You're right -- I've updated the story now to reflect the right time. Sheesh, I tried to be helpful by providing a more universal time figure than the article, and screwed it up -- sorry:( Brain, meet keyboard.
Like you say, it's east of the US, making the real target time 5:00 GMT.
I took a class at University of Texas (History of the Middle East) that required in-class Internet access (as in computer labs, not wireless laptops -- in my dad we didn't have feet etc etc). Online research, participation in the online forums, etc, were required.
Yeah, it's sort of an exception in that case. I can see it much more plausibly with, say, MIS classes, or classes on research.
There are quite a few comparisons made between Microsoft and Standard Oil. A lot of these essentially say the same thing you just did (It's good to break up MS, because it is akin to Standard Oil, and it was good to break up Standard Oil).
However, there are also quite a few making the opposite point -- that Standard Oil actually dropped the price of oil substantially, that it never "abused its monopoly power" in the way that people casually imply that it did or would have, and that Standard Oil's market share was dropping quite a bit by the time the breakup rolled around.
Here's one of those -- it comes from a free-market thinktank called the Foundation for Economic Education. I can't find in their archives one I read in their print edition 10 or so years ago about Standard Oil which preceded the MS breakup cries.
http://www.fee.org/freeman/98/9806/DiLorenzo.htm l
"Why would any developer worth their salt work on free software when they can get paid?"
Well... those things aren't in opposition:)
Most programmers in the country (around 90% is the number I've heard, I cannot back it up and would love to see contrary or supporting numbers) work on custom software for companies, doing things like tying together accounting systems with company email systems, or designing custom commerce systems. They can use Free software all they want, and get paid what they can get away with;)
They can also modify the code they work with -- and If they're not publishing the results, that's the end of it. Game over, they used free software and made money. If they modifying the code *and publishing* the result, the only restrictions they accept (under the GPL at least) is to provide the original source code they were provided (sounds fair) and the source code to their modified version (again, sounds fair to me) along with a copy of the license, which says others are similarly constrained in their republication, etc etc.
Under the BSD license, also considered Free by the Free Software Foundation, things don't even go that far -- the developer can say "Hey! This is a nify little solution I've worked out from freely availble tools licensed such that I can proprietize the whole thing and sell it for one... billion.. dollars." More power to 'em. If the price is past a certain threshold, others will put together a similar combo and either sell or give it away. Churn.
"Therefore, the best developers will naturally be working on the developments that make the most $, and that != free source."
Anna K. never infested my email box the way Sircam has, but for some people it probably did.
I hope the court took into consideration:
- cumulative time (at sysadmin rates) spent cleaning off the virus
- long-distance and other comms. telling infectees, infected systems' admins that their systems are infected
- lost time due to disk-full errors etc.
What else?
The real loss / damage is that people are pissed off at each other for passing on a virus which someone else specifically designed for them to be able to pass on unknowingly.
Like switching the brake and clutch in city buses. Ha ha, what a riot. OK, so no one got killed, but Ha ha! Look at me! How'd you like the hospital treating your loved ones to be putting their resources toward cleaning off this scum rather than toward keeping records straight, making sure your parent / sibling / spouse / child doesn't get a medicine they're allergic to, etc?
it was with a daily build (a few weeks old) of Mozilla 0.9.3 -- it never crashed, never even noticeably slowed down, over a more than 14-hour stretch. I was afraid both that the machine would crash and that my ISP connection would break, because phone service was so sketchy (this was not far from DC, but I circuits were busy all over the country). But I *expected* Mozilla to crash (I find that most browsers don't like to be on forever, Mozilla one of the worst offenders), and it never did. Thanks, Mozilla guys:) Good show.
Aside: for years, I've heard people praise IE to the skies. I've tried it out, have sampled a few versions of IE (on Mac and Windows) sometimes, but they've never impressed me as being better for anything *I* do / want to do than either Mozilla or Konqueror, and seem to crash just as often. My iBook came with both Netscape and IE installed, but so far no compelling advantages are apparent.
