That issue was fixed in 9.10. The MySQL daemon wasn't fully converted over to Upstart.
I'm currently still seeing it in 10.04LTS, after doing something very simple and reasonable that selinux would have been able to handle with no problem. So the "solution" of apparmor being easier still didn't solve anything - I just lost the power of Selinux, and traded it for something that hangs updates. Because hey, after all, if I'm installing mysql-server then OBVIOUSLY i want it to start during the install process, right? And replacing init with Upstart, when it is no where near ready for production use even now several releases later, was a bad move. Mysql is a very basic thing to want to have working on a average, run-of-the-mill, lowend server; ie, the Ubuntu Server target audience. What sort of testing occurred?
And it was also just an example. Maybe you can explain why this bug still exists? Does Canonical think that using ldaps to auth a machine is unimportant? And that's as a *client*, so that means Ubuntu can't be used as a workstation OS where ldaps is in use, unless you do something like I suggested in comment #91. This is the sort of thing that happens when people do feature updates downstream without submitting upstream; Canonical has intentionally fostered a culture of people not doing the right thing (kudos for you for not being among them) with code changes, and as a result has created their own divergent forks that they now have to continuously spend time remerging with their proprietary changes. RedHat does a feature freeze with only bug updates per release; that's *reasonable* because it creates a reliable basis for people to develop upon. How much do they change basic things like apache, mysql, etc - without submitting things upstream? Almost none at all.
I could go on. The point is merely that Shuttleworth is whining about a problem he created; people aren't being unfair to him. He tried to change too much, had too big an ego, and that might have worked anyway (like it does for many others in the OSS community)...if so many basic things weren't broken. Wanting a laptop to start faster (hence Upstart) is no reason to break servers. Solutions should solve the problems they're aimed to; in many cases with Ubuntu tools, the "solution" mainly just makes new problems.
But, they can still turn it around. They do have a large base, after all...and they did hop on the Cloud sooner than others, so they've got a head start there.
I don't keep on using Ubuntu just because their leaflets and CDs are shinier. I keep using it because it has less hassles, less fanbois and is more usable.
You're funny.
Oh and btw, pretty much no major linux distro takes a weekend to install, or get things working on. Here's a trick though - follow these steps:
apt-get install postfix
apt-get remove postfix
rm -rf/etc/postfix
apt-get install postfix
Tell me how that turns out for ya. Oh, and when anything at all goes amiss, and stupid farking Upstart just...hangs...when attempting to do something. Why is it that when I do a ctrl-C when "start mysql" hangs, Upstart thinks mysql is now running? That's a fun question. And if apparmor was necessary because selinux was just so gosh darn hard, why is it that it randomly stops working and causes upstart jobs to hang?
When I build a machine from scratch, or use anything other than Ubuntu, I don't have these problems. Then there's the minor detail that Ubuntu doesn't submit upstream patches to things; they just change stuff, and put the source on their own tree. Oh, I could go on...but point is, Shuttleworth spent a lot of money to get to do things *his* way, to hell with what was working better already. He disrespects the OSS culture, and now comes whining about people turning on him. Well waaah, maybe he should have actually attempted to become part of the OSS community, instead of making his own. I gave away Ubuntu CDs at public LUG meetings years ago, it's not like I didn't give him a shot.
Dueling peer-reviewed journal articles, followed by a review by an informed electorate.
So...you'd have people debate in writing. You've just traded those skilled at obfuscating while speaking for those skilled at obfuscating while writing.
Calling it "dueling" doesn't change the fact that you're describing a method of *debate*.
ps - both verbal and written debate is pretty much the only method for sharing and distributing the "truth" of a matter. The only alternative is to have a person suddenly be blessed with a brilliant insight, and then divulge the insight to everyone else, who just nod and accept it as truth without examining it themselves. Wow, that sounds like an enlightened Utopia you're envisioning...
Really, it sounds more like you're not quick on your feet while speaking. That's fine, my wife isn't either, and she's a successful (ie, published in highly respected journals) scientist. Debate via writing isn't somehow more pure than debate via speaking, however; it's just another method.
