49 minutes, 13 seconds Submitted by Sylvain Gregoire on Thursday, October 28, 1999 - 6:06 PM
Windows NT Server 4.0 SP5 256MB of RAM 1 x PII 400
...and a 300 meg RLL drive...
Hell, I have a 486DX/33 with an empty 540 meg drive and 16 megs of RAM that I use as a testbed for reverse engineering unknown EXEs people send me and whatnot... I should put NT on it, install IIS and exchange and see what that does to it...
Side note: the main server for my house is a 486DX2/66 with 48 megs of ram and a 4GB drive running Redhat 6. Reboot time is close to 3 minutes. Uptime is usually 60 days or until I blow away either the root account or the boot partition, which is a lot more frequently than 60 days. =)
::The MS mouse that came with my P-166 yonks ago only lasted a few months. The replacement $20 Logitech First Mouse is STILL GOING, like years later.::
Bah. I'm using a $.99 mouse that I bought at Fry's three years ago. It's the longest lasting mouse I ever bought. If/when it goes, I have a stack of space $.99 mice in the closet. Right next to the stack of high quality $2.99 keyboards (the one I'm using of the same model has lasted about as long as the mouse, I might add.)
Does anyone know of a large DIN-5 keyboard connector -> USB convertor? I have the feeling I will need one before too long if I want to upgrade my mobo...
I believe that Nova did a 1-hour documentary on Cliff Stoll and the Cuckoo's Egg story. I personally thought it was fascinating, because it showed how a "real" sysadmin went about finding a cracker. They didn't spruce it up at all, they used all the real people, basically recreating the story (from Cliff's wacky perspective).
Ah. It was entitled "The KGB, A Computer, and Me." No, I am not making this up. I think I still have an Nth generation copy lying around here someplace...
I saw one of the textbooks for the OS class, and this thing stated that NT5.0 was coming out at the end of the year, and that since it was one of the newest OS's around, it was functionally better than Unix.
PHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!$@#%@$%#$%#$%
Sh'yah RIGHT! This is *MS*, the company that regularly REMOVES useful features from their products while introducing bugs! Some of my old DOS tricks from the mid 80s no longer work under 9x, yet most of my shell scripts from ye olde days still work without a hitch (or at least, with minor modifications).
IE5 has got it right. First off, the "desktop integration" is down to IE3 levels, rather than IE4. But there are three main reasons I'm using it over Netscape right now:
1) It renders large tables almost on the fly. 2) You can customize the toolbar and take out all those buttons you never use (you can have a toolbar consisting of merely back, forward, and stop if you wanted.) 3) Drop down menu for language encoding. I can go to one of the many japanese sites in my bookmarks and it automatically decodes the JIS. I NEVER got this to work in Netscape.
::For the ultimate in window-spawning abuse, go here. [Timex's Internet Time site]::
Does anyone know if the latest version of internet time is mirrored anywhere? I can NOT find it ANYWHERE in that POS, poorly designed, JavaShit obsessed site.
Their webmaster, aside from being fired, should be drug out into the street, shot, then roasted over a spit.
I had to call AT&T's support and get them to read me this ten digit gibberish password over the phone so that I could setup a ppp script in linux. AT&T claims that it is done this way for security sake.
Wait a min... they were able to read your password to you over the phone (for security reasons?) Sheesh, something tells me these people ain't using shadowed passwords...
NO! NO! NO! You got it ALL wrong! Janet Reno's the mother of the Internet, Al Gore is the father of the Internet, Linus helped deliver the child, and Virginia adopted the worthless little shit.
Yah. Get a local ISP. The kind where everyone knows the first name of the guy in charge. The kind of ISP where a call to the service department means you can hear dogs barking in the background and the resident geek's wife watching soap operas in the living room.
And oh yah - usually the service is cheaper and they support Linux. Hell, most locals run ON Linux.
