I remember working at Target in my high school/early college days (about 7 years ago). They had a couple big OS/2 boxes for something or other. Only thing they let us do was print out the sale signs and pricing tickets (I was a shelf monkey), but I think they took care of the POS stuff too.
Can't have the lifetime costs built into everything - that would make just about everything price-prohibitive.
It might at first, but it would also give manufacturers an incentive to create more friendly or reusable products and materials. This would allow them to charge less and gain market share. Check out Cradle to Cradle (which was reviewed on/. a few months back). It talks about this topic in depth.
As another poster noted, you pay for it one way or another whether in up-front monetary cost or in destroyed environment and depleted natural resources.
I suppose you believe that if my wheel falls off my car I should call the transportation board to remove everyone's wheels? I should either fix my car or have someone else fix it for me, but crippling everyone else is not a good solution.
Installing Debian (or Gentoo) is just too damn confusing.
I've installed Gentoo on three boxes in the last couple of weeks and I didn't find the install confusing at all. It is a bit tedious, but their instructions are extremely easy to follow. The only problem I had was installing 1.4rc1 to my laptop (bug with PCMCIA support) which was easily worked around by just booting from the 1.2 CD, doing the prelim work with partitions, et al, and just dropping in the 1.4 disc when you get to the bootstrapping step.
The only part I dislike is the whole USE config. It's screaming for some GUI checkbox-type interface. I ended up having to go to a working machine, write down all the flags I wanted on posties (and there are a lot) and type them in on the box I'm setting up. yuck
If you run/. in light mode, you don't even notice the pics are gone. Plus you're saving Taco & Co. some bandwidth to assuage your guilt about denying them ad revenue:)
If the gpg folks had any sense they would release an LGPL library version of it. The reasons for not releasing it as a lib (even a GPL one) in their faq are just plain wrong.
Perhaps this is what you're looking for? Maybe not. Not sure on the license or details because I'm lazy:)
What I'm waiting for is someone to look at making a hybrid where the engine is always on, always producing power, but the generator is producing a bit more power than the thing normally will need and charging a capacitor stack rather than batteries. That gives you acceleration (for awhile) but is much lighter and cheaper than batteries and since the engine is operating efficiently all the time, and requires quite a bit less power than if it were producing motive power directly (eg a few hundred cc ought to do a pretty good job) it should still be more efficient.
Agreed. I've been throwing around napkin designs in my head about applying this general design to a tractor-trailer setup. A high-efficiency diesel generator charging a cap or battery bank. Eletric motors offer peak torque from a standstill which would likely appeal to truckers, plus no maze of gears to row through. Regen braking would be nice for traversing mountainous routes. Probably quieter overall too. Why hasn't anyone done this yet?
This is the same logic factories use to justify dumping their shit in the river. Dumping it is free. It doesn't hurt the bottom line so what more justification do we need? The problem is that everyone else (i.e. us) picks up the tab in the form of cleanup costs, a degraded environment for us to live in, degraded natural resources for future use, etc. Spam is very similar (well, except for the last point).
We should treat spammers like polluters, using our resources and degrading our environment without our permission and without cost to them. Somehow it has to be made not profitable for them to spew forth their garbage to hock their penis pumps. Easier said than done, but bounties are an interesting approach.
Ok, I know you're just trolling, but for all of those folks out there for whom this is your subconscious knee-jerk reaction, go out and pick up this book: Next of Kin written by Roger Fouts, one of the bigwigs at the above mentioned chimp rescue squad. Even if you aren't into that type of thing it's a fun read and I guarantee you'll come away with a different perspective on chimps (and animal testing labs).
Note that there is no part of the proposed laws that say "we won't use Windows as our OS", only that it won't be used if it's closed. Microsoft is perfectly able to open up the source and sell/give it to any governmental entity enacting such a policy.
I'm a poor college student, so I have to download them... [snip] The car dealer won't give you a free car...Your electricity company won't keep your lights on if you don't pay the bill. The gas station won't give you a free tank of gas.
Now if I go to the gas station and get some gas, I give the gas station guy $5, he gives me $5 worth of his gas. After all is said and done he has $5 and less gas. That's $5 of gas he could have sold to someone else, but he sold it to me. I have -$5 and more gas. Same with the car dealer, $xx,000 for one car. They have $xx,000 and one fewer car, I have the car but am down the cash. Same with electricity, although not as easily measured.
Your Windows analogy is the only one that applies to the current subject.
So how exactly does these others equate with downloading music? I'm not heading down to Sam Goody and five-fingering cds costing the store money. It's not as if I'm stealing a CD that Colombia or Sony cannot sell after that. I'm simply getting a bunch o bits for effectively no cost from someone else.
What if the grocery store had a magic machine that made groceries to stock it for no cost except the initial outlay and maintenance. The customers had to pay whatever rate the grocery store decided for items which are often exorbitant.
One day people start building their own food machines that make food that's almost as good as fresh grown. They are, for all intents and purposes, freely available, certainly cheaper than paying for food at your local grocery store. The grocery chains start to complain to the government saying these machines are cutting into their profits. Small independant farmers don't really care since they can still sell in small quantities at farmers' markets and cooperating stores. Would you care if the big store lost money? Should you care?
Anyway, there are holes in my analogy as well, but the main thrust is that it doesn't really cost the music company directly if I download a song, only if I don't buy something. The 2 are not exclusive, as this informal study seems to indicate.
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heh, the best part is that there are more comments each time it's reposted.
I must be just as twisted as you because that's the very first thing I thought.
You mean they can see my Kenny G. pr0n screensaver?!?!?!?
I hope Kenny's just playing background music...
thanks for the laugh... I'm still trying to type
I remember working at Target in my high school/early college days (about 7 years ago). They had a couple big OS/2 boxes for something or other. Only thing they let us do was print out the sale signs and pricing tickets (I was a shelf monkey), but I think they took care of the POS stuff too.
This is another dup, but I'll be nice since it was almost a year ago (and the price seems to have dropped).
It might at first, but it would also give manufacturers an incentive to create more friendly or reusable products and materials. This would allow them to charge less and gain market share. Check out Cradle to Cradle (which was reviewed on
As another poster noted, you pay for it one way or another whether in up-front monetary cost or in destroyed environment and depleted natural resources.
I suppose you believe that if my wheel falls off my car I should call the transportation board to remove everyone's wheels? I should either fix my car or have someone else fix it for me, but crippling everyone else is not a good solution.
I've installed Gentoo on three boxes in the last couple of weeks and I didn't find the install confusing at all. It is a bit tedious, but their instructions are extremely easy to follow. The only problem I had was installing 1.4rc1 to my laptop (bug with PCMCIA support) which was easily worked around by just booting from the 1.2 CD, doing the prelim work with partitions, et al, and just dropping in the 1.4 disc when you get to the bootstrapping step.
The only part I dislike is the whole USE config. It's screaming for some GUI checkbox-type interface. I ended up having to go to a working machine, write down all the flags I wanted on posties (and there are a lot) and type them in on the box I'm setting up. yuck
mmmmm... network-accessible Catherine Bell security cams
If you run /. in light mode, you don't even notice the pics are gone. Plus you're saving Taco & Co. some bandwidth to assuage your guilt about denying them ad revenue :)
Yeah, TiVo doesn't have any of those mixed capitalization problems
You can do anything through the hole in the sheet.
what's wrong with keyserver.net? I'm not sure if they still allow direct client access or if you have to do some manual clipboarding.
Perhaps this is what you're looking for? Maybe not. Not sure on the license or details because I'm lazy
Agreed. I've been throwing around napkin designs in my head about applying this general design to a tractor-trailer setup. A high-efficiency diesel generator charging a cap or battery bank. Eletric motors offer peak torque from a standstill which would likely appeal to truckers, plus no maze of gears to row through. Regen braking would be nice for traversing mountainous routes. Probably quieter overall too. Why hasn't anyone done this yet?
fair enough, I'll retract my scarlet T
This is the same logic factories use to justify dumping their shit in the river. Dumping it is free. It doesn't hurt the bottom line so what more justification do we need? The problem is that everyone else (i.e. us) picks up the tab in the form of cleanup costs, a degraded environment for us to live in, degraded natural resources for future use, etc. Spam is very similar (well, except for the last point).
We should treat spammers like polluters, using our resources and degrading our environment without our permission and without cost to them. Somehow it has to be made not profitable for them to spew forth their garbage to hock their penis pumps. Easier said than done, but bounties are an interesting approach.
Ok, I know you're just trolling, but for all of those folks out there for whom this is your subconscious knee-jerk reaction, go out and pick up this book: Next of Kin written by Roger Fouts, one of the bigwigs at the above mentioned chimp rescue squad. Even if you aren't into that type of thing it's a fun read and I guarantee you'll come away with a different perspective on chimps (and animal testing labs).
Note that there is no part of the proposed laws that say "we won't use Windows as our OS", only that it won't be used if it's closed. Microsoft is perfectly able to open up the source and sell/give it to any governmental entity enacting such a policy.
Presumably by mentioning 'his book' you're talking about _Applied_Cryptography_, but he's written several other books too.
Well, then you should take off your suit and listen to them!
Your Windows analogy is the only one that applies to the current subject.
So how exactly does these others equate with downloading music? I'm not heading down to Sam Goody and five-fingering cds costing the store money. It's not as if I'm stealing a CD that Colombia or Sony cannot sell after that. I'm simply getting a bunch o bits for effectively no cost from someone else.
What if the grocery store had a magic machine that made groceries to stock it for no cost except the initial outlay and maintenance. The customers had to pay whatever rate the grocery store decided for items which are often exorbitant.
One day people start building their own food machines that make food that's almost as good as fresh grown. They are, for all intents and purposes, freely available, certainly cheaper than paying for food at your local grocery store. The grocery chains start to complain to the government saying these machines are cutting into their profits. Small independant farmers don't really care since they can still sell in small quantities at farmers' markets and cooperating stores. Would you care if the big store lost money? Should you care?
Anyway, there are holes in my analogy as well, but the main thrust is that it doesn't really cost the music company directly if I download a song, only if I don't buy something. The 2 are not exclusive, as this informal study seems to indicate.
BUT, does it match the red/blue color scheme of your dash lights?
Jesus, for $1950 I'll buy my own stack of iPods and take them apart myself.