Is there a reasonable chance that Perl 6 will regain the ground it lost to those competitors when it languished under Larry Wall's negligent stewardship?
err...so, riddle me how the person who created it was negligent? If the community wanted X to happen, it was all open. You could, at the very least, specify that he was a bit lax in the last several years...the word "recently" might make sense before "negligent" there.
No important debate in the history of the world has ever thought it was changing the truth of a matter; that's not the point of a debate. The point of a debate is to find the truth of a matter.
Some are successful in a debate because they are armed with rational, reasoned points and the ability to articulate them. Others are successful because they are charismatic and are great at obfuscating the truth. Surely you don't want people to just stop debating altogether however, just because some people are slick talkers? There are many problems with our recent political system, but lack of debate isn't on the list. Things aren't debated at all, anymore.
err...well, that works for anyone who doesn't have a family...
My wife is getting another doctorate right now. Are you suggesting I spend a year without my wife? Can my dog come, or is she staying with my wife? Great, an oceanliner filled with overweight, balding, bearded men (as OSS devs stereotypically are)...that sounds like an amazing time. I have my own goals in life, and a year-long ocean cruise doesn't fit in those plans.
While almost all OSS devs would have a relatively affordable buyout price, you'd get very very few mid and high-profile devs with the offer of leaving their homes and family for a year. A month maybe, but...not a year.
that is so, so easy for a person not being given an offer to say. If someone came up to you tomorrow and said they wanted you to continue doing what you're doing now, but just let your check be signed by Oracle instead, and your salary would be $500k...you'd say no?
It would take people of the RMS variety to actually do such a thing, and we really don't have that many of those. The ones we have, we make fun of.
I live in a reasonably well off area of San Diego (Solana Beach) and I have had horrible reception the entire time I've had my iphone. I don't live anywhere near downtown, so it's not like "network saturation" should really be an excuse...there are mountains, I guess, but other people's phones work fine. Mine doesn't work at all.
PS - I've had my phone replaced 3 times for reception issues. Of the people I work with in "downtown" Solana Beach (a design area, street called Cedros) 12 of them have iphones, and only 1 of those 12 can use their iphone in this area. For the rest of us, a call will just be static, if it even goes out at all.
So yeah, guess it depends on where you live...I'm not going to make a decision on where I'll live based on cellphone coverage, though.
well maybe not now, when it's "worth" so much, but back then when he was just a thieving punk kid with no money the relationship was beneficial to him. Contracts don't need to be written by lawyers to be legally binding.
I've never seen anybody talk so much that they actually suffocate
I have. I was, at the same time, happy and sad; happy that the noise mercifully stopped, sad that my wife was now too depressed (about her mom) to do anything for a while. Oh well, that's what Tilted Kilt is for, right?
I have absolutely no idea what possessed me to turn this in to a mother-in-law joke...
true, but that again means mud merely facilitates the mitigation of a problem, and not that rolling in mud is done for the purpose of mud-rolling in and of itself. Which you seem to be suggesting, but I'm just trying (for whatever reason) to make clear.
you're mentioning something that you're then not even considering; there's another factor in play here. Remember, correlation does not equal causation;)
The hogs that had mud to roll around in were then able to move about within their pen without being affected much by the sun. They'd merely need to roll around in the mud again once they started getting hot.
The other hogs had to sit in one particular area, not moving around, otherwise they got hot.
It's the ability to be mobile that matters in this case. I propose that if you will see the pattern emerge if you create 2 new sample groups. For the second set, put them both in the shade. In one shade group, allow them just enough room to roll around in mud, but make that as little room as is necessary for that action. In the other group, allow them no mud at all, yet give them a large pen. At this point you'll see more clearly that "able to move around" is what is actually causing the increased happiness (or decreased depression...) and that for those hogs in the sun, the mud merely facilitates this. Given their druthers (ie, in a shade where they don't need to get muddy) they'd actually prefer to be clean.
