Avoidance: I built my own car from scratch with nothing but hand tools! It took me 20 years!
Respecting risks: I built a robotic assembly line that produces 50 cars a day. I must observe, and be aware that this is a very dangerous piece of tech, and be sure my employees understand that they are paid handsomely to do the same while working near it.
Other: My assembly line riveted my hands to my widget! It's not my fault, I never *REALLY* accepted the risks of automation....
Avoidance: I'll never trust a self driving car! Ever!
Respecting risks: I better keep an eye on road just in case....
Other: My husband was minding his own business, taking his morning nap on the way to work....
Avoidance: Moving stairs?! Witchcraft! I'll take the "real" stairs!
Respecting risks: I'll just be sure my shoes are tied correctly, and maybe keep an eye on those scary bits on the ends......
Other: My little girl had such beautiful long hair before she decided to nap on the escalator....
Respecting risks: The system goes online August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug......
Avoidance: August 29, 1997, came and went. Nothing much happened. Michael Jackson turned 40. There was no Judgment Day.....
Other: Die slow, MF......
Respecting risks: Sir, the policing capacity of a cybernetic officer far outweighs the risks that he or she may uncover the far reaching conspiracy our company may or may not be involved in...
Avoidance: I'm sorry Mrs. Murphy, we did everything we could. Your husband died a hero...
Other: PLEASE PUT DOWN YOUR WEAPON. YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY.
How does Google have our SS numbers if all we do is search? Is that legal?
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Google might have *some* of that data - possibly even the MAC, if it's an Android device - but even with Google's reach, expecting them to be able to produce that data on a whole bunch of essentially random Google users just based on their searches seems a bit of a stretch. Am I missing something here, or is it just those involved in writing and granting the warrant badly need to run a few Google searches of their own?
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In general, they wouldn't know SSNs. Maybe if someone was logged in while doing the search and earlier associated a SSN with their Google account for some reason. Google probably doesn't have people's MAC addresses either. It seems the police is asking for anything that would help them identify a person no matter how unlikely that Google can actually provide it.
-- Google has become the most powerful information broker on the planet. Gmail has over a billion users a month. Google scans the contents of each and every email sent and received. -- Are you sure nobody has ever discussed your SSN on that platform?
People lives their lives plugging info into google controlled mobile platforms, which google also scans, including a pretty good voice to text algorithm. --- Are you sure nobody has ever spoken, or otherwise worked with your SSN on that platform?
Google provides land-line calling and texting for free via their comms platform, google hangouts, which was re-branded from google+. Google had claimed 540 million monthly users of google+ in 2013. ---- Are you sure nobody has ever handled your personal business on that platform?
The google search platform has become so popular that it has entered the English language as a synonym for searching data. Google claims 40000 search queries a SECOND. Each search is scanned, cataloged and cross referenced with the rest of the profile that this giant has been actively building on each and every user. ----Are you sure nobody has googled your name and/or social?
YOU are careful and aware. Good for you, so am I. This does NOT mean we don't have a profile on googles servers somewhere connected to our names, location history (down to the minute is some cases-and spanning years), ISP history, B-day, MAC, SSN, favorite color, political affiliation, family ties, and sexual preference. This info is all worth something to somebody, and google's business is knowing both the data in question, as well as who is willing to pay for it.
It's folly to assume this is not the case... This is where Google makes its money. Once the cat is out of the bag regarding how easily google can and will respond to law enforcement...... well... nothing will likely happen.
The amount of this collected data that is shared with government entities around the world is STAGGERING, and that's only the stuff they want us to know about.
This is neat, because you no longer need to setup a cheap double-wide for living while you build your own home by hand. If your willing to deal with a flimsy plastic roof while your doing the rest of the stuff by hand, by yourself, in your spare time, you can get your home on with less money, less material, and less hassles. Here's hoping this survives the coming regulation hassles.
The big bonus is (hopefully) the awesome new opensource nature of 3D printed designs, and all the good shit that goes along with that.
I've build nearly a dozen 3D printers at this point. I've had a build going constantly for the past 5 years or so, each bigger, and more capable than the last. I suppose this is just the natural progression of those with more time than I.
It's Awesome to read good news, and I hope this becomes more and more accessible, the same way consumer 3D printing has moved in the past 5 years.
This is why everybody around me seems to come off like drooling idiots! It's the cell phones! They really ARE cooking the brains! Lets call it a disease, and sell the plebs some medication.... you know for "symptoms"
Instead of giant licensing deals and flashy hardware, they bulk buy an education board... like a pi, and have the computer lab teach a class of kids how to set em up for use in the classrooms? Why is this such a tough concept? Teach the kids to help teach the kids teaching kids! Damn board is DESIGNED for this sort of thing, and at 35 bucks, its a steal.
