no no no, not "displays", TVs. A 35" Sony HD is not the same, feature or purpose-wise as a Apple Studio display. These are complimentary products not competing products. E.g. I don't hang a $6000 Apple Cinema on my wall in the living room, I keep two of them in my lab -- I hang the Sony on the wall.
Additionally, Apple hardly makes their displays - and to some extent that is true for Sony as well... I'm sure both are manufactured by wage slaves in China.
This is surely the best rationalization I've heard yet of the weird rankings. Better than some of the other contrived explanations in this thread. Great job.
I mean they are all contrived, so no disrespect to anyone:-D
I love how BSG thread-jacks every discussion about sci-fi now. I think that is a true testament to it's potential.
In the middle of 2004, according a New York Times quote of a Gartner report on desktop operating systems, "By the end of the year, Linux will be running on 1% of the desktop PC's worldwide, compared with 2.8% for Apple MacOS, and 96% for Microsoft Windows."
Is there a more current report from Gartner or maybe IDC? I know IDC often favors Linux in the numbers, so Linux (all platforms) may edge out MacOS (all platforms)...
Oh, nevermind. The Amiga 1000 was introduced July 23, 1985. My faulty memory was too kind by 6 months.:-D
So anyhow, that just makes my point, the Mac was public knowledge while 4k colors [HAM] was still just Jay Miner's pet project... Commodore couldn't talk me into upgrading though, the next machine I could afford after the C-128 was 286.
Didn't the Amiga come out some months after the Mac? I mean I'll gladly eat crow if you can point me to some authentic document that points out the Commodore Amiga for sale before Jan. 1984. I thought the Amiga landed at the end of '84.
FWIW, this argument suffers from the same things that plagues the "iMac wasn't revolutionary" debate, namely the 'all in one-ness' of both vs the "hooks up to a TV" like all post-PET Commodores (and all Ataris and all Tandys etc etc). I mean compare the Apple Mac to the earlier [almost] all-in-one Commodore PET and you'd be giving a standing ovation too;)
(Of course this ignores the horrible state of [IBM] PC displays in '84... ah for the days before the term personal computer was co-opted by the wintel hegemony.)
I think Cringley's recent comments respond to your post nicely -- he says (to this effect anyway) "Would you rather have a Gateway LCD or a Sony LCD". He's speaking to the coming/rumored/inevitable sale of Sony products by Apple (and possibly vice versa); They already sell Sony cameras, for instance, so DVI displays and other hardware is the natural progression. What this says to me is that Apple wouldn't want to get in the way of SCE, they'd want to partner with it. So just like you say, Apple still stay a computer company, but partner with "Best of Breed" manufacturers to fill these other roles, like Sony.
Off topic and and only tangentially related, consider the excellent ps-one emulators available for the Mac.:-)
Slashdot must be a Cash Cow for OSDN. It must generate some non zero amount of money with ad views, presumably more than the bandwidth costs. Then you've got three dudes to inject it with volunteer donated content to keep the ad cycle going. Finally, you spend zero money on development.
1. Write some code in 1993 2. Get a huge following with volunteer support 3. Sell ads 4. ???? (whatever this step is, it doesn't involve improvement or development) 5. Profit!
I mean, hell, it's 2005 and the html is still all wacky, and slashcode is still all kludgey. Wouldn't CSS pay for itself?!
me: So you believe in creationism AND a multi-dimensional universe? Talk about eating from both ends of the sandwich.
you: How can you say such a thing? How is it possible that God could manifest His Spirit at any time and any place if there were not other dimensions?
Well, duh, because He is omnipotent and omnipresent. By definition there isn't any multi-dimensionality or other fantastic, theoritical physics or cosmology involved. Your response implies that God is limited to your understanding of 'dimensions' or even physical presence in one/some of them. How can God be IN the Universe if He made the Universe? The claim that multi-dimensionality is a prerequisite for God's omnipotence sounds suspect.
