Frymaster wrote: the bottom line is this. you do not know that iraq has these so-called weapons of mass destruction.
then cheezedawg wrote: What are you talking about? We know for sure that Saddam had them. Hell, we have even seen him use them! What we don't know, however, is if he destroyed them.
let's do some basic math here. if you have one apple, and you destroy that apple, how many apples do you have? according to cheezedawg, you still have one apple.
the UN inspectors went to verify that iraq destoyed their weapons. Iraq wasn't the most hospitable host to these inspectors, but they still haven't found any evidence to say that iraq still has any of their weapons. watching the news last night, i didn't hear any reports of iraq firing any weapons at anyone, even though the air raid sirens went off 3 times in kuwait city.
Amen, brother. I just spent two hours on the phone with a friend who was trying to find the working Windows XP driver for a Linksys 802.11 card.
this isn't really linksys's fault. none of the common networking cards i've ever come across (Xircom, linksys, netgear, 3Com, intel) are supported by winXP out of the box. If winXP wasn't factory installed, or if you don't still have the driver disk that came with your hardware, expect to spend several hours burning drivers to cds under linux before you can get your winXP machine network connected. i think this is part of microsoft's ploy to get people to start buying their networking gear (i'm hoping that atleast that will be supported out of the box)
you want a paid internship?! ha! I'm a CS major at RPI and I'm graduating in May.. i know about 100 CS or engineering majors also graduating this year and not one of them has a job yet. this has people divided into 2 groups; people applying to grad schools (they pay a living stipend and take care of your tuition costs) and people who are just about ready to apply at mcdonalds after 4 years of college.
and you want a paid internship?! paid short-term positions were in short supply 2 years ago. Right now it's safe to say that microsoft's offer is the only one you're going to find left in the entire country. of course, you can always join the military or an get a job with an oil company. those are the only 2 sections of our economy that bush hasn't gone out of his way to trash.
RTFA.The article clearly says some interns dont get paid. Dont ask me which loophole of the law they use
no loopholes. this past summer i worked as an intern for MTVi (MTV's website + application development dept.) and i got college credit for my time there (but no pay at all). they actually wouldn't let me begin work there until i gave them the form saying that i was getting credit for it. I'm guessing that microsoft does the same thing and offers non-paid interns school credit.
I am a little short on cash this week. Would you mind posting the URL to the free mirror of that site? Phish is, of course, one of the groups consistently cited as encouraging free distribution of their concert recordings. ..
you can still download someone else's recording of those shows (http://www.etree.org/ has a lot of them) but you can't download phish's official recordings for free. phish's recordings will be soundboard quality, in.shn format and therefore are much better for burning to CD. audience recordings are going to be done through microphones in the "tapers" section of the floor and therefore won't be as high quality.
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e-mail tela@livephish.com. they respond to all messages within 48 hours.
i emailed them about this almost 3 weeks ago and haven't gotten anything back about it at all. i use the site exclusivley under linux and i've bought 2 shows from them in the past. i refuse to buy anything from them as long as that notice is up. (and i really do want to buy some of the newer shows)
and what if there isn't a single copy of BSA software in the entire building? do they have to pay you for lost time/productivity? what if the discovery software they use damages my PC? do they take down all the servers and reboot to run this software on them? i fail to see how this practice could be anything other than illegal..
if it's not, i think i'm going to get one of these court orders and search microsoft's entire corporate complex to make sure that they're complying with the EULA on the software that i wrote. (hello_world.c, which has a $10,000,000 per seat licensing cost)
First of all, I want to know more about how is the fine of $11,000 is incurred.
if it's anything like new york's state run DNC List, it's per incident and the cash goes straight to the victim.
one of the things that would make this really wonderful is if every phone number in the US was subscribed to it automatically when it became active. you can always remove yourself from the DNC list, and there might be someone somewhere that wants to get called in the middle of dinner to hear about how much money they can save by switching to vinyl siding.