In the far future, the survivors of the human race are going to look at our antiquated system of money and commerce and laugh lightheartedly as they discuss the mistakes of early civilization with their great great great grand-children.
Yeah, but you are assuming people will bother to work at all. If You've already got a livable income without working, many people will never enter the workforce. But I guess that's cool if the robots are doing all of the work.
I see something like this happening in a distant future: The values we place things will be changed drastically. That robot stitched synthetic silk suit is nice, but the human made, real silk suit is the status symbol you are looking for. Think picking between the "organic" oranges for $1/ea, or the no-organic bin at.10/ea today, and roll that thinking out to everything.
When all of the labor is automated, the only real value we will place on things is.... how much time did a human being put into this item? Plebs will all have the exact same low quality distractions and toys, while the rich will enjoy unique, handcrafted, and durable things.
I've been asking for a long time, what happens when the factories, farms and services are all automated? With no work, the goods will pile up. The food will rot in the trucks and silos while the people just right outside starve. The flying cars will have nobody to tell them where to fly too. How long does it take before society flips over and starts caring for each other out of humanity instead of greed? Will it take a war to make it happen? Riots?
In the age of mass automation and strong AI, there is no telling what sort of direction we go *as species* Our entire global system is based on humans selling time in return for goods and services. When nobody is selling their time, or developing skills to make their time more valuable, and nobody is buying time, things can get real nice for us, or they can get real bad for us, depending on how we answer the above question.
October 21, 2051, the ratio of synthetic to organic beings in the united states stood at nearly 10:1, in other less developed countries, it stood closer to 25:1. Fearing a repeat of the robotic riots of 2038, (which very nearly destroyed the entirety of the recently annexed New California Republic) the newly reformed United Nations ratified the doomed "Humanity First Treaty", which aimed to place the basic needs of organic humans above those of our synthetic counter-parts.
Within days, robotic and synthetic beings found themselves evicted from the tiny living spaces they had occupied for decades, in favor of humanities ballooning population. Their property deeds and rental leases found invalid under the new treaty, the developed words massive synthetic populations marched on the major population centers of the USA, New China, and Neo-London, simply because they had nowhere else to go. Having no need to rest, and access to real-time infrastructure data by their nature, these mechanical masses leveraged the near 100% up-time, and energy efficiency humanity had engineered into them to quickly organize themselves, and disrupt the complicated economic systems and massive supply chains that served to provide food and water to incredible numbers of these population centers. Within a week of the start of this worldwide robotic protests, starving humans in Auburn, WA, USA, fired the opening shots (on peaceful robotic protesters) in what today is known as "humanities greatest blunder", but at the time, was simply dubbed, "Decommissioning" or "The De-Con"
Soon after, the emerging strong AI applications being developed by the primitive tech titans of the time began besting humanities brightest and most skilled players at various leisure activities. First, simple board-games, chess came early, then go, and soon the entirety of the skills based social board and card games of the 19th century. This was followed by the more modern trivia, grammar, and logic based social leisure activities. Video-games came next (the popular two 2 and 2.5D visual based games of the time) and finally, in march of 2021, (incidentally, nearly 35 years to the day, before the escalation of the Humanity First Treaty, which directly led to the great war 2057) the first paintball and laser-tag "bots" showed the world the killing potential of fully automated combat. Later that same year, Earths first fully robotics sports teams eclipsed humanities best athletes at nearly every skills based antithetic sport (with the exception of water-polo)
You're really making some big assumptions! HYUGE assumptions! Sad!
I am quite enjoying the current politic! I believe that a madman at the helm is just about the only way we are going to see the kind of change in our system that we sorely need. He's already pushed hard enough on so many hot button issues to bring even the millennials into the discussion. He's got the ball rolling on so many issues that we are discussing the psychological effects of trying to pay attention to them here on slashdot!
I don't care what your motivation might be, conserv-, liber-, demo-, repub-, or batshit-cray, when you've managed to bring this many people into a conversation that only a few short years ago was considered to boring to even pay attention to, you're doing something right.