(4) Animations. Well, when not abused, I s'ppose it's ok. Thank god browsers don't try to support animated gif tiled backgrounds (yikes!) That's worse than who pages enclosed in BLINK tags.
I have seen quite a few pages that have animated backgrounds in Netscape 4.5 at the very least. It's a shooting offense, PERIOD.
I can't get to www.windows2000test.com to test this, but given the conversation on the group, the w2k box has a guestbook running that doesn't check for javascript. As the W2K test box doesn't have any remote admin stuff running (or so we're told), at some point, SOMEONE at the w2k test box will look at their guestbook whilst sitting at the console. So, asking as a person who hates Javash^Hcript with a passion, how easy would it be to write a JScript that installs back orifice whenever the IP of the reader matches the IP of w2ktest.com? You can NOT look me in the face and tell me there's no IE bug that will let it remotely execute a BO2K installer....
::About 3, almost 4 years ago, I participated in an event in California(don't know if it was in the rest of the country) called NetDay'96. About ten people volunteered to run network cable throughout the school, in preparation for a future internet connection. 3 years later, the cable is still unused.::
Ah, NetDay. I remember cleaning up after that mess. Now, don't get me wrong, the idea was a good and noble one, but it was executed very poorly, as far as I witnessed at the school I was admining at the time.
First, a primer: NetDay '96 was a charity event that recruited volunteers and solicited donations from many hi-tech companies. The volunteers then did as much work as was possible with the equipment: from pulling wire to setting up a functional lan.
The weak link in this chain was "volunteer." Of all the voluneers that pulled wire at my school, not one had previous networking experience. They were taught the basics and went nuts. They proceeded to pull CAT5 to 100+ rooms and punch it down - backwards. When computers were rolled in, the faculty, expecting the Microsoft Dream of Plug-n-pray, found that nothing happened when they plugged them into the wall.
Now, it's a forgone conclusion that out of close to a thousand students, a handful are knowledgeable about networking. These handful (PTS, JMV, DTS, and AJ - initials used to protect the otherwise pristine record of a school that Really Fucked Up In The Technology Dept.) saw the NetDay catastrophe, knew that going through official channels would take years to get anything going through those pipes, and knew Something Had To Be Done. PTS went unto the administration and brought up the dormant wire. The administration said, "you think you can do better? Fine. Do it yourself."
Those words would haunt them for the next 3 years.
PTS got JMV, DTS, and AJ and the four of them, with a teacher as their "supervisor," went around to all 100+ classrooms and rewired all of them. They went down to the library, got a wall erected in the back to separate an area from the library proper, and built two servers - an NT server to satisfy the Microsoft contract that was left there by the NetDay crew, and a Linux box to do all the real work. Around this time, I wound up in the group as the resident Webmaster and NT reinstaller (I'm sorry, but no "mission-critical" server should require a reinstall every three months, no matter HOW many stupid people are banging on it), and thus began the smoothest running two years of that school's life.
Until PTS, JMV, DTS and AJ graduated, leaving me to deal with an entire school of 95 boxen and a raft of assistants who were learning as we went along, but THAT'S another story... =)
:: tried for almost 4 months to donate stuff. No one wanted any of it. They only wanted cutting edge hardware. I even got hung up on once for trying to say that these machines were still usable for tasks other than surfing the web (thinking to myself, Linux, of course).::
As a (former) high school sysadmin, let me tell you why: we're drowning in the stuff. Yes, they run Linux just dandy (hino-rei.xarph.net is a 486 running Redhat 6.0, acting as a gateway, MP3 server, and misc. hacking server. =) I have yet to hit 100% CPU usage, and uptime is something like 6 months). Yes, they could be useful. Yet odds are you will NOT find a school that will take 486s. Why is this? Three words:
Schools Fear Change.
Every school I've attended and been involved with has been in bed with Microsoft and Apple. They simply will not support Linux inside their walls. The people, students and teachers alike, have Win32/MacOS boxen at home. They know how to use them. Correction: they THINK they know how to use them. Try to change the paradigm, and people will resist it.