See, if I want to spend three weeks screwing around with software packages and libraries and crap, maybe, just MAYBE I can watch a DVD on my system
if, on a recent linux system, it takes you any longer than 45 seconds to get easy dvd playback, you're doing something horribly wrong. "mplayer --dvdnav" or "mplayer --dvd 1" if you like to skip right to the movie.
DVD playback on windows, however, is a complete mess. i screwed around on WinXP for nearly a day trying to get dvd playback, to no avail. finally, i needed to find some serial number on a porn-filled warez search engine to get winDVD to play for more than 5 minutes without shutting off. why doesn't winXP come with a DVD player like debian/redhat/mandrake/suse does?
You'll note Slashdot uses MySQL and is very happy.
You misspelled "real fucking slow".
erm.. which slashdot are you using?
this article with all it's comments (242K of HTML alone) loads in less than 1 second on mozilla. i'm logged in and i have a bunch of custom content in slashboxes on the right hand side. in addition, all my foes + friends are properly marked throughout the page. I'm fairly sure that the 1/2 second delay is mozilla trying to render the HTML with all the messy nested tables and crap, not slashdot being slow in sending it.
as a point of refrence, wget downloads the same page (with me logged in) at over 550K/sec. less than 1/2 a second.
you can complain about the crappy editorial comments, the duplicate stories, the slashtrolls or the fact that taco can't spell, but saying that slashdot is slow is just stupid.
as for oracle, my school uses an oracle app called "banner" for student registration, grades and financial information. it's running on several monster dedicated AIX machines. Around registration time the system slows to a crawl, and often dies, with less than 1000 students pounding on it!
ftp.freebsd.org is now just a tier-1 mirror, just like any other tier-1 mirror.
why isn't it just a round-robin DNS like http.us.debian.org and most other ftp.*.org sites? wouldn't _that_ be the simple solution, instead of pleading with people on slashdot to "please use one of the mirrors" ?
I personally think that all "radio" as we know it is doomed. I don't listen to the radio. I would rather listen to something i know. Like a cd I own.
personally, i _hate_ listening to CDs in the car. unless someone wants to buy me a 300 CD changer that will fit in my trunk, i'm never going to hear something that i couldn't already play back in my head. boring. i can listen to a cd maybe once a year, because it takes me about that long to forget what order the songs are in from the last time i heard it. if i wait about 3 or 4 years, i might actually forget some of the songs themselves, but only the less memorable ones. radio keeps me somewhat interested because i don't know what's going to come on next. and, since i don't listen to the main stream radio, i occasionally hear songs that i haven't heard before or haven't heard in 3 or 4 years.
this is also the main reason that I like to listen to recordings of live music when i can. with good bands, you'll never hear the same thing twice.
I still figure bandwidth is the big killer. I mean you can only stuff watermelons through a garden hose so fast.
As someone who's had a few sites get "slashdotted" this is exactly the problem. one of our servers in particular has been slashdotted more often then others (we even had a site mentioned on howard stern once, which puts slashdot to shame) and has always taken the hits in stride. Not because it's some huge bohemith of a machine (twin athlon 1.1 Ghz's, 2 GB of RAM) but because it's got two t3's stuck on the back of it.
As has been said many times before, Linux is not easier to use than Windows (I don't care what you say, it isn't), it doesn't run all of the latest games, and it's not compatible with as much hardware as Windows XP.
windows may be slightly easier to use than Linux (i don't think it is, but that's just me) and it may play more games (that i can't argue with) but claiming that windows XP supports more hardware than linux is a flat our lie. i haven't found a single ethernet card that works with windows XP out of the box, so whenever i want to set up a windows box for someone i need to download the drivers under linux and burn them to cd. (i've tried netgear, linksys, and xircom ethernet cards. none ever work out of the box and the xircoms don't have winXP drivers at all.) windows xp won't support my new USB 2.0 IDE hard drive enclosure, linux did right out of the box. windows XP won't support my nieces disney USB tablet, linux recognized it as a mouse and set it up within seconds. neither windows XP nor linux will support my el-cheapo logitech quickcam, however with some tinkering linux will get it working whereas it will never work under winXP. you can't play a DVD under winXP without paying like $40 for a software player after paying $60 for a DVD drive, under linux i just start up mplayer and i can play my dvd. my palm pilot synced with evolution minutes after opening the box, but i couldn't get winXP to stop trying to install its own drivers long enough to get the palm desktop software installed. i could go on, but the point is that with linux, my hardware just works, with windows XP i spend hours downloading drivers before _anything_ will work.
