I happily saw none of the ones listed. Some didn't even dawn on me until they were pointed out.
So I'm going to enjoy my ignorance on the subject...if I was engrossed in the flick enough to not catch these things, I think Raimi did a pretty good job.
I'm a fan of Spider-man, and I'm a fan of Sam Raimi (mostly. "For Love of the Game" is still a total mystery to me.) I spent most of the movie alternating between seeing the story told and the way Raimi did it.
I highly recommend that anyone that isn't familiar with his style go off and rent Darkman and compare it with either of the Spider-man flicks. You'll see his fingerprints all over it.
-transiit (off to go check to see if these moviemistakes goons ever reviewed any of the Evil Dead series)
An application linked to say, libc5 wouldn't be asking for libc.so.6 (glibc). It'd be asking for libc.so.5, which for a system-wide thing would've ended up in ld.so.conf, not the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Use the latter only for when you need to do special tricks like user-level compatibility stuff (i.e., root (presumably, not you for this example) doesn't want to install a bunch of old libraries system-wide, so you use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to let the loader know where the extra stuff lives, perhaps/home/billygates/lib)
It's not one library for the whole system.
It doesn't just work in Windows. It took them years to get where *nix has been. DLL hell was a phrase coined for them.
I am a linux user. I prefer linux on the desktop. I can't speak for others, and I won't even try.
But don't mistake "what you're used to" to "only one capable"
See all them numbers?
This isn't a feature of the future....been around for quite some time.
For any program that doesn't hang well with latter-day libraries, just make a quick shell script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point where you've got the older versions stashed away before starting the app. Things dependent on all sorts of hoary old stuff can always be done in a chroot'ed old-school environment, though it'd probably be overkill.
-transiit
However, if I read the grandparent post correctly, the point was that Tanenbaum and the hired gun (too lazy to look up his name. Sorry, sir.) both said there was nothing substantial shared between Minix and Linux. And they said so before the Ken Brown/AdTI PR machine ramped up.
While you are correct that a number of individuals-in-the-know did try to make the information known, the grandparent post stands correct as far as the timeline is concerned.
If I had to take a guess, this wasn't a milk+acid+heat=curdled milk situation. This was cream + acid + heat. Yeah, it's still dairy, but if you don't believe that the added fat is going to alter the way the proteins are going to interact once the acid denatures them, then you might as well use skim milk for all your cooking.
Rather than consistently returning with accusations, perhaps it's time you countered with substance. "That's what I thought:P", isn't going to be enough to convince me of anything. Telling me that I'm lacking in maturity because I called you on it won't do either.
You didn't answer my question, even though you did quote it. Respect is earned. "Excellent" karma isn't a significant landmark, even I've got that, having numerous -1 comments for less-than-glowing comments about Mac OS X that I thought were honest, though they were labeled as "Troll".
If you want to raise this up a level, go back to my earlier post. Let's review:
Due to legacy OEM agreements that dicate pre-loading of only Windows in many cases, is there anything that sets Linux off-par as far as acquisition goes (i.e., downloading ISOs or purchasing media?)
Is digging up drivers for obscure devices much worse than Windows or Mac OS? (If obscure seems like a loaded word, can you guarantee drivers for every device across multiple versions for your favorite platform?)
Are.conf files any worse than the registry?
So if you really care, answer the questions this time. We're far enough out of moderator attention span that there's no longer anything to prove to anyone but each other or the search engines.
You: Well if you want to download several install CDs, try to hunt down drivers, and edit a bunch of.CONF files, yeah you could do that.
Some other guy: You mean like everyone else does? Interesting concept
You: You'll notice that 'everyone' isn't a whole hell of a lot of people
So do we have some context, now? You're latching on to arguments that are years old.
Download some install CDs? Big deal. The alternative is to go buy some install CDs or get the preloaded distribution that comes on these systems. How is this a flaw? You have to acquire the OS. Short of mailing everyone and their dog CDs, I don't see an issue here.
Try to hunt down drivers? Recall that nearly all hardware support comes from the kernel or X. Those generally are going to come with whatever distribution you use. Yes, there are some cases where some hardware is better supported by binary drivers that have to be fetched separately, but I hardly see it as better or worse than any other operating system choice out there.
Edit a bunch of conf files? If only it could be that way. Both the gnome and kde projects are trying so hard to get away from that that we're already losing much of the flexibility that got them where they are today. Point and drool all over the place. I like conf files. Beats a binary registry populated with even less documented values, or a GUI that changes everything around every other version.
But hey, it's all subjective. You weren't pointing out flaws in what I replied to, though. You were making a snide comment about how few people run linux. Hardly constructive criticism, by my reading.
