everything is a socket. Its things that aren't that cause problems. Its supposed to be such. Its intended that way. That, and as has been pointed out - there are indeed fast commercial XF86 systems (so we know its possible...). What X needs is not a replacement, but a restructuring and attunement. You need the option of something built ground-up with GL support, and as an alternative (for the lil pda or whatever) something that isn't - have your happy little gui install determine ask you which you would prefer. Then the community needs to not write things that don't need the GL specifically for the GL version, and instead make it work on both. Only those things (games, video editing or viewing of any sort, etc) that need it should make use of the differences in libraries and such.
craft an entire config file? By hand? No freakin way. That's absurd. At what point did Linux start being used by people who wanted everything done for them? I don't want an OS that is configurable by the mainstream. Usable? Sure, what the hell. Don't care. Configurable? Not if they don't want to learn how to do a few things...
wooooow...you can use nmap. And not even the newer, more intelligent version. Good for you. I think you should hack it. That would be SO cool. Like, you'd be THA MAN. Wouldn't that just show them - if they act like asses, we can too!
most companies develop this stuff in-house. All you need is a little mysql and php, and boom. Otherwise, there are several "solutions" you'll find and/or be told about...they are all very expensive relative to how quickly one can be put together.
"I found myself engrossed by the information and furious at the appalling grammar and sentence construction, particularly in the introductory chapters"
Rarely is it good for one to complain about grammar when one does not have a great grasp of it themselves. Any review is suspect in quality when it mentions (esp without examples) problems with "grammar and sentence contruction," and then proceeds to do be riddled with such itself.
So that I'm not a hypocrit, here is an incomplete list types of errors found:
"more than adequate, I'm well under way" should be "more than adequate; I'm well under way"
"Prentice Hall have a page for the book" should be "Prentice Hall has a page for the book"
"the lack of structure makes it unduly" should be "The lack of structure makes it unduly"
"If you want a guide to Webmin that includes notes on writing your own module then this will do until something better comes along, or they release a second edition with greater thought to structure and order" should be "If you want a guide to Webmin that includes notes on writing your own module, then this will do until something better comes along or they release a second edition with greater thought to structure and order." Seperating "if" and "then" should make sense to IT folk, even if they don't know what a conjunction is. The comma before the word "or" was improper, considering there was only two items being compared.
Oh, I could go on...but eh. I'm sure that my own complaint about the complainer's grammar has problems too...but ya don't see me writing a review on his review. Such things (reviews, that is) should be done with a little more editing...you know, that thing that supposedly (can we believe that?) was lacking in this book's publication.
you're saying two things here. First, you're saying that the donation value will be lower than what the schools would have paid - that I'll grant is probably true. They are NOT getting lock in however, because the schools will only use what they would have bought anyway. These are things they would have purchased, and are now getting free. That does NOT give them lock-in. They already HAD the lock-in, and will continue to have it without giving anything away for free. They get the same amount either way.
You do realize that many many schools have EA's with Microsoft, right? You do realize that many many schools WILL be buying MS software - right? Now however, some of them will be given it for free. What's so confusing about that? Sure, its not a 1 for 1 basis ($1 of software given by MS doesn't rob it of $1, as the distribution channels are getting hit worse really) but its still a big deal. Its actual money MS would have gotten, but now won't. I forget the accounting term for it, but it is an actual loss of money. Is that so hard to see?
I think Linux installers should have two user modes selectable upon installation, Basic and Advanced. (with Basic having a big SELECT THIS IF YOU'RE NEW TO LINUX on it) Advanced does the usual 2-gig program dump we're all used to
I hate to say this, but a 2 gig dump is the newbie install. If any distro called an install "advanced" and did "a 2 gig dump" I'd throw the cd out the window:P
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sure, I'll go slap down the money to build a test lab, and then write some arb tool, or perhaps render a movie. I'll whip it up as soon as I get a few hundred $k.
UT2003 doesn't need 64bits - its getting increases from other design benefits. It will be a while before anything other than highend scientific research, and hollywood, needs it.