I don't think X is as bad as you think. With the correct drivers it's much faster than windows, and even without the correct drivers, it's pretty snappy.
The Adoption Of A Single, Standardized Interface Design.
both kde 3 and gnome 2 make attempts to standardize their interfaces. kde 3 will import gtk 1.x and 2.x themes and gnome 2 will set both gtk 1.x and 2.x themes to maintain a consitant interface. in addition, debian keeps a consistant application menu across desktops and keeps application associations updated system-side.
Make Graphical Setup "Wizards" For Everything.
take a look at apt with the gtk or ncurses interfaces.
Binary Distributions For Everything.
apt.
Workstation Configurations With Dangerous Deamons (ftpd, httpd, etc...) Turned Off By Default.
sorta like the debian default install.
sounds like we already have most of your requirements handled in debian (and with the debian desktop project, there will most likely be more apps designed to standardize the overall interface on X)
from the first comment on your site (that you usually get 2-5 hits per week) you could probably save a ton of money going with a shared host, unless you specifically like having your own machine on a very limited line that you never use. check out something like http://dividedsky.net/, where you can get a gig of space, 15 GB/month transfer limits, a shell account and web hosting under a single domain (yourname.com) with all the bells and whistles for $20 a month.
I'll play along... Let's say I delete IE... now I have no web browser, how am I going to downlad Mozilla?
actually, you can't uninstall IE (unless you use some 3rd party app like win98 lite), you can only remove the shortcuts to it and remove it from the "default browser" list. when MS said that IE was part of the OS, they weren't joking. all you need to do is pop open a windows explorer window after "uninstalling" IE, type http://www.mozilla.org/ in the address bar and you're back in an IE window.
Kind of a silly statement, since they're comparing every piece of software that runs on a linux platform to only microsoft applications. what would happen if you compared the "Linux security flaws" to flaws in every single piece of software that ever ran on Windows..
in addition, i think you'll find that since applications and libraries can be used by 3rd party applications more easily on open source systems, you have more code re-use. thus, 1 vulnerability, such as the one in OpenSSL, turns into 10 when you count in all the packages that use OpenSSL's SSL libraries. since MS closes the ssl libraries that they use with IIS, you'll find that there are probably 10 different ssl implementations on any one MS based system.
a third point is that this study counts advisories from each vendor regarding the same application as seprate advisories. so you have the following situation:
1 bug in OpenSSL affects 10 applications that use the OpenSSL libraries. advisories for those 10 applications are reported by 10 different Linux vendors. therefore, 1 bug in a piece of linux software generates 100 vulnerability reports. according to this logic, there are still roughly 100X more bugs in microsoft software alone then there are in every piece of software that is capable of running on Linux based OS's. that number is somewhat inflated, however my points are still valid, this study is turning 1 bug into many and comparing apples to oranges.
i've had the same set of working email addresses for 5+ years and i get maybe 1 spam out of 1000+ legitimate emails a day. i never spam-proof my email addresses on message boards/usenet/mailing lists either.
i block mail using dsbl.org, spamcop and a few simple procmail rules (when a spam does get through, i block that company via procmail). i don't ever lose legitimate mail, and i don't get any of the "anonymous spam" i used to get from people pretending to be @hotmail.com/yahoo.com/etc.
clearly the reason that these people claim that blacklists don't work is because they're not using them.
what if they mis- interpret what the original writer was trying to say? that would be libel, and they'd get sued left and right.
That's why they hire professional editors. They don't make that kind of mistake and, hence, are not "sued left and right."
