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Verizon Central Office Heist Spoiled By 911 Outage

Qbans writes with a link the NYTimes story on a foiled robbery attempt at a Verizon Central Office in White Plains, New York, snipping "The plan seemed simple enough. The building had been cased and the burglars knew exactly what they wanted - advanced computer circuit panels that could be sold on the black market for hundreds of thousands of dollars." Qbans points out that this story parallels a previous story on how equipment was (successfully) stolen last May. Update: 11/27 22:01 GMT by T : Reader Dave C contributes a link to coverage at the registration-free JournalNews.com.

199 comments

  1. Help, call 911 by fishwallop · · Score: 5, Funny

    someone is stealing my telephone equipment!

    1. Re:Help, call 911 by rf0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry can't hear you can you speak up a bit

      Rus

    2. Re:Help, call 911 by bob+beta · · Score: 1

      Stealing is such a strong word. Shouldn't it be 'someone is at the front desk trying to Human Engineer the receptionists computer away from her.'

    3. Re:Help, call 911 by ForestGrump · · Score: 1

      Hold a sec! I'll call you back on my CINGULAR phone!

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    4. Re:Help, call 911 by stellertony · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can you hear me now?

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  2. please by LWolenczak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This was on NANOG at like 8am. Subscribe to NANOG for the latest networking news.

    Nanog.. News for Network Geeks.

    1. Re:please by dekemoose · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The last thing in the world nanog needs is more slashdor lusers subscribing.

    2. Re:please by LWolenczak · · Score: 0

      True, very true.

  3. Enter Scooby Doo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    And they would have got away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!

  4. blackmarket? by qwp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    blackmarket == ebay??

    1. Re:blackmarket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Supluscomputers.com more than likely.

  5. Catch me once... by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So they tried to steal the same exact stuff at the same exact location, twice? Catch me once, shame on you... catch me twice, shame on me! Glad they caught them...

    1. Re:Catch me once... by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny
      Actually the saying goes: "Catch me once, shame ... shame on ... you." Long, uncomfortable pause. "Catch me -- can't get caught again!"

      (Apologies to GWB)

    2. Re:Catch me once... by LS · · Score: 4, Funny

      You seem to have a bit of Bush's syndrome... Here's what he said.

      I think it goes like this:

      Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

      LS

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    3. Re:Catch me once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pedantic dork-boy says:

      How is this a parallel of a previous story if the outcome was different?

    4. Re:Catch me once... by furball · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or as my uncle is fond of saying

      Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, I break your fucking legs.

    5. Re:Catch me once... by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      I think the first time I heard this was on star trek?

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    6. Re:Catch me once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was a young man
      Just gotten out
      I didn't know
      What this world was all about
      I was lied to, I was cheated
      I played all kinds of fools
      It didn't take me long
      To learn the rules

      Fool me once, shame on you
      Fool me twice, shame on me
      Fool me once, shame on you
      Fool me twice, shame on me

      Lady swore she loved me
      Loved through and through
      And then my pal said
      She said she loved him, too
      And the milkman and the postman
      And in a dream
      I saw her with the local
      Football team

      Fool me once, shame on you
      Fool me twice, shame on me
      Fool me once
      Do me as bad as you can do
      Shame on you
      Shame on you
      Fool me twice
      I'll be as mad as I can be
      Shame on me
      Shame on me

      Banker took my money
      Bought him a stake
      The banker swore that one day
      We'd both feel great
      Then the 80's turned to the 90's
      And my money can't be found
      Banker's on a long trip
      Out of town

      Fool me once
      Do me as bad as you can do
      Shame on you
      Shame on you
      Fool me twice
      I'll be as mad as I can be
      Shame on me
      Shame on me

    7. Re:Catch me once... by nomadic · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess your uncle is in the import-export business, eh?

    8. Re:Catch me once... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      It's a parallel in non-Euclidian space.

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  6. Registration-free link by el_nino-2000 · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:Registration-free link by catalax · · Score: 1

      better mess their database with a form-with-crap-filler or use bugmenot.com

  7. ARTICLE TEXT: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The plan seemed simple enough. The building had been cased and the burglars knew exactly what they wanted - advanced computer circuit panels that could be sold on the black market for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    The night before Thanksgiving, about 8 p.m., they entered the Verizon building in White Plains undetected and set to work.

    But as the criminals removed the panels, they soon triggered problems across Westchester County. Most problematic, 911 systems across the region began to crash. By the time some 150 panels were removed, roughly 25,000 people had lost 911 service.

    At 9:51 p.m., the White Plains Police received a call alerting them to the fact that there might be a problem at the Verizon building. Still unaware that burglars were at work inside, a patrol car rolled up to the site, according to Inspector Daniel Jackson.

    "Literally, the two guys were walking out the door," Mr. Jackson said. They were carrying two large boxes when the officer shouted for them to stop. The men dropped the stolen boxes, fled on foot and were eventually run down by the officer and arrested, Mr. Jackson said.

    The two men were identified in a criminal complaint as Larry D. Davis, 43, of Brooklyn, and Gailican Phillips, 34 of Manhattan.

    They have been charged with conspiracy to commit interstate shipment of stolen property, a federal crime with a maximum sentence of five years in jail, according to the complaint.

    Mr. Jackson said that the burglary itself was not as disturbing as the widespread effect it had on the 911 system.

    The police are working with the F.B.I. and the Department of Homeland Security on the case. Terrorism has been ruled out as a possible motive.

    Although the burglary occurred in the Verizon building, the stolen equipment belonged to some half-dozen other telecommunications companies that use the premises to house part of their operations. No Verizon customers were affected, a company official said.

    Dan Diaz Zapata, a spokesman for Verizon, said the building had many levels of security - from video cameras to security badges to on-site guards - and that the company was cooperating with local and federal authorities. Mr. Zapata said that Verizon had redundancy capabilities built into its system that would have prevented a theft of their own equipment from having such a wide impact.

    Mr. Jackson said that there had been a theft at the building once before, in 2003, and the police had reason to believe one of the two men involved Wednesday also took part in that operation. He would not elaborate on other details in that case. However, much less was stolen then.

    According to the complaint filed in Southern District of New York, the circuit boards ranged in value from $5,000 to $70,000 each and, all told, were worth in excess of $1 million. The plan was to deliver them to an unnamed co-conspirator who, in turn, planned to sell them to an unnamed company in California, according to the complaint.

    "There apparently is a strong, robust black market for this stuff," said a federal law enforcement official, who insisted on anonymity for fear of saying something that would compromise the investigation.

    There have been two other similar burglaries in New York City and New Jersey in recent years, according to Mr. Jackson. Those thefts were much smaller in scale.

    National Infrastructure Coordination Center of the Department of Homeland Security is also working with local police because of concern that the 911 system could be relatively easily compromised.

    After arresting the two men and photographing the stolen circuit panels, the police returned them to the companies that owned them. Once reinstalled, the 911 problems ended, and by 7 a.m. the system was back to normal, Mr. Jackson said.

    Police said the panels that were stolen were each about the size of a legal pad and are used by telecommunications companies to transmit data and connect calls. There is an industry standard for the panels and they can easily be transferred from one computer to another.

    Potential buyers of the panels on the black market range from small telecommunications companies to overseas clients, the police said.

    1. Re:ARTICLE TEXT: by legirons · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "They have been charged with conspiracy to commit interstate shipment of stolen property"

      Otherwise known as "whatever's necessary to make it a federal issue"?

    2. Re:ARTICLE TEXT: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully Homeland security deemed no terrorists were involved. Cause you know, that's exactly something they would do.

    3. Re:ARTICLE TEXT: by legirons · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Thankfully Homeland security deemed no terrorists were involved."

      Pure genius, that one. "Someone's stolen millions of dollars' worth of easily-sellable computer equipment. After extensive investigation, we decided that the motive was unlikely to be terrorism"

      In related news, a man found buying a newspaper is not thought to have been motivated by terrorism.