You spend so much time denouncing Linux. Why is this?
Having read through your comment history, you make it very clear that you're pretty die-hard when it comes to windows (minus some dabbling in linux). So what do you care?
Or is this the same mindset that makes all usenet windows-advocacy groups full of linux advocates and all linux-advocacy groups full of windows advocates?
Are you so egomaniacal to think that you're turning people away from the evil path, or can you just not resist the urge to throw in your opinion no matter what? (I'm guessing from your 6000+ comments, it's the latter)
Stop believing so strongly in perimeter-level security alone. If your nice router or outdated system gets compromised, it's always going to be better to have a secondary line of defense.
There are good practices for managing your security risks. The rule of thumb is that you can never be too paranoid.
odd. I thought it was just a big tourist trap built around the VORTEX.
I was there in november. Didn't strike me as anything special. You neglect to mention the number of hotels and timeshares there. That also says quite a lot about a town.
I don't recall any laws passed requiring a nationwide change away from the name "french fries"
Although I did see a lot of news coverage when the congressional cafeteria made such a change.
Amazing how the television news (which exists primarily for ratings (in the name of luring in more advertising dollars)) sometimes self-propogates the news stories. Oh, wait....it isn't. It's surprising that people still fall for it.
Of course, I also changed away from the same news channel this morning (before falling asleep) because it looked like they were going to spend the next three hours covering footage of the alleged Brittany Spears wedding. Fair and balanced.
Everybody's got an agenda. Some take less to see through (such as those that think the patriotic duty is to remove the french from fries) Even so, I still find it hard to believe that there's any justification to avoid debian or it's derivatives just because they use a name from a disney-distributed flick, at least not when there's more reasonable things to complain about.
Yeah. I hear you. The reason I stay away from microsoft is because they name so much stuff after ski slopes, and after a horrible skiing accident when I was younger, I couldn't possibly ever use their operating system because it might bring back the trauma.
Or could it be that Bruce Perens used to work for Pixar?
Or could it be that naming revisions after Toy Story characters (it isn't a disney film, it's a pixar film. disney just handles distribution) worked out as a good way to refer to the versions?
Grow up. It's just a naming scheme. Do you boycott coca-cola products because they sometimes do cross-promotions with disney?
nitpick away, but when multiple standards bodies have varying, incompatible standards, with no clear concensus of the rest of the world settling on one or another, I'd say there isn't a de facto standard. (specifically, a de facto standard amongst standards.)
This is generally good advice: stick to the standard protocols.
Note that VoIP (which is what's being asked about, even under the moniker "Voice Chat") does still have a multitude though: H.323/Q.931 is one (h.323 is mostly encoding, q.931 is mostly signalling. probably the most like the standard telco ss7 stack, but then it is an ITU standard), SIP (session initiation protocol) is another. MegaCo is another. There's more.
SIP and H.323 seem to be the big ones right now, although there's no de facto standard going yet. YMMV.
I'm against this, as I'm against the vouchers. I got my claim form in the mail the other day, and the choices it gave were basically "Accept the settlement, write an objection to the court, attend a hearing to state your objection in person, or do nothing (and thus waive all further rights)".
As these vouchers represent accepting the settlement, donating them to a worthy cause doesn't satisfy my problems with the settlement, namely that they are to be redeemed for hardware (much of which comes bundled with more Microsoft products).
I can't say I agree with an antitrust remedy that increases the sales of the monopoly that is being punished.
Works like a charm. Note that it not only cleans up the machines at the end of each day, it will also allow you to patch your master image and push that out to the network. (even a one-day lag is still faster than going from machine to machine patching or ghosting)
Watch out for oddities such as the Daylight to Standard time switch, though.
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The Quarterdeck Extended Memory Manager?
Or are you thinking Desqview circa 1985?
Doesn't quite meet the "at least a decade" thing that was mentioned.
I'm confused.
The PC had a virtual desktop in 1981?
Perhaps you could be a bit more specific?
-transiit
I happily saw none of the ones listed. Some didn't even dawn on me until they were pointed out.
So I'm going to enjoy my ignorance on the subject...if I was engrossed in the flick enough to not catch these things, I think Raimi did a pretty good job.
I'm a fan of Spider-man, and I'm a fan of Sam Raimi (mostly. "For Love of the Game" is still a total mystery to me.) I spent most of the movie alternating between seeing the story told and the way Raimi did it.
I highly recommend that anyone that isn't familiar with his style go off and rent Darkman and compare it with either of the Spider-man flicks. You'll see his fingerprints all over it.