But if I'm wrong, why are you pointing out something with a 20% increase in performance when the claim was 5-15? Eh, whatever. UT is just a game.
Slashdot is a canadian thing, dude...don't blame their crap on us;)
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so many people think they knew what I meant, and didn't. They also didn't take into consideration two things: first, that I said I was oversimplifying. Second, that the quote was if all peices were 64 bit - not just part of them. If the achitecture, OS, and app are all 64 bit...truely 64 bit...you can see far more than 5-15% of an increase. Something that doesn't need 64 bits won't be written that way (and thus isn't what I was talking about). Beyond that, think what you will.
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fortunately for SUNW shareholders, Sun released some rather good news yesterday about a breakthrough they had in CPU interconnects. So, the ultrasparc3/4 might be devalued, but Sun was about to devalue them with their own stuff anyway. In addition, the ultraspac3/4 are still very solid chips, and its easier to have an E15k with zillions of them than to try to figure out how to get zillions of p4's to operate in the same space. Check out the new info posted about sun's interconnect tech here (free reg, blah blah). With the new tech, processors and/or memory can be directly connected to each other. I still wish my wife had let me buy AMD a couple months ago when it was in the 5's. They're losing money fast, but...since the stock is up 140% from its price in late June, I guess investors still have hopes for them...
Quote from the first review: The more tangible benefit to running a 64-bit operating system and applications, is the code efficiency associated with it. 64-bit processors, executing 64-bit code, compiled with a 64-bit compiler, should perform marginally faster than similar 32-bit; probably in the neighborhood of 5 - 15% or more, depending on the type of application. Um...NO. If its a true 64-bit processor, OS, and Application...you'll see FAR more than a 5-15% increase. You'll see an exponential increase. No, not just 100%...true 64 bit everything is more than twice as fast as true 32 bit.
32 bit = 4294967296 possibilities.
64 bit = 18446744073709551616 possibilities.
at home, try your calculator. 2^32, vrs 2^64. I don't want to bother going over the implications here...those that know them, do...;)
they might be keyed so that they can go in only the right way, but when the keyboard and mouse are both ps/2 connections... For the first little while ps/2 connections became popular in the compat-world, I was a lowly it tech and saw many a motherboard where someone simply plugged the mouse into the keyboard socket and vice-versa. Blew out most keyboard bioses back in those days. Pretty damn stupid. Sure, key it...but make one an AT connection (keyboard) and one a ps/2. Yeesh. Not really idiot-proof otherwise.
yeah, but despite how many stories I exclude from my line-up in my preferences, I'm still flooded with "spam." Occassionally there is an actual, worth-while, story - just like occassionally I get an actual, worth-while email (well...often, but I'm saying by way of comparison to the spam emails). This is very un-tech, un-impressive. This has little to do with the TIA push. This isn't a "TIA for one," this is a "goofy map of someone who doesn't get around much." What's the picture supposed to prove/demonstrate?
the saddest part is that the craft went on the blind side of jupiter before it went down. So, we didn't get to see its final transmition. Did some scientist at NASA do that on purpose, to let it die with dignity? What it also means is we don't actually know for certain that it crashed. I mean, maybe on the blind side it pulled back up, was rescued by a spacecraft, or...who knows! Wasn't ther ean old original Star Trek that went along those lines? An old space probe that went nuts, and spawned a civilization?
...and I'm not speaking from heresay, but instead from direct experience (and as someone with an enterprise solaris certification). When you get the solaris 8 or 9 set of cd's, one of those cd's (in both sets) is the software companion cd. Its really not hard. That, and you can just get the package and install it without the cd. Like - really easily. About as difficult as an rpm, even. If installing the gcc package is too complicated for someone, I submit they have no business even touching a server at all, much less a unix server.