I find it hard to believe that simply because these people are "professional editors" it means that they can't ever make mistakes in editing. Technical terms, jargon or slang may be mis-interpreted fairly easily and "corrected" to a word or phrase that means something completely different than what the original author meant. additionally the bias of the editor may enter into their "corrections", changing the whole meaning of the article entirely.
I'm not making any of this up. I've been published in periodicals and know what I am talking about.
i don't question your knowledge in this matter as much as i would question any publication that would go around purposely changing articles and misquoting writers without notifying the reader of those changes.
No, we expect them to quietly fix any errors so that the submitter is not presented in a bad light. Do you think that the letters to the editor of Road & Track, The New York Times or any other respected, mainstream publication are published unedited? Of course not.
i should hope that they don't edit letters to the editor. if they do, they have to send them back to the writer and get their approval before publishing those letters. what if they mis-interpret what the original writer was trying to say? that would be libel, and they'd get sued left and right.
it would be hard to catagorize Slack as a "major" vendor these days.
Now look, don't shoot me yet. It's simply true. It's a very small outfit and their product is used by a comparitively few. That's just he way it is.
Debian uses the stock tree too, but you might not call debian a major vendor either if you don't consider slackware a major vendor. i know a couple hundred people who use linux (and i know quite a few people who use *BSD as well) and the major distro among them was (until about 2 years ago) slackware. debian has moved in on that lately, but slackware is still #2. redhat/suse/mandrake/etc. aren't even on the map. the people i've met who do use those other distros are often asking to borrow my debian netinstall disks, so i'd guess some of them are moving over
either way, i would think about the linux community a bit more before i discount slackware or debian. slackware still has a very very strong hold on servers and with more "old school" unix users.
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Frymaster wrote:
the bottom line is this. you do not know that iraq has these so-called weapons of mass destruction.
then cheezedawg wrote:
What are you talking about? We know for sure that Saddam had them. Hell, we have even seen him use them! What we don't know, however, is if he destroyed them.
let's do some basic math here. if you have one apple, and you destroy that apple, how many apples do you have? according to cheezedawg, you still have one apple.
the UN inspectors went to verify that iraq destoyed their weapons. Iraq wasn't the most hospitable host to these inspectors, but they still haven't found any evidence to say that iraq still has any of their weapons. watching the news last night, i didn't hear any reports of iraq firing any weapons at anyone, even though the air raid sirens went off 3 times in kuwait city.
Amen, brother. I just spent two hours on the phone with a friend who was trying to find the working Windows XP driver for a Linksys 802.11 card.
this isn't really linksys's fault. none of the common networking cards i've ever come across (Xircom, linksys, netgear, 3Com, intel) are supported by winXP out of the box. If winXP wasn't factory installed, or if you don't still have the driver disk that came with your hardware, expect to spend several hours burning drivers to cds under linux before you can get your winXP machine network connected. i think this is part of microsoft's ploy to get people to start buying their networking gear (i'm hoping that atleast that will be supported out of the box)
3 words:
"ip http server"
plug that into the config of any recent cisco product and you've got a simple web based config system.
you want a paid internship?! ha! I'm a CS major at RPI and I'm graduating in May.. i know about 100 CS or engineering majors also graduating this year and not one of them has a job yet. this has people divided into 2 groups; people applying to grad schools (they pay a living stipend and take care of your tuition costs) and people who are just about ready to apply at mcdonalds after 4 years of college.
and you want a paid internship?! paid short-term positions were in short supply 2 years ago. Right now it's safe to say that microsoft's offer is the only one you're going to find left in the entire country. of course, you can always join the military or an get a job with an oil company. those are the only 2 sections of our economy that bush hasn't gone out of his way to trash.
RTFA.The article clearly says some interns dont get paid. Dont ask me which loophole of the law they use
no loopholes. this past summer i worked as an intern for MTVi (MTV's website + application development dept.) and i got college credit for my time there (but no pay at all). they actually wouldn't let me begin work there until i gave them the form saying that i was getting credit for it. I'm guessing that microsoft does the same thing and offers non-paid interns school credit.