    4. Re:ARTICLE TEXT: by Tarwn · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the felony grand larceny and felony computer tampering charges they had already received?
      The fact that those charges were added later by the judge could mean a couple of things:
      1) They did the math and realized that there weren't anywhere near enough small startup telco's in NY to use all the parts
      2) More evidence was found showing that they had planned to sell it to a certain location, ie email, letters, whatever seized durting a search (that would have almost assuredly happened in a crime this size)
      3) As another poster said, moving that much specialized stolen equipment in the state it was stolen from would be stupid (to say the least). And while they were stupid to knock out the 911 system, they were in and out and almost on the road, so one mistake only caught them.

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    5. Re:ARTICLE TEXT: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When computer equipements are stolen, duck and cover.

  8. Serial number for components.... by mikael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For any telecommunications equipment used by the government and connected to the public telephone network, I would expect each component to have a network requestable serial number. That would quickly reduce the black market value for such components in a way similar to mobile phones

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    1. Re:Serial number for components.... by segmond · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      rubbish. do you think third world countries care? the black market doesn't exist in US for such products but in africa, asia and some parts of europe.

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    2. Re:Serial number for components.... by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      The entire SS7 switching infrastructure would have to be updated to support directly addressing individual boards. Not likely to happen.

      I'm still curious as to how they got past the guards, unless they had ID showing them to be from one of the telecoms colocating equipment there.

    3. Re:Serial number for components.... by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Depends on who their customers are. If their customers are legitamate businesses, then yes it will have an effect, however the article does not elaborate on who they were planning to sell them to, just "an unnamed company in California". They never really explain what the "circuit boards" even do really, other than they are used for some type of telecommunications. Maybe the thieves customers weren't exactly a legal company to begin with, or maybe they were not planning on using them but planning on selling them overseas(Maybe the items in question have export controls on them and various foriegn governments want to get their hands on them). This article is really lacking in detail, but we know that terrorism wasn't involved :P

    4. Re:Serial number for components.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA will you. This stuff was apparently stolen specifically with the intent of selling it to a company in California.

    5. Re:Serial number for components.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      the black market doesn't exist in US for such products

      RTFA, these boards were expected to be sold to an unamed company in California. And "There apparently is a strong, robust black market for this stuff," according to the federal law enforcement official in the article.

    6. Re:Serial number for components.... by mikael · · Score: 2, Informative

      Third world demand for stolen components seems to have tailed off, according to this article.

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    7. Re:Serial number for components.... by skids · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, boards generally have serial numbers and on all modern equipment (and even not-so-modern equipment of the carrier-class variety) it can be retrieved over the network management channels.

      ... by someone at the company using the stolen boards.

      No sane company allows outside access to their network management channels. So unless the serial numbers were kept on file by the victim (which isn't always the case, sometimes docs fall behind quite badly) and those serial numbers were published so publicly and so broadly that one of the 5-10 people at the company using the stolen property who had clearance to access the serial numbers became aware of them, AND that person made the decision to become a whistleblower...

      ...AND the thieves or recipients did not change the serial numbers in the PROMs...

      There's a lot that would need to happen for a company to get caught this way. If they were incredibly stupid and bought support contracts with the original vendor for the equipment (which they might do if they didn't know it was stolen,) the serial numbers might raise some alarms. Again, if the original vendor was informed and coordinated enough to connect the dots.

    8. Re:Serial number for components.... by flosofl · · Score: 1

      the black market doesn't exist in US

      You did read the article, right? Especially the part about them planning to sell to an unamed company in California?

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    9. Re:Serial number for components.... by 0racle · · Score: 1

      I don't think it takes much. I have heard so many stories, from reputable sources, of people just having Dell shirts on and saying they were here to remove some equipment for servicing, of course everyone who works there is more then happy to help. I've also seen equipment mysteriously disappear as if it sprouted legs of its own and walked out.

      Bottom line is that most 'secure' installations for networking/communications/IT equipment is secure in name only. Its just not all that hard to remove it.

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    10. Re:Serial number for components.... by chill · · Score: 2, Informative

      The manufacturer keeps the serial numbers. When I worked for Lucent installing equipment like this, all the boards had serial numbers.

      Anything purchased thru legit channels had the serial numbers recorded not only by the sales dept, but by the installing tech.

      Cards purchased thru E-Bay were most likely registered to someone else.

      There is a big market for older switching equipment components (ATM, Frame Relay, SS7, etc.) in Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America. What is obsolete or close to obsolete in Europe and N. America is just entering its prime in other markets.

      Serial numbers are network addressable (SNMP) though PROMs can be changed by those smart enough.

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    11. Re:Serial number for components.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so very true. I used to work for a company that monitored and serviced ATMs (thus the AC post). I went with the service techs on a few occasions and was surprised how easily we could gain access to the ATM, or even remove it, with very little question.

      That was years ago, and I'm sure people are a bit more suspicious these days. There is a fine line between healthy suspicion and paranoia. Problem is that most people are not paranoid, but totally oblivious to what is going on around them and the consequences of thier actions.

      This leads to companies having overly stringent security policies, such as visitors needing an escort at all times. Its a bit messed up to be a vendor and have to ask your client to escort you to the restroom as though you are a 4 year old. But, since most people don't pay attention to what is going on around them, companies have to put these policies in place.

    12. Re:Serial number for components.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Verizon are buying their equipments from black market?

    13. Re:Serial number for components.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For someone who allegedly serviced ATMs, you are not very clever, are you? As if posting AC on slashdot would hide your true identity.

  9. I heard crime was bad, but... by frugle · · Score: 3, Insightful
    roughly 25,000 people had lost 911 service.

    ...are there really that many calls for emergency assistance, or are they basing it on a people-per-exchange basis?

    and WHO do you call when 911 don't respond?

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    1. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by richie2000 · · Score: 5, Funny
      WHO do you call when 911 don't respond?

      Ghostbusters!

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    2. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by Kalak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      losing service in telephone terms does not mean that they're all calling at once. Probably an estimate based on the effected exchanges.

      When 911 is doWn, you just call your local police station - they do have a phone there after all. There was life before 911 - young whipper snapper

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    3. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by ccharles · · Score: 1

      That's how many people lost service, not how many calls were lost.

      25 000 people would have been unable to call 911 had they needed to; the article doesn't seem to say if/how many actual calls were missed.

    4. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You rock.

    5. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by strredwolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Local police stations have individual normal phone numbers, and some districts have 311 for nonemergency police. All they had to do was call the local station, have them get out there.

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    6. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by jm92956n · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When 911 is doWn, you just call your local police station - they do have a phone there after all.

      They may have a phone, but they often won't pick it up. In my city (New York City), very few precincts will answer their phones; they simply don't have the available manpower to answer repititive mundane questions. They will, however, respond to questions asked in person, but most people aren't willing to invest 10 or 15 minutes of their time to go out to the precinct.

      Serious emergencies are all dealt with through 911. Non-emergency police matters (blocked driveway, illegally parked car, noise complaint) are routed to the city's 311 call center.

      Most residents don't even know what precinct they live in (and there are close to 150 throughout the city), and it's impossible to know what precincts cover what areas. If, for instance, you're driving in an area that you're unfamiliar with, and you have an emergency, figuring out the proper precinct can be a delay of numerous minutes.

      Your small-town centric post is disturbing: in a large city, the 911 system is extremely important.

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    7. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you can still call the local police station directly. They do have regular numbers there, you know...

    8. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by legirons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "WHO do you call when 911 don't respond?"

      Call anyone you like - Echelon will still be listening...

    9. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by Kalak · · Score: 1

      I didn't say 911 wasn't important, but merely pointed out that there was another way, in a joking manner. You know that "whipper snapper" in my post? Kids these days, once upon a time we used 300 baud modems - and we liked it!

      "small town centric"? How about your NYC centric? I've lived in both small towns and cities w/o 311, in the slums, and out. Being a Navy brat, then finally having the Chief retiring can do that to you. If you want to tell them 911 is down, then there is another way. You ever try to find the single on duty cop in a rural area? How about finding a cop that gives a damn in the slums of Norfolk? I thought not. If you don't know where your precinct is, then you probably know where you can find a cop and see if they know about the outage already. I hear they have radios now, and can talk to each other, and can probably tell you if they know it's down. It's not like he said how do you handle an emergency w/o 911.

      Stop accusing others of being centric if you're doing it yourself.