That could be tested with a 5th group that has a pen 4 times larger than normal, half in the mud, half dry, half in the sun, half in the shade, such that it makes quarters. I suspect you'll tend to find the hogs in the shaded, dry area...which will in the end be the more accurate test of what they prefer;)
PS - if you had any hogs at all that "radiate[d] contentment" then wow - that's major, considering the extreme prevalence of depression among swine at farms.
PSS - I had hogs as well when I was younger, as did several generations of my family before me (I was the first generation of my father's line to not actually grow up on a farm).
funny that someone thought to down rate me, someone who has raised hogs and has seen many of them in the wild, as "overrated" - and then uprate you for just repeating the same thing someone else said.
"X!"
"No, X isn't actually true" - overrate -1
"X!" - insightful +4!
Hogs don't like being in mud in the first place. The only reason they are, is because they were *put there*. They are naturally a fairly clean animal; if well kept in a humane way, they'll always poop in one place, as far away from their food as they can. What 99.9999% of the population has seen, or heard described, is instead a nasty pen that the hog finds extremely depressing. They get into a cycle where they try to clean themselves off, but instead get dirtier. Sometimes, in a large open area, they'll do what elephants do - they'll cover themselves in a light layer of dirt/mud as a sort of natural sunscreen. They don't do this because they enjoy the process, they do it because they're in the sun and have no shade.
Now, go find a feral hog and instead you'll find a relatively clean animal (sans the snout itself) that looks nothing like his hog-farm kept brothers. And that's the point - hog farms are un-natural, and hogs are known to be extremely depressed at hog farms. To presume that you know what someone "enjoys" because of their behavior when they're at a cruel place they obviously don't want to be at, is silly.
Even sillier is presuming that hogs like it when their fleeing in terror at a rodeo during some sort of pig wrestling event. I suppose the bulls enjoy the rodeo too, and that's why they're so happy and pleased to give the rider such a fun time?
hogs don't actually enjoy it. I know it's just a saying, but it's a saying based on the false belief that hogs and pigs like to be dirty. When the only time you see a hog is in an unnatural environment...don't presume to know what it likes;)
at around 7 cents per page for inject prints, how bloody expensive is the newspaper in your area that you'd pay that bloody much to print it out on your extraordinarily expensive per-page desktop printer? Just so you can accomplish what a different fold would accomplish...
go ahead and pretend money is no object, and that you bought the low-cost web printer (printers are cheap, printing is expensive) because it matches your drapes. In a very short period of time, the cost of printing a newspaper daily would catch up to just buying a bloody ipad.
regardless of facts? The US 4.53% of the world's population, yet we blow by that percentage in technological advancements that come from here by a very, very wide margin.
Just because I don't think we need to produce most of the world's technological advances without being called an academic failure, doesn't in any way mean I am interested in Rush or Beck. If we produce 10% of the world's technological advances, we're doing extraordinarily well, and instead of suggesting we are an academic failure, perhaps those who are below the curve should be looked at instead.
Why people think we have to be completely dominating the entire globe in every field, us-versus-them despite being outnumbered 21 to 1, is beyond me. Yet in almost every advanced technological field, our contributions are indeed he major milestones, or at least are very important contributions. Despite that,/. wants to claim over and over that the US has a failed educational system, and that we're highly unfriendly to scientists. It makes no sense to me.
Does it really make sense to you? And does it really mean that I'm a Rush-head if I don't think the US should need to dominate in every aspect of everything without being considered a complete failure? Self-hate is the best hate, I guess.
errr.....it's not necessarily the job of the OS to babysit everything. Nanny-state, much? If a process simply calls a recursive fork, it can cause problems.