What's also interesting to me, is that God is in infinite places at once, encompassing the entire Universe, but only our little dustball contains life and his Son.
Makes me sorry for all those other planets that we observe. I mean, cause if they aren't all lifeless, they are all DAMNED.
All this conjecture isn't faithful though, so I'm going to stop.
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Sure this is absolutely accurate.
My gut says this kid didn't work in Jacksonville though, since we called all of them (regardless of promotion) "smart-transfers" (and not just tel-save). That kinda dates you a little too, since they later moved to a 'smart-transfer' system that was integrated into Merlin. It sounds like you weren't around to see that.;) Pretty good description of a Mac tech too... though I was one, I don't fit the generic description.
Anyhow, glad we both got out. Sadly, as bad as that job was, I haven't found a job that's better yet:-\
So you believe in creationism AND a multi-dimentional universe? Talk about eating from both ends of the sandwhich.
Do you accept the reasons for multi-dimentionality, or do you just rationalize them that God made it that way, and that the Infallible Word of God in the Bible just left that part out of Genesis?
-- (as so:) Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
(now quoting ChristianAnswers.net:) One standard explanation of the concept of "inspiration" is given by Ryrie:
God's superintendence of the human authors so that, using their own individual personalities, they composed and recorded without error His revelation to man in the words of the original autographs. (Charles Ryrie, A Survey of Bible Doctrine (Chicago: Moody Press, 1972), p. 38) --
Other comments in this same thread have covered this pretty well actually, what is it to be Christian if you don't accept the Word of the Bible as the Truth. E.g. For what original sin did Jesus die if there was no Adam and Eve?
I find it more contrived to reach for the 2 key than to just type to. But then again - that's coming from someone who can, you know, type in complete sentences. Not that you don't; I'm not trying to get a flame or something.
To be fair, I can arguably type l8s faster than I can type lates, but only because of the backwards layout of the qwerty keyboard, such that 'ates' is all typed with the left hand, while l8s does split it up between both.
Finally, invoking Perl for terse syntax when it was designed with natural language in mind... please.
Right, like my sibbling poster said, this really is wrong too. The URI outlines that name:password@host is correct. additionally, if you wanted to be explicit that it was an ssh connection you could merely say:
yo man - ssh://lachlan:abc@123.123.123 kthx bye.
Or whatever you leet youngsters are saying these days.
(See, that follows [protocol:][//[name:password@]host][/resource-path ], using basic notation for neccessary parameters and such.)
I guess we'll know how successful this argument is next year when the first round of retail sales numbers come back. And then the year after that, and the year after that. Until iD 'frees' Doom 3. Unless one or both go 'belly-up' as you prognosticate.
I'll bet that after both titles have been shipping for a year that Valve will have moved more units. Whether it will be because of Steam and it's anti-piracy measures will be just as debatable then, but something will have to account for the difference. If Steam is so much harder to use and live with, imagine the discrepancies in sales if it didn't exist...
The real deal is (sad or not) that these online activation schemes will become more pervasive as long as consumers of Windows and Consoles continue to get 'more wired.' Expect to see something like Steam or Xbox-Live from all big participants in the gaming space. The two separate architectures are going to converge in the future. The content delivery - activation service will become more and more like the content delivery - player matching service and vice versa. Imagine a world where chipped consoles don't matter, because they are all phoning home anyway.
I guess the cool part about driving piracy out of the video game market is that market pressure will be more directly felt by publishers and prices will fall, or at least stagnate as production values increase.
I guess 'cept cups that all of those goodies are stock installed. What I would want to see is some of the great OS X Server (gui) utils available for download/purchase (so you could administer your upgraded cube, or shiny g4 powermac just like an xserve) to 'home'/'small office' users.
You know if there was a cheap Xserve Jr. I'd want to enjoy the niceities of OS X Server without the cost.
