The other poster had a good comment. I disagree with your comment though. Beige G3s were introduced in Spring of 98 (actually announced in the Fall of 97 1 month after my 8600/300 arrived). There's no reason for anyone to expect a fancy GUI OS to support 5+ year-old hardware. Nor would you expect any reasonable person to want to run the latest OS on hardware from 6+ years ago. That would be like trying to run Windows XP or Windows 2003 Server on a PII 333. I would only wish a fate like that to a few spammers I know. The B&W line was introduced the next Spring, 99. That makes it 5+ years old. That would equate it to a 450/500 PIII. Still no where near a machine I'd put XP on. 95 or 98, yes. ME never even on a new machine. 2K? If I stripped it down. XP, oh hell no.:) Now I would be happy if Apple managed to include some support for their newer OSs in the not quite so old hardware. That certainly seems reasonable. I think that will be possible thanks to OS X's BSD underpinnings. The OS should at least run slower and the machine need more RAM to run it. That's acceptable.
Nope. Haven't seen that one. I'm waiting for it to come HBO. Na, this was just an RV, an enormous RV, but an RV nonetheless. I was impressed. Nice engineering job on that one. No towing a car behind on an idiot stick, tossing rocks at it. It's all self contained. Slick!
This is a little offtopic but I saw a slick RV on the Travel channel that came with a builtin Mini. Literally. The back end of this open up and a ramp came down like some James Bond super truck. The mini was basically just under the master bedroom in the far back of the RV. I want one. That thing only cost something like $500k.:-) It has move cubic living space than my last house! No we can get back on topic.:)
Actually, I've only used iCal a couple of times. At my last job we used Corporate Time, then owned by Steltor (I think) and now owned by Oracle. The Mac versions I tried for well over a years were horrible pieces of shit. Everytime I'd modify a meeting all the attendees and resources would be removed. Fortunately the office secretary was really nice and added meetings for me (even better because she controlled the conference room resource). The program got much better in the end. I was even putting personal things in it. I miss it now. Any recommendations on a good web-based calendar would be gladly accepted.
I think their hardware support is fine. It's just finding hardware vendors that make hardware for the platform that's the real problem. Companies like Adaptec and ATI try to gouge the Mac user by not releasing PCI cards that could work in either box (albeit with a quick firmware flash). They are the real problems.:-(
From the makers of "Dude, Where's My Car?" comes this summer's romantic routing comedy, "Dude, Where's My Router Blades?", a traceroute through a DS3 interface's puberty through to it's first 3-way handshake.
Vixie gives it an allow ACL.
Cisco's "Packet" magazine calls it "this season's most secure flick".
NANOG calls it "an interface to remember".
(ignore the creative liberties. I was out of ways to tie things together...)
Do you actually need support? We're dumping RH because we don't need support, never have in all the years we've been running RH. Hell I even got the marketing guy to understand this after explaining it a few times. He couldn't understand why we needed support. Eventually we made sense of it for him when we showed him how much it would have cost us to buy support for all the various RH releases we were running on all our different servers over all the years we've ran RH and not once use it. That finally made sense to him. Then he had to ask why we never needed it. The response was pretty simple too. We are incompotent.:-) Not saying you are either. Read my other rants on the notion of support. We're switching our entire production line to Gentoo within the year.
Don't use the setup I'm currently using. My computer chair is a metal folding chair (plain jane chair like what you might see at an old school). Without any chair arms I have to prop my arms up with my elbows and knees. This means I have to lean forward to type. My keyboard i sitting on top of one of my servers (the taller of the 2 servers) at an angle. The other server is sitting about 2 inches away parallel to the first server. The mouse sits between the top front edge of that case and the angled keyboard sitting on the other case. With me sitting directly in front of my keyboard which sits at 45 to my server cases) my monitor (nice big Mitsubishi 2070SB-BK) is at my 3 o'clock position. This setup is a royal PITA and back. Since my arms are above me keyboard and mouse my wrists are at an unusal angle. This makes my hands ache. This setup sucks. Thank god I'm moving soon and can buy a new computer desk. Woohooo
We're not talking about an average machine or the components in it. We're talking about a box designed for the sole purpose of spamming. Have you ever seen or used and Ironport system? It's sole purpose in life is to send massive amounts of mail to a list of recipients. It doesn't have legit uses as a mailing list server (think SourceForge). All it is meant to do is spew mail. Take a peak at the Ironport A60 at refhost.net. BTW, refhost.net operates an MLM scam (pyramid scam). That A60 has been trained with over 275 MILLION recipient addresses. It has 600,000 queued up pieces of spam waiting for hotmail.com recipients alone. We're not talking about a PC made by IBM. This box was designed to fill our inboxes with their spam.