How about a different option - we blame the OS for not being set up well enough to handle assholes, and we blame the asshole for being an asshole.
ok, what with genetics, medicine, computer, cell, and other technological discoveries and advances being dominated by the US, we're supposed to think physics might be in that group too? But what about all the slashdot articles that say science in the US is dead? Obviously there has been a mistake. If the US isn't dominating everything, then there is cause for alarm and we must all get upset and stuff. And obviously the US is just failing in science and technology. Raise our fists in anger! America, Fark Yeah!//grumbles about inconsistent/. editors, walks off
1) most things written for xp won't work on win7 2) nearly anything written for use on linux post-libc6 can be easily made to work, no matter how old it is. Can you "apt-get install 10-year-old-thing?" no, but microsoft doesn't even *offer* such a service, so don't pretend it's an apples-to-apples comparison. Do the real a2a comparison - grab 10-year old source for something, and run configure/make/make install. Tada, if it compiled well then then it still will now.
I live and work in one of the more well-off areas of San Diego (Solana Beach)...and the AT&T coverage here is absolutely horrible. I quite often will get no signal at all, spend half my time not even on 3g, etc. Almost all of the people in the office here have an iphone too, and all but one of them have the same problem (meaning, it's not just my phone).
lately I've just been crossing my fingers and praying to various gods that my search results won't be spam trash result stuffing garbage. I especially love the sites that troll email lists, and repost the emails 2 lines at a time in a sea of ugly web page.
Simply needing to add "please" would be wonderful. I've found myself sneaking searches in over at bing, getting better results, and cursing myself for it.
Er... stupid 4chan meme is... lame and old and tired and, well... stupid.
I honestly don't know what the fark you are talking about.
Also, yeah, let's see how long your "few $k a month" server(s) stands up to 10GB/s sustained DoS from Zeus or the remnants of Mariposa
Wow. Well, you um...quoted part of that sentence, and either ignored or didn't understand the rest. Let's repeat it, shall we?
"For just a few $k a month I could build an ec2 cluster that would destroy any botnet in sheer computing power"
Unless you're a person merely after epeen, then botnets are outdated. If you're actually trying to do something useful with a horde of computers, then that's another matter. I have lots of ec2 instances that cost me 3.1 pennies...that's $0.031....per hour to run. That's with 1.7G of ram, and I don't even remember how much disk space (I discard what it comes with and use ebs, so meh). So let me repeat - for just a few $k I could build a globally distributed ec2 cluster running out of dozens of different data centers, and serving content from globally distributed CDNs. Your grandpa XP box botnet will indeed have a hard time not only doing something useful, but even taking down such a beast. That said, I don't need to get crazy with any such clusters, because...well, I'm not trying to compete with large botnets:) But for the effort required to create and manage one, I could do better in the cloud. It's why botnets are dying.
Additionally, you missed the points raised by other posters above re: low-hanging fruit.
Farking bloody hell I did not. I deliberately and distinctly said I disagree with that notion. The fruit is hanging lower not because it's more prolific, but because it's easier. Social hacking is OS-agnostic, and is more rewarding than going after grandpa's info brute-force, because...well, who the hell knows where he put that bank info, but if you can send out 500,000 spam emails saying people need to send in their bank info or they'll lose their accounts...and only 10 of them reply...it just cost you almost nothing to get that money. Far less effort than actually trying to break on to 500,000 boxes and rifle through their files.
Windows is hacked via script-kiddies that use old, easy, exploits. It's hacked via silly exploits that make your computer do silly things. And almost all the time, the net result is your computer is farked up, and you need to clean it. Generally, considering the automated nature of the hacking, they haven't done anything useful yet if you figure it out relatively soon.
And not a damn bit of that has anything to do with the fact that unix was built as a multi-user server environment, with no regard for clippie, games, or etc - while Windows was built as a single-user desktop environment, with no regards to ssh, stuff other people want to do on the machine, etc. They're just different systems, meant for different things. MS can try to dress up their latest thing as some new monster, but really...they should just be pointing out that their OS is far more user-friendly and intuitive to the general public than unix is, but that such comes with a cost. The old adage goes pick 2: cheap, fast, good. Windows chose cheap and fast. Maybe the great innovator Gates shouldn't have been so dismissive of the Internet for so long, and he wouldn't still be playing catch-up.
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That issue was fixed in 9.10. The MySQL daemon wasn't fully converted over to Upstart.