-transiit (off to go check to see if these moviemistakes goons ever reviewed any of the Evil Dead series)
An application linked to say, libc5 wouldn't be asking for libc.so.6 (glibc). It'd be asking for libc.so.5, which for a system-wide thing would've ended up in ld.so.conf, not the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Use the latter only for when you need to do special tricks like user-level compatibility stuff (i.e., root (presumably, not you for this example) doesn't want to install a bunch of old libraries system-wide, so you use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to let the loader know where the extra stuff lives, perhaps /home/billygates/lib)
It's not one library for the whole system.
It doesn't just work in Windows. It took them years to get where *nix has been. DLL hell was a phrase coined for them.
I am a linux user. I prefer linux on the desktop. I can't speak for others, and I won't even try.
But don't mistake "what you're used to" to "only one capable"
-transiit
This isn't a feature of the future....been around for quite some time.
For any program that doesn't hang well with latter-day libraries, just make a quick shell script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point where you've got the older versions stashed away before starting the app. Things dependent on all sorts of hoary old stuff can always be done in a chroot'ed old-school environment, though it'd probably be overkill.
-transiit
Yes, those people told him so.
However, if I read the grandparent post correctly, the point was that Tanenbaum and the hired gun (too lazy to look up his name. Sorry, sir.) both said there was nothing substantial shared between Minix and Linux. And they said so before the Ken Brown/AdTI PR machine ramped up.
While you are correct that a number of individuals-in-the-know did try to make the information known, the grandparent post stands correct as far as the timeline is concerned.
-transiit
If I had to take a guess, this wasn't a milk+acid+heat=curdled milk situation. This was cream + acid + heat. Yeah, it's still dairy, but if you don't believe that the added fat is going to alter the way the proteins are going to interact once the acid denatures them, then you might as well use skim milk for all your cooking.
And yes, I watch good eats. And I like it.
-transiit
Rather than consistently returning with accusations, perhaps it's time you countered with substance. "That's what I thought :P", isn't going to be enough to convince me of anything. Telling me that I'm lacking in maturity because I called you on it won't do either.
.conf files any worse than the registry?
You didn't answer my question, even though you did quote it. Respect is earned. "Excellent" karma isn't a significant landmark, even I've got that, having numerous -1 comments for less-than-glowing comments about Mac OS X that I thought were honest, though they were labeled as "Troll".
If you want to raise this up a level, go back to my earlier post. Let's review:
Due to legacy OEM agreements that dicate pre-loading of only Windows in many cases, is there anything that sets Linux off-par as far as acquisition goes (i.e., downloading ISOs or purchasing media?)
Is digging up drivers for obscure devices much worse than Windows or Mac OS? (If obscure seems like a loaded word, can you guarantee drivers for every device across multiple versions for your favorite platform?)
Are
So if you really care, answer the questions this time. We're far enough out of moderator attention span that there's no longer anything to prove to anyone but each other or the search engines.
-transiit
You're shitting me, right?
:P" as anything other than "Neener, neener, neener."
Is there any possible way to explain "That's what I thought
It's immature and stupid, especially considering that you waited a few days (well past the average response time) to try to get in that parting shot.
-transiit
Neal Stephenson can't hold a candle to Stephen Bury. Now there's a writer
-transiit
Well, you've successfully cemented my opinion that you are here to stir up controversy, rather than adding anything of value.
Thanks for removing all doubt.
-transiit
I'm pointing out Linux has flaws.
.CONF files, yeah you could do that.
No, you aren't. Let's go back.
You: Well if you want to download several install CDs, try to hunt down drivers, and edit a bunch of
Some other guy: You mean like everyone else does? Interesting concept
You: You'll notice that 'everyone' isn't a whole hell of a lot of people
So do we have some context, now? You're latching on to arguments that are years old.
Download some install CDs? Big deal. The alternative is to go buy some install CDs or get the preloaded distribution that comes on these systems. How is this a flaw? You have to acquire the OS. Short of mailing everyone and their dog CDs, I don't see an issue here.
Try to hunt down drivers? Recall that nearly all hardware support comes from the kernel or X. Those generally are going to come with whatever distribution you use. Yes, there are some cases where some hardware is better supported by binary drivers that have to be fetched separately, but I hardly see it as better or worse than any other operating system choice out there.
Edit a bunch of conf files? If only it could be that way. Both the gnome and kde projects are trying so hard to get away from that that we're already losing much of the flexibility that got them where they are today. Point and drool all over the place. I like conf files. Beats a binary registry populated with even less documented values, or a GUI that changes everything around every other version.
But hey, it's all subjective. You weren't pointing out flaws in what I replied to, though. You were making a snide comment about how few people run linux. Hardly constructive criticism, by my reading.