Actually, 10/100 cards are getting pretty cheap, but there's more to it than being a weenie or not;)
a) fewer pieces to carry around -- good thing.
b) if both capabilities could be used at once, you could, for instance, make a laptop into a base station for other wireless-equipped computers in the near
c) eventually, would be nice because the potential is there for it to be cheaper as a combo card (one chassis, two sought-after capabilites... )
I think this is a cool idea... just like laptops with two slots have been used this way, when someone has both an 802.11 and an Ethernet card that will fit in without blocking the other...
a) audio out -- Ah, so this *is* a normal headphone out? OK, that I was unclear on, thought it required the little converter yo-yo looking doodad for recording. SIlly me for not reading manual before complaining;) Still, I could rephrase, it's ridiculous that it doesn't come with a mic / line input as well.
b) external pwr supply -- Yes, this is typical of notebooks. It's still bad! Worse perhaps for being accepted as normal! Old Toshiba satellites had internal pwr supplies, not sure about the current ones. That's why I wanted a toshiba, but of course at the time I couldn't afford any laptop, never mind a nice one;)
C) Powerbook 1400 with clear panel -- Thanks! It's a very smart thing, wish apple would play up customization feature like that a lot more.
Actually, I was just putting a note on my website about my new iBook, pasted below. Basically, I'm happy with it -- good screen (great, really), OS X is nice, even if this machine will I hope end up running Linux most of the time, seems well built, firewire. The closest I've seen is one of the newer Sonys selling for the same price ($1500), except that one didn't come with an aesthetically acceptable operating system;)
From my angelfire cheap-oh page:
"Note: Early September 2001, I bought an Apple iBook, and am so far quite pleased with it. Seems to be the best thing going in notebooks at / near this price ($1500 for the midgrade model -- DVD player), though the last month has seen some interesting and cheap Intel notebooks. Mac OS X is quite nice, but the stock 128MB is not enough to run it well. When I finally figure out burning ISOs, hopefully this machine will also run Mandrake 8.1.
There are a lot of things wrong with the iBook, but a less overhwhelming number of things than are wrong with most notebooks, because it has a decent latch mechanism so far (hope it lasts), side-mounted CD-drive, 1024x768 screen, and decent battery life. However:
The keyboard, while better than many laptops', is far inferior to that of an IBM Thinkpad.
The power supply is external
It would have been easy to make the iBook more customizable in the way that the (eMate, was it?) had a clear panel to put pictures etc into.
Despite all the mice and men at work, there are a lot of things quite unintuitive about the Mac OS. This is not a complaint confined to the Mac OS -- *no* OS is intuitive. But I'd like to the Location Manager control panel specifically to be a little saner.
no audio out jack (must buy a separate doohickey) is ridiculous."
This list is incomplete of course, and will probably be added to. But I like the iBook well enough that I haven't touched my moderately-powerful intel laptop in the last 9 days, and have invested in more memory for the iBook (an additional 256MB for $35?! Insane. Should make OS X an acceptable option when it arrives.)
... is Bob Marley singing "One Cup of Coffee." (Dunno if that was a Marley original -- anyone?)
Of course, he died of cancer at an early age, but still...
And there's KD Lang's cover of Black Coffee on one of those "Just Say [X]" Sire Records samplers, too.
Coffee may not be to everyone's taste or good for the circulatory system, but its redolence has a powerful effect. Nothing like late-night coffee and blueberry pie...
This has been answered already by someone in a position to know:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=21192&cid=22 45 318
Switching codebases unfortunately led to some glitches. Censorship is the deliberate removal or blocking of information.
And in response to the silly "Slashdot as Censorware" silliness, note the Big Lie technique of posting this harangue multiple times, when the problem is already known, acknowledged and being worked on. How nice.
You're right -- it's annoying that dumb (and mostly bad) ascii art makes it past the filters while some legitimate stuff does not.
On one hand you have malice (infinite) working to destroy the site's continuity / coherence by posting obnoxious crap, on the other hand you have people working long hours to make the site readable as an interesting, multiplexed conversation. As pitiful as it sounds, the first group thinks their time is worth spending that way (why? I dunno... remember that kid in kindergarten who thought it was funny to pee on the carpet so everyone else would have to smell it? He's back.) That means that the 2nd group has to deal with fighting the carpet pissers.