I'm currently still seeing it in 10.04LTS, after doing something very simple and reasonable that selinux would have been able to handle with no problem. So the "solution" of apparmor being easier still didn't solve anything - I just lost the power of Selinux, and traded it for something that hangs updates. Because hey, after all, if I'm installing mysql-server then OBVIOUSLY i want it to start during the install process, right? And replacing init with Upstart, when it is no where near ready for production use even now several releases later, was a bad move. Mysql is a very basic thing to want to have working on a average, run-of-the-mill, lowend server; ie, the Ubuntu Server target audience. What sort of testing occurred?
And it was also just an example. Maybe you can explain why this bug still exists? Does Canonical think that using ldaps to auth a machine is unimportant? And that's as a *client*, so that means Ubuntu can't be used as a workstation OS where ldaps is in use, unless you do something like I suggested in comment #91. This is the sort of thing that happens when people do feature updates downstream without submitting upstream; Canonical has intentionally fostered a culture of people not doing the right thing (kudos for you for not being among them) with code changes, and as a result has created their own divergent forks that they now have to continuously spend time remerging with their proprietary changes. RedHat does a feature freeze with only bug updates per release; that's *reasonable* because it creates a reliable basis for people to develop upon. How much do they change basic things like apache, mysql, etc - without submitting things upstream? Almost none at all.
I could go on. The point is merely that Shuttleworth is whining about a problem he created; people aren't being unfair to him. He tried to change too much, had too big an ego, and that might have worked anyway (like it does for many others in the OSS community)...if so many basic things weren't broken. Wanting a laptop to start faster (hence Upstart) is no reason to break servers. Solutions should solve the problems they're aimed to; in many cases with Ubuntu tools, the "solution" mainly just makes new problems.
But, they can still turn it around. They do have a large base, after all...and they did hop on the Cloud sooner than others, so they've got a head start there.
I don't keep on using Ubuntu just because their leaflets and CDs are shinier. I keep using it because it has less hassles, less fanbois and is more usable.
You're funny.
Oh and btw, pretty much no major linux distro takes a weekend to install, or get things working on. Here's a trick though - follow these steps:
apt-get install postfix
apt-get remove postfix
rm -rf /etc/postfix
apt-get install postfix
Tell me how that turns out for ya. Oh, and when anything at all goes amiss, and stupid farking Upstart just...hangs...when attempting to do something. Why is it that when I do a ctrl-C when "start mysql" hangs, Upstart thinks mysql is now running? That's a fun question. And if apparmor was necessary because selinux was just so gosh darn hard, why is it that it randomly stops working and causes upstart jobs to hang?
When I build a machine from scratch, or use anything other than Ubuntu, I don't have these problems. Then there's the minor detail that Ubuntu doesn't submit upstream patches to things; they just change stuff, and put the source on their own tree. Oh, I could go on...but point is, Shuttleworth spent a lot of money to get to do things *his* way, to hell with what was working better already. He disrespects the OSS culture, and now comes whining about people turning on him. Well waaah, maybe he should have actually attempted to become part of the OSS community, instead of making his own. I gave away Ubuntu CDs at public LUG meetings years ago, it's not like I didn't give him a shot.
Dueling peer-reviewed journal articles, followed by a review by an informed electorate.
So...you'd have people debate in writing. You've just traded those skilled at obfuscating while speaking for those skilled at obfuscating while writing.
Calling it "dueling" doesn't change the fact that you're describing a method of *debate*.
ps - both verbal and written debate is pretty much the only method for sharing and distributing the "truth" of a matter. The only alternative is to have a person suddenly be blessed with a brilliant insight, and then divulge the insight to everyone else, who just nod and accept it as truth without examining it themselves. Wow, that sounds like an enlightened Utopia you're envisioning...
Really, it sounds more like you're not quick on your feet while speaking. That's fine, my wife isn't either, and she's a successful (ie, published in highly respected journals) scientist. Debate via writing isn't somehow more pure than debate via speaking, however; it's just another method.
