thats interesting. i must admit it has been a while since i checked prices. i've always just downloaded it. i personally would rather give them some money every once in a while and have rsync access to their isos/updates. i really dont want a box, manuals or new cd's. i would rather download the iso's and burn them to cdrw's. that way i dont have to waste a few cd's for 6 months worth of use.
you can download redhat for free, but if you want the stuff in the box (manuals, cd's +some support) then you have to pay for it. this normally runs at least $30-$40 for the least expensive version. 25% off isnt that bad of a deal. especially if you are upgrading from a previous version of suse and not the latest version.
Everone who has ever owned a computer and his brother have a Windows license.
i dont have one, and i've owned about 3 computers personally. i realize i'm not the normal user, but i'm not the only person i know of who has a computer and never had a real version of windows. hell i've never actually owned a copy of msdos.
this is not the movie to do that with. i can just see the response:
sure it was on peoples computers, but had an opening weekend of 250 million dollars. do you think they could have crammed any more people in to the theaters?
they should do this with the next movie they expect to make alot of money on but just before release, they realize it will be a flop. then they can blame the pirates.
yeah. i can just see it now. they finish download attack of the clowns about a week before it gets to their cinemas. it cost them about 400 of their currancy because, well they have to pay by the minute in that country. the best connection they could get was 14.4 and could only sustain it for a max of 30 minutes at a time. that's why it took so long.
when i say most undergraduate classes i am refering to the onese taken at the freshman and sophmore levels. these are the classes where people take required math classes for other majors. the topics covered in these classes have not changed much, and probably wont. these are the classes with the largest numbers, and account for the bulk of book sales.
it's not uncommon for professors to discuss evolving topics at the junior or seinor level. new books are not necessary for this. my profs would hand out research papers, discuss them, and sometimes have us implement algorithms. again the numbers in classes decrease each year, and so do the total number of textbook sales in upperlevel classes.
on the rare occasion that i dont keep a book, i give the books to people, rather than sell them back. i give it to them on the condition that they too will give the book to someone else if they dont keep it. i really dont want to help the bookstore rape some other person a little bit less than me.
for the basics in most subject, things havent changed much in a while: take math for example- there haven't been many advances in algebra, calculus, trig, numerical methods, etc that would make it into most undergraduate classes.
i'm a chemical engineer, and most of the work in fluid mechanics, thermo, and chemical transport havent changed in almost 50 years. what some would consider the ``bible'' of transport phenomena was first written by bird, stewar, and lightfoot in 1960... the second edition cameout last year.
sure there have been changes in more advanced topics, but the nature of science and math have changed very little lately. i frequently goto used book stores and get old schuams outlines on different mathematical subjects because they still apply today.
what does suck is the following: i have th 5th edition of a book. the class is being taught with the 7th edition. the content in the books is _not_ very different, but the arrangement has changed. so when the prof says read pages 434 to 482, you have to talk to some other person in the class to find the corresponding pages in your book. i sometimes wonder if the publishers move things arround and changed the questions at the end of the chapter to force students to purchase new books.
kid: i'm going over to bob's mom: ok turn off the tv before you leave. kid: ok. (returns from bob's with videogame and plays away)
this law will not help those it is ment to help because these parents aren't paying attention to what their kids are doing. most of these parents will purchase the game for the kids.
i really dont believe the key is legilation, but rather parents doing their job and not relying on the government to do it for them.
this is where the ``could i take an active role in your life?'' part comes in.
even if this law is passed, kids are going to get access to the games. wether they have that one friend who's mom lets them do anything they want, or they get it from some place on the net, they will get it eventually. parents are still going to have to pay attention to what their kids are doing reguardless of wether or not this law is passed.
these parents arent paying attention, and that's why there is a percieved need for the law.