Well at least SpamCop can afford to defend itself now since it was bought by Ironport, a company that produces hardware that's designed to spam. Ironic really, biting the hand the feeds you.
I guess I must be the exception to your uneducated theory because I'm doing just that.
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On the contrary we're planning on dumping Redhat with extreme predjudice got Gentoo in the very near future. We don't need support for our Linux servers. In all our years of having Linux servers we have yet to call tech support for the OS on any of them, period. A compotent sysadm shouldn't need tech support for something they should know like the back of their hand. Why pay for something you've never needed and shouldn't ever need?
Have you ever successfully attempted this? I've tried it before, RH 6.1 --> 6.2 & 7.1/2 --> 7.3, and have NEVER had a successful upgrade. And I'm pretty damned good at admining the Redhat distribution.
Me either. I donated as well. I would like to have some sort of membership card though. That would be nice. I'm also going to get a lifetime membership with the NRA soon. Now I know what many folks think: "Not another GUN nut!". It's not like that though. It is another right that many would like to strip away from us. Many folks don't see a modern use for firearms. Those folks most likely have never left the limits of a major city for any length of time, if ever. They've never hunted. They've never participated in a marksmanship or cowboy action contest. They've never set foot in an unpopulated land where undomesticated animals can present a problem (mountain lion attacks are not uncommon despite what your state's wildlife fish and game dept might say, even here in Kansas). Odds are they've never even fired a firearm. They also aren't familiar with the statistics that show how the concealed carry of guns actually lowers crime. Well, I'm rambling. I'll stop now.:-)
I know some folks don't like the ACLU's stance on everything (see my sig) but you've got to give them credit for doing things like this. This is why I believe we should all support their efforts. Sure they sometimes defend someone we'd frankly like to see get the needle for saying something about race or something that's pro-Nazi. Few folks understand that to defend the 1st Amendment you have to defend all violations of that amendment, even those that you yourself don't agree with. This quote comes to mind:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall under the pseudonym S[tephen] G. Tallentyre.
The stigma about being a card-carrying member of the ACLU is just that, a negative stigma. It's not something to be ashamed of though. Would you be ashamed of being a card-carrying member of the EFF or EPIC? There's nothing shameful about asserting your rights.
I'll have to take a peak at that. I found another one on VersionTracker after I posted my message. Terminal.app is just plain awful. I wish they'd put a little effort into fixing it.
I just wanted to toss something out here because I see it happen a lot. Many folks talk about how long is takes Gentoo to compile things. It's a common discussion around the 'Net. However I'd say close to 90, maybe 95% of the time when people refer to "days" or numerous hours for an install they are using far inferior machines. It's not meant as an insult. I see it an awful lot though. People complain about the compile times and yet they are using a PII 350 with 128MB of RAM. That machine is what, 6 years old? Compile times with a version of Gentoo using 6 year old versions of software packages would be admirably quick. People are trying to use compile new versions of software with very dated machines. Anyhow, I see folks make that duration claims and thought I'd throw that tidbit out there. I haven't yet had time to install Gentoo (bought the CDs and even downloaded all 24GB of distfiles). I suspect it will compile quite quickly on either my dual 2400MP or my dual 2.8 Xeon boxes. I don't expect it'll take too terribly long.
I'm following the parent's thread and don't see anyone mention a Terminal.crap replacement. God I hate Terminal. Please somebody, PLEASE make a replacement for Terminal! If only for that I'd be happy. There's nothing like being able to quit and lose a dozen active terms with no warning. @#$%^&*()!!!!!