Example: One school I worked at had a library with about a dozen assorted 486s and entry-level pentiums running Windows 95. They used security software (oxymoron - the OS should be secure to begin with) and filters - supposedly. For no other reason than the r33t h4x0rs knowing every nuance of 95, a full time, 8am-4pm tech was on hand to clean up the damage. This problem could have been solved easily with the conversion of a pentium to an X server and the rest of the boxen running as X terminals with Netscape and Star Office hooked to a network printer. If the school was REALLY anal, a proxy could be hacked up to act as a content filter.
This proposal was unanimously shot down. The most obvious reason: the school had an deal with Microsoft that got them boatloads of bloatware for only 10x the cost of the linux equivilant, as opposed to 100x. The reason I came up with on my own: none of the teachers/faculty wanted to learn the new system. The traditional fetish with writing down every step of an operation and calling "that computer guy" every time the procedure had to deviate from the norm, was a recipe for disaster.
How does this tangent reply to your charge? Easy. The only thing most schools want is Microsoft Shit. Microsoft Shit being what it is, they only want computers capable of running it. That's the policy. Microsoft owns most American schools, which in turn are teaching the next generation of adults.
You think the U.S. is fucked up NOW? Just you wait... the Point-and-Click Generation is coming.
wonder how long a basic program would last? I'm betting that such an entry (I'm halfway considering entering one) would be instantly disqualified just on general principle =)
::USB in demand? By who? Pretty much the only people I've seen "demanding" USB "products" are the "computer jornalists" who write articles for Ziff-Davis mags. Tell us something. Exactly what is a USB keyboard or modem good for? Other than eating up your money that is....::
Who is USB in demand by? Me. Do I use a USB keyboard? Hell no. Who wants to load a driver before you can type something? But some of the stuff USB does is pretty neato.
I ran out of slots in my computer a long time ago. I ran out of IRQs just recently. My SCSI bus is full. So I got the last bit of internal hardware I think I'll need for a while: a USB controller. Trust me, when you're running a box as tightly packed as mine, the ability to string 127 devices off of ONE interrupt is a godsend. Another thing I use USB for? Game controllers. Ever since that brain-dead "standard" that put midi on the PC gameport, I have NEVER gotten a single gameport joystick or gamepad to keep a stable position. This ended with my USB controller. I have a Gravis Gamepad Pro USB that positively rocks ass, and a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB - an analog joystick that DOESN'T drift and DOESN'T miscalibrate.
(On an unrelated tangent, the Gravis Gamepad Pro combined with a program called RB-Joy (from http://www.rbsoft.de/ - in German, but you should be able to figure it out without babelfish) is a fantastic usenet reading tool. Use the pad and button1/2 as your mouse, button 3/4 PgUp and PgDn, L1 and L2 next/prev message, R1 and R2 next/prev unread message, Start button switches to next thread. Pressing Select instantly plonks the originator of the current message =)
While we're all talking about photorealism...
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Pixar Tron Remake?
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As an aside, check out what Square Honolulu is doing with the Final Fantasy movie. [RPGamer] Specifically, the job openings ad. Yes, that's CGI: [Foo]
No shit. I was once moving around a bunch of XTs, forgot to put the screws back in one, picked up the case, and the actual system slid out and landed on my not-very-shielded converse hi-tops.
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Submitted by Sylvain Gregoire on Thursday,
October 28, 1999 - 6:06 PM
Windows NT Server 4.0 SP5
256MB of RAM
1 x PII 400
...and a 300 meg RLL drive...
Hell, I have a 486DX/33 with an empty 540 meg drive and 16 megs of RAM that I use as a testbed for reverse engineering unknown EXEs people send me and whatnot... I should put NT on it, install IIS and exchange and see what that does to it...