Preventing them from accessing violent video games is clearly not going to solve the ills of the world, but at least somebody out there is aware of the issue and is trying to do something about it.
i agree that this is a serious issue, i just dont think reasonable legislation is going to fix it. i consider the bill being discussed to be a feel good bill, and of little value. it will make the soccer moms feel better, accomplish nothing, and help the representative from california get reelected.
i am of the opinion that laws which fail to accomplish their goals are bad. while this does not limit the rights of adults, it does set the stage for future legislation which can take away our rights. i might be being paranoid, but that's my opinion.
octave would probably be better for these schools. it doesnt have a lot of the fancy stuff matlab does, but it is probably just fine for most school stuff. plus it comes with redhat already.
your link kind of encourages the wollowing of usual rhetoric about responsability:
The process by which violence is taught is circular: It begins in the family, expanding through the culture of the larger society in which a child grows and matures and then again is reinforced or discouraged in the family.
really though. kids who have enough money to walk into a store an buy these games aren't being monitored very much by their parents. they will still aquire these games through friends, usenet, irc, whatever and their parents will never know because their parents do not know now. this law might give parents a false sense of security though.
i really think the only solution to this problem lies in the usual rhetoric, but you dont think that is worth discussing.
or parents could just be present when their kids are buying stuff. the parents could read the warning labels. sometimes being a parent is more than throwing money at the kid worshiping the tv. good parenting cannot be legislated, and i do not believe laws are going to help in the long run.
actually in other countries children are allowed to drink, and are taught to drink responsibility by get this: their parents. i know it's silly.
any regulation that let parents keep a tigher reign of control over their kids is a good regulation as it does not affect the parent's ability to make a desision, rather it limmits the child from making one.
so you would firmly support a bill that requires children to be placed in small cells when not under direct supervision of their parents?
children are not the decision makers in there lifes, the parents are. so where is the need for legislation here?
kid ``can i buy this game'' parent ``you cannot buy that game'' kid ``ok''
why do we need laws for this?
i do have a life. it was shaped by parents who thoughtfully took an active role in it. you would be surprised how helpful that can be.
what need.....this law enables parents to make the desision which is a good thing.
arent video games labeled right now? don't parents already have control of their children? really though, where is a kid going to get the $40 for a video game? if the kid is selling crack for the money, then the parent really has other issues to deal with. it's simple, when the kid wants a game the parent communicates with the kid.
questions like:
``why do you want this game?''
``dont you find it strange that the objective of this game is to beat up a nun and take her car?''
``you do realize the difference between this game and reality?''
and the most important one of all:
``could i take on an active role in your life?''
this law just gives parents another excuse to let the tv raise their children, and i dont think it is the answer. the parents who wants control can exercise it. it's simple, you read the labels on video games and tell your kids ``i dont think this is good for someone of your age''. there you just controlled your kids without legislation.
ok so what......I am a parent so I can tell you I do not want my child going out and buying somthing I disaproove.this law does nothing wrong i think that any law that restricts rights (by taking them from the citizen and giving them to the government) and is not necessary, is wrong. that is of course my opinion.
remember, the onl folks that matter in this nation are voters.[sic]
cool then we can enslave children until they reach 18, at that point they will matter.
besides, if my kid knows a guy who is old enough to buy it for him, he can still skirt around the laws.
by doing your job as a parent, you should be able to take care of this. dont worry i believe in you, there is no need for this law to be passed.
If parents would simply do their job as parents then there wouldn't be an issue here.
this is what the issue seems to boil down to for me. parents dont seem to take active roles in the lives of their children any more. when things dont work out, they dont want to blame themselves. as a result we get legislation like this.
i've had people tell me things like "we cannot watch our children 24 hours a day". my only response is that if you dont have time for raising your children, then please wait until you do have time before you have children. it takes a little planning, but it is possible. i would also suggest not letting ``the box'' raise your children. in fact i dont see the need for children to have as much access to television as they do.
alas you dont need a license to have children, which i'm really starting to think is a shame.
i got the feeling stallman had crawled up this man's ass and was wearing him like a suit. i too got tears in my eyes/water came close to coming out of my nose several times.
i'm definately saving this one for reference later.
ms has had trouble lately with it's people repeating what they are told and not actually thinking about what they are saying.
i think i'm going to have to write the guy in peru a letter asking him to talk to my congressman.
this is his job and stuff. so he was out this weekend, thats fine. before hopping over to the submissions box, take 30 minutes or so and flip through the last couple days submissions.
maybe he doesnt get paid, it was just an assumption. if this is his hobby, that's cool. i really dont understand why they want people to pay for a service run like it is someones hobby though.