OH man, BBEdit is 'da bomb. I love BBEdit to death do us part. Besides being a Mac head (for the GUI), BBEdit is probably my most used Mac tool. I write everything in it from perl and shell scripts to HTML and PHP code. All my MRTG and Nagios configs are generated with BBEdit of course. Hell I do everything in it. I too wish they had a Windows version. Nothing else for Windows seems to come close to BBEdit. Come on Bare Bones. Give us a Windows version! Maybe I just need to get a new Mac.:-)
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The other poster had a good comment. I disagree with your comment though. Beige G3s were introduced in Spring of 98 (actually announced in the Fall of 97 1 month after my 8600/300 arrived). There's no reason for anyone to expect a fancy GUI OS to support 5+ year-old hardware. Nor would you expect any reasonable person to want to run the latest OS on hardware from 6+ years ago. That would be like trying to run Windows XP or Windows 2003 Server on a PII 333. I would only wish a fate like that to a few spammers I know. The B&W line was introduced the next Spring, 99. That makes it 5+ years old. That would equate it to a 450/500 PIII. Still no where near a machine I'd put XP on. 95 or 98, yes. ME never even on a new machine. 2K? If I stripped it down. XP, oh hell no. :) Now I would be happy if Apple managed to include some support for their newer OSs in the not quite so old hardware. That certainly seems reasonable. I think that will be possible thanks to OS X's BSD underpinnings. The OS should at least run slower and the machine need more RAM to run it. That's acceptable.
Nope. Haven't seen that one. I'm waiting for it to come HBO. Na, this was just an RV, an enormous RV, but an RV nonetheless. I was impressed. Nice engineering job on that one. No towing a car behind on an idiot stick, tossing rocks at it. It's all self contained. Slick!
This is a little offtopic but I saw a slick RV on the Travel channel that came with a builtin Mini. Literally. The back end of this open up and a ramp came down like some James Bond super truck. The mini was basically just under the master bedroom in the far back of the RV. I want one. That thing only cost something like $500k. :-) It has move cubic living space than my last house! No we can get back on topic. :)
Actually, I've only used iCal a couple of times. At my last job we used Corporate Time, then owned by Steltor (I think) and now owned by Oracle. The Mac versions I tried for well over a years were horrible pieces of shit. Everytime I'd modify a meeting all the attendees and resources would be removed. Fortunately the office secretary was really nice and added meetings for me (even better because she controlled the conference room resource). The program got much better in the end. I was even putting personal things in it. I miss it now. Any recommendations on a good web-based calendar would be gladly accepted.
I think their hardware support is fine. It's just finding hardware vendors that make hardware for the platform that's the real problem. Companies like Adaptec and ATI try to gouge the Mac user by not releasing PCI cards that could work in either box (albeit with a quick firmware flash). They are the real problems. :-(
Vixie gives it an allow ACL.
Cisco's "Packet" magazine calls it "this season's most secure flick".
NANOG calls it "an interface to remember".
(ignore the creative liberties. I was out of ways to tie things together...)
Cheap Than Dirt usually has good deals on ammo, mags, holsters, etc...
Do you actually need support? We're dumping RH because we don't need support, never have in all the years we've been running RH. Hell I even got the marketing guy to understand this after explaining it a few times. He couldn't understand why we needed support. Eventually we made sense of it for him when we showed him how much it would have cost us to buy support for all the various RH releases we were running on all our different servers over all the years we've ran RH and not once use it. That finally made sense to him. Then he had to ask why we never needed it. The response was pretty simple too. We are incompotent. :-) Not saying you are either. Read my other rants on the notion of support. We're switching our entire production line to Gentoo within the year.
Don't use the setup I'm currently using. My computer chair is a metal folding chair (plain jane chair like what you might see at an old school). Without any chair arms I have to prop my arms up with my elbows and knees. This means I have to lean forward to type. My keyboard i sitting on top of one of my servers (the taller of the 2 servers) at an angle. The other server is sitting about 2 inches away parallel to the first server. The mouse sits between the top front edge of that case and the angled keyboard sitting on the other case. With me sitting directly in front of my keyboard which sits at 45 to my server cases) my monitor (nice big Mitsubishi 2070SB-BK) is at my 3 o'clock position. This setup is a royal PITA and back. Since my arms are above me keyboard and mouse my wrists are at an unusal angle. This makes my hands ache. This setup sucks. Thank god I'm moving soon and can buy a new computer desk. Woohooo
We're not talking about an average machine or the components in it. We're talking about a box designed for the sole purpose of spamming. Have you ever seen or used and Ironport system? It's sole purpose in life is to send massive amounts of mail to a list of recipients. It doesn't have legit uses as a mailing list server (think SourceForge). All it is meant to do is spew mail. Take a peak at the Ironport A60 at refhost.net. BTW, refhost.net operates an MLM scam (pyramid scam). That A60 has been trained with over 275 MILLION recipient addresses. It has 600,000 queued up pieces of spam waiting for hotmail.com recipients alone. We're not talking about a PC made by IBM. This box was designed to fill our inboxes with their spam.