Screw Walt Mossberg! I'm looking at the web sites right now, and the prices aren't even *close*! For the same price as a Mac, I can get a kick ass PC, with interchangeable parts, no vendor lock in, tons and tons of supported applications (more importantly, business applications). They'd be great for say, my grandmother, who would never need to upgrade, and who would never really need to install any apps, but in a business setting, unless you're in the graphics industry, they're pretty, very expensive doorstops.
Holy shit dude, are you kidding me? You throw 'no vendor lock in' at me IN THE SAME BREATH that you insinuate THAT I USE WINDOWS to get all those GREAT BUSINESS APPS??
(You can ignore this part if you are just after a flame: Any 'business software' that you could run on [open/free OS of choice] x86 (which I guess is the only non vendor lock-in on x86, so THAT MUST BE what you are talking about) could be or is ported to [open/free OS of choice] on PPC. So to conclude: If you are talking about Windows as less vendor lock-in than OS X you are misinformed.)
I have to warn you that a computer too slow to run X is going to take forever to rip and encode CDs (depending on format and encoder, a little).
I mean what do you need to run X, a 486 with 8 megs of ram and a 2 meg trident vga card? Any machine that doesn't meet those specs is going to spend hours encoding a CDs worth of audio.
Maybe you meant something else when you said it wouldn't be enough computer to run X.
This is a non-partisan observation, and indeed it extends past politics; in previous eras Dan Rather would be out of a job, now he stands on his "facts" for a few weeks, mumbles a vague and unsatisfying apology, and hopes for the best, which AFAIK he is getting. Same for CEOs. We punish people for apologizing or admitting fault and reward them for bulling through until the problem just goes away.
To me it's a little backwards that you think Dan Rather should get fired for one mistake (i.e. disregard his entire career for one transgression) and then turn around in the NEXT PARAGRAPH to say that '[we] should hold people to a more realistic standard'.
So which is it: Punish people absurdly for one mistake OR hold fallible humans to realistic standards?
How young are you? In previous eras Mr. Rather could have apologized and the pundits wouldn't even be around to put this moratorium over his and his institutions head. I think it's bizarre that people are slinging the term "Rather-gate" around like this is even remotely near the same caliber as Watergate.
'...runs the serious risk that a security flaw will not be addressed promptly or effectively since we are relying on the goodwill of programmers. How do we ensure "goodwill"?'
With donations.
(Donations are 'goodwill' in the other direction. Give me some goodwill -- preferably large enough to fund a bounty -- and I'll return some goodwill.)
me: I'm not going to buy a Technical Support Incident to get live feedback about what bugs are filed or not.
you: What does that have to do with whether you've filed a bug?
The only way for a student ADC membership to get followup on a submitted bug is to pay for a Technical Support Incident.:) Unless a developer contacts you back directly by email or phone, you don't get any information except whether the bug is open, closed, or duplicate. No one has ever written me back in 20 odd bug reports with the one exception of a thread between G. Ziemski and I (about caching and VolatileImages in 10.3's JVM).
I'm not going to buy a Technical Support Incident to get live feedback about what bugs are filed or not.
Unless you can link me to a list of oustanding/closed featuers and bugs I really can't be bothered to submit a detailed report just to check on it in ADC as closed a week later with no explanation.
Good idea though - if you have a higher membership level in ADC, let me know. You can email me about it at my first name dot last name at gmail.
Aside from that, I don't think it's any secret to the Ink developers about what it does or does not do. You'd imagine they have a least one intern that deals with QA and testing. Maybe I'll be that intern one day.
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no no no, not "displays", TVs. A 35" Sony HD is not the same, feature or purpose-wise as a Apple Studio display. These are complimentary products not competing products. E.g. I don't hang a $6000 Apple Cinema on my wall in the living room, I keep two of them in my lab -- I hang the Sony on the wall.
Additionally, Apple hardly makes their displays - and to some extent that is true for Sony as well... I'm sure both are manufactured by wage slaves in China.