Is there a reasonable chance that Perl 6 will regain the ground it lost to those competitors when it languished under Larry Wall's negligent stewardship?
err...so, riddle me how the person who created it was negligent? If the community wanted X to happen, it was all open. You could, at the very least, specify that he was a bit lax in the last several years...the word "recently" might make sense before "negligent" there.
No important debate in the history of the world has ever thought it was changing the truth of a matter; that's not the point of a debate. The point of a debate is to find the truth of a matter.
Some are successful in a debate because they are armed with rational, reasoned points and the ability to articulate them. Others are successful because they are charismatic and are great at obfuscating the truth. Surely you don't want people to just stop debating altogether however, just because some people are slick talkers? There are many problems with our recent political system, but lack of debate isn't on the list. Things aren't debated at all, anymore.
err...well, that works for anyone who doesn't have a family...
My wife is getting another doctorate right now. Are you suggesting I spend a year without my wife? Can my dog come, or is she staying with my wife? Great, an oceanliner filled with overweight, balding, bearded men (as OSS devs stereotypically are)...that sounds like an amazing time. I have my own goals in life, and a year-long ocean cruise doesn't fit in those plans.
While almost all OSS devs would have a relatively affordable buyout price, you'd get very very few mid and high-profile devs with the offer of leaving their homes and family for a year. A month maybe, but...not a year.
that is so, so easy for a person not being given an offer to say. If someone came up to you tomorrow and said they wanted you to continue doing what you're doing now, but just let your check be signed by Oracle instead, and your salary would be $500k...you'd say no?
It would take people of the RMS variety to actually do such a thing, and we really don't have that many of those. The ones we have, we make fun of.
I live in a reasonably well off area of San Diego (Solana Beach) and I have had horrible reception the entire time I've had my iphone. I don't live anywhere near downtown, so it's not like "network saturation" should really be an excuse...there are mountains, I guess, but other people's phones work fine. Mine doesn't work at all.
PS - I've had my phone replaced 3 times for reception issues. Of the people I work with in "downtown" Solana Beach (a design area, street called Cedros) 12 of them have iphones, and only 1 of those 12 can use their iphone in this area. For the rest of us, a call will just be static, if it even goes out at all.
So yeah, guess it depends on where you live...I'm not going to make a decision on where I'll live based on cellphone coverage, though.
well maybe not now, when it's "worth" so much, but back then when he was just a thieving punk kid with no money the relationship was beneficial to him. Contracts don't need to be written by lawyers to be legally binding.
I've never seen anybody talk so much that they actually suffocate
I have. I was, at the same time, happy and sad; happy that the noise mercifully stopped, sad that my wife was now too depressed (about her mom) to do anything for a while. Oh well, that's what Tilted Kilt is for, right?
I have absolutely no idea what possessed me to turn this in to a mother-in-law joke...
true, but that again means mud merely facilitates the mitigation of a problem, and not that rolling in mud is done for the purpose of mud-rolling in and of itself. Which you seem to be suggesting, but I'm just trying (for whatever reason) to make clear.
you're mentioning something that you're then not even considering; there's another factor in play here. Remember, correlation does not equal causation ;)
The hogs that had mud to roll around in were then able to move about within their pen without being affected much by the sun. They'd merely need to roll around in the mud again once they started getting hot.
The other hogs had to sit in one particular area, not moving around, otherwise they got hot.
It's the ability to be mobile that matters in this case. I propose that if you will see the pattern emerge if you create 2 new sample groups. For the second set, put them both in the shade. In one shade group, allow them just enough room to roll around in mud, but make that as little room as is necessary for that action. In the other group, allow them no mud at all, yet give them a large pen. At this point you'll see more clearly that "able to move around" is what is actually causing the increased happiness (or decreased depression...) and that for those hogs in the sun, the mud merely facilitates this. Given their druthers (ie, in a shade where they don't need to get muddy) they'd actually prefer to be clean.
That could be tested with a 5th group that has a pen 4 times larger than normal, half in the mud, half dry, half in the sun, half in the shade, such that it makes quarters. I suspect you'll tend to find the hogs in the shaded, dry area...which will in the end be the more accurate test of what they prefer ;)
PS - if you had any hogs at all that "radiate[d] contentment" then wow - that's major, considering the extreme prevalence of depression among swine at farms.