who says this community is intelligent? Anyway, whatever...even if it were, all it would take is 0.099% of the users to troll and you'd see these things. If 99.901% of the users are intelligent, then its an intelligent community. One can't hold the vast minority over the head over everyone else in something like this. Of course, that's the arguement if its 0.099% that are idiots...move the decimal over a few places and you'll get what its actually been like the last couple years:P
well gosh, I thought we were comparing it to linux here...so what were you comparing it to? What does come with a c compiler, since you're saying gcc doesn't count as one? Are you wanting sun's c compiler for linux? You're being a bit inconsistent. Solaris does come with a C compiler. You stated it didn't, and that that lowered its comparability to linux. You might want to explain yourself further now.
really? lets break it down: portal server: need oracle for that? depends I guess, but generally no application server: depends. Web server messaging: uhh...nope on the oracle need calendaring: hmm...yes and no. Sorta. clustering: no need for Oracle there... high availability services: might need HA -for- Oracle, but don't need Oracle for HA;) directory services provisioning: Nope. So can he get away with saying it, when you consider Oracle's application suite? With what he said, yes. Also note that he's talking about Linux, not Oracle. One can install Oracle's Application Suite on Solaris also. Additionally note that Oracle Application Suite is only supported for RedHat Advanced server, which considering it starts at $1499 and goes to $2499 shows that this isn't something for any old "free" linux.
I have spent several years administrating both linux and solaris (as to be distinguished from the various rantings I've already seen on this thread from people who obviously have not). Now to some extent I disagree with him very much - linux does have a place on servers. Its a matter of which ones though, really. In my experience, if you have something that needs to be bulletproof - if you have something that, on the ultra-rare occassion there is a major problem that is beyond an admin's scope to fix, you can toss cores to a group and demand a quick response (if something dies with a linux box, there's really no one you can get lvl3+ support from) - then you put it on a solaris box. Solaris has a wide range of very useful functions and features that have yet to be mimiced in linux yet. It also has FAR better stability. On the other hand...if you want to be able to run obscure things, if you want a very versatile and powerful development platform, if you want a cheap but powerful system to do something an enterprise sun box doesn't make sense for, then linux is definately your way to go. If you want to do computational clustering, still linux (though sun's grid engine can still be used, if you want...). I've been a linux nut since 95. I have loved seeing it go from a hobby OS to something serious. Score a huge one for the underdog! On a high-end server though, it still has a long way to go to compare to solaris. For an easy dividing-line, I find anything from Sun that isn't a v880 or better to be pointless. Solaris for x86 sucks terribly, and once you're below the v880 line you should just be using an intel or amd (depending, again, on function) system, and running linux as its OS. At least, that's my opinion...as someone with actual experiencerunning both.:P
obviously you've either never installed solaris, or you are just a troll. Beyond other compilers available post-initial-build, there is a CD that comes with the system called the "solaris software companion." On it is the gnu c compiler suites versions 2.95 and 3.2. Since you don't have any solaris administration experience obviously, I'll throw out a web site that anyone who has done a week of solaris administration would know. Then a few years from now, you'll know it when you need it. the main solaris freeware site
Oh, I could toss out a few others, but really - that software companion CD comes with the solaris OS set anyway. A little pkgadd, and bam - you're there. No worries - you can gui the install too.
did you even read the article? In the rooms there are books for that #. Who determined the numbers for those books? Might sound trivial to you, but considering its scale its not. Also considering that one can look things up via title, author, and various subjects...
Are they asking for too much? I'd think maybe, except for the other part of the article no one seems to be reading, which states that they sent 3 letters to the hotel owner, and he didn't respond to them. After a while, one has to get tough I guess. If I owned something someone was effectively stealing, and I asked nicely for a couple of years for them to pay for it, I would get a little annoyed eventually as well.
Dewey didn't in 1876 do the work of adding 100,000 books to the system last year. So if someone wants to use the general idea he put out all those years ago - fine. This group does considerable work each year - adding all the new books to the system, making them at least somewhat referencable, and helping the various libraries out with loans. There are millions and millions of books catagorized in the system now, and its that IP that they own, and share with libraries. In exchange, they ask for a small amount of money to use the system. So someone explain to me why this is newsworthy? Seems pretty damn straight forward to me. Don't live off someone else's work. Are people not allowed to get paid for what they do?
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everything is a socket. Its things that aren't that cause problems. Its supposed to be such. Its intended that way.
That, and as has been pointed out - there are indeed fast commercial XF86 systems (so we know its possible...). What X needs is not a replacement, but a restructuring and attunement. You need the option of something built ground-up with GL support, and as an alternative (for the lil pda or whatever) something that isn't - have your happy little gui install determine ask you which you would prefer.
Then the community needs to not write things that don't need the GL specifically for the GL version, and instead make it work on both. Only those things (games, video editing or viewing of any sort, etc) that need it should make use of the differences in libraries and such.
craft an entire config file? By hand? No freakin way. That's absurd.
At what point did Linux start being used by people who wanted everything done for them? I don't want an OS that is configurable by the mainstream. Usable? Sure, what the hell. Don't care. Configurable? Not if they don't want to learn how to do a few things...
wooooow...you can use nmap. And not even the newer, more intelligent version. Good for you.
I think you should hack it. That would be SO cool. Like, you'd be THA MAN. Wouldn't that just show them - if they act like asses, we can too!
most companies develop this stuff in-house. All you need is a little mysql and php, and boom. Otherwise, there are several "solutions" you'll find and/or be told about...they are all very expensive relative to how quickly one can be put together.
Rarely is it good for one to complain about grammar when one does not have a great grasp of it themselves. Any review is suspect in quality when it mentions (esp without examples) problems with "grammar and sentence contruction," and then proceeds to do be riddled with such itself.
So that I'm not a hypocrit, here is an incomplete list types of errors found:
"more than adequate, I'm well under way" should be "more than adequate; I'm well under way"
"Prentice Hall have a page for the book" should be "Prentice Hall has a page for the book"
"the lack of structure makes it unduly" should be "The lack of structure makes it unduly"
"If you want a guide to Webmin that includes notes on writing your own module then this will do until something better comes along, or they release a second edition with greater thought to structure and order" should be "If you want a guide to Webmin that includes notes on writing your own module, then this will do until something better comes along or they release a second edition with greater thought to structure and order." Seperating "if" and "then" should make sense to IT folk, even if they don't know what a conjunction is. The comma before the word "or" was improper, considering there was only two items being compared.
Oh, I could go on...but eh. I'm sure that my own complaint about the complainer's grammar has problems too...but ya don't see me writing a review on his review. Such things (reviews, that is) should be done with a little more editing...you know, that thing that supposedly (can we believe that?) was lacking in this book's publication.
you're saying two things here. First, you're saying that the donation value will be lower than what the schools would have paid - that I'll grant is probably true. They are NOT getting lock in however, because the schools will only use what they would have bought anyway. These are things they would have purchased, and are now getting free. That does NOT give them lock-in. They already HAD the lock-in, and will continue to have it without giving anything away for free. They get the same amount either way.
You do realize that many many schools have EA's with Microsoft, right? You do realize that many many schools WILL be buying MS software - right? Now however, some of them will be given it for free. What's so confusing about that? Sure, its not a 1 for 1 basis ($1 of software given by MS doesn't rob it of $1, as the distribution channels are getting hit worse really) but its still a big deal. Its actual money MS would have gotten, but now won't. I forget the accounting term for it, but it is an actual loss of money. Is that so hard to see?
I hate to say this, but a 2 gig dump is the newbie install. If any distro called an install "advanced" and did "a 2 gig dump" I'd throw the cd out the window :P
UT2003 doesn't need 64bits - its getting increases from other design benefits. It will be a while before anything other than highend scientific research, and hollywood, needs it.
But if I'm wrong, why are you pointing out something with a 20% increase in performance when the claim was 5-15? Eh, whatever. UT is just a game.
Slashdot is a canadian thing, dude...don't blame their crap on us ;)
so many people think they knew what I meant, and didn't. They also didn't take into consideration two things: first, that I said I was oversimplifying. Second, that the quote was if all peices were 64 bit - not just part of them. If the achitecture, OS, and app are all 64 bit...truely 64 bit...you can see far more than 5-15% of an increase. Something that doesn't need 64 bits won't be written that way (and thus isn't what I was talking about). Beyond that, think what you will.
fortunately for SUNW shareholders, Sun released some rather good news yesterday about a breakthrough they had in CPU interconnects. So, the ultrasparc3/4 might be devalued, but Sun was about to devalue them with their own stuff anyway. In addition, the ultraspac3/4 are still very solid chips, and its easier to have an E15k with zillions of them than to try to figure out how to get zillions of p4's to operate in the same space.
Check out the new info posted about sun's interconnect tech here (free reg, blah blah). With the new tech, processors and/or memory can be directly connected to each other.
I still wish my wife had let me buy AMD a couple months ago when it was in the 5's. They're losing money fast, but...since the stock is up 140% from its price in late June, I guess investors still have hopes for them...
The more tangible benefit to running a 64-bit operating system and applications, is the code efficiency associated with it. 64-bit processors, executing 64-bit code, compiled with a 64-bit compiler, should perform marginally faster than similar 32-bit; probably in the neighborhood of 5 - 15% or more, depending on the type of application.
Um...NO. If its a true 64-bit processor, OS, and Application...you'll see FAR more than a 5-15% increase. You'll see an exponential increase. No, not just 100%...true 64 bit everything is more than twice as fast as true 32 bit.
32 bit = 4294967296 possibilities.
64 bit = 18446744073709551616 possibilities.
at home, try your calculator. 2^32, vrs 2^64. I don't want to bother going over the implications here...those that know them, do... ;)
they might be keyed so that they can go in only the right way, but when the keyboard and mouse are both ps/2 connections...
For the first little while ps/2 connections became popular in the compat-world, I was a lowly it tech and saw many a motherboard where someone simply plugged the mouse into the keyboard socket and vice-versa. Blew out most keyboard bioses back in those days. Pretty damn stupid. Sure, key it...but make one an AT connection (keyboard) and one a ps/2. Yeesh. Not really idiot-proof otherwise.
yeah, but despite how many stories I exclude from my line-up in my preferences, I'm still flooded with "spam." Occassionally there is an actual, worth-while, story - just like occassionally I get an actual, worth-while email (well...often, but I'm saying by way of comparison to the spam emails).
This is very un-tech, un-impressive. This has little to do with the TIA push. This isn't a "TIA for one," this is a "goofy map of someone who doesn't get around much." What's the picture supposed to prove/demonstrate?
the saddest part is that the craft went on the blind side of jupiter before it went down. So, we didn't get to see its final transmition. Did some scientist at NASA do that on purpose, to let it die with dignity?
What it also means is we don't actually know for certain that it crashed. I mean, maybe on the blind side it pulled back up, was rescued by a spacecraft, or...who knows! Wasn't ther ean old original Star Trek that went along those lines? An old space probe that went nuts, and spawned a civilization?
...and I'm not speaking from heresay, but instead from direct experience (and as someone with an enterprise solaris certification). When you get the solaris 8 or 9 set of cd's, one of those cd's (in both sets) is the software companion cd. Its really not hard.
That, and you can just get the package and install it without the cd. Like - really easily. About as difficult as an rpm, even. If installing the gcc package is too complicated for someone, I submit they have no business even touching a server at all, much less a unix server.
who says this community is intelligent? Anyway, whatever...even if it were, all it would take is 0.099% of the users to troll and you'd see these things. If 99.901% of the users are intelligent, then its an intelligent community. One can't hold the vast minority over the head over everyone else in something like this. :P
Of course, that's the arguement if its 0.099% that are idiots...move the decimal over a few places and you'll get what its actually been like the last couple years
well gosh, I thought we were comparing it to linux here...so what were you comparing it to? What does come with a c compiler, since you're saying gcc doesn't count as one? Are you wanting sun's c compiler for linux? You're being a bit inconsistent.
Solaris does come with a C compiler. You stated it didn't, and that that lowered its comparability to linux. You might want to explain yourself further now.
really? lets break it down: ;)
portal server: need oracle for that? depends I guess, but generally no
application server: depends.
Web server messaging: uhh...nope on the oracle need
calendaring: hmm...yes and no. Sorta.
clustering: no need for Oracle there...
high availability services: might need HA -for- Oracle, but don't need Oracle for HA
directory services provisioning: Nope.
So can he get away with saying it, when you consider Oracle's application suite? With what he said, yes. Also note that he's talking about Linux, not Oracle. One can install Oracle's Application Suite on Solaris also. Additionally note that Oracle Application Suite is only supported for RedHat Advanced server, which considering it starts at $1499 and goes to $2499 shows that this isn't something for any old "free" linux.
I have spent several years administrating both linux and solaris (as to be distinguished from the various rantings I've already seen on this thread from people who obviously have not). Now to some extent I disagree with him very much - linux does have a place on servers. Its a matter of which ones though, really. :P
In my experience, if you have something that needs to be bulletproof - if you have something that, on the ultra-rare occassion there is a major problem that is beyond an admin's scope to fix, you can toss cores to a group and demand a quick response (if something dies with a linux box, there's really no one you can get lvl3+ support from) - then you put it on a solaris box. Solaris has a wide range of very useful functions and features that have yet to be mimiced in linux yet. It also has FAR better stability.
On the other hand...if you want to be able to run obscure things, if you want a very versatile and powerful development platform, if you want a cheap but powerful system to do something an enterprise sun box doesn't make sense for, then linux is definately your way to go. If you want to do computational clustering, still linux (though sun's grid engine can still be used, if you want...).
I've been a linux nut since 95. I have loved seeing it go from a hobby OS to something serious. Score a huge one for the underdog! On a high-end server though, it still has a long way to go to compare to solaris. For an easy dividing-line, I find anything from Sun that isn't a v880 or better to be pointless. Solaris for x86 sucks terribly, and once you're below the v880 line you should just be using an intel or amd (depending, again, on function) system, and running linux as its OS.
At least, that's my opinion...as someone with actual experiencerunning both.
obviously you've either never installed solaris, or you are just a troll.
Beyond other compilers available post-initial-build, there is a CD that comes with the system called the "solaris software companion." On it is the gnu c compiler suites versions 2.95 and 3.2. Since you don't have any solaris administration experience obviously, I'll throw out a web site that anyone who has done a week of solaris administration would know. Then a few years from now, you'll know it when you need it.
the main solaris freeware site
Oh, I could toss out a few others, but really - that software companion CD comes with the solaris OS set anyway.
A little pkgadd, and bam - you're there. No worries - you can gui the install too.
did you even read the article? In the rooms there are books for that #. Who determined the numbers for those books? Might sound trivial to you, but considering its scale its not. Also considering that one can look things up via title, author, and various subjects...
Are they asking for too much? I'd think maybe, except for the other part of the article no one seems to be reading, which states that they sent 3 letters to the hotel owner, and he didn't respond to them. After a while, one has to get tough I guess. If I owned something someone was effectively stealing, and I asked nicely for a couple of years for them to pay for it, I would get a little annoyed eventually as well.
Dewey didn't in 1876 do the work of adding 100,000 books to the system last year. So if someone wants to use the general idea he put out all those years ago - fine. This group does considerable work each year - adding all the new books to the system, making them at least somewhat referencable, and helping the various libraries out with loans. There are millions and millions of books catagorized in the system now, and its that IP that they own, and share with libraries. In exchange, they ask for a small amount of money to use the system.
So someone explain to me why this is newsworthy? Seems pretty damn straight forward to me. Don't live off someone else's work. Are people not allowed to get paid for what they do?
very untre, unless you're still using windows 95 with office 97 right now.
If you've upgraded since then...and you take the amount you spent to upgrade...
also note that the 50/seat comes with support, which is not at all insignificant.