      (I should have known better than to make a not 100% verifable, backed up by research from all corners of the world lighthearted comment at Slashdot. Probably be modded down for a typo)

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    10. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      and WHO do you call when 911 don't respond?

      So very obvious. You call the operator. Now, the operator will do whatever is necessary to put you through, and at the same time, you've notified the local phone company that 911 service isn't working.
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    11. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by Agret · · Score: 1

      and WHO do you call when 911 don't respond?
      Microsoft?

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    12. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by austad · · Score: 1

      Which is almost impossible in Minneapolis. I needed to call the police for something (a lock being broken on my house when I was gone). It wasn't an emergency, so I didn't want to call 911. I finally found the number to the police dept, got transferred a bunch of times via an automated phone system, and the person I finally go ahold of after 15 mins told me to just call 911.

      I think the best thing to do if 911 went away would be to call the operator. They at least have some access to do funky things to get a call through. And by that time, you've talked to someone, they know your situation, and can find help. You can't very well use the phone book or automated menus when you're dead.

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    13. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by illumin8 · · Score: 1

      So very obvious. You call the operator. Now, the operator will do whatever is necessary to put you through, and at the same time, you've notified the local phone company that 911 service isn't working.

      I don't suppose you've tried to call the operator any time in the last 10 years or so... because if you had you would have realized that dialing 0 doesn't get you a person... It usually gets you a pre-recorded message that basically says "bugger off"... I suppose all of the operators were downsized years ago.

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    14. Re:I heard crime was bad, but... by evilviper · · Score: 1
      I don't suppose you've tried to call the operator any time in the last 10 years or so... because if you had you would have realized that dialing 0 doesn't get you a person...

      It hasn't been long since I last dialed the operator, and I still get a person. Where are you trying this exactly?
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  10. Amazing disregard for others... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I'm aware these two are criminals and their only real motive is a pretty solid 6-digit paycheck, but it takes a considerable lack of conscience to pull off such a stunt.

    They likely weren't aware that this affected the 911 systems, but if they were, you're dealing with someone who really does live for the almighty dollar and lets the consequences be damned. Kind of scary.

    1. Re:Amazing disregard for others... by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, it's a perfect half-assed plot.

      "What'll we do if someone figures out we're here?"

      "Nothing, who are they going to call anyway? We're taking down 911!"

      "That's brilliant!"

      Heh heh.

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    2. Re:Amazing disregard for others... by Alsee · · Score: 1

      What are we going to do tomorrow night?
      NARF!

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  11. Who ya gonna call? by PMJ2kx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ghostbusters!

  12. ARTICLE TEXT by Zorilla · · Score: 1

    Tip: Save time by hitting the return key instead of clicking on "search"

    Sorry, no information is available for the URL www.nytimes.com/2004/11/27/nyregion/27theft.html

    If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: www.nytimes.com/2004/11/27/nyregion/27theft.html
    Find web pages that contain the term "www.nytimes.com/2004/11/27/nyregion/27theft.html"

    (Yeah, I didn't feel like checking my post either)

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    1. Re:ARTICLE TEXT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are trying to make fun of the parent post, but... It looks like nytimes is checking the referer header. So you _have_ to give a link to the Google search page, and then click through.

      Try copy and pasting the URL to nytimes yourself to see.

  13. The old masters by stimpleton · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Interesting that someone wishes to steal this stuff.
    Doubly interesting that theres obviously a market for this equipment.
    Is it analgous to the theft of The Scream? Authorities must have a fair idea of the potential recipients from the get go. Be it international or not.

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    1. Re:The old masters by LeBlanc_Joey · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the equipment is usefull for phone-sex hotlines or somethign similar.

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    2. Re:The old masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two people could carry boxes that had > $1 Million dollars worth of standardized parts that any number of telecom. companies could use... Its the technological equivalent of a gold brick sitting on the windowsill.

  14. Verizon Tenants are Not Customers? by wol · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Although the burglary occurred in the Verizon building, the stolen equipment belonged to some half-dozen other telecommunications companies that use the premises to house part of their operations. No Verizon customers were affected, a company official said."

    Does this mean that the telecommunications companies using the Verizon premises are not Verizon customers? Is that what it says on the rent check?

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    1. Re:Verizon Tenants are Not Customers? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yes ... according to current law telecom companies are required to open their circuits to competition. That's how DSL gets provided from organizations other than your local Baby Bell. The Bells hate that, of course, because they really don't see why they shouldn't have sole control of their lines. And I suppose that wouldn't be a problem if they didn't invariably abuse that control to the consumer's detriment. I live in an area "serviced" by SBC, arguably the worse Baby Bell in existence, and until Comcast (well, originally AT&T) came along offering reasonably-priced phone service they jacked us around royally. They're still jerks: I moved recently and was forced to drop my Comcast service and go back to SBC. I was told when I called to set up my service that it would be about $40 to connect up, since the house was already fully wired. Somehow the first bill came out to about $300, not counting the actual phone service for that month. Unbelievable.

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    2. Re:Verizon Tenants are Not Customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, its called co-location.

    3. Re:Verizon Tenants are Not Customers? by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

      More to the point, there were most likely two entrances, one marked "Verizon" and one marked "CLEC". Dollars to donuts, the security on the Verizon entrance was good, the security on the CLEC entrance consisted of something like a cipher lock or a 4-digit combo lock. All the world and their best friends know the combination.

      Maybe not, but I've been in places where that was the way security was handled, because it's the only way to make sure everyone who needs it has access. The risk of theft isn't that great, vandalism is what they're trying to prevent

  15. Google cache of article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  16. Re:And... by Beeeeeep · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Hey moron! T-Mobile is owned by Verizon.

  17. Could they be looking at possible murder charges? by mc6809e · · Score: 2, Interesting


    If someone died as a result of not having 911 services, these guys could be in even bigger trouble.

  18. Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's stealing the 911 machine! Call 911!

  19. dropped boards? by xOleanderx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The men dropped the stolen boxes, fled on foot and were eventually run down by the officer and arrested, Mr. Jackson said." Wait... they had them in boxes and when the officer showed up they dropped them?? It doesnt mention any of them being damaged...

    1. Re:dropped boards? by srleffler · · Score: 1

      Telecomm equipment is designed to be pretty robust. Passing the qualification standards is a PITA.

  20. Re:And... by rekoil · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Wrong. T-Mobile is a division of Deutche Telekom.

  21. thank fucking god... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "The police are working with the F.B.I. and the Department of Homeland Security on the case. Terrorism has been ruled out as a possible motive."

    at least it wasn't terrorists. i mean oh my fucking god what if it was terrorists taking out our 911 system. i mean the cruelty, given that they flew airplanes into some big ugly buildings of ours killing oh like 3000 people on 9/11. i mean, it's not like we haven't killed hundreds of thousands of people "for" it by now.

    thank god, tom ridge was on the case, and made sure it wasn't terrorists. thank fucking god.

    the real question is, how is the case any different if it was terrorists? why should it be? besides the fact they've lost all legal rights according to ashcroft et. al.?

    1. Re:thank fucking god... by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was so obviously not terrorists. I mean, come on, the guys were stealing stuff. If they were terrorists, they'd have just blown themselves up when they got next to the boards in the building.

      Hey look, a snake! Oh, sorry, I guess it was just a plain rope.

      (It's pissing me off too that every time someone yells fire there's immediately a discussion about whether or not the fire is terrorism, and when it turns out there's no fire, whether or not the person yelling fire is a terrorist. Jeez, we had regular crime before 9/11, we still have it)

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    2. Re:thank fucking god... by CrackerJack9 · · Score: 1

      Terrorists need money to buy explosives and fake passports...stolen property can be sold for money without having to have paid for it...they were going to be sold on the black market...more than likely sold to a second-world country...

      Of course I'm not saying they were terrorsits, I obviously have way too little information to make such an ascertion...but to put those pieces together and think there is no way they can be terrorists, that's just plain ignorance.

    3. Re:thank fucking god... by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 1

      Terrorists need money to buy explosives and fake passports...stolen property can be sold for money without having to have paid for it...they were going to be sold on the black market...more than likely sold to a second-world country...

      Which they typically get from a sponsoring government.