PSS - I had hogs as well when I was younger, as did several generations of my family before me (I was the first generation of my father's line to not actually grow up on a farm).
funny that someone thought to down rate me, someone who has raised hogs and has seen many of them in the wild, as "overrated" - and then uprate you for just repeating the same thing someone else said.
"X!"
"No, X isn't actually true" - overrate -1
"X!" - insightful +4!
Hogs don't like being in mud in the first place. The only reason they are, is because they were *put there*. They are naturally a fairly clean animal; if well kept in a humane way, they'll always poop in one place, as far away from their food as they can. What 99.9999% of the population has seen, or heard described, is instead a nasty pen that the hog finds extremely depressing. They get into a cycle where they try to clean themselves off, but instead get dirtier. Sometimes, in a large open area, they'll do what elephants do - they'll cover themselves in a light layer of dirt/mud as a sort of natural sunscreen. They don't do this because they enjoy the process, they do it because they're in the sun and have no shade.
Now, go find a feral hog and instead you'll find a relatively clean animal (sans the snout itself) that looks nothing like his hog-farm kept brothers. And that's the point - hog farms are un-natural, and hogs are known to be extremely depressed at hog farms. To presume that you know what someone "enjoys" because of their behavior when they're at a cruel place they obviously don't want to be at, is silly.
Even sillier is presuming that hogs like it when their fleeing in terror at a rodeo during some sort of pig wrestling event. I suppose the bulls enjoy the rodeo too, and that's why they're so happy and pleased to give the rider such a fun time?
hogs don't actually enjoy it. I know it's just a saying, but it's a saying based on the false belief that hogs and pigs like to be dirty. When the only time you see a hog is in an unnatural environment...don't presume to know what it likes ;)
at around 7 cents per page for inject prints, how bloody expensive is the newspaper in your area that you'd pay that bloody much to print it out on your extraordinarily expensive per-page desktop printer? Just so you can accomplish what a different fold would accomplish...
go ahead and pretend money is no object, and that you bought the low-cost web printer (printers are cheap, printing is expensive) because it matches your drapes. In a very short period of time, the cost of printing a newspaper daily would catch up to just buying a bloody ipad.
regardless of facts? The US 4.53% of the world's population, yet we blow by that percentage in technological advancements that come from here by a very, very wide margin.
Just because I don't think we need to produce most of the world's technological advances without being called an academic failure, doesn't in any way mean I am interested in Rush or Beck. If we produce 10% of the world's technological advances, we're doing extraordinarily well, and instead of suggesting we are an academic failure, perhaps those who are below the curve should be looked at instead.
Why people think we have to be completely dominating the entire globe in every field, us-versus-them despite being outnumbered 21 to 1, is beyond me. Yet in almost every advanced technological field, our contributions are indeed he major milestones, or at least are very important contributions. Despite that, /. wants to claim over and over that the US has a failed educational system, and that we're highly unfriendly to scientists. It makes no sense to me.
Does it really make sense to you? And does it really mean that I'm a Rush-head if I don't think the US should need to dominate in every aspect of everything without being considered a complete failure? Self-hate is the best hate, I guess.
errr.....it's not necessarily the job of the OS to babysit everything. Nanny-state, much? If a process simply calls a recursive fork, it can cause problems.
How about a different option - we blame the OS for not being set up well enough to handle assholes, and we blame the asshole for being an asshole.
ok, what with genetics, medicine, computer, cell, and other technological discoveries and advances being dominated by the US, we're supposed to think physics might be in that group too? But what about all the slashdot articles that say science in the US is dead? Obviously there has been a mistake. If the US isn't dominating everything, then there is cause for alarm and we must all get upset and stuff. And obviously the US is just failing in science and technology. Raise our fists in anger! America, Fark Yeah! //grumbles about inconsistent /. editors, walks off
err...
