot of money that neither Bush nor Blair will get another term in office.
you're assuming that the election, and it's results, in the U.S. will be properly handled. no voting box inconsistencies. no recounts. no Secretary of State(FL)(now a congressperson) who is in charge of the election, and who is also in charge of the presidential candidate's state election campaign. no voters being improperly kicked off the role by a company that is paid millions for checking the roles and gets fatter contracts afterwards for doing its job wrong.
"To stop the terrorists."
Do you mean that having abortions abuse 50% of the population? Or do you mean picketing clinics abuse 50% of the population? Either way, it does not make sense.
Getting an abortion is not abusing the woman having the abortion, that is her choice. Picketing a clinic may abuse the woman going for an abortion, but that is not 50% of the population.
Hotel Bombings
Massacres:
Assassinations:
Attacks on other Jews
Massacres by the Current Israeli Prime Minister
Attacks against the United States
The worlds first Skyjacking
Anyways, you're never going to hear your favorite politician discuss these at their next press conference. They've got way too much money in their pockets from Israeli interests. This subject is therefore officially politically incorrect and completely taboo.
Use google to form your own judgements instead. Too bad the signal to noise ratio on the web is much lower, but that's the price to pay to be knowledgable on any subject.
I can't believe the moderation in this thread by 'patriot' idiots seeking to enforce a pro-USA-at-all-costs agenda. Americans need to learn that they should never take the attitude that the President is exempt from criticism. Just because someone criticises Bush doesn't mean they are attacking the US, or the American way or life, or whatever else you would like to think they are attacking. In fact criticising Bush is itself quite a patriotic act, especially with you fools baying like a pack of blood hounds when you get the scent of a dissenter in your midst.
People with interesting views have been shouted down here and treated as irrelevant because those views are anti-Bush. Personally I think this is like torturing someone for saying that the Earth goes around the Sun and not the other way round, but hey...
Read Pynchon.
and so we see the key to freedom of the press: But the law may not enable the United States to block access to the Web sites, if only for technical reasons. not that i'm advocating these web sites, because i'm not, but the only way we can be sure that freedom of the press won't be taken away is to make it technically or practically difficult or impossible for it to be taken away.
Just because it's on the web, doesn't make it any more protected than a pamphlet. If you advocate violence, you're not engaging in protected speech, you're committing a crime. End of story. Get a clue. Al Qaeda sites were already covered by this. We just finally got some partial balance in it. If someone called this group a source of "Hate Speech" I'm sure the average /.er, who is usually from the lunatic left, would be all for banning it.
Zionists are at least as bad as Islamists.
Then everything under 'us.gov' should be listed, too, don't you think?
Next to add to the list, any site that criticizes the government. Then Martial law will be declared and Bush will be declared Feurher!
Heil Bush! Heil Bush! Will chant the mesmorized mind-controlled zombies.
This is one example among any. As long as people DO hate, and as long as other will take the time to orgnaize among themselves their "hate" agenda, any form of communication can be used to organize killing too. Thus, yes Web site can be terrorist organisation.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
If when visiting a web site that is also a "terrorist organization" you happen to click on a sponsor's banner, you will have financially supported a terrorist organization.
If the site uses popups ads, and you have simply failed to block such popups, then you are guilty of the same crime.
That's complete bullshit. For a start, the majority of Chinese (like Americans) couldn't tell you which continent the Kosovars lived on if you held a gun to their head. Total ignorance does not means support. (What the central government did is another thing entirely.)
Secondly, as a resident of Hong Kong I aver that those who DID know what the Serbs were doing were repulsed as much as anyone else. Though being on the other side of the world and lacking any army or vote, it makes no difference what we think in this or most other foreign issues. I do know some local charities have been active in supporting aid in the Balkans.
The written purpose for Americans being allowed to have arms is so that they may rise up and unseat a tyrannical government. This includes unseating Bush by force if that were the will of the people.