      Of course I'm not saying they were terrorsits, I obviously have way too little information to make such an ascertion...but to put those pieces together and think there is no way they can be terrorists, that's just plain ignorance.

      Um, you picked the word, not I.

      In any case, what I was objecting to was that they made this big deal about "it's not terrorists". Why? Why does every time something happen we first figure out if it's terrorists, and *then* get on the real problem? Not only is it just more scaredy-cat press, it's inefficient because the first step taken for 99% of crimes committed in this country is a wasted step. Instead, if the investigation should point to terrorism, then it's a valid question to ask.

      Not that I've ever done any investigative work, it just seems procedurally inefficient to ask the same question for everything, knowing that 99% of the time the question is irrelevant to the case.

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    4. Re:thank fucking god... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Them's dangerous words.. terrorist words.

      =P

    5. Re:thank fucking god... by CrackerJack9 · · Score: 1

      Which they typically get from a sponsoring government.

      Let's review, typically means not all the time...hmmmm, this touches on the difference between probable and possible. I'm saying it's possible, and you're dismissing it because it's not probable.

      O/Usama Bin Laden makes millions, if not billions, from the black market--opium, etc... but then maybe you don't think he's a good example of a terrorist...


      Um, you picked the word, not I.

      Unless Slashdot is playing tricks on me again, I thought I replied to what you originally said.
      I know the article used the word "terrorist" (I'm assuming that's 'the word' you're referring too?), and I know you did too in your post; that's the one I replied to...thinking it would be relevant--yes, I used the word too. If that's not the word you're referring too, then I'm just lost.

      The rest of your last post is funny. Usually you start the investigation off assuming you have a criminal, right? Then try to prove or disprove who and what the criminal is and what they did or did not do? Just a guess, but you'd have to start with something, evidence or a hunch...granted they didn't find any evidence saying they were terrorists (since they say in the article that they don't think they are terrorists), but with the DoHS and the FBI involved, I don't think it's entirely inefficient to rule out terrorism...especially because they did destroy life-saving infrastructure (911) and communications within the U.S. (not exactly the first target you might expect to be hit by terrorists, but it certainly wouldn't be ignorant to think they might).

      And yes, I'd hope the mugging that happened to Joe Schmoe isn't taken to the FBI and I would certainly hope there isn't a newspaper article with headlines, "Mugger has no ties to terrorism" (although the thought of a mugger jumping out from a dark alley would certainly constitute terror...but that's another issue all-together).

    6. Re:thank fucking god... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rather reminds me of the whole Communist freak out of the 50s and early 60s. In the bomb shelter days. Where everything bad in the world was the direct result of Communism. You have a collective group of jack asses connecting anything and everything to terrorism. Software piracy has been linked to terrorism! Drugs have been linked to terrorism! SUVs have been linked to terrorism! Half Life 2 was distributed on the Internet prior to it being released by...GASP...TERRORISTS!!!!

    7. Re:thank fucking god... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but thanks to Asscroft, everyone should now be considered a terrorist until proven otherwise.

  22. Verizon's security system by yorkpaddy · · Score: 4, Funny
    Dan Diaz Zapata, a spokesman for Verizon, said the building had many levels of security - from video cameras to security badges to on-site guards -
    and a sign that says "hey steal the other TelCo's stuff, we left the door unlocked for you"
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  23. Bugmenot by Rightcoast · · Score: 1

    Use bugmenot's firefox extension and avoid time wasting forms. http://bugmenot.com/

  24. Links To NYT by klausner · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why does /. even allow links to sites like the NY Times which require PITA registration? A moments search on Google or Google News almost always turns up unrestricted options. Try the NY Post for this story.

    1. Re:Links To NYT by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Try the NY Post for this story.

      I wouldn't use the Post to wrap a fish. It's an incredibly lousy paper. Hell, even with all the bonehead things the NY Times has done lately, it's still a million times more credible than the Post. And what's the big deal about registering? Do it once, you don't have to give any information, it's not like afterwards the Times editors lurk out behind your house peering in windows.

    2. Re:Links To NYT by fishdan · · Score: 1
      Bug Me Not should have stopped all this complaining about the NYT and other registrations. The firefox 1.0 plugin is exceptional. You Right click on the user/password field, chose "bug me not" and you are logged in.

      People who don't like having to register should REALLY like this, because it makes it less meaningful for sites to have these stupid registrations. So don't bitch -- use Bug Me Not and fight the system.

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    3. Re:Links To NYT by klausner · · Score: 1

      Bug Me Not is nice, but why encourage traffic to the offending sites at all? There are at least 120 alternatives for this article.

    4. Re:Links To NYT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how typical a comment from /. readers. The reason why the NYT is quoted and not the NY Post is /. is basically a bunch of commie leftwingers who consider the Times a daily gospel. Would you expect elitist geeks to read something other than the elitist rag in the country?

      And remember moderators - calling someone what they are - leftwing or liberal - is not an insult or flamebait.. unless of course they are embarrased to admit it.

  25. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    finally someone talking some sense in this chat room

  26. ho man... by Fishstick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Federal conspiracy charges were filed in White Plains yesterday against two men whose alleged attempt to steal 150 circuit boards from a Verizon building Wednesday night disrupted 911 emergency service across the county for about seven hours.

    oops - I'm sure they weren't interested in disrupting 911 service across state lines to make it a Federal "conspiracy" charge. Sounds like they will be made an example of and will likely end up in federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison.

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    1. Re:ho man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samir: I don't want to go to ANY prison!

    2. Re:ho man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To bypass security and to know that these particular panels were in use at this location means it was most likely a conspiracy. The fact that they were transporting the goods to CA from NY means the Feds are definately involved.

  27. FBI is full of anonymous cowards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "There apparently is a strong, robust black market for this stuff," said a federal law enforcement official, who insisted on anonymity for fear of saying something that would compromise the investigation.

    Maybe I'm confused here, but how does giving your name out compromise the investigation? I'm tired of all these federal officials who insist on being anonymous and hidden. Shouldn't LEO's be forthright and honest?

    1. Re:FBI is full of anonymous cowards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That line in the article was rather badly worded. It was probably trying to say that the official requested anonymity because they weren't supposed to be releasing any information to the press.
      In other words, "I'll tell you what I'm not supposed to tell you, but don't say that it was me who told you!"

    2. Re:FBI is full of anonymous cowards by cnj · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the official is not afraid that providing its name would compromise the investigation (unless the official in question operated undercover, which is not the impression I got). I'm pretty sure the official is afraid of letting its tonque slip at some point during the interview and did not want its name to be published if it did, thus getting into trouble with superiors. This way, if anything got said that shouldn't have, the AC has a chance at avoiding blame.

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    3. Re:FBI is full of anonymous cowards by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      "I'm tired of all these federal officials who insist on being anonymous and hidden."

      was this said in jest, since you posted AC? ^_^

  28. Terrorism? by ColdZero · · Score: 0

    "The police are working with the F.B.I. and the Department of Homeland Security on the case. Terrorism has been ruled out as a possible motive."

    It seems to be absolutely ridiculous that terrorism should even be mentioned as a cause. It was already stated that the boards were worth a chunk of money and were going to be sold. Thank god terrorism has been removed as a possible cause. Why can nobody just steal stuff to make money anymore?

  29. Re:And... by Beeeeeep · · Score: 0

    You have to follow the twisted money trail. A little effort and research unveils a wealth of information about this. This page directly says, and I quote: "Verizon(VZ) ... which owns T-Mobile"

  30. Re:Could they be looking at possible murder charge by edrugtrader · · Score: 0, Insightful

    man slaughter 2 at most.

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  31. Run down: by reality-bytes · · Score: 5, Funny


    The men dropped the stolen boxes, fled on foot and were eventually run down by the officer and arrested, Mr. Jackson said.


    I know its an American saying but in (British) English, that would imply mowing them down with the patrol-car.

    I'd have to say 'Fair Play' to that ;)
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    1. Re:Run down: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, unlike British cops, American cops have guns, so they just shoot them. Saves having to clean up all he blood off the patrol-car.

    2. Re:Run down: by jrockway · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing, and I'm an American. I have to say it's a pretty funny image, though...