Side note: the main server for my house is a 486DX2/66 with 48 megs of ram and a 4GB drive running Redhat 6. Reboot time is close to 3 minutes. Uptime is usually 60 days or until I blow away either the root account or the boot partition, which is a lot more frequently than 60 days. =)
-Lx?
WTF, why do this now? People have been selling the Universe (and even the occasional Multiverse) on eBay for months...
-Lx?
::It seems like they built something "cool" and went looking for a use.::
Before you start bashing MS about this, don't you think you should consider that a good 50% of Linux was designed in this manner?
How the hell else do you explain the existence of DOSEMU? =)
-Lx?
::The MS mouse that came with my P-166 yonks ago only lasted a few months. The replacement $20 Logitech First Mouse is STILL GOING, like years later.::
Bah. I'm using a $.99 mouse that I bought at Fry's three years ago. It's the longest lasting mouse I ever bought. If/when it goes, I have a stack of space $.99 mice in the closet. Right next to the stack of high quality $2.99 keyboards (the one I'm using of the same model has lasted about as long as the mouse, I might add.)
Does anyone know of a large DIN-5 keyboard connector -> USB convertor? I have the feeling I will need one before too long if I want to upgrade my mobo...
-Lx?
Ah. It was entitled "The KGB, A Computer, and Me." No, I am not making this up. I think I still have an Nth generation copy lying around here someplace...
-Lx?
I saw one of the textbooks for the OS class, and this thing stated that NT5.0 was coming out at the end of the year, and that since it was one of the newest OS's around, it was functionally better than Unix.
PHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!$@#%@$%#$%#$%
Sh'yah RIGHT! This is *MS*, the company that regularly REMOVES useful features from their products while introducing bugs! Some of my old DOS tricks from the mid 80s no longer work under 9x, yet most of my shell scripts from ye olde days still work without a hitch (or at least, with minor modifications).
-Lx?
IE5 has got it right. First off, the "desktop integration" is down to IE3 levels, rather than IE4. But there are three main reasons I'm using it over Netscape right now:
1) It renders large tables almost on the fly.
2) You can customize the toolbar and take out all those buttons you never use (you can have a toolbar consisting of merely back, forward, and stop if you wanted.)
3) Drop down menu for language encoding. I can go to one of the many japanese sites in my bookmarks and it automatically decodes the JIS. I NEVER got this to work in Netscape.
-Lx?
::For the ultimate in window-spawning abuse, go here. [Timex's Internet Time site]::
Does anyone know if the latest version of internet time is mirrored anywhere? I can NOT find it ANYWHERE in that POS, poorly designed, JavaShit obsessed site.
Their webmaster, aside from being fired, should be drug out into the street, shot, then roasted over a spit.
-Lx?
I had to call AT&T's support and get them to read me this ten digit gibberish password over the phone so that I could setup a ppp script in linux. AT&T claims that it is done this way for security sake.
Wait a min... they were able to read your password to you over the phone (for security reasons?) Sheesh, something tells me these people ain't using shadowed passwords...
-Lx?
NO! NO! NO!
You got it ALL wrong!
Janet Reno's the mother of the Internet, Al Gore is the father of the Internet, Linus helped deliver the child, and Virginia adopted the worthless little shit.
.. Unless someone else has any suggestions?
Yah. Get a local ISP. The kind where everyone knows the first name of the guy in charge. The kind of ISP where a call to the service department means you can hear dogs barking in the background and the resident geek's wife watching soap operas in the living room.
And oh yah - usually the service is cheaper and they support Linux. Hell, most locals run ON Linux.
Mine uses FreeBSD, tho. Sue me.
-Lx?
Poor Impulse Control.
-Lx?
They can have my site's one backwards-compatible, transparent, superfluous GIF when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. (Can I borrow $5000?)
-Lx?
(4) Animations. Well, when not abused, I s'ppose it's ok. Thank god browsers don't try to support animated gif tiled backgrounds (yikes!) That's worse than who pages enclosed in BLINK tags.