I am a little short on cash this week. Would you mind posting the URL to the free mirror of that site? Phish is, of course, one of the groups consistently cited as encouraging free distribution of their concert recordings. . .
.shn format and therefore are much better for burning to CD. audience recordings are going to be done through microphones in the "tapers" section of the floor and therefore won't be as high quality.
you can still download someone else's recording of those shows (http://www.etree.org/ has a lot of them) but you can't download phish's official recordings for free. phish's recordings will be soundboard quality, in
e-mail tela@livephish.com. they respond to all messages within 48 hours.
i emailed them about this almost 3 weeks ago and haven't gotten anything back about it at all. i use the site exclusivley under linux and i've bought 2 shows from them in the past. i refuse to buy anything from them as long as that notice is up. (and i really do want to buy some of the newer shows)
and what if there isn't a single copy of BSA software in the entire building? do they have to pay you for lost time/productivity? what if the discovery software they use damages my PC? do they take down all the servers and reboot to run this software on them? i fail to see how this practice could be anything other than illegal..
if it's not, i think i'm going to get one of these court orders and search microsoft's entire corporate complex to make sure that they're complying with the EULA on the software that i wrote. (hello_world.c, which has a $10,000,000 per seat licensing cost)
First of all, I want to know more about how is the fine of $11,000 is incurred.
if it's anything like new york's state run DNC List, it's per incident and the cash goes straight to the victim.
one of the things that would make this really wonderful is if every phone number in the US was subscribed to it automatically when it became active. you can always remove yourself from the DNC list, and there might be someone somewhere that wants to get called in the middle of dinner to hear about how much money they can save by switching to vinyl siding.
See, if I want to spend three weeks screwing around with software packages and libraries and crap, maybe, just MAYBE I can watch a DVD on my system
if, on a recent linux system, it takes you any longer than 45 seconds to get easy dvd playback, you're doing something horribly wrong. "mplayer --dvdnav" or "mplayer --dvd 1" if you like to skip right to the movie.
DVD playback on windows, however, is a complete mess. i screwed around on WinXP for nearly a day trying to get dvd playback, to no avail. finally, i needed to find some serial number on a porn-filled warez search engine to get winDVD to play for more than 5 minutes without shutting off. why doesn't winXP come with a DVD player like debian/redhat/mandrake/suse does?
You'll note Slashdot uses MySQL and is very happy.
You misspelled "real fucking slow".
erm.. which slashdot are you using?
this article with all it's comments (242K of HTML alone) loads in less than 1 second on mozilla. i'm logged in and i have a bunch of custom content in slashboxes on the right hand side. in addition, all my foes + friends are properly marked throughout the page. I'm fairly sure that the 1/2 second delay is mozilla trying to render the HTML with all the messy nested tables and crap, not slashdot being slow in sending it.
as a point of refrence, wget downloads the same page (with me logged in) at over 550K/sec. less than 1/2 a second.
you can complain about the crappy editorial comments, the duplicate stories, the slashtrolls or the fact that taco can't spell, but saying that slashdot is slow is just stupid.
as for oracle, my school uses an oracle app called "banner" for student registration, grades and financial information. it's running on several monster dedicated AIX machines. Around registration time the system slows to a crawl, and often dies, with less than 1000 students pounding on it!
Seeing how easy it is to post a press release on riaa.org, is it really reasonable to trust anything that gets posted there?
ftp.freebsd.org is now just a tier-1 mirror, just like any other tier-1 mirror.
why isn't it just a round-robin DNS like http.us.debian.org and most other ftp.*.org sites? wouldn't _that_ be the simple solution, instead of pleading with people on slashdot to "please use one of the mirrors" ?