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      My other car is first.
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  32. What kinds of cards are they / where to find? by Lotus30338 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most computer items of any price are for sale on ebay (even very expensive network switches and routers). What kind of cards were these and the one in NYC? I assume they are re-selling to other telcos. Wonder why you never see them on ebay.

    1. Re:What kinds of cards are they / where to find? by bob+beta · · Score: 1

      Telecom switching hardware. Not computer boards or networking equipment. It's a separate category. I sold a few telephone switches on eBay last summer (they had been abandoned at the dumpster at a local auction house by someone who must have gotten them in a big lot of stuff, and since they weren't easy-to-understand consumer electronics, the numbskull bidder pitched them).

  33. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta read it all the way through friend: "BellSouth (BLS) and SBC (SBC), which co-own Cingular, will release their earnings next week. Verizon (VZ), which co-owns Verizon Wireless with Vodafone (VOD), is on tap to report earnings on Oct. 28. And Deutsche Telekom, which owns T-Mobile, is scheduled to report its latest results in November."

  34. Re:Could they be looking at possible murder charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why the mod down? he's exactly right.

  35. Re:Could they be looking at possible murder charge by realdpk · · Score: 1

    Hopefully not murder.

    You could then say that if someone in the office spilled a drink on the board, fried it knocking out 911, that they were now subject to murder charges.

    Of course, my counter argument would be that if 911 was so important, why didn't the government protect it better? Come on, putting it all in one office? Unmanned?

  36. what a BULLSHIT by rasz · · Score: 1

    > conspiracy to commit interstate shipment of stolen property
    >Terrorism has been ruled out as a possible motive.

    You people live in a one big lie, dont you ? There were two thieves, they stole something, and all you can read is "this was not a terrorist act THIS TIME", but it was a "conspiracy"! And "interstate shipment"! ... So this Verizon building is exactly on the state border ? They got cauched at the door - whers this shipment and conspiracy ?

    1. Re:what a BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aparently the poilce know more than you do. They admited they were going to sell them to someone in another state. Thats why it's called "conspiracy to commit" they didn't have to do it to be part of a conspiracy that intended to do it.

    2. Re:what a BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well thank God they got cauched huh?

      And "whers the shipment & conspiracy?" A 3rd defendent (not yet named) was scheduled to pick up the equipment and send it to a company in California. Or did you not even bother to RTFA?

    3. Re:what a BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CONSPIRACY - 18 U.S.C. 371 makes it a separate Federal crime or offense for anyone to conspire or agree with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another Federal crime or offense. So, under this law, a 'conspiracy' is an agreement or a kind of 'partnership' in criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member. (http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c103.htm)

      If you, myself, and CowboyNeal all agreed to rob a train (a Federal crime) we would be guilty of conspiracy.

      Conspiracy is just "agreement to commit a crime" and doesn't have quite as many implications as people tend to beleive.

      As far as Interstate Shipment of Stolen Goods goes, they stole goods and intended to ship them to California (as per the FA) hence the Conspiracy charge (since this would be a Federal crime under the Interstate Commerce jurisdistion of the Federal government.)

      Hope that helps.

    4. Re:what a BULLSHIT by DupyMcCopy · · Score: 1

      wait, You when are we going to rob that train again.

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    5. Re:what a BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a see suspicious activities by anybody, 911 is the immediate # that would popup in my mind. Assuming terrorism is present, blocking 911 would have been perfect to launch an internal nuclear attack, smuggle some uranium or as simply as missing a terrorist suspect whose pictures have been posted in a terminal. it's common sense, not bull shit

    6. Re:what a BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      conspiracy to commit.. basicly means a bunch of guys got together and planned it out. The equipment never left the property so i doubt you can even get them for robbery, mabey without that, all these guys where looking at was attempted grand theft and resisting arrest.

      [law & order] mabey the feds just want to use the charge to scare the 2 into giving up the other people involved, and mabey take a chunk out of the blackmarket or get to the buyer [/law & order]

  37. Specifics! by natas802 · · Score: 1

    I'd like to hear some specifics on exactly what kind of "circuit boards" they were stealing. Give us telecom nerds the details!

    1. Re:Specifics! by dsmey · · Score: 5, Informative

      from anonymous sources:

      (4 ea) ws-x4515
      (6 ea) ws-x6724-sfp
      (5 ea) ws-f6700-cfc
      (10 ea) ws-sup720
      (10 ea) ws-f6k-pfc3a
      (8 ea) ws-x6704-10ge
      (32 ea) xenpak 10000mbps 802.3 line cards

    2. Re:Specifics! by thenewcloo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      what the?

    3. Re:Specifics! by PatJensen · · Score: 1

      I'd hope Cisco Catalyst 6500s weren't processing 911 calls..

    4. Re:Specifics! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. DS3s and OC-X circuits were also hit, plus several carriers, not just one person with a Cisco Catalyst.

      Besides, it's primarily a telecom switching facility, there are hardly any IP carriers in that building to justify that big of a GE deployment.

  38. Re:And... by pertinax18 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Verizon != Verizon Wireless, if equipment is stolen from the White Plains Verizon office, it will have nothing to do with cell phone service.

  39. That's different by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Funny

    The reason they could be hit with murder charges is that, if in the comission of a felony someone dies as a result, you are guilty of murder. So if you rob a store with guns, the police show up and shoot your partner, you are guilty of murder since your comission of the felony was the proximate cause of the death.

    Not all states have laws like that, but many do. Since they were comitting a felony, they could be charged.

    Now someone who spills coffee on the boards by accident isn't comitting a felony, they are making a mistake. The most they could be charged with is manslaghuter for gross neglience (since there is no situation where liquids should be anywhere near the equipment) however in all likelyhood they'd not be charged, just fired by the company and sued by the victim's family.

    1. Re:That's different by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Why is it, then, that when a police officer murders someone, in the line of duty, and it turns out they shouldn't have (and perhaps shouldn't have even been raiding that building or whatever), they're not guilty of murder?

    2. Re:That's different by bob+beta · · Score: 1

      Can you cite a few specific examples of this?

    3. Re:That's different by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      Already covered in the post.

      Now someone who spills coffee on the boards by accident isn't comitting a felony, they are making a mistake. The most they could be charged with is manslaghuter for gross neglience (since there is no situation where liquids should be anywhere near the equipment) however in all likelyhood they'd not be charged, just fired by the company and sued by the victim's family.

      If the cops accidentially raid the wrong building, it's a mistake, not a felony.

    4. Re:That's different by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why is it, then, that when a police officer murders someone, in the line of duty, and it turns out they shouldn't have (and perhaps shouldn't have even been raiding that building or whatever), they're not guilty of murder?

      You don't quite seem to understand the definition of "murder". Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. Police are authorized to use deadly force if the situation warrants, therefore it isn't automatically "murder" just because someone died. If they kill someone in a situation where they "shouldn't have", e.g. a drunk points a toy gun at him in a dark alley, the fact that it appeared to be a life-threatening situation is a mitigating circumstance that would generally cause it to be considered "not murder".

      Now, if in a fit of rage a cop pulls his gun and shoots the guy behind the counter at Starbucks because his latte is cold, that'd probably be murder.

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    5. Re:That's different by realdpk · · Score: 1

      That's not the situation I'm thinking of. The particular situation I'm thinking of is when the police shot a man who was walking away from them, not threatening them. Walking, facing away, didn't turn around or anything. How is that not murder? (Someone videotaped it happening, but I can't find the video at the moment)

    6. Re:That's different by frost22 · · Score: 1
      Can you cite a few specific examples of this?


      New York cops alone seem to be pretty expert at this sport. Just go reading the papers, they get one or two a year. There was the kid who went to go to the next builing across the roof. Happened to meet officer in stairs to roof: Officer scared, kid dead.

      There was the african immigrant who happened to open his own appartment door with his own keys. Four civilian officers managed to pump a shitload of bullets into him. Turns out later, hes unarmed and not the guy they were looking for, anyway.