I have seen quite a few pages that have animated backgrounds in Netscape 4.5 at the very least. It's a shooting offense, PERIOD.
-Lx?
We come to bury DOS, not to praise it.
Wir kommen, DOS zu begraben, um es nicht zu preisen.
We come to bury DOS in order not to praise it.
Wir kommen, DOS zu begraben, um es zu preisen.
We come to bury DOS in order to praise it.
Now I want to combine one with the factoid... collect facts and then serve them with the world's smallest web server...
-Lx?
I can't get to www.windows2000test.com to test this, but given the conversation on the group, the w2k box has a guestbook running that doesn't check for javascript. As the W2K test box doesn't have any remote admin stuff running (or so we're told), at some point, SOMEONE at the w2k test box will look at their guestbook whilst sitting at the console.
So, asking as a person who hates Javash^Hcript with a passion, how easy would it be to write a JScript that installs back orifice whenever the IP of the reader matches the IP of w2ktest.com? You can NOT look me in the face and tell me there's no IE bug that will let it remotely execute a BO2K installer....
-Lx?
OK, when's Andover gonna buy out segfault.org?
::About 3, almost 4 years ago, I participated in an event in California(don't know if it was in the rest of the country) called NetDay'96. About ten people volunteered to run network cable throughout the school, in preparation for a future internet connection. 3 years later, the cable is still unused.::
Ah, NetDay. I remember cleaning up after that mess. Now, don't get me wrong, the idea was a good and noble one, but it was executed very poorly, as far as I witnessed at the school I was admining at the time.
First, a primer: NetDay '96 was a charity event that recruited volunteers and solicited donations from many hi-tech companies. The volunteers then did as much work as was possible with the equipment: from pulling wire to setting up a functional lan.
The weak link in this chain was "volunteer." Of all the voluneers that pulled wire at my school, not one had previous networking experience. They were taught the basics and went nuts. They proceeded to pull CAT5 to 100+ rooms and punch it down - backwards. When computers were rolled in, the faculty, expecting the Microsoft Dream of Plug-n-pray, found that nothing happened when they plugged them into the wall.
Now, it's a forgone conclusion that out of close to a thousand students, a handful are knowledgeable about networking. These handful (PTS, JMV, DTS, and AJ - initials used to protect the otherwise pristine record of a school that Really Fucked Up In The Technology Dept.) saw the NetDay catastrophe, knew that going through official channels would take years to get anything going through those pipes, and knew Something Had To Be Done. PTS went unto the administration and brought up the dormant wire. The administration said, "you think you can do better? Fine. Do it yourself."
Those words would haunt them for the next 3 years.
PTS got JMV, DTS, and AJ and the four of them, with a teacher as their "supervisor," went around to all 100+ classrooms and rewired all of them. They went down to the library, got a wall erected in the back to separate an area from the library proper, and built two servers - an NT server to satisfy the Microsoft contract that was left there by the NetDay crew, and a Linux box to do all the real work. Around this time, I wound up in the group as the resident Webmaster and NT reinstaller (I'm sorry, but no "mission-critical" server should require a reinstall every three months, no matter HOW many stupid people are banging on it), and thus began the smoothest running two years of that school's life.
Until PTS, JMV, DTS and AJ graduated, leaving me to deal with an entire school of 95 boxen and a raft of assistants who were learning as we went along, but THAT'S another story... =)
:: tried for almost 4 months to donate stuff. No one wanted any of it. They only wanted cutting edge hardware. I even got hung up on once for trying to say that these machines were still usable for tasks other than surfing the web (thinking to myself, Linux, of course). ::
As a (former) high school sysadmin, let me tell you why: we're drowning in the stuff. Yes, they run Linux just dandy (hino-rei.xarph.net is a 486 running Redhat 6.0, acting as a gateway, MP3 server, and misc. hacking server. =) I have yet to hit 100% CPU usage, and uptime is something like 6 months). Yes, they could be useful. Yet odds are you will NOT find a school that will take 486s. Why is this? Three words:
Schools Fear Change.