-transiit
You spend so much time denouncing Linux. Why is this?
Having read through your comment history, you make it very clear that you're pretty die-hard when it comes to windows (minus some dabbling in linux). So what do you care?
Or is this the same mindset that makes all usenet windows-advocacy groups full of linux advocates and all linux-advocacy groups full of windows advocates?
Are you so egomaniacal to think that you're turning people away from the evil path, or can you just not resist the urge to throw in your opinion no matter what? (I'm guessing from your 6000+ comments, it's the latter)
Bad idea. Take both.
Stop believing so strongly in perimeter-level security alone. If your nice router or outdated system gets compromised, it's always going to be better to have a secondary line of defense.
There are good practices for managing your security risks. The rule of thumb is that you can never be too paranoid.
-transiit
odd. I thought it was just a big tourist trap built around the VORTEX.
I was there in november. Didn't strike me as anything special. You neglect to mention the number of hotels and timeshares there. That also says quite a lot about a town.
-transiit
if recursion is the only way to answer my question, than I think I've proved that point.
I don't recall any laws passed requiring a nationwide change away from the name "french fries"
Although I did see a lot of news coverage when the congressional cafeteria made such a change.
Amazing how the television news (which exists primarily for ratings (in the name of luring in more advertising dollars)) sometimes self-propogates the news stories. Oh, wait....it isn't. It's surprising that people still fall for it.
Of course, I also changed away from the same news channel this morning (before falling asleep) because it looked like they were going to spend the next three hours covering footage of the alleged Brittany Spears wedding. Fair and balanced.
Everybody's got an agenda. Some take less to see through (such as those that think the patriotic duty is to remove the french from fries) Even so, I still find it hard to believe that there's any justification to avoid debian or it's derivatives just because they use a name from a disney-distributed flick, at least not when there's more reasonable things to complain about.
-transiit
Hey, I like iraq fries.
Or were you referring to Turkey?
-transiit
(please cite for me any occassion when I ever used the term 'freedom fries')
Yeah. I hear you. The reason I stay away from microsoft is because they name so much stuff after ski slopes, and after a horrible skiing accident when I was younger, I couldn't possibly ever use their operating system because it might bring back the trauma.
Or could it be that Bruce Perens used to work for Pixar?
Or could it be that naming revisions after Toy Story characters (it isn't a disney film, it's a pixar film. disney just handles distribution) worked out as a good way to refer to the versions?
Grow up. It's just a naming scheme. Do you boycott coca-cola products because they sometimes do cross-promotions with disney?
-transiit
nitpick away, but when multiple standards bodies have varying, incompatible standards, with no clear concensus of the rest of the world settling on one or another, I'd say there isn't a de facto standard. (specifically, a de facto standard amongst standards.)
-transiit
This is generally good advice: stick to the standard protocols.
Note that VoIP (which is what's being asked about, even under the moniker "Voice Chat") does still have a multitude though: H.323/Q.931 is one (h.323 is mostly encoding, q.931 is mostly signalling. probably the most like the standard telco ss7 stack, but then it is an ITU standard), SIP (session initiation protocol) is another. MegaCo is another. There's more.
SIP and H.323 seem to be the big ones right now, although there's no de facto standard going yet. YMMV.
-transiit
Or Windows Messenger, which is SIP.
Or NetMeeting, which is H.323/Q.931
Both come with Windows.
Or how about Gnomemeeting (H.323/Q.931), Kphone (SIP) or Linphone (SIP) for *nix?
This press release sounds like such a non-event.
-transiit
I'm against this, as I'm against the vouchers. I got my claim form in the mail the other day, and the choices it gave were basically "Accept the settlement, write an objection to the court, attend a hearing to state your objection in person, or do nothing (and thus waive all further rights)".
As these vouchers represent accepting the settlement, donating them to a worthy cause doesn't satisfy my problems with the settlement, namely that they are to be redeemed for hardware (much of which comes bundled with more Microsoft products).
I can't say I agree with an antitrust remedy that increases the sales of the monopoly that is being punished.
-transiit
I disagree that it's about saving your best work for when you're getting paid.
I think it has to do more with doing what they want, in their style, on their schedule, or they stop paying you.
-transiit
I helped a guy out set up this exact FAT32 + rsync setup.
We used Smart Boot Manager and set up scheduled reboots.
Works like a charm. Note that it not only cleans up the machines at the end of each day, it will also allow you to patch your master image and push that out to the network. (even a one-day lag is still faster than going from machine to machine patching or ghosting)
Watch out for oddities such as the Daylight to Standard time switch, though.
-transiit