      If you go away fro m NY, there was the lady cop who killed an already handcuffed and subdued kuy in a police car with a point black shot beacuse he was maklinmg too much noise (she later claimed she only wanted to use her stun gun on him)

      There were those four courages cops who were called by the friends of a black teenage girl whose car had broken down in a bad neighbourhood. She locked herself into her car, put a gun she had on her lap and waited for help. Trouble is, she fell asleep. Cops come, surround her locked car, wake her up and empty all ther magaziones into her.

      Etc Etc...

      The real bad thing isnt even that things like that happen. Given enough people and time, anything will happen. The bad thing abvout the US is that all those cops involved walked away free afterwards. No crimninal negligence, first or second degree murder, manslaughter, assault or whatever. They didn't even get fired by the police.

      The US of A mostly condones and suppports the occasional killing of a black person.
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    7. Re:That's different by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      That's not the situation I'm thinking of. The particular situation I'm thinking of is when the police shot a man who was walking away from them, not threatening them. Walking, facing away, didn't turn around or anything. How is that not murder?

      I couldn't tell you. Without reading the IAD report I don't know the particular circumstances. I do know that police aren't required to let a dangerous felon wander away just because their back is turned and they're not running. They also don't have to wait until their own lives are in immediate danger before firing. What it comes down to is that it's only murder if the police officer firing can't come up with a plausible story as to why he thought non-deadly force would not be adequate. Third party video isn't a perfect witness. It frequently doesn't show the circumstances leading up to the incident and almost never shows the situation from the POV of any of the actual participants. The man walking away and shot in the back may have been murdered, but those two facts alone do not automatically make it so.

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    8. Re:That's different by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know video isn't perfect, but damn. If I could find this video I'd love to post it. It clearly shows a guy walking away from the police, about 8 of them, and the guy was clearly not a threat. The video was taken from behind all of them. The general consensus by all that witnessed it (lots) was that it was unjustified. Damn I wish I could find it. :)

  40. Re:Could they be looking at possible murder charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you read the moderation score before posting. You sound like a bloody idiot. His starting score is -1, with an Informative boost to 0.

    So STFU!

  41. Often security isn't what we'd wish by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    About 10 years ago I got a tour of the Tellus facility in Alberta, at that time Alberta Government Telephone. My uncle was one of the senior telcom engineers there so he arranged the whole thing. Security was fairly impressive going through the front, getting checked in and our visitor badges and everything. However, as we were walking around, he opened a door to the alley and noted often people would prop it open so they could duck out and back in.

    This i, unfortunately, often the case. Security is well intentioned, but isn't completely thought through and has holes in it. Also, you'd be amazed what social engineering and some confidence can get you. If you act like you are supposed to be somewhere, it's amazing how peopel will just assume you are.

    A couple years ago I was working for network operations on campus and we were upgrading the speed of building links, which involved a swap of the media converters. Most buildings we just go and get access to the room with our keys, since it's a dedicated room. However for the campus police, it's back in the 911 room with the other equipment. So when we went the staff member (I was a student) had his telcom ID and we both had university ID and driver licenses. The manager was by the phone if a verification call was needed.

    We walked into the lobby, and it looked to be quite a secure location. All the doors were locked, all the glass was bulletproof. We went over to the window for the 911 call centre and told them we were form telecom and needed to get at the network gear. They said "ok" and let us in, took us to the closet, let us in there, and left us alone with all the 911 gear (and our switch). No ID was checked.

    1. Re:Often security isn't what we'd wish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because biometric cameras identified your face when you walked into the lobby, and the 911 room could see on their monitors that you were expected to show up at that time of the day. But now that you had to open your big mouth about it here on slashdot, the government will have to remotivate you with a little brain rehabilitation in the dark room.

  42. certinaly not pros. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well these guys are certinaly not "pros" the proper response would have been to stop, look around like your clueless. Then after saying hello to the officer nicely, while acting slightly confused about his presence, assure him that you know about the problem but didn't know it was effecting 911. Then say I guess I got hurry up and get back to working on it. Explain a solar flare caused a power surge and now your having to replace the circuits... and you decided to take them to the offsite storage facility to make sure you get the correct replacements.

  43. Re:Could they be looking at possible murder charge by Kalak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Think of it as the difference between arson on an abandoned warehouse catching the security guard, or the homeless man, versus leaving the stove on by accident. One is an accident, one is a crime. I hope a crime that causes additional harm means more severe charges.

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  44. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you'd actually got off your lazy ass and put the {br} tabs in, so it didn't end up as a SINGLE DAMN UNREADABLE PARAGRAPH, I might have believed you weren't karma whoring.

  45. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that's what I call the geek version of the story!

  46. Scary! by moosesocks · · Score: 3, Informative

    This article scares the hell out of me. Not because some dudes broke into a building and stole some stuff -- that's to be expected. It's because removing a few isolated pieces of equipment managed to paralyze the county's 911 system. Seriously -- do they actually run tests to see what happens if they pull the plug?

    The rule for redundancy is that you've gotta have the equipment in more than one place. The redundant equipment shouldn't have been in the same building, let alone the same town.

    A few years ago, an underground steam explosion knocked out the main phone and power stations for my area (both of which were stupidly placed smack next to each other). Because of the way the network was designed, phone service was not interrupted at all and the power went out for about 10 minutes. This was from an explosion which completely severed the connections to both buildings. THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD WORK.

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    1. Re:Scary! by evilviper · · Score: 3, Insightful
      removing a few isolated pieces of equipment managed to paralyze the county's 911 system.

      Yes, removing 150 pieces of equipment.

      Break-in to a telco center and cut all the wires, you'll get the same effect.

      Hardly surprising.
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    2. Re:Scary! by jesterzog · · Score: 1

      Without knowing the details, I have mixed feelings. Technically by that argument, you'd need redundancy with the cables running into somebody's house, or into each street (however obscure). Otherwise their emergency services might be cut off if someone cut a phone line. It's more of an issue of whereabouts to draw the line on building in redundancy.

      On the more positive side, for instance, the entire country, state or city wasn't cut off --- 25,000 people were. I definitely agree that 25,000 people is a large number and quite disturbing, but without having more details on how the whole system is wired up, I'd be reluctant to assign too much blame to the system at this point. Hopefully there's an investigation, and it's fixed if it needs to be.

    3. Re:Scary! by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1
      Ever been in a central office? 150 pieces of equipment is indeed isolated. In my (fairly small town) central office there are probably half a million pieces of equipment. And yes, they leave the back door open sometimes.

      If you can, arrange a tour of your nearest central office. They're hard to get but it can be done. Start counting pieces of equipment. You'll probably lose count somewhere around 37,108 when the tour guide asks you what you're doing staring at the frame.

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    4. Re:Scary! by evilviper · · Score: 1

      If you are stealing the same component from every different system that you can find, you're guaranteed to defeat all redundancy, and cause a problem.

      If a company has 150 mainframes, and you go around stealing 150 power supplies, well, there's bound to be service outages.

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    5. Re:Scary! by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but the point of redundancy is not to put the equipment in THE SAME FREAKING ROOM, let alone the same building or town.

      If something happened to that building such as a fire/flood/terrorism (God forbid), the entire county would be screwed.

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  47. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon Wireless has to terminate their traffic on the PSTN somewhere, why not at a Tandem office?

  48. Using 911 to hype the story? by telemonster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd be willing to bet they were stealing line cards from CLEC coloc chassis, which would totally kill the phone/DSL service from the CLEC's clients. Instead of saynig "25,000 people lost phone service" I'm guessing they said "25,000 people lost access to 911, which meant they could have DIED!"

    Too bad there aren't more tech details.

    And I guess the people from NYT haven't tried to sell this type of equipment. Given the gluttony of .bombs, the market is fairly flooded with carrier gear. Unless it's zero day goods, the value on this crap drops like a rock.

    PS: Portmaster 4 for sale, contact me off list.

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    1. Re:Using 911 to hype the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article says no Verizon customers were affected. It was only CLECs who were affected.

      One of the negatives of cageless collocation in a central office. Anyone with general access to the CO can mess with your equipment.

  49. Morons. Wrong crime to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Identity theft would have been safer and more profitable. Get credit cards in names of wealthy people, grab the cash advances, and retire in Bimini.

  50. Dead Fish by klausner · · Score: 1
    OK, I just chose a source at random. Don't get offended. There are 120 others. Take your pick.