It's trivial for a compotent person to track down the source of spam. I've been making good money doing it for years. There is always a money trail.
Take your pick.
Well at least SpamCop can afford to defend itself now since it was bought by Ironport, a company that produces hardware that's designed to spam. Ironic really, biting the hand the feeds you.
I guess I must be the exception to your uneducated theory because I'm doing just that.
On the contrary we're planning on dumping Redhat with extreme predjudice got Gentoo in the very near future. We don't need support for our Linux servers. In all our years of having Linux servers we have yet to call tech support for the OS on any of them, period. A compotent sysadm shouldn't need tech support for something they should know like the back of their hand. Why pay for something you've never needed and shouldn't ever need?
Have you ever successfully attempted this? I've tried it before, RH 6.1 --> 6.2 & 7.1/2 --> 7.3, and have NEVER had a successful upgrade. And I'm pretty damned good at admining the Redhat distribution.
Me either. I donated as well. I would like to have some sort of membership card though. That would be nice. I'm also going to get a lifetime membership with the NRA soon. Now I know what many folks think: "Not another GUN nut!". It's not like that though. It is another right that many would like to strip away from us. Many folks don't see a modern use for firearms. Those folks most likely have never left the limits of a major city for any length of time, if ever. They've never hunted. They've never participated in a marksmanship or cowboy action contest. They've never set foot in an unpopulated land where undomesticated animals can present a problem (mountain lion attacks are not uncommon despite what your state's wildlife fish and game dept might say, even here in Kansas). Odds are they've never even fired a firearm. They also aren't familiar with the statistics that show how the concealed carry of guns actually lowers crime. Well, I'm rambling. I'll stop now. :-)
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall under the pseudonym S[tephen] G. Tallentyre.
The stigma about being a card-carrying member of the ACLU is just that, a negative stigma. It's not something to be ashamed of though. Would you be ashamed of being a card-carrying member of the EFF or EPIC? There's nothing shameful about asserting your rights.
I'll have to take a peak at that. I found another one on VersionTracker after I posted my message. Terminal.app is just plain awful. I wish they'd put a little effort into fixing it.
LOL. I was just kidding about taking notes. That was how my last date went though. She was good looking but definitely an odd duck.
I just wanted to toss something out here because I see it happen a lot. Many folks talk about how long is takes Gentoo to compile things. It's a common discussion around the 'Net. However I'd say close to 90, maybe 95% of the time when people refer to "days" or numerous hours for an install they are using far inferior machines. It's not meant as an insult. I see it an awful lot though. People complain about the compile times and yet they are using a PII 350 with 128MB of RAM. That machine is what, 6 years old? Compile times with a version of Gentoo using 6 year old versions of software packages would be admirably quick. People are trying to use compile new versions of software with very dated machines. Anyhow, I see folks make that duration claims and thought I'd throw that tidbit out there. I haven't yet had time to install Gentoo (bought the CDs and even downloaded all 24GB of distfiles). I suspect it will compile quite quickly on either my dual 2400MP or my dual 2.8 Xeon boxes. I don't expect it'll take too terribly long.
I'm following the parent's thread and don't see anyone mention a Terminal.crap replacement. God I hate Terminal. Please somebody, PLEASE make a replacement for Terminal! If only for that I'd be happy. There's nothing like being able to quit and lose a dozen active terms with no warning. @#$%^&*()!!!!!
SecureCRT for me.
LOL. Sex toys? Is there something you're trying to tell us?
OH man, BBEdit is 'da bomb. I love BBEdit to death do us part. Besides being a Mac head (for the GUI), BBEdit is probably my most used Mac tool. I write everything in it from perl and shell scripts to HTML and PHP code. All my MRTG and Nagios configs are generated with BBEdit of course. Hell I do everything in it. I too wish they had a Windows version. Nothing else for Windows seems to come close to BBEdit. Come on Bare Bones. Give us a Windows version! Maybe I just need to get a new Mac. :-)