The laws that make it a felony to even threaten to do this, should be illegal in themselves, as they counteract the legality of the right of the people to unseat their own government.
Quizo69
Visceral Psyche Films
The zionists colonised the place in total disregard of the wishes & interests of the vast majority of people that were actually living.
Remember there was no conflict between Palestine's (native shephardic) Jews & the rest of the population there. Then Zionists atarted immigrating en masse with thoughts of colonisation & displacement on their mind (they weren't immigrating into a 95+% Arab region to learn Arab & intigrate into Arab communities) & in so doing created a new sectarian conflict that never existed till zionism raised its ugly head
In the spring and summer of 2001 I often visited www.taleban.com for their version of the truth. In July it was hacked. After 2001/09/11 it disappeared. The FBI says there are Al-Queda web sites, but I can't find them. During the Vietnam war we found out how important it is to listen to "the enemy". So I've bookmarked http://www.kahane.org/home.htm just because, someday, I might want to hear their side of the story. I also check http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage for their views.
Also, please read "World: Asia-Pacific China backs embassy protests". The Chinese fully supported the Serbians in their campaign of terror. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) under American command attempted to stop the slaughter by knocking out Serbian military units. NATO deliberately attempted to avoid hitting civilian targets in Serbia, but some bombs accidentally hit the Chinese embassy.
Shortly thereafter, the Chinese in both China and outside China erupted into ugly, violent protests. The Chinese threw stones and other projectiles at the American embassy in China. The Chinese also attacked some Americans. " The residence of the US Consul General in the south-western city of Chengdu was stormed and partially burned ."
Of course there were demonstrations after the US bombed the Chinese Embassy. That's got nothing to do with Serbia or Kosovo. It's because the US killed Chinese people. (How many people wearing turbans were beaten up or killed after September 11th?)
It's very strange for me to seem to defend China, as I loathe the central government, but one more time: China is not a democracy. Whatever policy the government followed, whoever they supported in Yugoslavia, the "Chinese people" as whole had no opinion, knowledge or interest in it.
The Chinese themselves murdered at 100,000 Tibetans, yet the Chinese in Hong Kong and elsewhere are absolutely silent. No protests. Nothing. Nada. The education system in Hong Kong teaches children that Tibet is an integral part of mainland China while the Chinese arrest, torture, and kill Tibetan nuns.
It is very clear that the Hong Kongers support Beijing. According to a CNN/Time poll, more than 60% of the Hong Kongers supported placing Hong Kong under the rule of Beijing.
What does Beijing support? It supported both Pol Pot and the Serbian military that attempted to commit mass murder in Kosovo.
"We are the president"
-Hillary Rodham-Clinton
"If the president ever lied to the American people, I think he should resign"
-William Jefferson Clinton
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."
-William Jefferson Clinton
"The Constitution is a radical document... it is the job of the government to rein in people's rights."
-William Jefferon Clinton
Tell us all again who is the facist?
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Ahh the old, its too hard so lets ignore it and hope it goes away trick.
Lets see they tried that one with North Korea as well and look how well that worked. The Arab-Israeli conflict is not going to be solved by the world turning their backs on it. Instead what we need is actual leadership, both from the parties themselves and the international community. Both Arafat and Sharron need to be replaced by people who are willing to talk about peace instead of the nationalistic chest thumping that passes as negotiations at the moment.
...maybe this means the current administration isn't as blindly pro-Israel as a lot of people have been led to believe?!
No, of course not. The current administration is one-dimensionally eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil; how could they do something like this?
what about putting CIA's website on teh list :o
"By All Available Means"
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/17306
Its interesting that Kahane websites are considered terrorist but front groups which funnel money to them are not. See here.
These are a few more example of the many web-site supporting terror around the world.
PLO - www.nad-plo.org
Fertile Cresent - leb.net/fchp
SinnFein (IRA) - sinnfein.ie
Hizbollah - www.hizbollah.org
(NB. These are purposely not links so as not to aid them through google wacking)
would be on that list if this were my world.
-- I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous