The manufacturer keeps the serial numbers. When I worked for Lucent installing equipment like this, all the boards had serial numbers.
Anything purchased thru legit channels had the serial numbers recorded not only by the sales dept, but by the installing tech.
Cards purchased thru E-Bay were most likely registered to someone else.
There is a big market for older switching equipment components (ATM, Frame Relay, SS7, etc.) in Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America. What is obsolete or close to obsolete in Europe and N. America is just entering its prime in other markets.
Serial numbers are network addressable (SNMP) though PROMs can be changed by those smart enough.
Yes, I'm aware that emerge handles binary code as well. I believe that is how they handle OO.org and possibly Mozilla code. You're right in there isn't a lot of that available.
In the larger environs I worked, we had a 3-year rotation plan. All office computers during that purchase year were exactly the same: CPU, RAM, video card, etc. There were exceptions for things like CAD workstations and manufacturing terminals, but THOSE were the same as a group.
Thus we used imaging software (Ghost or scripted dd). There was a corporate image for each set of computers (6 or 7 in all). If something fubared too badly, reimage.
No, a compiler wasn't standard fare. If you knew what one was and wanted one, you were allowed to install it. You got ZERO support for it from Corporate IT, and if it fubared your system -- it was reimaged.
Windows Update, Virus and Spyware scanning were NEVER done by the users. Users forget or screw things up. It was much, much easier to simply schedule those things to happen automatically. Windows Update always came from OUR server and never directly from MS. Same goes for time synching (NTP), system backups, etc.
Heh, actually, saving data to a local hard drive was an offense that could be punishable by termination. The local drive was pretty much locked, except for temp data.
Does emerge have a central management station? Can I see what has been distributed to which machine, etc? It has been a while since I've played with Gentoo.
Source-based packages have no place in a large scale environment. They do not scale.
The little boxes that sit in most offices and cubes have no business with a compiler on them, nor are people interested (nor should they be) in wasting time compiling applications.
Most office workers have a JOB to do that doesn't involve compiling software. As a corporate sysadmin I sure as hell don't want to have to use an eBuild for updating something like KDE or ANYTHING for that matter.
Gentoo is wonderful to experiment on and for very small installations, but I'd roll my own package manager before I would ever consider a source-based one.
Usually, turn away, if I'm not interested in being photographed. It depends on where it is. In the gym locker room, it is likely to result in a broken camera phone.
I'm amazed at the number of these types of responses. There must be a lot of people who just don't get it.
The reason is simple. Seeing a phone in someone's hand is so commonplace as to be ignored. If you see someone with a camera, you take notice. It is nothing to see someone walking thru the mall with a cellphone dangling in their hand.
Size of digital cameras has nothing to do with it. If a digital camera is noticed, then mental alerts go off. If a cell phone is noticed -- nothing.
What is wrong with http://www.eb.com/ ? The original argument wasn't about paper vs online, but rather the validity of the method used and the accuracy of the information in a community developed source.
Which would you rather trust? Peer reviewed articles written by verified, accredited experts in the subject matter; or articles where a high-school freshman's edits are as valid as those of a Ph.D. w/20 years experience in the field?
EVENTUALLY the freshman's will be reviewed and accepted/rejected based on merit. What happens during those times where the article is read BEFORE such a process? What if it was reviewed by everyone in that freshman's entire high school? WOW, 2,500 article reviews and no edits! Sorry, I'd still place the 1 review by the Ph.D. with the experience over all 2,501 of the others.
The idea of digital encyclopedias is one that is due, for the reasons you mention. However, I can't envision how to honestly trust the veracity and validity of information in something like Wikipedia.
All opinions are NOT equal, and a system that gives idiots the same level of credence as experts isn't one that can be trusted.
Thanks for the info. I was unaware of the classification issues.
I'm not knocking the Netherlands. I've been to both Rotterdam and Amsterdam on business and enjoyed myself immensely. I seriously wish the U.S. could adopt a bit of the laid back attitude of NL, it would do us a world of good.
I need no weapon, as i know there aren't any around me. Quite simple actually.
Here is a blog with some nice numbers about that. The meat is the link to the Dutch Justice Dept. report in late 2000 about these things.
There are about 80,000 people with a gun license in the Netherlands. The total number of illegal firearms is estimated to be between 85,000 and 120,000 depending on various assumptions on circulation speed and extrapolations from the numbers of confiscated arms. It's also estimated that up to 20,000 firearms trade hands each year. Most weapons are single-use. The criminals get rid of the weapon once its been fired.
That would make 160,000 - 200,000 people "around you" with a gun. Quite simple actually.
I find the idea wrong. 16? You should tell your doughter (sic) simply 'I dont give you weapons'
Then you'll just be in love with the fact that not only does the local high school have its own firing range, but my daughter's Jr. ROTC (Reserve Officer Training Corps) class also gets to (sometimes) practice with a fully-automatic M-16.
You need to look not so far in the past as the "wild west", but much nearer and closer to home (for you, if the.nl domain is accurate). Try May 10, 1940. Google for that date and the words "Netherlands blitzkrieg" for enlightenment.
Better to have a gun, and trained properly and NOT NEED it than to need it and not have one.
The Jews use the phrase "never again" for a reason. It dovetails nicely with the Boy Scouts' "Be Prepared". Neither imply sitting around hoping someone else will take care of the issue.
I live in rural Idaho, so it isn't a matter of nowhere to shoot. It is a matter of me as a parent mandating they will have proper adult supervision as long as they are young enough for *ME* to be liable for deadly incidents.
Actually, they can target-shoot the bows behind the house, as long as I'm informed first. The high school gun range requires an adult to sign in and be present so that means a teacher or parent.
How true. My daughter (16) asked for her own.22 rifle this year and one of my sons (14) wants a new bow.
Considering both require parental supervision at their age, target practice is a great way for the whole family to get outside and do something together.
If the choice is between working for a bad employer or not working at all, it's hard to blame them for choosing work. Because there's a competetive advantage to not paying your employees what they're worth, every self-interested good capitalist will do so. Therefore in the absence of government intervention, there will be no "good employers". This is a fundamental flaw in capitalism, and instead of patching it with state power we should be looking for alternative ways of organizing the economy.
You completely ignored option #3 -- the same option most Americans have already taken. Small business or self-employment. Small businesses create two-thirds of new private sector jobs in America, employ more than half of all workers, and account for more than half of the output of our economy. [sba.gov]
There will be "good employers" in the absence of government intervention, you are just looking in the wrong place.
I agree, which is why that wasn't my first thought. My detailed thoughts on that ran along the lines of: well, are they just CODERS or are we also talking about scoring musicians, artists, project managers, etc. Do they have a good chunk of money put aside to live off of for the next year or so while they try this? Probably not. Next idea.
Genius boy, a labor union *IS* a market force. I'm a Libertaian and my first thought was "organize -- form a union and flex some muscle". Thought #2 was -- if there is so much overworked, unhappy talent there then form your own company. Followed by #3, quit.
The only way I'd work 60+ hours a week was if I owned the company, or a good chunk of the percentage. For a Fortune 500? No way in hell.
Reading through both links, I fail to see where it mentions that SGI & Intel *gave* the system to NASA for free.
The SGI press release http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_rel eases/2004/october/columbia.html mentions NASA having to put together a business case and justification for Congress and that normally means asking for funds.
Even if they did just give it away for the press (and I dount it). When dealing with the gov't, the support contracts are separate. No one but SGI could properly support the system, so I'm willing to bet they got a fat support contract out of it.
But since they don't tell you how many of each system type is 24/7 connected, it is very hard to draw meaningful conclusions from this report.
If OS X/BSD systems comprised only.001% of 24/7 connected systems, then I'm not impressed with their numbers. If they comprised 60%, then I'm really impressed.
And...were the attacks against unique machines? Or once machine A was found to be vulnerable, were there 200 different breaches against that machine? One badly configured system could really blow it for the rest.
Finally...which of the "attacks" were against the OS and which were against the applications? MySQl and Apache run on all their listed OSes. If it was a misconfiguration of those, which OS is really not relavant.
They might have the data, but they do not expose enough of it for me to have any confidence in their conclusions.
You're apparantly a Bill O'Reilly fan. I but I can guess whom you've been brainwashed to vote for.
Nope, I never have seen an entire episode of whatever show Bill O'Reilly is on. Nor have I read any of his books. (I do own a lot of O'Reilly books, but they all seem to have animals on the cover.)
And you'd be wrong, unless you said I was brainwashed to vote Libertarian -- which I don't think that is what you were thinking.
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The manufacturer keeps the serial numbers. When I worked for Lucent installing equipment like this, all the boards had serial numbers.
Anything purchased thru legit channels had the serial numbers recorded not only by the sales dept, but by the installing tech.
Cards purchased thru E-Bay were most likely registered to someone else.
There is a big market for older switching equipment components (ATM, Frame Relay, SS7, etc.) in Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America. What is obsolete or close to obsolete in Europe and N. America is just entering its prime in other markets.
Serial numbers are network addressable (SNMP) though PROMs can be changed by those smart enough.
Yes, I'm aware that emerge handles binary code as well. I believe that is how they handle OO.org and possibly Mozilla code. You're right in there isn't a lot of that available.
In the larger environs I worked, we had a 3-year rotation plan. All office computers during that purchase year were exactly the same: CPU, RAM, video card, etc. There were exceptions for things like CAD workstations and manufacturing terminals, but THOSE were the same as a group.
Thus we used imaging software (Ghost or scripted dd). There was a corporate image for each set of computers (6 or 7 in all). If something fubared too badly, reimage.
No, a compiler wasn't standard fare. If you knew what one was and wanted one, you were allowed to install it. You got ZERO support for it from Corporate IT, and if it fubared your system -- it was reimaged.
Windows Update, Virus and Spyware scanning were NEVER done by the users. Users forget or screw things up. It was much, much easier to simply schedule those things to happen automatically. Windows Update always came from OUR server and never directly from MS. Same goes for time synching (NTP), system backups, etc.
Heh, actually, saving data to a local hard drive was an offense that could be punishable by termination. The local drive was pretty much locked, except for temp data.
Does emerge have a central management station? Can I see what has been distributed to which machine, etc? It has been a while since I've played with Gentoo.
-Charles
Okay, I'll say it.
Source-based packages have no place in a large scale environment. They do not scale.
The little boxes that sit in most offices and cubes have no business with a compiler on them, nor are people interested (nor should they be) in wasting time compiling applications.
Most office workers have a JOB to do that doesn't involve compiling software. As a corporate sysadmin I sure as hell don't want to have to use an eBuild for updating something like KDE or ANYTHING for that matter.
Gentoo is wonderful to experiment on and for very small installations, but I'd roll my own package manager before I would ever consider a source-based one.
-Charles
That's the stupidest thing I've read on /. in a long time;...
/. a lot. I've seen a LOT stupider things written on /. Damn, that one wasn't even in the Top 10. :-)
Then you don't read
-Charles
You are confusing CSI with WalMart. You also forgot the computer that tracks every RFID-tagged item you ever bought from there or Sam's Club.
Wait a minute...I think the last box of tin foil I bought was from WalMart! That means it probably has an RFID tag...
IS NOTHING SACRED?!
=Charles
Usually, turn away, if I'm not interested in being photographed. It depends on where it is. In the gym locker room, it is likely to result in a broken camera phone.
I'm amazed at the number of these types of responses. There must be a lot of people who just don't get it.
The reason is simple. Seeing a phone in someone's hand is so commonplace as to be ignored. If you see someone with a camera, you take notice. It is nothing to see someone walking thru the mall with a cellphone dangling in their hand.
Size of digital cameras has nothing to do with it. If a digital camera is noticed, then mental alerts go off. If a cell phone is noticed -- nothing.
-Charles
What is wrong with http://www.eb.com/ ? The original argument wasn't about paper vs online, but rather the validity of the method used and the accuracy of the information in a community developed source.
Which would you rather trust? Peer reviewed articles written by verified, accredited experts in the subject matter; or articles where a high-school freshman's edits are as valid as those of a Ph.D. w/20 years experience in the field?
EVENTUALLY the freshman's will be reviewed and accepted/rejected based on merit. What happens during those times where the article is read BEFORE such a process? What if it was reviewed by everyone in that freshman's entire high school? WOW, 2,500 article reviews and no edits! Sorry, I'd still place the 1 review by the Ph.D. with the experience over all 2,501 of the others.
The idea of digital encyclopedias is one that is due, for the reasons you mention. However, I can't envision how to honestly trust the veracity and validity of information in something like Wikipedia.
All opinions are NOT equal, and a system that gives idiots the same level of credence as experts isn't one that can be trusted.
-Charles
Thanks for the info. I was unaware of the classification issues.
I'm not knocking the Netherlands. I've been to both Rotterdam and Amsterdam on business and enjoyed myself immensely. I seriously wish the U.S. could adopt a bit of the laid back attitude of NL, it would do us a world of good.
I need no weapon, as i know there aren't any around me. Quite simple actually.
Here is a blog with some nice numbers about that. The meat is the link to the Dutch Justice Dept. report in late 2000 about these things.
There are about 80,000 people with a gun license in the Netherlands. The total number of illegal firearms is estimated to be between 85,000 and 120,000 depending on various assumptions on circulation speed and extrapolations from the numbers of confiscated arms. It's also estimated that up to 20,000 firearms trade hands each year. Most weapons are single-use. The criminals get rid of the weapon once its been fired.
That would make 160,000 - 200,000 people "around you" with a gun. Quite simple actually.
http://qsi.cc/blog/archives/000144.html
I find the idea wrong. 16? You should tell your doughter (sic) simply 'I dont give you weapons'
.nl domain is accurate). Try May 10, 1940. Google for that date and the words "Netherlands blitzkrieg" for enlightenment.
Then you'll just be in love with the fact that not only does the local high school have its own firing range, but my daughter's Jr. ROTC (Reserve Officer Training Corps) class also gets to (sometimes) practice with a fully-automatic M-16.
You need to look not so far in the past as the "wild west", but much nearer and closer to home (for you, if the
Better to have a gun, and trained properly and NOT NEED it than to need it and not have one.
The Jews use the phrase "never again" for a reason. It dovetails nicely with the Boy Scouts' "Be Prepared". Neither imply sitting around hoping someone else will take care of the issue.
-Charles
I live in rural Idaho, so it isn't a matter of nowhere to shoot. It is a matter of me as a parent mandating they will have proper adult supervision as long as they are young enough for *ME* to be liable for deadly incidents.
Actually, they can target-shoot the bows behind the house, as long as I'm informed first. The high school gun range requires an adult to sign in and be present so that means a teacher or parent.
-Charles
How true. My daughter (16) asked for her own .22 rifle this year and one of my sons (14) wants a new bow.
Considering both require parental supervision at their age, target practice is a great way for the whole family to get outside and do something together.
Or, were you being sarcastic?
If the choice is between working for a bad employer or not working at all, it's hard to blame them for choosing work. Because there's a competetive advantage to not paying your employees what they're worth, every self-interested good capitalist will do so. Therefore in the absence of government intervention, there will be no "good employers". This is a fundamental flaw in capitalism, and instead of patching it with state power we should be looking for alternative ways of organizing the economy.
You completely ignored option #3 -- the same option most Americans have already taken. Small business or self-employment. Small businesses create two-thirds of new private sector jobs in America, employ more than half of all workers, and account for more than half of the output of our economy. [sba.gov]
There will be "good employers" in the absence of government intervention, you are just looking in the wrong place.
-Charles
aka Narcolepsy. I thought they were looking for a CURE for this, not necessarily enshrine victims in a museum?
I agree, which is why that wasn't my first thought. My detailed thoughts on that ran along the lines of: well, are they just CODERS or are we also talking about scoring musicians, artists, project managers, etc. Do they have a good chunk of money put aside to live off of for the next year or so while they try this? Probably not. Next idea.
Genius boy, a labor union *IS* a market force. I'm a Libertaian and my first thought was "organize -- form a union and flex some muscle". Thought #2 was -- if there is so much overworked, unhappy talent there then form your own company. Followed by #3, quit.
The only way I'd work 60+ hours a week was if I owned the company, or a good chunk of the percentage. For a Fortune 500? No way in hell.
users could pull their heads out of their asses and stop clicking on links in SPAM.
Bzzzt, wrong answer.
Most viruses come from people you know, since they exploit the address book feature. Most spam comes from people you never heard of.
Thus, it is the links in the e-mail from people you KNOW, not spam, that is the problem.
I don't trust this government.
I hereby revoke your membership in the tinfoil hat club. The correct phrasing is I don't trust government.
Your statement implies there is/was/will be a government you trust. That thought is just plain scary.
-Charles
Ah...I remember it from Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) but after further research, Clemens attributed it to Disraeli in his autobiography.
Thanks.
Wait a minute. You have a problem with taxes and you're moving to California?!
Dude, you are going to be in for a rude shock. You might want to take a look at Texas, Florida or Tennessee.
Reading through both links, I fail to see where it mentions that SGI & Intel *gave* the system to NASA for free.
l eases/2004/october/columbia.html mentions NASA having to put together a business case and justification for Congress and that normally means asking for funds.
The SGI press release http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_re
Even if they did just give it away for the press (and I dount it). When dealing with the gov't, the support contracts are separate. No one but SGI could properly support the system, so I'm willing to bet they got a fat support contract out of it.
-Charles
Why? Because the trained monkeys at the various networks can only color so fast. That and they're pissed they only get two colors to play with.
But since they don't tell you how many of each system type is 24/7 connected, it is very hard to draw meaningful conclusions from this report.
.001% of 24/7 connected systems, then I'm not impressed with their numbers. If they comprised 60%, then I'm really impressed.
If OS X/BSD systems comprised only
And...were the attacks against unique machines? Or once machine A was found to be vulnerable, were there 200 different breaches against that machine? One badly configured system could really blow it for the rest.
Finally...which of the "attacks" were against the OS and which were against the applications? MySQl and Apache run on all their listed OSes. If it was a misconfiguration of those, which OS is really not relavant.
They might have the data, but they do not expose enough of it for me to have any confidence in their conclusions.
Pure marketing hype.
You're apparantly a Bill O'Reilly fan. I but I can guess whom you've been brainwashed to vote for.
Nope, I never have seen an entire episode of whatever show Bill O'Reilly is on. Nor have I read any of his books. (I do own a lot of O'Reilly books, but they all seem to have animals on the cover.)
And you'd be wrong, unless you said I was brainwashed to vote Libertarian -- which I don't think that is what you were thinking.