If you have better ideas on how to make the filters better, so the site is more readable and fun for people above the age of 9, the slashcode site is waiting for them, either as code or well-phrased explanations.
a lot of people I think did not see this posting:
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/17/1915221.sh tm l (it was also mentioned in a slashback, when someone pointed out the several leap seconds that the unix timestamp does not account for).
There were also more than one posting about content protection on ATA drives. I'd point to one or more, if an airplane hadn't just struck the mountain which houses the/. search engine. Well, google helped me find this interview with Andre Hedrick: http://slashdot.org/interviews/01/01/10/1427235.sh tml
But if you don't like reading particular authors, you can turn them off in your preferences. If you don't like reading stories about particular topics, same thing. And if you don't like reading Slashdot, well...:) what can I tell ya besides make your choice and enjoy the returns?
I see this spelling a lot from British/. Australian people, dunno if it's a true Britishism:) but that's what I'd guess. Not that I'm a perfect speller, but this one is OK.
This may understate some things, but it's not as inaccurate as most reports are, in fact it probably does as decent a 2-graf job at summing up linux for the totally unaware as I've seen yet.
What would you rather he say in the same space? (Not a rhetorical question!)
I much prefer to install software (at least anything over several megs) with a CD than over the net, and there are a lot of old documents that I have converted to CD for storage. I wouldn't want to buy a machine without a CD-ROM drive:)
Is bootable (or other) CD-ROM support planned? Perhaps many people would be able to sample AtheOS easier if they could (for instance) order a CD from Cheapbytes and install it locally, pass to a friend etc.
Considering the progress on the other aspects of the system, how important do you think this is, or are there technical difficulties (other than time) in getting CD-ROM support to work?
The comments disappeared because of the DB problems we experienced yesterday; wish they hadn't. I also wish to meet Zhang Ziyi under romantic circumstances.
Sorry about the typo, too -- it was the third time creating that story because of crashes, and it slipped through my tired fingers. My fault, fixed now.
Slashdot Mirror
You're right -- I've updated the story now to reflect the right time. Sheesh, I tried to be helpful by providing a more universal time figure than the article, and screwed it up -- sorry :( Brain, meet keyboard.
Like you say, it's east of the US, making the real target time 5:00 GMT.
timothy
You're right -- I just updated it to reflect the right time :)
Sorry about that.
timothy
heh, you're absolutely right, I just updated to reflect this.
Thanks.
Tim
Yeah, it's sort of an exception in that case. I can see it much more plausibly with, say, MIS classes, or classes on research.
timothy
There are quite a few comparisons made between Microsoft and Standard Oil. A lot of these essentially say the same thing you just did (It's good to break up MS, because it is akin to Standard Oil, and it was good to break up Standard Oil).
m l
However, there are also quite a few making the opposite point -- that Standard Oil actually dropped the price of oil substantially, that it never "abused its monopoly power" in the way that people casually imply that it did or would have, and that Standard Oil's market share was dropping quite a bit by the time the breakup rolled around.
Here's one of those -- it comes from a free-market thinktank called the Foundation for Economic Education. I can't find in their archives one I read in their print edition 10 or so years ago about Standard Oil which preceded the MS breakup cries.
http://www.fee.org/freeman/98/9806/DiLorenzo.ht
timothy
Well ... those things aren't in opposition :)
Most programmers in the country (around 90% is the number I've heard, I cannot back it up and would love to see contrary or supporting numbers) work on custom software for companies, doing things like tying together accounting systems with company email systems, or designing custom commerce systems. They can use Free software all they want, and get paid what they can get away with ;)
They can also modify the code they work with -- and If they're not publishing the results, that's the end of it. Game over, they used free software and made money. If they modifying the code *and publishing* the result, the only restrictions they accept (under the GPL at least) is to provide the original source code they were provided (sounds fair) and the source code to their modified version (again, sounds fair to me) along with a copy of the license, which says others are similarly constrained in their republication, etc etc.
Under the BSD license, also considered Free by the Free Software Foundation, things don't even go that far -- the developer can say "Hey! This is a nify little solution I've worked out from freely availble tools licensed such that I can proprietize the whole thing and sell it for one ... billion .. dollars." More power to 'em. If the price is past a certain threshold, others will put together a similar combo and either sell or give it away. Churn.