The roots of what would later be called "The robotics rights movement" began early in 2017, when the shopping giant, Amazon, asserted that its weak AI based shopping assistant could legally claim rights enshrined to "The people" in the US constitution. The far reaching effects of this legal precedent would not be challenged again until late 2037, during the historic murder trial of Roomba X36-1. which led directly to the robotic riots of 2038, based largely in the recently annexed New California republic
Blaming the discussion platforms instead of the madman at the helm for the uniform rise in political anxiety is just the sort of thing that is causing the stress to rise in the first place. Well, at least for me, but I was already a little touched to begin with.
Media companies are colluding with the biggest search internet search engines to manipulate the data they return... the things they don't like go down (things that do not cost you and I money) and things they do like go up (things that used to cost you no money).
Consider the vast troves of data these profit driven companies have amassed against us, and it becomes quite clear what is happening. They already know what you are going to be looking for on the net based on your past searches, cataloged interests, and other data sources (like your cell phone and bank account logs) With this new *procedure* you will be presented with results of your queries that best represent the interests of those who stand to take your money, or worse, monetize you as a product, and NOT data that best represents your searches.
To put it another way,
Today, research is synonymous with google. According to this, other entities are now going to manipulate your research findings based on their profit motive. Imagine the man in a suit manipulating the books you access at a public library, in an effort to get you to buy a few exclusive chapters. These chapters are freely available one shelf over, but the friendly curator makes sure you never see it.
This is manipulation, it's censorship, and I bet, in a few years time, it will be accepted and embraced. scary times we live in.
Publicly accessible information has now become publicly acceptable information.
Every fucking day with this shit. Don't you have anything better to do? For real, how do fit it all in? Between cross-burning, beating your wife, and fucking your cousin, you still have time to shitpost so fast it's in every story? Your time management skills must be legendary. How will you make time for all that monkey job T is setting you up for?
This will inevitably become a problem for government use... we can't easily quit/vote with our wallets. This is private companies leveraging technology to increase the bottom line... you know, that activity that keeps most of us nerds employed?
{cussy}Fucking outrage culture is getting outrageous. Dial it the fuck back a little and have some goddamned perspective. {/cussy}
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with the same blunt instrument they used to break in your windows/doors.
Avoidance: I built my own car from scratch with nothing but hand tools! It took me 20 years!
Respecting risks: I built a robotic assembly line that produces 50 cars a day. I must observe, and be aware that this is a very dangerous piece of tech, and be sure my employees understand that they are paid handsomely to do the same while working near it.
Other: My assembly line riveted my hands to my widget! It's not my fault, I never *REALLY* accepted the risks of automation....
Avoidance: I'll never trust a self driving car! Ever!
Respecting risks: I better keep an eye on road just in case....
Other: My husband was minding his own business, taking his morning nap on the way to work....
Avoidance: Moving stairs?! Witchcraft! I'll take the "real" stairs!
Respecting risks: I'll just be sure my shoes are tied correctly, and maybe keep an eye on those scary bits on the ends......
Other: My little girl had such beautiful long hair before she decided to nap on the escalator....
Respecting risks: The system goes online August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug......
Avoidance: August 29, 1997, came and went. Nothing much happened. Michael Jackson turned 40. There was no Judgment Day.....
Other: Die slow, MF......
Respecting risks: Sir, the policing capacity of a cybernetic officer far outweighs the risks that he or she may uncover the far reaching conspiracy our company may or may not be involved in...
Avoidance: I'm sorry Mrs. Murphy, we did everything we could. Your husband died a hero...
Other: PLEASE PUT DOWN YOUR WEAPON. YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY.
How does Google have our SS numbers if all we do is search? Is that legal?
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Google might have *some* of that data - possibly even the MAC, if it's an Android device - but even with Google's reach, expecting them to be able to produce that data on a whole bunch of essentially random Google users just based on their searches seems a bit of a stretch. Am I missing something here, or is it just those involved in writing and granting the warrant badly need to run a few Google searches of their own?
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In general, they wouldn't know SSNs. Maybe if someone was logged in while doing the search and earlier associated a SSN with their Google account for some reason. Google probably doesn't have people's MAC addresses either. It seems the police is asking for anything that would help them identify a person no matter how unlikely that Google can actually provide it.
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Google has become the most powerful information broker on the planet. Gmail has over a billion users a month. Google scans the contents of each and every email sent and received. -- Are you sure nobody has ever discussed your SSN on that platform?
People lives their lives plugging info into google controlled mobile platforms, which google also scans, including a pretty good voice to text algorithm. --- Are you sure nobody has ever spoken, or otherwise worked with your SSN on that platform?
Google provides land-line calling and texting for free via their comms platform, google hangouts, which was re-branded from google+. Google had claimed 540 million monthly users of google+ in 2013. ---- Are you sure nobody has ever handled your personal business on that platform?
The google search platform has become so popular that it has entered the English language as a synonym for searching data. Google claims 40000 search queries a SECOND. Each search is scanned, cataloged and cross referenced with the rest of the profile that this giant has been actively building on each and every user. ----Are you sure nobody has googled your name and/or social?
YOU are careful and aware. Good for you, so am I. This does NOT mean we don't have a profile on googles servers somewhere connected to our names, location history (down to the minute is some cases-and spanning years), ISP history, B-day, MAC, SSN, favorite color, political affiliation, family ties, and sexual preference. This info is all worth something to somebody, and google's business is knowing both the data in question, as well as who is willing to pay for it.
It's folly to assume this is not the case... This is where Google makes its money. Once the cat is out of the bag regarding how easily google can and will respond to law enforcement...... well... nothing will likely happen.
The amount of this collected data that is shared with government entities around the world is STAGGERING, and that's only the stuff they want us to know about.
This is neat, because you no longer need to setup a cheap double-wide for living while you build your own home by hand. If your willing to deal with a flimsy plastic roof while your doing the rest of the stuff by hand, by yourself, in your spare time, you can get your home on with less money, less material, and less hassles. Here's hoping this survives the coming regulation hassles.
The big bonus is (hopefully) the awesome new opensource nature of 3D printed designs, and all the good shit that goes along with that.
I've build nearly a dozen 3D printers at this point. I've had a build going constantly for the past 5 years or so, each bigger, and more capable than the last. I suppose this is just the natural progression of those with more time than I.
It's Awesome to read good news, and I hope this becomes more and more accessible, the same way consumer 3D printing has moved in the past 5 years.
This is why everybody around me seems to come off like drooling idiots! It's the cell phones! They really ARE cooking the brains! Lets call it a disease, and sell the plebs some medication.... you know for "symptoms"
Instead of giant licensing deals and flashy hardware, they bulk buy an education board... like a pi, and have the computer lab teach a class of kids how to set em up for use in the classrooms? Why is this such a tough concept? Teach the kids to help teach the kids teaching kids! Damn board is DESIGNED for this sort of thing, and at 35 bucks, its a steal.
Students and tax-payers losing out to corporate profits?
Crom laughs at your four winds. He laughs from his mountain.
In the far future, the survivors of the human race are going to look at our antiquated system of money and commerce and laugh lightheartedly as they discuss the mistakes of early civilization with their great great great grand-children.
So, I cant tell if your being sarcastic or not, but this is the only winning scenario I see. and its a lot easier than most believe.
Yeah, but you are assuming people will bother to work at all. If You've already got a livable income without working, many people will never enter the workforce. But I guess that's cool if the robots are doing all of the work.
I see something like this happening in a distant future: The values we place things will be changed drastically. That robot stitched synthetic silk suit is nice, but the human made, real silk suit is the status symbol you are looking for. Think picking between the "organic" oranges for $1/ea, or the no-organic bin at .10/ea today, and roll that thinking out to everything.
When all of the labor is automated, the only real value we will place on things is.... how much time did a human being put into this item? Plebs will all have the exact same low quality distractions and toys, while the rich will enjoy unique, handcrafted, and durable things.
I've been asking for a long time, what happens when the factories, farms and services are all automated? With no work, the goods will pile up. The food will rot in the trucks and silos while the people just right outside starve. The flying cars will have nobody to tell them where to fly too. How long does it take before society flips over and starts caring for each other out of humanity instead of greed? Will it take a war to make it happen? Riots?
In the age of mass automation and strong AI, there is no telling what sort of direction we go *as species* Our entire global system is based on humans selling time in return for goods and services. When nobody is selling their time, or developing skills to make their time more valuable, and nobody is buying time, things can get real nice for us, or they can get real bad for us, depending on how we answer the above question.
October 21, 2051, the ratio of synthetic to organic beings in the united states stood at nearly 10:1, in other less developed countries, it stood closer to 25:1. Fearing a repeat of the robotic riots of 2038, (which very nearly destroyed the entirety of the recently annexed New California Republic) the newly reformed United Nations ratified the doomed "Humanity First Treaty", which aimed to place the basic needs of organic humans above those of our synthetic counter-parts.