I personally think that all "radio" as we know it is doomed. I don't listen to the radio. I would rather listen to something i know. Like a cd I own.
personally, i _hate_ listening to CDs in the car. unless someone wants to buy me a 300 CD changer that will fit in my trunk, i'm never going to hear something that i couldn't already play back in my head. boring. i can listen to a cd maybe once a year, because it takes me about that long to forget what order the songs are in from the last time i heard it. if i wait about 3 or 4 years, i might actually forget some of the songs themselves, but only the less memorable ones. radio keeps me somewhat interested because i don't know what's going to come on next. and, since i don't listen to the main stream radio, i occasionally hear songs that i haven't heard before or haven't heard in 3 or 4 years.
this is also the main reason that I like to listen to recordings of live music when i can. with good bands, you'll never hear the same thing twice.
The ctrl-enter functionality in Phoenix is precisely the reason that I don't use Mozilla.
.com for you (and yes, I do know about the patch).
.com if it can't resolve what you typed.
I can't stand Mozilla not being able to automatically enter www.
with mozilla, you just have to hit enter. mozilla will automatically navigate to www. < what you typed >
I still figure bandwidth is the big killer. I mean you can only stuff watermelons through a garden hose so fast.
As someone who's had a few sites get "slashdotted" this is exactly the problem. one of our servers in particular has been slashdotted more often then others (we even had a site mentioned on howard stern once, which puts slashdot to shame) and has always taken the hits in stride. Not because it's some huge bohemith of a machine (twin athlon 1.1 Ghz's, 2 GB of RAM) but because it's got two t3's stuck on the back of it.
As has been said many times before, Linux is not easier to use than Windows (I don't care what you say, it isn't), it doesn't run all of the latest games, and it's not compatible with as much hardware as Windows XP.
windows may be slightly easier to use than Linux (i don't think it is, but that's just me) and it may play more games (that i can't argue with) but claiming that windows XP supports more hardware than linux is a flat our lie. i haven't found a single ethernet card that works with windows XP out of the box, so whenever i want to set up a windows box for someone i need to download the drivers under linux and burn them to cd. (i've tried netgear, linksys, and xircom ethernet cards. none ever work out of the box and the xircoms don't have winXP drivers at all.) windows xp won't support my new USB 2.0 IDE hard drive enclosure, linux did right out of the box. windows XP won't support my nieces disney USB tablet, linux recognized it as a mouse and set it up within seconds. neither windows XP nor linux will support my el-cheapo logitech quickcam, however with some tinkering linux will get it working whereas it will never work under winXP. you can't play a DVD under winXP without paying like $40 for a software player after paying $60 for a DVD drive, under linux i just start up mplayer and i can play my dvd. my palm pilot synced with evolution minutes after opening the box, but i couldn't get winXP to stop trying to install its own drivers long enough to get the palm desktop software installed. i could go on, but the point is that with linux, my hardware just works, with windows XP i spend hours downloading drivers before _anything_ will work.
Move Away From X-Windows.
I don't think X is as bad as you think. With the correct drivers it's much faster than windows, and even without the correct drivers, it's pretty snappy.
The Adoption Of A Single, Standardized Interface Design.
both kde 3 and gnome 2 make attempts to standardize their interfaces. kde 3 will import gtk 1.x and 2.x themes and gnome 2 will set both gtk 1.x and 2.x themes to maintain a consitant interface. in addition, debian keeps a consistant application menu across desktops and keeps application associations updated system-side.
Make Graphical Setup "Wizards" For Everything.
take a look at apt with the gtk or ncurses interfaces.
Binary Distributions For Everything.
apt.
Workstation Configurations With Dangerous Deamons (ftpd, httpd, etc...) Turned Off By Default.
sorta like the debian default install.
sounds like we already have most of your requirements handled in debian (and with the debian desktop project, there will most likely be more apps designed to standardize the overall interface on X)
from the first comment on your site (that you usually get 2-5 hits per week) you could probably save a ton of money going with a shared host, unless you specifically like having your own machine on a very limited line that you never use. check out something like http://dividedsky.net/, where you can get a gig of space, 15 GB/month transfer limits, a shell account and web hosting under a single domain (yourname.com) with all the bells and whistles for $20 a month.