"Therefore, the best developers will naturally be working on the developments that make the most $, and that != free source."
Premise flawed, conclusion does not follow :)
timothy
Oh well. Guess they'll have to figure it out on their own.
timothy
I only included part of the quote, because I'd like people to investigate what it means / where it's from.
;)
So I didn't run into the sig limit, really
Tim
I got that quote from ESR's page, and it may not be what you think it is :)
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/fortunes/rkba.html
timothy
Anna K. never infested my email box the way Sircam has, but for some people it probably did.
I hope the court took into consideration:
- cumulative time (at sysadmin rates) spent cleaning off the virus
- long-distance and other comms. telling infectees, infected systems' admins that their systems are infected
- lost time due to disk-full errors etc.
What else?
The real loss / damage is that people are pissed off at each other for passing on a virus which someone else specifically designed for them to be able to pass on unknowingly.
Like switching the brake and clutch in city buses. Ha ha, what a riot. OK, so no one got killed, but Ha ha! Look at me! How'd you like the hospital treating your loved ones to be putting their resources toward cleaning off this scum rather than toward keeping records straight, making sure your parent / sibling / spouse / child doesn't get a medicine they're allergic to, etc?
timothy
it was with a daily build (a few weeks old) of Mozilla 0.9.3 -- it never crashed, never even noticeably slowed down, over a more than 14-hour stretch. I was afraid both that the machine would crash and that my ISP connection would break, because phone service was so sketchy (this was not far from DC, but I circuits were busy all over the country). But I *expected* Mozilla to crash (I find that most browsers don't like to be on forever, Mozilla one of the worst offenders), and it never did. Thanks, Mozilla guys :) Good show.
Aside: for years, I've heard people praise IE to the skies. I've tried it out, have sampled a few versions of IE (on Mac and Windows) sometimes, but they've never impressed me as being better for anything *I* do / want to do than either Mozilla or Konqueror, and seem to crash just as often. My iBook came with both Netscape and IE installed, but so far no compelling advantages are apparent.
timothy
(wireless in the backyard, blacksburg va)
Actually, 10/100 cards are getting pretty cheap, but there's more to it than being a weenie or not ;)
... )
... just like laptops with two slots have been used this way, when someone has both an 802.11 and an Ethernet card that will fit in without blocking the other ...
a) fewer pieces to carry around -- good thing.
b) if both capabilities could be used at once, you could, for instance, make a laptop into a base station for other wireless-equipped computers in the near
c) eventually, would be nice because the potential is there for it to be cheaper as a combo card (one chassis, two sought-after capabilites
I think this is a cool idea
timothy
a) audio out -- Ah, so this *is* a normal headphone out? OK, that I was unclear on, thought it required the little converter yo-yo looking doodad for recording. SIlly me for not reading manual before complaining ;) Still, I could rephrase, it's ridiculous that it doesn't come with a mic / line input as well.
;)
b) external pwr supply -- Yes, this is typical of notebooks. It's still bad! Worse perhaps for being accepted as normal! Old Toshiba satellites had internal pwr supplies, not sure about the current ones. That's why I wanted a toshiba, but of course at the time I couldn't afford any laptop, never mind a nice one
C) Powerbook 1400 with clear panel -- Thanks! It's a very smart thing, wish apple would play up customization feature like that a lot more.
Cheers
timothy
don't most homes *already* have a robot family?
;)
timothy
From my angelfire cheap-oh page:
"Note: Early September 2001, I bought an Apple iBook, and am so far quite pleased with it. Seems to be the best thing going in notebooks at / near this price ($1500 for the midgrade model -- DVD player), though the last month has seen some interesting and cheap Intel notebooks. Mac OS X is quite nice, but the stock 128MB is not enough to run it well. When I finally figure out burning ISOs, hopefully this machine will also run Mandrake 8.1.