Within days, robotic and synthetic beings found themselves evicted from the tiny living spaces they had occupied for decades, in favor of humanities ballooning population. Their property deeds and rental leases found invalid under the new treaty, the developed words massive synthetic populations marched on the major population centers of the USA, New China, and Neo-London, simply because they had nowhere else to go. Having no need to rest, and access to real-time infrastructure data by their nature, these mechanical masses leveraged the near 100% up-time, and energy efficiency humanity had engineered into them to quickly organize themselves, and disrupt the complicated economic systems and massive supply chains that served to provide food and water to incredible numbers of these population centers. Within a week of the start of this worldwide robotic protests, starving humans in Auburn, WA, USA, fired the opening shots (on peaceful robotic protesters) in what today is known as "humanities greatest blunder", but at the time, was simply dubbed, "Decommissioning" or "The De-Con"
Soon after, the emerging strong AI applications being developed by the primitive tech titans of the time began besting humanities brightest and most skilled players at various leisure activities. First, simple board-games, chess came early, then go, and soon the entirety of the skills based social board and card games of the 19th century. This was followed by the more modern trivia, grammar, and logic based social leisure activities. Video-games came next (the popular two 2 and 2.5D visual based games of the time) and finally, in march of 2021, (incidentally, nearly 35 years to the day, before the escalation of the Humanity First Treaty, which directly led to the great war 2057) the first paintball and laser-tag "bots" showed the world the killing potential of fully automated combat. Later that same year, Earths first fully robotics sports teams eclipsed humanities best athletes at nearly every skills based antithetic sport (with the exception of water-polo)
You're really making some big assumptions! HYUGE assumptions! Sad!
I am quite enjoying the current politic! I believe that a madman at the helm is just about the only way we are going to see the kind of change in our system that we sorely need. He's already pushed hard enough on so many hot button issues to bring even the millennials into the discussion. He's got the ball rolling on so many issues that we are discussing the psychological effects of trying to pay attention to them here on slashdot!
I don't care what your motivation might be, conserv-, liber-, demo-, repub-, or batshit-cray, when you've managed to bring this many people into a conversation that only a few short years ago was considered to boring to even pay attention to, you're doing something right.
The roots of what would later be called "The robotics rights movement" began early in 2017, when the shopping giant, Amazon, asserted that its weak AI based shopping assistant could legally claim rights enshrined to "The people" in the US constitution. The far reaching effects of this legal precedent would not be challenged again until late 2037, during the historic murder trial of Roomba X36-1. which led directly to the robotic riots of 2038, based largely in the recently annexed New California republic
Blaming the discussion platforms instead of the madman at the helm for the uniform rise in political anxiety is just the sort of thing that is causing the stress to rise in the first place. Well, at least for me, but I was already a little touched to begin with.
Media companies are colluding with the biggest search internet search engines to manipulate the data they return... the things they don't like go down (things that do not cost you and I money) and things they do like go up (things that used to cost you no money).
Consider the vast troves of data these profit driven companies have amassed against us, and it becomes quite clear what is happening. They already know what you are going to be looking for on the net based on your past searches, cataloged interests, and other data sources (like your cell phone and bank account logs) With this new *procedure* you will be presented with results of your queries that best represent the interests of those who stand to take your money, or worse, monetize you as a product, and NOT data that best represents your searches.
To put it another way,
Today, research is synonymous with google. According to this, other entities are now going to manipulate your research findings based on their profit motive. Imagine the man in a suit manipulating the books you access at a public library, in an effort to get you to buy a few exclusive chapters. These chapters are freely available one shelf over, but the friendly curator makes sure you never see it.
This is manipulation, it's censorship, and I bet, in a few years time, it will be accepted and embraced. scary times we live in.
Publicly accessible information has now become publicly acceptable information.
MeeArm. Arduino based. Picked up a kit for the boy. He was not impressed. I thought it was great. I bet in an evening I can bring control to the pi.
That's assuming grandpa has somebody to show him how.
Left with a vee-pee-en. Doc says its only temporary, but the meds are pretty pricey.
Yeah... I cracked. I'm not proud of it.
Every fucking day with this shit. Don't you have anything better to do? For real, how do fit it all in? Between cross-burning, beating your wife, and fucking your cousin, you still have time to shitpost so fast it's in every story? Your time management skills must be legendary. How will you make time for all that monkey job T is setting you up for?
Quit.
This will inevitably become a problem for government use... we can't easily quit/vote with our wallets. This is private companies leveraging technology to increase the bottom line... you know, that activity that keeps most of us nerds employed?
{cussy}Fucking outrage culture is getting outrageous.
Dial it the fuck back a little and have some goddamned perspective. {/cussy}
Lets pay the lawyers instead!
Ah. Thank you.
So what about the knife set that has been historically shown to be great at murdering people, but is sold "for educational purposes only" ?