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thats interesting. i must admit it has been a while since i checked prices. i've always just downloaded it. i personally would rather give them some money every once in a while and have rsync access to their isos/updates. i really dont want a box, manuals or new cd's. i would rather download the iso's and burn them to cdrw's. that way i dont have to waste a few cd's for 6 months worth of use.
you can download redhat for free, but if you want the stuff in the box (manuals, cd's +some support) then you have to pay for it. this normally runs at least $30-$40 for the least expensive version. 25% off isnt that bad of a deal. especially if you are upgrading from a previous version of suse and not the latest version.
Everone who has ever owned a computer and his
brother have a Windows license.
i dont have one, and i've owned about 3 computers personally. i realize i'm not the normal user, but i'm not the only person i know of who has a computer and never had a real version of windows. hell i've never actually owned a copy of msdos.
this is not the movie to do that with. i can just see the response:
sure it was on peoples computers, but had an opening weekend of 250 million dollars. do you think they could have crammed any more people in to the theaters?
they should do this with the next movie they expect to make alot of money on but just before release, they realize it will be a flop. then they can blame the pirates.
yeah. i can just see it now. they finish download attack of the clowns about a week before it gets to their cinemas. it cost them about 400 of their currancy because, well they have to pay by the minute in that country. the best connection they could get was 14.4 and could only sustain it for a max of 30 minutes at a time. that's why it took so long.
when i say most undergraduate classes i am refering to the onese taken at the freshman and sophmore levels. these are the classes where people take required math classes for other majors. the topics covered in these classes have not changed much, and probably wont. these are the classes with the largest numbers, and account for the bulk of book sales.
it's not uncommon for professors to discuss evolving topics at the junior or seinor level. new books are not necessary for this. my profs would hand out research papers, discuss them, and sometimes have us implement algorithms. again the numbers in classes decrease each year, and so do the total number of textbook sales in upperlevel classes.
on the rare occasion that i dont keep a book, i give the books to people, rather than sell them back. i give it to them on the condition that they too will give the book to someone else if they dont keep it. i really dont want to help the bookstore rape some other person a little bit less than me.
for the basics in most subject, things havent changed much in a while:
take math for example-
there haven't been many advances in algebra, calculus, trig, numerical methods, etc that would make it into most undergraduate classes.
i'm a chemical engineer, and most of the work in fluid mechanics, thermo, and chemical transport havent changed in almost 50 years. what some would consider the ``bible'' of transport phenomena was first written by bird, stewar, and lightfoot in 1960... the second edition cameout last year.
sure there have been changes in more advanced topics, but the nature of science and math have changed very little lately. i frequently goto used book stores and get old schuams outlines on different mathematical subjects because they still apply today.
what does suck is the following:
i have th 5th edition of a book. the class is being taught with the 7th edition. the content in the books is _not_ very different, but the arrangement has changed. so when the prof says read pages 434 to 482, you have to talk to some other person in the class to find the corresponding pages in your book. i sometimes wonder if the publishers move things arround and changed the questions at the end of the chapter to force students to purchase new books.
after the law is passed it goes like this:
kid: i'm going over to bob's
mom: ok turn off the tv before you leave.
kid: ok. (returns from bob's with videogame and plays away)
this law will not help those it is ment to help because these parents aren't paying attention to what their kids are doing. most of these parents will purchase the game for the kids.
i really dont believe the key is legilation, but rather parents doing their job and not relying on the government to do it for them.
this is where the ``could i take an active role in your life?'' part comes in.
even if this law is passed, kids are going to get access to the games. wether they have that one friend who's mom lets them do anything they want, or they get it from some place on the net, they will get it eventually. parents are still going to have to pay attention to what their kids are doing reguardless of wether or not this law is passed.
these parents arent paying attention, and that's why there is a percieved need for the law.
my $.02
Preventing them from accessing violent video games is clearly not going to solve the ills of the world, but at least somebody out there is aware of the issue and is trying to do something about it.
i agree that this is a serious issue, i just dont think reasonable legislation is going to fix it. i consider the bill being discussed to be a feel good bill, and of little value. it will make the soccer moms feel better, accomplish nothing, and help the representative from california get reelected.
i am of the opinion that laws which fail to accomplish their goals are bad. while this does not limit the rights of adults, it does set the stage for future legislation which can take away our rights. i might be being paranoid, but that's my opinion.
linux for kids is for kids 10 and under. it looks like they have software for math, spelling, language, science.
i dont have any personal expirence with it, but it looks promising.