Every school I've attended and been involved with has been in bed with Microsoft and Apple. They simply will not support Linux inside their walls. The people, students and teachers alike, have Win32/MacOS boxen at home. They know how to use them. Correction: they THINK they know how to use them. Try to change the paradigm, and people will resist it.
Example: One school I worked at had a library with about a dozen assorted 486s and entry-level pentiums running Windows 95. They used security software (oxymoron - the OS should be secure to begin with) and filters - supposedly. For no other reason than the r33t h4x0rs knowing every nuance of 95, a full time, 8am-4pm tech was on hand to clean up the damage. This problem could have been solved easily with the conversion of a pentium to an X server and the rest of the boxen running as X terminals with Netscape and Star Office hooked to a network printer. If the school was REALLY anal, a proxy could be hacked up to act as a content filter.
This proposal was unanimously shot down. The most obvious reason: the school had an deal with Microsoft that got them boatloads of bloatware for only 10x the cost of the linux equivilant, as opposed to 100x. The reason I came up with on my own: none of the teachers/faculty wanted to learn the new system. The traditional fetish with writing down every step of an operation and calling "that computer guy" every time the procedure had to deviate from the norm, was a recipe for disaster.
How does this tangent reply to your charge? Easy. The only thing most schools want is Microsoft Shit. Microsoft Shit being what it is, they only want computers capable of running it. That's the policy. Microsoft owns most American schools, which in turn are teaching the next generation of adults.
You think the U.S. is fucked up NOW? Just you wait... the Point-and-Click Generation is coming.
::I think the entire world is aware of the US education problem. ::
You got that right. So called "computer geeks" are graduating high school knowning nothing but Windows.
wonder how long a basic program would last? I'm betting that such an entry (I'm halfway considering entering one) would be instantly disqualified just on general principle =)
-Lx?
::USB in demand? By who? Pretty much the only people I've seen "demanding" USB "products" are the "computer jornalists" who write articles for Ziff-Davis mags. Tell us something. Exactly what is a USB keyboard or modem good for? Other than eating up your money that is....::
Who is USB in demand by? Me. Do I use a USB keyboard? Hell no. Who wants to load a driver before you can type something? But some of the stuff USB does is pretty neato.
I ran out of slots in my computer a long time ago. I ran out of IRQs just recently. My SCSI bus is full. So I got the last bit of internal hardware I think I'll need for a while: a USB controller. Trust me, when you're running a box as tightly packed as mine, the ability to string 127 devices off of ONE interrupt is a godsend. Another thing I use USB for? Game controllers. Ever since that brain-dead "standard" that put midi on the PC gameport, I have NEVER gotten a single gameport joystick or gamepad to keep a stable position. This ended with my USB controller. I have a Gravis Gamepad Pro USB that positively rocks ass, and a Saitek Cyborg 3D USB - an analog joystick that DOESN'T drift and DOESN'T miscalibrate.
(On an unrelated tangent, the Gravis Gamepad Pro combined with a program called RB-Joy (from http://www.rbsoft.de/ - in German, but you should be able to figure it out without babelfish) is a fantastic usenet reading tool. Use the pad and button1/2 as your mouse, button 3/4 PgUp and PgDn, L1 and L2 next/prev message, R1 and R2 next/prev unread message, Start button switches to next thread. Pressing Select instantly plonks the originator of the current message =)
As an aside, check out what Square Honolulu is doing with the Final Fantasy movie.
[RPGamer]
Specifically, the job openings ad. Yes, that's CGI:
[Foo]
No shit. I was once moving around a bunch of XTs, forgot to put the screws back in one, picked up the case, and the actual system slid out and landed on my not-very-shielded converse hi-tops.
Owch...