In an office with 100 users, you can expect the server to have zero users connected to it most of the time. You see, you don't stay connected to the server, you just poll for updates.
you may be thinking of protocols like pop, which polls occasionally. Imap and whatever exchange uses are connected to the server whenever the client is up. i worked in an office recently that ran exchange and used mailing lists for some inter-office annoucements. if you sent a message to one of these mailing lists, the message would instantly appear on every single screen in the office, making tons of simulatneous "new mail" chimes. unless the server pushes updates to the client, this would require an always-up connection to the mail server.
you can charge whatever you want for open source software, as long as you give the user the source code. since most large places with exchange servers list support as a requirement, the software wouldn't be complete if they just downloaded it. it may very well be that you're paying per seat for support.
Would you mind telling us where these "test locations" are?
i know that my rr.com cable modem has had it's limit cut several times in the past year, to the point that I get 40 K/sec down, 10 K/sec up. this is a hard limit. it was originally 1 MB/sec down, 250 K/sec up, was lowered to 500 K/sec down, 120 K/sec up, then 150 K/sec down, 40 K/sec up, and eventually 40 K/sec down, 10 K/sec up. i'm not sure what this actually limits me to, however rr.com is mostly un-usable for downloading or sharing large files, which the article states is their (the media conglomorates') intent.
i also know of several people who have hard GB/month limits, which if they exceed their service gets cut for the remainder of the month. shaw cable in Canada comes immediately to mind.
have some fun with ipchains and the "mirror" directive. all of a sudden, to him, your machine will appear to be an exact duplicate of his. maybe he'll even root his own machine in the process:-P
Re:Lilo is single-handedly destroying that network
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think back about two years when lilo was doing his first fundraising drive to turn OPN into a non-profit, in which he was begging on a daily basis for funds. this went on for almost a year before he finally gave up. he raised several thousand dollars, which promptly disappeared and opn is still not an official nonprofit. lilo started fundrasing again recently and even changed his nick several times to get around people who had/ignored him. everyone who matters moved off of OPN (on to oftc, lf, etc) a long time ago.
The last time (last week) I installed XP I spent 1/2 hr. on the net trying to find the right video driver because XP couldn't find the proper driver on the CD.
you had this problem too? earlier this year i was invited to an academic Visual studio.NET release in manhattan. i was near by at the time, and they promised free food and software. i showed up and got a copy of XP Pro and Visual studio.net pro. i had a spare data drive in my 6 month old desktop debian machine so i installed it. well, XP didn't know about my geforce 2 _or_ my netgear ethernet card. it couldn't play dvds without me buying some expensive DVD software and once i finally got it on the net (i downloaded the netgear drivers in linux and copied them onto the windows partiton) it needed 10 security updates. debian knew about all of my hardware out of the box, played DVDS for free with mplayer, and wasn't a security nightmare until i went to some obscure website. someone explain to me how windows XP is so much better with hardware, or software, than linux again. i'd love to hear this.
Ever towed before? Just because a vehicle CAN tow 3000lbs doesn't mean that you want to tow 3000lbs with it. A 3000lb boat/trailer behind an Integra would be a nightmare.
that's possible. a 2000 lb boat/trailer is the only thing that i have experience with, and the car has towed that combo fairly regularly over the past 10 years. it handles well, stops well and the gas mileage is about 28 mpg at highway speeds. i've pulled that boat up a ramp, through high winds/bad weather, and over 600 miles in a weekend one time last year. (NYC -> Lake George and back)
anyway, i made the comparison just because you don't need a 600 hp V12 monster truck to tow an avg. size boat. since i can tow one with my sports car, a sedan or wagon would do nicley.
P.S. get that SUV. Nice rides, and useful if you have a boat or actually use it for something other than a UAV. (Urban Assualt Vehicle)
my integra can tow a boat too (up to 1 1/2 tons), and get 28 mpg when it's doing it. i guarantee it rides better than the SUV, does better in bad weather and it'll get close to 40 mpg without a boat on the hitch. The integra is also a LEV (as is every car that honda makes.)
now what's so great about these SUV's? oh yea, you're much more likely to flip over and die horribly in them, which, considering the people who usually buy them, isn't that bad.
Until Star Office or Open Office can match up with MS Office, Linux on the desktop is only viable for geeks.
between openoffice, koffice, and gnome office (abiword, gnumeric, gnucash, etc) the free office suites handle almost every function that a home user will ever really use. also, features are constantly getting added to accomidate niche users that currently couldn't use one of the free office suites.
Hardware compatibility is another problem. With all the winmodems and NICs out there that don't work with Linux how can you expect to get people to use it if you can't network?
eh.. winmodems are one thing, but i have yet to find a nic that didn't work 100% with linux. how many schools/offices are there that have individual desktop machines dialing into anything on their own? there's almost always a local network and _maybe_ a server that dials up on network activity.
I still like Linux on the servers, but on the desktop, it's got a long way to go.
it's closer than you think. if you haven't looked at kde or gnome lately, look again.
ugh.. maybe you should pay more attention before blaming this one on "stupid sys admins"..
the problem is that this box is checked by default on every Win2k/WinXP install, not that stupid sys admins are turning it on. It has to explicity be shut off, and how many home users do you think go into their connection settings to shut off some option that they've never heard of when they set up their network connection? i know i didn't, and had to go in and shut it off on my one Windows box this morning.
ac wrote: And comparing sharecropping to this is just absolutely asinine.
maybe you should familiarize yourself with the way the system works.. when something is in italics, it means that that was part of the story which was submitted by a slashdot user, in this case, Andy Tai. Furthermore, had you read the article, those were gates's words, not Andy's.
moving on. i know of hundreds of buisiness that use free software and make a profit because of it, so while there are only a few companies that make money selling GPL'ed software, there are hundreds of thousands of companies that make money working with open source software. The GPL is a wonderful, money making system if you stop thinking about companies selling consumer products and start thinking about buisiness computing, where most of the money is anyway. For the most part companies require at least some custom written software to do their work and fairly often this software is written in-house, by IT employees. now, say that company x needs some custom accounting software because the current enterprise accounting software packages don't have a feature that they need. they can a) tell their IT division to drop everything they're doing for a year or two and write this accounting system or b) tell their IT division to go download a GPL'ed accounting package, spend a couple days adding the needed feature, and release their changes under the GPL. the company in question would have saved hundred of thousands of dollars in labor and the GPL'ed accounting package would have an extra feature that may benifit some other company in the future. under a closed source system, those hudreds of thousands of dollars would have been wasted trying to "re-invent the wheel".
now tell me again how it's impossible to make money off of GPL'ed software.
of course you can. pine renders html better than almost all other console mode web browsers too. of course, why you would want html mail in the first place is beyond me.
the scan of the battle creek server by orbz was REQUESTED by a user that was CONTACTED by that server. Battle creek initiated contact with a server that scans all connecting hosts using the orbz service, or an end user recieved spam from that server. this is the only way that any host gets scanned by orbz, and this is the reason that your server was scanned by orbz. _YOU_ initiated contact that led to the scan. now stop being a jackass and go do something more productive.
Ian REFUSED to take them off the blacklist. In fact, if Ian ever gets mad at you for any reason, you're liable to find yourself on the blacklist. And the problem with that is if you screw up once, you're blocked for life! And many major sites used the info from orbz.
what region of your ass did you pull that gem out of?
orbz never added or removed any host manually, but the tools were present on the web page to have the system automatically re-test and remove a host that was listed. no matter how much you insulted ian, he would never add you manually to the black hole list. it wasn't even possible.
The entirety of the web front-end is Windows 2000.
do you really think anyone but microsoft would put windows on an important commercial web server like hotmail? Before the MS takeover hotmail's frontend was entirely FreeBSD, as were their DNS servers.
actually, konqueror can be removed from kde. the "kdebase" package under debian doesn't even include konqueror, you have to install it seperatley.
Re:We Are Alone - Other Planets are Uninhabitable
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i think that the formation of the moon is one of the least important earth oddities that helped in the formation of necessary conditions for life, although it was fairly important. For example:
if life hadn't formed when it did (and became aerobic when it did) earth would have become a greenhouse planet similar to venus, making the formation of life almost impossible.
second, it has taken close to 4 billion years since life was formed on earth to become civilized. this is longer than the expected lifetimes of the majority of stars in the universe.
third, a second or third generation star is required for the formation of heavy enough elements for non-gas giant planets. A large number of stars with long enough lifetimes for the formation of life are still first generation stars.
the list goes on and on. however, i think that this doesn't rule out inhabited planets, it just makes them somewhat rare compared to the number of gas giants.
Thus, you have no grounds to complain when it turns out you don't have a button to turn it off
what the are you talking about? you're a customer, and no matter what the EULA says, you can complain by a) not buying any more products from them b) not using their media player if you still want to buy their products or c) complaining anyway.
i'm sure that no one running an MS operating system has any expectation of privacy anyway.
My experience with orbz is that they don't pay attention to the people in the middle - I've been there.
people in the middle?
orbz is 100% automated and once you fix your server, you can be off of the blacklist in under an hour. (just ask for a re-test from the mail server in question) i'm not sure what you mean by orbz not paying attention to people in the middle, but it's fairly easy to get out of the DB if you close your relay.
they did the same thing at linuxworld last year.. you could go to a booth and sign up for free magazine subscriptions, sign up for contests and get on a company's mailing list. of course, only the exhibitors could read the cards so aside from increasing your junk mail income it was pretty useless.
umm, not really. partially because of the fact that the x windows consortium was producing a product called Windows far before microsoft was, microsoft's trademark only covers the full name of the product, "Microsoft Windows".
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Do you even know how to pump your own gas?
or make left turns? there are cloverleaves _everywhere_ in jersey, even on single lane roads. what the hell is up with that?
In an office with 100 users, you can expect the server to have zero users connected to it most of the time. You see, you don't stay connected to the server, you just poll for updates.
you may be thinking of protocols like pop, which polls occasionally. Imap and whatever exchange uses are connected to the server whenever the client is up. i worked in an office recently that ran exchange and used mailing lists for some inter-office annoucements. if you sent a message to one of these mailing lists, the message would instantly appear on every single screen in the office, making tons of simulatneous "new mail" chimes. unless the server pushes updates to the client, this would require an always-up connection to the mail server.
open source != "free as in beer"
you can charge whatever you want for open source software, as long as you give the user the source code. since most large places with exchange servers list support as a requirement, the software wouldn't be complete if they just downloaded it. it may very well be that you're paying per seat for support.
Would you mind telling us where these "test locations" are?
i know that my rr.com cable modem has had it's limit cut several times in the past year, to the point that I get 40 K/sec down, 10 K/sec up. this is a hard limit. it was originally 1 MB/sec down, 250 K/sec up, was lowered to 500 K/sec down, 120 K/sec up, then 150 K/sec down, 40 K/sec up, and eventually 40 K/sec down, 10 K/sec up. i'm not sure what this actually limits me to, however rr.com is mostly un-usable for downloading or sharing large files, which the article states is their (the media conglomorates') intent.
i also know of several people who have hard GB/month limits, which if they exceed their service gets cut for the remainder of the month. shaw cable in Canada comes immediately to mind.
have some fun with ipchains and the "mirror" directive. all of a sudden, to him, your machine will appear to be an exact duplicate of his. maybe he'll even root his own machine in the process :-P
they've thought of it, and it's most likely not going to happen.
http://slashdot.org/faq/suggestions.shtml#su900
think back about two years when lilo was doing his first fundraising drive to turn OPN into a non-profit, in which he was begging on a daily basis for funds. this went on for almost a year before he finally gave up. he raised several thousand dollars, which promptly disappeared and opn is still not an official nonprofit. lilo started fundrasing again recently and even changed his nick several times to get around people who had /ignored him. everyone who matters moved off of OPN (on to oftc, lf, etc) a long time ago.
The last time (last week) I installed XP I spent 1/2 hr. on the net trying to find the right video driver because XP couldn't find the proper driver on the CD.
.NET release in manhattan. i was near by at the time, and they promised free food and software. i showed up and got a copy of XP Pro and Visual studio.net pro. i had a spare data drive in my 6 month old desktop debian machine so i installed it. well, XP didn't know about my geforce 2 _or_ my netgear ethernet card. it couldn't play dvds without me buying some expensive DVD software and once i finally got it on the net (i downloaded the netgear drivers in linux and copied them onto the windows partiton) it needed 10 security updates. debian knew about all of my hardware out of the box, played DVDS for free with mplayer, and wasn't a security nightmare until i went to some obscure website. someone explain to me how windows XP is so much better with hardware, or software, than linux again. i'd love to hear this.
you had this problem too? earlier this year i was invited to an academic Visual studio
Ever towed before? Just because a vehicle CAN tow 3000lbs doesn't mean that you want to tow 3000lbs with it. A 3000lb boat/trailer behind an Integra would be a nightmare.
that's possible. a 2000 lb boat/trailer is the only thing that i have experience with, and the car has towed that combo fairly regularly over the past 10 years. it handles well, stops well and the gas mileage is about 28 mpg at highway speeds. i've pulled that boat up a ramp, through high winds/bad weather, and over 600 miles in a weekend one time last year. (NYC -> Lake George and back)
anyway, i made the comparison just because you don't need a 600 hp V12 monster truck to tow an avg. size boat. since i can tow one with my sports car, a sedan or wagon would do nicley.
P.S. get that SUV. Nice rides, and useful if you have a boat or actually use it for something other than a UAV. (Urban Assualt Vehicle)
my integra can tow a boat too (up to 1 1/2 tons), and get 28 mpg when it's doing it. i guarantee it rides better than the SUV, does better in bad weather and it'll get close to 40 mpg without a boat on the hitch. The integra is also a LEV (as is every car that honda makes.)
now what's so great about these SUV's? oh yea, you're much more likely to flip over and die horribly in them, which, considering the people who usually buy them, isn't that bad.
Until Star Office or Open Office can match up with MS Office, Linux on the desktop is only viable for geeks.
between openoffice, koffice, and gnome office (abiword, gnumeric, gnucash, etc) the free office suites handle almost every function that a home user will ever really use. also, features are constantly getting added to accomidate niche users that currently couldn't use one of the free office suites.
Hardware compatibility is another problem. With all the winmodems and NICs out there that don't work with Linux how can you expect to get people to use it if you can't network?
eh.. winmodems are one thing, but i have yet to find a nic that didn't work 100% with linux. how many schools/offices are there that have individual desktop machines dialing into anything on their own? there's almost always a local network and _maybe_ a server that dials up on network activity.
I still like Linux on the servers, but on the desktop, it's got a long way to go.
it's closer than you think. if you haven't looked at kde or gnome lately, look again.
ugh.. maybe you should pay more attention before blaming this one on "stupid sys admins"..
the problem is that this box is checked by default on every Win2k/WinXP install, not that stupid sys admins are turning it on. It has to explicity be shut off, and how many home users do you think go into their connection settings to shut off some option that they've never heard of when they set up their network connection? i know i didn't, and had to go in and shut it off on my one Windows box this morning.
ac wrote:
And comparing sharecropping to this is just absolutely asinine.
maybe you should familiarize yourself with the way the system works.. when something is in italics, it means that that was part of the story which was submitted by a slashdot user, in this case, Andy Tai. Furthermore, had you read the article, those were gates's words, not Andy's.
moving on. i know of hundreds of buisiness that use free software and make a profit because of it, so while there are only a few companies that make money selling GPL'ed software, there are hundreds of thousands of companies that make money working with open source software. The GPL is a wonderful, money making system if you stop thinking about companies selling consumer products and start thinking about buisiness computing, where most of the money is anyway. For the most part companies require at least some custom written software to do their work and fairly often this software is written in-house, by IT employees. now, say that company x needs some custom accounting software because the current enterprise accounting software packages don't have a feature that they need. they can a) tell their IT division to drop everything they're doing for a year or two and write this accounting system or b) tell their IT division to go download a GPL'ed accounting package, spend a couple days adding the needed feature, and release their changes under the GPL. the company in question would have saved hundred of thousands of dollars in labor and the GPL'ed accounting package would have an extra feature that may benifit some other company in the future. under a closed source system, those hudreds of thousands of dollars would have been wasted trying to "re-invent the wheel".
now tell me again how it's impossible to make money off of GPL'ed software.
Oh, wait, you can't turn HTML on in Pine...
of course you can. pine renders html better than almost all other console mode web browsers too. of course, why you would want html mail in the first place is beyond me.
ok, how about this;
the scan of the battle creek server by orbz was REQUESTED by a user that was CONTACTED by that server. Battle creek initiated contact with a server that scans all connecting hosts using the orbz service, or an end user recieved spam from that server. this is the only way that any host gets scanned by orbz, and this is the reason that your server was scanned by orbz. _YOU_ initiated contact that led to the scan. now stop being a jackass and go do something more productive.
Typical ORBZ supporter said: Don't be such a retard..
i believe that was me who said that.
and i say it again. russ, don't be such a retard
Ian REFUSED to take them off the blacklist. In fact, if Ian ever gets mad at you for any reason, you're liable to find yourself on the blacklist. And the problem with that is if you screw up once, you're blocked for life! And many major sites used the info from orbz.
what region of your ass did you pull that gem out of?
orbz never added or removed any host manually, but the tools were present on the web page to have the system automatically re-test and remove a host that was listed. no matter how much you insulted ian, he would never add you manually to the black hole list. it wasn't even possible.
i realize i shouldn't feed the trolls, but..
The entirety of the web front-end is Windows 2000.
do you really think anyone but microsoft would put windows on an important commercial web server like hotmail? Before the MS takeover hotmail's frontend was entirely FreeBSD, as were their DNS servers.
actually, konqueror can be removed from kde. the "kdebase" package under debian doesn't even include konqueror, you have to install it seperatley.
the list goes on and on. however, i think that this doesn't rule out inhabited planets, it just makes them somewhat rare compared to the number of gas giants.
a) not buying any more products from them
b) not using their media player if you still want to buy their products or
c) complaining anyway.
i'm sure that no one running an MS operating system has any expectation of privacy anyway.
My experience with orbz is that they don't pay attention to the people in the middle - I've been there.
people in the middle?
orbz is 100% automated and once you fix your server, you can be off of the blacklist in under an hour. (just ask for a re-test from the mail server in question) i'm not sure what you mean by orbz not paying attention to people in the middle, but it's fairly easy to get out of the DB if you close your relay.
anyone who's ever used mutt to send email (and evolution i've recently found out) and has sent email to outlook express users has come across this.
outlook express cannot handle RFC compliant MIME messages, and instead displays the text as attachments.
they did the same thing at linuxworld last year.. you could go to a booth and sign up for free magazine subscriptions, sign up for contests and get on a company's mailing list. of course, only the exhibitors could read the cards so aside from increasing your junk mail income it was pretty useless.
umm, not really. partially because of the fact that the x windows consortium was producing a product called Windows far before microsoft was, microsoft's trademark only covers the full name of the product, "Microsoft Windows".