1) most things written for xp won't work on win7
2) nearly anything written for use on linux post-libc6 can be easily made to work, no matter how old it is. Can you "apt-get install 10-year-old-thing?" no, but microsoft doesn't even *offer* such a service, so don't pretend it's an apples-to-apples comparison. Do the real a2a comparison - grab 10-year old source for something, and run configure/make/make install. Tada, if it compiled well then then it still will now.
(why am I responding to a troll....)
it's going to be a long time before latency is remotely competitive. Which means that any gamer is going to rely on tethering to a cell.
well yeah, but considering how lawsuit-happy we increasingly are, then hey...it's not why they did it, but that they did it...right?
I live and work in one of the more well-off areas of San Diego (Solana Beach)...and the AT&T coverage here is absolutely horrible. I quite often will get no signal at all, spend half my time not even on 3g, etc. Almost all of the people in the office here have an iphone too, and all but one of them have the same problem (meaning, it's not just my phone).
lately I've just been crossing my fingers and praying to various gods that my search results won't be spam trash result stuffing garbage. I especially love the sites that troll email lists, and repost the emails 2 lines at a time in a sea of ugly web page.
Simply needing to add "please" would be wonderful. I've found myself sneaking searches in over at bing, getting better results, and cursing myself for it.
Er... stupid 4chan meme is... lame and old and tired and, well... stupid.
I honestly don't know what the fark you are talking about.
Also, yeah, let's see how long your "few $k a month" server(s) stands up to 10GB/s sustained DoS from Zeus or the remnants of Mariposa
Wow. Well, you um...quoted part of that sentence, and either ignored or didn't understand the rest. Let's repeat it, shall we?
"For just a few $k a month I could build an ec2 cluster that would destroy any botnet in sheer computing power"
Unless you're a person merely after epeen, then botnets are outdated. If you're actually trying to do something useful with a horde of computers, then that's another matter. I have lots of ec2 instances that cost me 3.1 pennies...that's $0.031....per hour to run. That's with 1.7G of ram, and I don't even remember how much disk space (I discard what it comes with and use ebs, so meh). So let me repeat - for just a few $k I could build a globally distributed ec2 cluster running out of dozens of different data centers, and serving content from globally distributed CDNs. Your grandpa XP box botnet will indeed have a hard time not only doing something useful, but even taking down such a beast. That said, I don't need to get crazy with any such clusters, because...well, I'm not trying to compete with large botnets :) But for the effort required to create and manage one, I could do better in the cloud. It's why botnets are dying.
Additionally, you missed the points raised by other posters above re: low-hanging fruit.
Farking bloody hell I did not. I deliberately and distinctly said I disagree with that notion. The fruit is hanging lower not because it's more prolific, but because it's easier. Social hacking is OS-agnostic, and is more rewarding than going after grandpa's info brute-force, because...well, who the hell knows where he put that bank info, but if you can send out 500,000 spam emails saying people need to send in their bank info or they'll lose their accounts...and only 10 of them reply...it just cost you almost nothing to get that money. Far less effort than actually trying to break on to 500,000 boxes and rifle through their files.
Windows is hacked via script-kiddies that use old, easy, exploits. It's hacked via silly exploits that make your computer do silly things. And almost all the time, the net result is your computer is farked up, and you need to clean it. Generally, considering the automated nature of the hacking, they haven't done anything useful yet if you figure it out relatively soon.
And not a damn bit of that has anything to do with the fact that unix was built as a multi-user server environment, with no regard for clippie, games, or etc - while Windows was built as a single-user desktop environment, with no regards to ssh, stuff other people want to do on the machine, etc. They're just different systems, meant for different things. MS can try to dress up their latest thing as some new monster, but really...they should just be pointing out that their OS is far more user-friendly and intuitive to the general public than unix is, but that such comes with a cost. The old adage goes pick 2: cheap, fast, good. Windows chose cheap and fast. Maybe the great innovator Gates shouldn't have been so dismissive of the Internet for so long, and he wouldn't still be playing catch-up.
awesome...you corrected your AC post as a non-AC.