    As for registration, can you spell P-R-I-N-C-I-P-A-L? There are enough other annoyances in life. Why put up with the avoidable ones?

    1. Re:Dead Fish by bob+beta · · Score: 1

      I can spell principle better than you, obviously. So can the grandparent commenter, I would guess.

  51. and don't forget... by bani · · Score: 1

    (2 ea) 5 years federal pen

  52. Dial 911 and die.... by sadomikeyism · · Score: 3, Interesting
    it takes a considerable lack of conscience to pull off such a stunt

    Their disregard for others is only matched by political buffoons who disarm law abiding citizens and expect them to survive criminal incidents long enough to call 911 and wait for cops to get off their donut laden fat asses to come do their public servant pay grade jobs.

    What is so surprising about this incident is that cops actually showed up in time to catch the perpetrators. I guess that multi-thousand dollar circuit boards are more important than human lives to the cops as well.

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    1. Re:Dial 911 and die.... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Yep, no doubt....

      The police and their methods of handling crime are pathetic, from what I've personally observed.

      EG. Wife took my modded sports car with custom stereo equipment, etc. etc. and during our divorce, proceeded to forge my signature on the title (was never titled in her name) and sold it. After nearly 6 months of complaining and making phone calls, I have yet to get anyone to see this as a criminal act worth pursuing! The local cops basically laughed at me, saying "Sucks to be you! But if your wife took it, it's not stolen. Only a civil case. Sorry." and went back to their donuts or whatever.

      The prosecutor won't look into it because "We can't start ANY investigations without having a police report first."

      So, thanks to this little "catch 22" and unwillingness of the police to bother with an investigation, I'm out a $35,000 or so car and forgery of a vehicle title goes unprosecuted. (To add insult to injury, the state sent me a personal property tax bill for the car, due by the end of December.)

    2. Re:Dial 911 and die.... by mdfst13 · · Score: 1

      "What is so surprising about this incident is that cops actually showed up in time to catch the perpetrators."

      Why is that surprising? It's not like they were getting any other calls...the 911 system was down. I've been at donut shops, etc. when cops have gotten a call; they don't wait around. Generally, when cops have high response times, it is because there are multiple crimes to which to respond. Want lower response times, pay for more cops.

    3. Re:Dial 911 and die.... by sadomikeyism · · Score: 1

      How about no response times? My Smith & Wesson does a much better job, thanks. It doesn't suffer power outages, and it only runs outta ammo when I run outta perps... It doesn't go on strike, whine about overtime, refuse to report, need a pension, or hang out in donut shops. It doesn't confiscate taxes from me either.

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    4. Re:Dial 911 and die.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, it'll also garner you charges of manslaughter and possibly even premeditated murder if you set out to be a vigilante. Better check your thoughts.

  53. Criminals are idiots by Linuxathome · · Score: 1

    Apparently from the story, one of the criminals was probably involved in a previous heist at the same location. He was so greedy, he had to try and "double dip" and paid the biggest price for it. Now he's caught red handed--I'd like to see him weasel his way out of this.

    1. Re:Criminals are idiots by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      I imagine the "biggest price" would be if the cops had gunned him down. Getting 3 meals a day and free cable for x years can't be too bad, assuming he can make someone else his bitch instead of the other way around.

  54. Re:ARTICLE TEXT: I have mod points right now... by b1scuit · · Score: 1

    ...but you know just as well as I do that the chances of those guys moving a million dollars worth of hot, specialized telco electronics solely in the state of New York is next to nil. It's not like they stole dvd players. Besides, isn't there a federal law regarding the availability of 911 service? At the minimum, they interrupted emergency service, which I think is federal, though I don't know for sure. Trumped up charges do happen dude, but these seem completely inline with the crime. besides, if they don't pan out, it's not federal anymore. woo.

  55. Who's the buyer? by slapout · · Score: 1

    "advanced computer circuit panels that could be sold on the black market for hundreds of thousands of dollars."

    Who exactly are they selling these to? Other phone companies??

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  56. Hehehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This theft affected us in the middle of nowhere at exactly that time. When the telco reported 'vandalism', we were mildly interested in the backstory. Never thought it would result in a NY times story.

    New Jersey sucks. Please check badges, people.

  57. RTFA by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

    but it was a "conspiracy"! And "interstate shipment"! ... So this Verizon building is exactly on the state border ? They got cauched at the door - whers this shipment and conspiracy ?

    from the article:
    According to the complaint filed in Southern District of New York, the circuit boards ranged in value from $5,000 to $70,000 each and, all told, were worth in excess of $1 million. The plan was to deliver them to an unnamed co-conspirator who, in turn, planned to sell them to an unnamed company in California, according to the complaint.

    That second sentance explains it. They, as in more than one, planned, as in conspiracy, to steal the boards in NY and sell them in CA, as in interstate shipment.

    Dork.

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    1. Re:RTFA by rasz · · Score: 1

      >That second sentance explains it. They, as in
      >more than one, planned, as in conspiracy, to
      >steal the boards in NY and sell them in CA, as in
      >interstate shipment.

      yes, now every crime partnership is called conspiracy, after all there are no criminals left, only TERRORISTS. I call it BULLSHIT for the second time.
      This in not a Tom Clancy book, or a spy movie, this is reality. There was no conspiracy, only 2 thieves with box full of switchboards.

    2. Re:RTFA by frost22 · · Score: 1
      yes, now every crime partnership is called conspiracy
      AFA my limited understanding of the US system goes, that was always the case. The conspiracy clause allows them to charge each individual for all acts all conspirators commited.

      This is an appropriate means to prosecute crimes done by well organized groups. Nothing new here.
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  58. What guards? by outanowhere · · Score: 1

    "I'm still curious as to how they got past the guards"

    What guards? Why does everyone assume there were guards? No one mentioned there were guards onsite except some slashdotards.

    Many switches have no security onsite--no one is guarding the place.

    Costs too much money.

    Alarm system w/ 24x7 A/V monitoring much cheaper. Some use live A/V to control access from another site, perhaps from the RCC itself.

  59. The ones mentioned in the FA. by PornMaster · · Score: 1

    Dan Diaz Zapata, a spokesman for Verizon, said the building had many levels of security - from video cameras to security badges to on-site guards - and that the company was cooperating with local and federal authorities.

    Those guards.

  60. Re:Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tags.
    They are tags, not tabs

  61. Sounds like you blew it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should have reported the car as stolen and been, er, 'blissfully unaware' that your wife had anything to do with it.

    Then the cops would have investigated grand theft, tracked down your wife, figured out what she did and arrested her for the forgery and theft. ...though they probably would have flubbed the investigation anyway. But at least you'd be able to get a police report and file an insurance claim.

    1. Re:Sounds like you blew it by mdfst13 · · Score: 1

      "arrested her for the forgery and theft"

      They might have arrested her for forgery, but they couldn't have arrested her for theft. When you are married, you own property *jointly*. In other words, legally it was her car as much as it was his, that's how marriage works. The forgery might even have been justified on that basis: the car should have been titled in both their names. The guy who founded FedEx got around a forgery charge by claiming that was just the way things were being done at the company at that time.

      A better move would have been to claim that the person who bought it must have forged the signature. Then they would have been guilty of theft and forgery, and he would have gotten the car back. Bringing the wife into it ruined any chance of recovering the car (other than suing her for the money and buying the car back).

    2. Re:Sounds like you blew it by sadomikeyism · · Score: 1

      When you are married, you own property *jointly*. The principle of community property only applies in some states, and only applies to court ordered dissolution of assets. If her name was not on either the title, the registration, or the loan application, then it ain't hers until a judge says so, even if it IS a community property state.

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    3. Re:Sounds like you blew it by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      The car was purchased by me before we were married, and her name was never on the title.

      That aside, though, yes - you're probably correct that the "better move" would have been pursuing the buyer of the car. Problem is, I had no idea until months later that she actually sold the car. When I first called and reported the car missing - I was under the impression that she just had it hidden somewhere. (One of her relatives was helping her out at the time, and they had a big garage which they could easily have been keeping my car in to prevent me from easily getting it back.)