This is surely the best rationalization I've heard yet of the weird rankings. Better than some of the other contrived explanations in this thread. Great job.
:-D
I mean they are all contrived, so no disrespect to anyone
I love how BSG thread-jacks every discussion about sci-fi now. I think that is a true testament to it's potential.
In the middle of 2004, according a New York Times quote of a Gartner report on desktop operating systems, "By the end of the year, Linux will be running on 1% of the desktop PC's worldwide, compared with 2.8% for Apple MacOS, and 96% for Microsoft Windows."
Is there a more current report from Gartner or maybe IDC? I know IDC often favors Linux in the numbers, so Linux (all platforms) may edge out MacOS (all platforms)...
Oh, nevermind. The Amiga 1000 was introduced July 23, 1985. My faulty memory was too kind by 6 months. :-D
So anyhow, that just makes my point, the Mac was public knowledge while 4k colors [HAM] was still just Jay Miner's pet project... Commodore couldn't talk me into upgrading though, the next machine I could afford after the C-128 was 286.
Didn't the Amiga come out some months after the Mac? I mean I'll gladly eat crow if you can point me to some authentic document that points out the Commodore Amiga for sale before Jan. 1984. I thought the Amiga landed at the end of '84.
;)
FWIW, this argument suffers from the same things that plagues the "iMac wasn't revolutionary" debate, namely the 'all in one-ness' of both vs the "hooks up to a TV" like all post-PET Commodores (and all Ataris and all Tandys etc etc). I mean compare the Apple Mac to the earlier [almost] all-in-one Commodore PET and you'd be giving a standing ovation too
(Of course this ignores the horrible state of [IBM] PC displays in '84... ah for the days before the term personal computer was co-opted by the wintel hegemony.)
Anyway, I look forward to any comments.
I think Cringley's recent comments respond to your post nicely -- he says (to this effect anyway) "Would you rather have a Gateway LCD or a Sony LCD". He's speaking to the coming/rumored/inevitable sale of Sony products by Apple (and possibly vice versa); They already sell Sony cameras, for instance, so DVI displays and other hardware is the natural progression. What this says to me is that Apple wouldn't want to get in the way of SCE, they'd want to partner with it. So just like you say, Apple still stay a computer company, but partner with "Best of Breed" manufacturers to fill these other roles, like Sony.
:-)
Off topic and and only tangentially related, consider the excellent ps-one emulators available for the Mac.
Slashdot must be a Cash Cow for OSDN. It must generate some non zero amount of money with ad views, presumably more than the bandwidth costs. Then you've got three dudes to inject it with volunteer donated content to keep the ad cycle going. Finally, you spend zero money on development.
:-D
1. Write some code in 1993
2. Get a huge following with volunteer support
3. Sell ads
4. ???? (whatever this step is, it doesn't involve improvement or development)
5. Profit!
I mean, hell, it's 2005 and the html is still all wacky, and slashcode is still all kludgey. Wouldn't CSS pay for itself?!
Sheesh.
Man. I sure did love GEOS, and it's descendent for the PC/XT, Geoworks. Damn you Windows, DAMN YOU! :-D
me: So you believe in creationism AND a multi-dimensional universe? Talk about eating from both ends of the sandwich.
you: How can you say such a thing? How is it possible that God could manifest His Spirit at any time and any place if there were not other dimensions?
Well, duh, because He is omnipotent and omnipresent. By definition there isn't any multi-dimensionality or other fantastic, theoritical physics or cosmology involved. Your response implies that God is limited to your understanding of 'dimensions' or even physical presence in one/some of them. How can God be IN the Universe if He made the Universe? The claim that multi-dimensionality is a prerequisite for God's omnipotence sounds suspect.
What's also interesting to me, is that God is in infinite places at once, encompassing the entire Universe, but only our little dustball contains life and his Son.