octave would probably be better for these schools. it doesnt have a lot of the fancy stuff matlab does, but it is probably just fine for most school stuff. plus it comes with redhat already.
your link kind of encourages the wollowing of usual rhetoric about responsability:
The process by which violence is taught is circular: It begins in the family, expanding through the culture of the larger society in which a child grows and matures and then again is reinforced or discouraged in the family.
really though. kids who have enough money to walk into a store an buy these games aren't being monitored very much by their parents. they will still aquire these games through friends, usenet, irc, whatever and their parents will never know because their parents do not know now. this law might give parents a false sense of security though.
i really think the only solution to this problem lies in the usual rhetoric, but you dont think that is worth discussing.
or parents could just be present when their kids are buying stuff. the parents could read the warning labels. sometimes being a parent is more than throwing money at the kid worshiping the tv. good parenting cannot be legislated, and i do not believe laws are going to help in the long run.
actually in other countries children are allowed to drink, and are taught to drink responsibility by get this: their parents. i know it's silly.
any regulation that let parents keep a tigher reign of control over their kids is a good regulation as it does not affect the parent's ability to make a desision, rather it limmits the child from making one.
so you would firmly support a bill that requires children to be placed in small cells when not under direct supervision of their parents?
children are not the decision makers in there lifes, the parents are.
so where is the need for legislation here?
kid ``can i buy this game''
parent ``you cannot buy that game''
kid ``ok''
why do we need laws for this?
i do have a life. it was shaped by parents who thoughtfully took an active role in it. you would be surprised how helpful that can be.
what need.....this law enables parents to make the desision which is a good thing.
arent video games labeled right now? don't parents already have control of their children? really though, where is a kid going to get the $40 for a video game? if the kid is selling crack for the money, then the parent really has other issues to deal with. it's simple, when the kid wants a game the parent communicates with the kid.
questions like:
``why do you want this game?''
``dont you find it strange that the objective of this game is to beat up a nun and take her car?''
``you do realize the difference between this game and reality?''
and the most important one of all:
``could i take on an active role in your life?''
this law just gives parents another excuse to let the tv raise their children, and i dont think it is the answer. the parents who wants control can exercise it. it's simple, you read the labels on video games and tell your kids ``i dont think this is good for someone of your age''. there you just controlled your kids without legislation.
ok so what......I am a parent so I can tell you I do not want my child going out and buying somthing I disaproove.this law does nothing wrong
i think that any law that restricts rights (by taking them from the citizen and giving them to the government) and is not necessary, is wrong. that is of course my opinion.
remember, the onl folks that matter in this nation are voters.[sic]
cool then we can enslave children until they reach 18, at that point they will matter.
besides, if my kid knows a guy who is old enough to buy it for him, he can still skirt around the laws.
by doing your job as a parent, you should be able to take care of this. dont worry i believe in you, there is no need for this law to be passed.
If parents would simply do their job as parents then there wouldn't be an issue here.
this is what the issue seems to boil down to for me. parents dont seem to take active roles in the lives of their children any more. when things dont work out, they dont want to blame themselves. as a result we get legislation like this.
i've had people tell me things like "we cannot watch our children 24 hours a day". my only response is that if you dont have time for raising your children, then please wait until you do have time before you have children. it takes a little planning, but it is possible. i would also suggest not letting ``the box'' raise your children. in fact i dont see the need for children to have as much access to television as they do.
alas you dont need a license to have children, which i'm really starting to think is a shame.
i just had to shut it down for a bit to set the max connections limit for that directory.
i got the feeling stallman had crawled up this man's ass and was wearing him like a suit. i too got tears in my eyes/water came close to coming out of my nose several times.
i'm definately saving this one for reference later.
ms has had trouble lately with it's people repeating what they are told and not actually thinking about what they are saying.
i think i'm going to have to write the guy in peru a letter asking him to talk to my congressman.
this is his job and stuff. so he was out this weekend, thats fine. before hopping over to the submissions box, take 30 minutes or so and flip through the last couple days submissions.
maybe he doesnt get paid, it was just an assumption. if this is his hobby, that's cool. i really dont understand why they want people to pay for a service run like it is someones hobby though.
hey..
i just got mine. if you need to feel free to suck them down here.
the md5sums all check out.
have fun.
$1/5cd's,
50,000,000,000$*5cd/$ = 250,000,000,000 cd's
or 250 Billion cd's