I'll play along... Let's say I delete IE... now I have no web browser, how am I going to downlad Mozilla?
actually, you can't uninstall IE (unless you use some 3rd party app like win98 lite), you can only remove the shortcuts to it and remove it from the "default browser" list. when MS said that IE was part of the OS, they weren't joking. all you need to do is pop open a windows explorer window after "uninstalling" IE, type http://www.mozilla.org/ in the address bar and you're back in an IE window.
Kind of a silly statement, since they're comparing every piece of software that runs on a linux platform to only microsoft applications. what would happen if you compared the "Linux security flaws" to flaws in every single piece of software that ever ran on Windows..
in addition, i think you'll find that since applications and libraries can be used by 3rd party applications more easily on open source systems, you have more code re-use. thus, 1 vulnerability, such as the one in OpenSSL, turns into 10 when you count in all the packages that use OpenSSL's SSL libraries. since MS closes the ssl libraries that they use with IIS, you'll find that there are probably 10 different ssl implementations on any one MS based system.
a third point is that this study counts advisories from each vendor regarding the same application as seprate advisories. so you have the following situation:
1 bug in OpenSSL affects 10 applications that use the OpenSSL libraries. advisories for those 10 applications are reported by 10 different Linux vendors. therefore, 1 bug in a piece of linux software generates 100 vulnerability reports. according to this logic, there are still roughly 100X more bugs in microsoft software alone then there are in every piece of software that is capable of running on Linux based OS's. that number is somewhat inflated, however my points are still valid, this study is turning 1 bug into many and comparing apples to oranges.
i've had the same set of working email addresses for 5+ years and i get maybe 1 spam out of 1000+ legitimate emails a day. i never spam-proof my email addresses on message boards/usenet/mailing lists either.
i block mail using dsbl.org, spamcop and a few simple procmail rules (when a spam does get through, i block that company via procmail). i don't ever lose legitimate mail, and i don't get any of the "anonymous spam" i used to get from people pretending to be @hotmail.com/yahoo.com/etc.
clearly the reason that these people claim that blacklists don't work is because they're not using them.
what if they mis- interpret what the original writer was trying to say? that would be libel, and they'd get sued left and right.
That's why they hire professional editors. They don't make that kind of mistake and, hence, are not "sued left and right."
I find it hard to believe that simply because these people are "professional editors" it means that they can't ever make mistakes in editing. Technical terms, jargon or slang may be mis-interpreted fairly easily and "corrected" to a word or phrase that means something completely different than what the original author meant. additionally the bias of the editor may enter into their "corrections", changing the whole meaning of the article entirely.
I'm not making any of this up. I've been published in periodicals and know what I am talking about.
i don't question your knowledge in this matter as much as i would question any publication that would go around purposely changing articles and misquoting writers without notifying the reader of those changes.
No, we expect them to quietly fix any errors so that the submitter is not presented in a bad light. Do you think that the letters to the editor of Road & Track, The New York Times or any other respected, mainstream publication are published unedited? Of course not.
i should hope that they don't edit letters to the editor. if they do, they have to send them back to the writer and get their approval before publishing those letters. what if they mis-interpret what the original writer was trying to say? that would be libel, and they'd get sued left and right.
it would be hard to catagorize Slack as a "major" vendor these days.
Now look, don't shoot me yet. It's simply true. It's a very small outfit and their product is used by a comparitively few. That's just he way it is.
Debian uses the stock tree too, but you might not call debian a major vendor either if you don't consider slackware a major vendor. i know a couple hundred people who use linux (and i know quite a few people who use *BSD as well) and the major distro among them was (until about 2 years ago) slackware. debian has moved in on that lately, but slackware is still #2. redhat/suse/mandrake/etc. aren't even on the map. the people i've met who do use those other distros are often asking to borrow my debian netinstall disks, so i'd guess some of them are moving over
either way, i would think about the linux community a bit more before i discount slackware or debian. slackware still has a very very strong hold on servers and with more "old school" unix users.