      Furthermore, although I'm pretty sure I found the buyer, she would never tell me who she sold it to - and the suspected buyer refused to return any of my phone calls I made, attempting to get more information or confirmation of a purchase.

      The Dept. of Motor Vehicles won't give me information about the new buyer either, because they say that became "confidential information" ever since the title changed hands.

    4. Re:Sounds like you blew it by sadomikeyism · · Score: 1

      How long ago was this? I might be able to help you find it. My company is an FL private eye firm. If you have the VIN, or the plate number (and state) when you had it, I can find it for you.

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  62. Not caught because of 911 failure by JavaRob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These guys were caught because of stupidity and greed.

    They were in the building, pulling cards that were in active use, for about TWO HOURS. According to the article they arrived around 8pm, and the police didn't get a report that there might be a problem at that building until 9:51. Sometime after that, the police car arrived at the building, where they caught the guys walking out.

    It makes me wonder about how much more successful an intelligent thief could be -- these guys made an earlier hit on the same building, which went smoothly (and they took much less)... so they got greedy and overconfident. And paid for it by getting caught in a stupid way (um, these boards are in use; people's phone service *will* be affected; no, you don't want to hang around all night).

    Don't these guys watch any movies? How classic is that mistake?

    1. Re:Not caught because of 911 failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Don't these guys watch any movies?"

      No, they needed the money to buy a DVD player. Fortunately, they will have plenty of time in jail to learn how to commit a crime successfully.

  63. grammar by SkunkPussy · · Score: 0, Troll

    It was burglarized in August 2003, and similar robberies occurred this year at telephone facilities in New York City and New Jersey.

    I think you mean BURGLED.

    or perhaps thefted or robberised ?

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    1. Re:grammar by RedBear · · Score: 1

      No, I think they meant burglarized, just like they said. It's perfectly good English on this side of the pond, as is "buglary". English has rules but they aren't always set in stone. If you want a language that makes perfect sense go check out Lojban, previously known as Loglan.

  64. Wouldn't that be like ... Terrorism by Gopal.V · · Score: 1
    >Break-in to a telco center and cut all the wires, you'll get the same effect.

    Thank God, they STOLE the stuff and proved they were true americans ... just slashing the wires would have gotten then terrorism charges.

    1. Re:Wouldn't that be like ... Terrorism by frost22 · · Score: 1
      just slashing the wires would have gotten then terrorism charges.

      and rightly so !

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  65. Not a big surprise by RichMeatyTaste · · Score: 1

    My father in law is a Manager for SBC Ameritech. I've gotten a tour of a local switching office and was floored by the equipment inside. There was more money (in equipment) in that 1400 square foot room than the bank across the street.

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  66. http://stolenlives.org/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stolen Lives: Killed by Law Enforcement

    Name Age Nationality
    Jon Webster Pavao 38 Native Hawaiian

    June 10, 1998. Pahoa:
    Mr. Pavao was shot twice in the chest and killed by an unnamed Hawaii County police officer responding to a domestic violence call at his girlfriend's house. Cops claim Mr. Pavao pointed a gun at the officer after threatening to kill himself. But three family members who witnessed the incident said that Mr. Pavao did not threaten the officer. They said he had a gun at his side for about two minutes before the officer shot him without provocation. They also said that Mr. Pavao had told the cop that the gun was broken. They offered to match their lie detector test results against the officer's -- an offer that was declined. It was later determined that the victim's gun was not loaded. Mr. Pavao is survived by his wife, his mother, two brothers, two sisters, three children and two grandchildren. His girlfriend, Linda Sadino, described him as a sweet man, happy because he just learned she was pregnant with his baby.
    Fortunato "Junior" Barques III 37 Filipino

    May 5, 1998. Haleiwa:
    Mr. Barques was shot twice in the back by Honolulu Police Officer Mark D. Boyce. He was shot after walking away from the cop after a car stop for suspicion of car prowling. The officer alleged that Mr. Barques reached for a gun. Mr. Barques' gun was found still secured in its holster, and a cell phone was lying on the ground near his body. There were no other known witnesses. Mr. Barques died of his injuries on July 5, 1998. Police claimed they recovered marijuana and crystal methamphetamines in his car. His attorney said the drugs were planted by the police. Mr. Barques, who had no criminal record, was a vegetable farmer. Born in Honolulu, he is survived by his wife Jodi, his son, three daughters, his parents, four brothers, three sisters, and both his grandmothers. His family said, "Junior was a kind and gentle man who meant harm to no one. He was a son of Hawaii who loved it, [the] people and the land. He will be missed by those who knew him and loved him."
    Antonio Revera 26 --

    April 22, 1998. Honolulu (Oahu Correction Center):
    Prison guards beat Antonio while transferring him from the medical unit to his cell. He was later found dead in his cell, and his death was classified as a homicide. No guards have been charged.
    Rodney "Banks" Laulusa 30 Samoan

    January 22, 1998. Honolulu (Palolo Valley Homes):
    At least twenty shots were fired at Rodney by three Honolulu police officers; 14 bullets were removed from his body. A community activist described what happened, "...a police car was parked diagonally across Ahe Street blocking my way. Everything around me seemed normal...I asked the nearest person around my car 'What's going on?" This person I later found out was Rodney Laulusa. He answered, "I don't know." I noticed a knife in each hand but didn't give it another thought because he seemed normal and friendly. Also I know a lot of Samoan men cook. The knives looked like kitchen knives to me. I thought he was out of the nearby apartment because he was asking the same question I was asking, 'What's going on.'" As Rodney walked away from the community activist's car, five or six police cars entered Ahe street, parking on the sidewalks and lawns. They moved quickly towards Rodney, who stood nervously in the middle of the street. People were yelling at the cops, "Don't shoot!" The cops ordered Rodney to drop the knives and then opened fire. They continued firing even after Rodney was on the ground. One witness told how police continued to fire into Rodney's back as he lay face down in the street. The cops would not let his family go to help him. It was raining and they didn't cover him. Official reports show it was only three minutes from when the police got a call about a man in the street with knives to when Rodney lay dying in the street. The police claim they tried to disarm Rodney by talking to him but he charged them. Every non

  67. almost always inside jobs by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Theser are almost always inside jobs by an employee or ex who knows exactly what it there and what is marketable. Silicon Valley has been plagued by these for decades, particularly in commodity hardware manufacturing. A stick of memory chips can go for several hundred dollars.

  68. Terrorist Groupthink Alert! by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 1

    Terrorism has been ruled out as a possible motive.

    Please, someone tell me you haven't all been indoctrined into the Bush Family Groupthink that every single crime that goes on anywhere in the whole damn country has some sort of terrorist motive? The homeless guy stealing apples from the grocery store isn't a terrorist sleeper agent, the guy behind the counter that short-changes you in Wal-Mart is not an Islamic fundamentalist hell-bent on destroying the West, and two bungling jackasses stealing computer equipment are not committing an act of jihad - if Osama bin Laden was going to get at America again, you really think he'd do it by stealing circuit panels? You don't seem to understand that Al-Queda chooses it's targets to make a statement - hence the targetting of the military and financial hearts of America on 9/11. They're not going to waste their time disrupting a few 911 calls in some little county in southern NY. Trust me, they've got more important things to do.

    Americans, please, a little note from the rest of the world - there are some people out there that are more than capable of being anti-social without being part of some Islamic doctrine to convert you all to Sharia. Stop screaming 'terrorist' anytime anything kicks off, it's called 'crying wolf'. How many of you out there now automatically think 'terrorism' when something you don't like happens? I've nothing against Americans, but there does seem to be a rich vein of groupthink running through you guys just at the moment...

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  69. Re:Could they be looking at possible murder charge by HalliS · · Score: 1
    We have something in Scandinavia (in Iceland at least) called dolus mixtus cum culpa, that is, when your intent is on doing something unlawful, but the results are more serious than you expected (like death resulting from a heist), it is treated the same as if he intended on killing the guy all along.

    See here

    Article 218 - [If, by means of an intentionally committed physical attack, a person causes another person bodily injury or damage to his health, and he can be regarded as being responsible for these consequences of the attack through intent or negligence, he shall be [...]1) imprisoned for up to 3 years, or fined if there are particular mitigating circumstances.

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