There are a lot of things wrong with the iBook, but a less overhwhelming number of things than are wrong with most notebooks, because it has a decent latch mechanism so far (hope it lasts), side-mounted CD-drive, 1024x768 screen, and decent battery life. However:
This list is incomplete of course, and will probably be added to. But I like the iBook well enough that I haven't touched my moderately-powerful intel laptop in the last 9 days, and have invested in more memory for the iBook (an additional 256MB for $35?! Insane. Should make OS X an acceptable option when it arrives.)
Cheers,
timothy
... is Bob Marley singing "One Cup of Coffee." (Dunno if that was a Marley original -- anyone?)
...
...
Of course, he died of cancer at an early age, but still
And there's KD Lang's cover of Black Coffee on one of those "Just Say [X]" Sire Records samplers, too.
Coffee may not be to everyone's taste or good for the circulatory system, but its redolence has a powerful effect. Nothing like late-night coffee and blueberry pie
timothy
This has been answered already by someone in a position to know:2 45 318
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=21192&cid=2
Switching codebases unfortunately led to some glitches. Censorship is the deliberate removal or blocking of information.
And in response to the silly "Slashdot as Censorware" silliness, note the Big Lie technique of posting this harangue multiple times, when the problem is already known, acknowledged and being worked on. How nice.
Anyhow.
timothy
You're right -- it's annoying that dumb (and mostly bad) ascii art makes it past the filters while some legitimate stuff does not.
... remember that kid in kindergarten who thought it was funny to pee on the carpet so everyone else would have to smell it? He's back.) That means that the 2nd group has to deal with fighting the carpet pissers.
On one hand you have malice (infinite) working to destroy the site's continuity / coherence by posting obnoxious crap, on the other hand you have people working long hours to make the site readable as an interesting, multiplexed conversation. As pitiful as it sounds, the first group thinks their time is worth spending that way (why? I dunno
If you have better ideas on how to make the filters better, so the site is more readable and fun for people above the age of 9, the slashcode site is waiting for them, either as code or well-phrased explanations.
timothy
a lot of people I think did not see this posting:h tm l (it was also mentioned in a slashback, when someone pointed out the several leap seconds that the unix timestamp does not account for).
/. search engine. Well, google helped me find this interview with Andre Hedrick: http://slashdot.org/interviews/01/01/10/1427235.sh tml
... :) what can I tell ya besides make your choice and enjoy the returns?
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/17/1915221.s
There were also more than one posting about content protection on ATA drives. I'd point to one or more, if an airplane hadn't just struck the mountain which houses the
But if you don't like reading particular authors, you can turn them off in your preferences. If you don't like reading stories about particular topics, same thing. And if you don't like reading Slashdot, well
timothy
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=sce ptical
/. Australian people, dunno if it's a true Britishism :) but that's what I'd guess. Not that I'm a perfect speller, but this one is OK.
I see this spelling a lot from British
timothy
This seems a bit off ... ;)
But maybe it's just me. I dunno how accurate this is. I don't seem to have any problem with it.
Chill?
timothy
No, though that might be useful sometimes.
timothy is single, but alas for all those who wish he was not, and despite a lack of overwhelming evidence, is also heterosexual.
I don't mind that you wish I was gay, it's very flattering and all, but sadly, it was not to be.
This may understate some things, but it's not as inaccurate as most reports are, in fact it probably does as decent a 2-graf job at summing up linux for the totally unaware as I've seen yet.
What would you rather he say in the same space? (Not a rhetorical question!)
timothy
Kurt:
:)
I much prefer to install software (at least anything over several megs) with a CD than over the net, and there are a lot of old documents that I have converted to CD for storage. I wouldn't want to buy a machine without a CD-ROM drive
Is bootable (or other) CD-ROM support planned? Perhaps many people would be able to sample AtheOS easier if they could (for instance) order a CD from Cheapbytes and install it locally, pass to a friend etc.
Considering the progress on the other aspects of the system, how important do you think this is, or are there technical difficulties (other than time) in getting CD-ROM support to work?
Best,
timothy
The comments disappeared because of the DB problems we experienced yesterday; wish they hadn't. I also wish to meet Zhang Ziyi under romantic circumstances.
Sorry about the typo, too -- it was the third time creating that story because of crashes, and it slipped through my tired fingers. My fault, fixed now.
Have a nice day.
timothy