Makes me sorry for all those other planets that we observe. I mean, cause if they aren't all lifeless, they are all DAMNED.
All this conjecture isn't faithful though, so I'm going to stop.
Sure this is absolutely accurate.
;) Pretty good description of a Mac tech too ... though I was one, I don't fit the generic description.
:-\
My gut says this kid didn't work in Jacksonville though, since we called all of them (regardless of promotion) "smart-transfers" (and not just tel-save). That kinda dates you a little too, since they later moved to a 'smart-transfer' system that was integrated into Merlin. It sounds like you weren't around to see that.
Anyhow, glad we both got out. Sadly, as bad as that job was, I haven't found a job that's better yet
I did learn to juggle, though.
Wait wait wait...
So you believe in creationism AND a multi-dimentional universe? Talk about eating from both ends of the sandwhich.
Do you accept the reasons for multi-dimentionality, or do you just rationalize them that God made it that way, and that the Infallible Word of God in the Bible just left that part out of Genesis?
--
(as so:)
Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
(now quoting ChristianAnswers.net:)
One standard explanation of the concept of "inspiration" is given by Ryrie:
God's superintendence of the human authors so that, using their own individual personalities, they composed and recorded without error His revelation to man in the words of the original autographs. (Charles Ryrie, A Survey of Bible Doctrine (Chicago: Moody Press, 1972), p. 38)
--
Other comments in this same thread have covered this pretty well actually, what is it to be Christian if you don't accept the Word of the Bible as the Truth. E.g. For what original sin did Jesus die if there was no Adam and Eve?
I find it more contrived to reach for the 2 key than to just type to. But then again - that's coming from someone who can, you know, type in complete sentences. Not that you don't; I'm not trying to get a flame or something.
To be fair, I can arguably type l8s faster than I can type lates, but only because of the backwards layout of the qwerty keyboard, such that 'ates' is all typed with the left hand, while l8s does split it up between both.
Finally, invoking Perl for terse syntax when it was designed with natural language in mind... please.
Right, like my sibbling poster said, this really is wrong too. The URI outlines that name:password@host is correct. additionally, if you wanted to be explicit that it was an ssh connection you could merely say:
h ], using basic notation for neccessary parameters and such.)
yo man - ssh://lachlan:abc@123.123.123 kthx bye.
Or whatever you leet youngsters are saying these days.
(See, that follows [protocol:][//[name:password@]host][/resource-pat
I guess we'll know how successful this argument is next year when the first round of retail sales numbers come back. And then the year after that, and the year after that. Until iD 'frees' Doom 3. Unless one or both go 'belly-up' as you prognosticate.
I'll bet that after both titles have been shipping for a year that Valve will have moved more units. Whether it will be because of Steam and it's anti-piracy measures will be just as debatable then, but something will have to account for the difference. If Steam is so much harder to use and live with, imagine the discrepancies in sales if it didn't exist...
The real deal is (sad or not) that these online activation schemes will become more pervasive as long as consumers of Windows and Consoles continue to get 'more wired.' Expect to see something like Steam or Xbox-Live from all big participants in the gaming space. The two separate architectures are going to converge in the future. The content delivery - activation service will become more and more like the content delivery - player matching service and vice versa. Imagine a world where chipped consoles don't matter, because they are all phoning home anyway.
I guess the cool part about driving piracy out of the video game market is that market pressure will be more directly felt by publishers and prices will fall, or at least stagnate as production values increase.
I guess 'cept cups that all of those goodies are stock installed. What I would want to see is some of the great OS X Server (gui) utils available for download/purchase (so you could administer your upgraded cube, or shiny g4 powermac just like an xserve) to 'home'/'small office' users.
You know if there was a cheap Xserve Jr. I'd want to enjoy the niceities of OS X Server without the cost.
Screw Walt Mossberg! I'm looking at the web sites right now, and the prices aren't even *close*! For the same price as a Mac, I can get a kick ass PC, with interchangeable parts, no vendor lock in, tons and tons of supported applications (more importantly, business applications). They'd be great for say, my grandmother, who would never need to upgrade, and who would never really need to install any apps, but in a business setting, unless you're in the graphics industry, they're pretty, very expensive doorstops.
Holy shit dude, are you kidding me? You throw 'no vendor lock in' at me IN THE SAME BREATH that you insinuate THAT I USE WINDOWS to get all those GREAT BUSINESS APPS??
(You can ignore this part if you are just after a flame: Any 'business software' that you could run on [open/free OS of choice] x86 (which I guess is the only non vendor lock-in on x86, so THAT MUST BE what you are talking about) could be or is ported to [open/free OS of choice] on PPC. So to conclude: If you are talking about Windows as less vendor lock-in than OS X you are misinformed.)
I have to warn you that a computer too slow to run X is going to take forever to rip and encode CDs (depending on format and encoder, a little).
I mean what do you need to run X, a 486 with 8 megs of ram and a 2 meg trident vga card? Any machine that doesn't meet those specs is going to spend hours encoding a CDs worth of audio.
Maybe you meant something else when you said it wouldn't be enough computer to run X.
gp: Right now, being stupid is what's seen as being cool.
you: Maybe for high school aged youngsters, but I doubt this holds true for college aged folk and up.
I guess you haven't been to college yet/lately.
This is a non-partisan observation, and indeed it extends past politics; in previous eras Dan Rather would be out of a job, now he stands on his "facts" for a few weeks, mumbles a vague and unsatisfying apology, and hopes for the best, which AFAIK he is getting. Same for CEOs. We punish people for apologizing or admitting fault and reward them for bulling through until the problem just goes away.
To me it's a little backwards that you think Dan Rather should get fired for one mistake (i.e. disregard his entire career for one transgression) and then turn around in the NEXT PARAGRAPH to say that '[we] should hold people to a more realistic standard'.
So which is it: Punish people absurdly for one mistake OR hold fallible humans to realistic standards?
How young are you? In previous eras Mr. Rather could have apologized and the pundits wouldn't even be around to put this moratorium over his and his institutions head. I think it's bizarre that people are slinging the term "Rather-gate" around like this is even remotely near the same caliber as Watergate.
'...runs the serious risk that a security flaw will not be addressed promptly or effectively since we are relying on the goodwill of programmers. How do we ensure "goodwill"?'
With donations.
(Donations are 'goodwill' in the other direction. Give me some goodwill -- preferably large enough to fund a bounty -- and I'll return some goodwill.)
Also, the bug in ADC's bugreporter is Problem ID: 3828160
me: I'm not going to buy a Technical Support Incident to get live feedback about what bugs are filed or not.
:) Unless a developer contacts you back directly by email or phone, you don't get any information except whether the bug is open, closed, or duplicate. No one has ever written me back in 20 odd bug reports with the one exception of a thread between G. Ziemski and I (about caching and VolatileImages in 10.3's JVM).
you: What does that have to do with whether you've filed a bug?
The only way for a student ADC membership to get followup on a submitted bug is to pay for a Technical Support Incident.
Touché. ;)
Oh - but getting back to the question at hand - have you used both the Newton MP 2100 and a compatible tablet with Ink in 10.3?
I'm really interested in your take on the two experiences.
I'm not going to buy a Technical Support Incident to get live feedback about what bugs are filed or not.
Unless you can link me to a list of oustanding/closed featuers and bugs I really can't be bothered to submit a detailed report just to check on it in ADC as closed a week later with no explanation.
Good idea though - if you have a higher membership level in ADC, let me know. You can email me about it at my first name dot last name at gmail.
Aside from that, I don't think it's any secret to the Ink developers about what it does or does not do. You'd imagine they have a least one intern that deals with QA and testing. Maybe I'll be that intern one day.