Good question - yes, they can get around a bad Backbone C. But without network neutrality, the ones that are going to throttle every last dollar they can from their network are the ones controlling the "last mile" to your house - the cable and local telco companies. Google can't get around them without running that fiber to everyone's house - or wirelessly, as they plan to do in the SF area.
Widespread multicast I think would negate the need for Bittorrent - one tiny server could produce one stream of data and let the network duplicate it to the millions of clients. I'm no multicast specialist, but I think a major reason it hasn't been implemented is a billing issue. As an ISP, you generally charge for bandwidth. If you offer multicast, your customer may send you a single 1mbps stream and you may have to duplicate that into dozens, hundreds or thousands of streams. How do you keep track of all those streams to bill for them, or do you guess somehow and charge a flat rate for multicast service?
Frequent lies:
- network neutrality would change how the internet works (no, it preserves it)
- content providers are using network infrastructure for free (bull - if a corp doesn't like its peering arrangements, renegotiate)
- they want everyone to keep their hands off the internet (no - they want to get their hands on the internet without interference from the public)
Don't buy into the lies. The telco and cable companies are making a power grab, leveraging their (mostly government-granted monopoly or duopoly) network dominance into content. The equipment manufacturers want to be able to sell lots of new equipment the companies that want to restrict and degrade services other than their own. No mystery there. Network neutrality gives us something close to a meritocracy on the internet - the best site wins loyalty from the public.
That goes for corporations (e.g. Comcast) just as well as it does a government (e.g. China). So H.o.t.I. as a slogan is more apt for those in the pro Network Neutrality camp than against. We have NN today and we don't want it to change. The level playing field on the Internet is the reason it is so much more successful than AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy and their kind were. The Internet is much closer to a meritocracy than a network run by a handful of large corporations.
To argue that there should be no regulation until there is a problem to fix ignores the past problems (e.g. Madison River) and the stated intentions of telco execs (e.g. Bellsouth).
Any telco spokesman complaining about Google (or any other site) is using their network for free should either stop lying or renegotiate their peering arrangements. Every ISP has an arrangement for each of its peers, either one party paying the other or free peering. Either way it's an arrangement between consenting parties and to suggest a content provider is using their network without their consent is a lie.
Given enough competition, none of this matters, but we don't have it. If trillions of dollars were spent by several companies each running coax, fiber or wireless networks to reach all of us, they would have to compete and couldn't leverage their monopoly (or duopoly) power to obtain dominance in other areas than access. But we don't need to spend those trillions if we just require the access piece be level and let the competition happen in the services that use the access layer.
1. Non-transparency. It's the tech equivalent of bringing ballot boxes from all over to a room only Diebold employees are allowed, in which they open the boxes, "count" the votes, burn them and then come out and give you vote tallies.
2. Easily hackable. Flaws have been found before, but check the latest from the Princeton guys. So we're not only relying on the good faith of the Diebold people, but everyone that comes into contact with the machines. In CA, machines were sent home with poll workers for days before a special election.
3. What problem does it solve? Hanging chads? I don't believe electronic voting is the only way around that.
And for anyone that thinks Reps and Dems are just as guilty at election fraud, here's an idea. Why not support the Dems but put pressure on them to fix the things they've complained about. Ride that backlash against recent fraud and turn it into sensible voting practices and redistricting rules. Eventually we may even get clean money campaigning and instant runoff voting. If you think each side has been taking turns stealing elections and one side's willing to end it even if they miss their turn, take them up on it.
...was one a coworker took in our lab. He'd put "all your base are belong to us" on the little readouts on the line cards of a Cisco GSR (12008), where it normally says "IOS RUN" or startup or error messages. Tres geeky. Wish I had a copy of that.
I met with them a while back and I think outsourcing the sinking and scrubbing of DOS traffic is a great idea. I'd like to hear from anyone using their service though.
Good ones have UPS battery backup that'll keep things up for several minutes, typically. That's enough time for the generators to start up. Fuel supply then must last the full outage or refueling trucks will have to start rolling.
Also, remember that even with those precautions, a failure in any UPS or generator anywhere between the user and the servers can result in an outage. That includes telco equipment in other buildings as well.
There have been several high profile datacenter power outages in big U.S. sites in the last few years. Power systems for datacenters are complex.
If the publishers believe that Google's effort will negatively impact their goals, they should oppose it. If they believe it will negatively affect their revenue streams, but achieve their stated goals more efficiently, they should get the hell out of the way of progress.
I feel for the web site operators. They fear that a nice easy way to finance a web site may disappear. The don't want to have to bother with subscriptions, etc.
But this will all sort itself out in the end without regulations and undue interference. I think the best sites will keep things inobtrusive and most people won't mind the ads. Think Google.
I wonder if the author would consider getting up to make a sandwich during a TV commercial a breach of a social contract.
Btw, you don't need such a nice box for static content. Even an old pentium could fill most of an FE connection. And if you've got a gigabit link you can still fill most of that with a single gigahertz cpu box. Still nice to have for the more dynamic stuff though!
If a game's pop culture importance is graphed on the horizontal axis and the artfulness of its execution is plotted on the vertical axis, then the total area shows how fun the game is.
For instance, a Star Wars MMORPG may score average on the horizontal but poorly on the vertical due to lack of combat. A Family Guy game on the other hand, may score very high on the horizontal as well as high on the vertical due to a collector's edition version that comes with some of the same stuff the show's writers are on while writing, thereby revealing the game to be truly fun.
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I would be. It's far from their core competency and there's so much competition in the telco business that everyone sells at cost anyway. Maybe a datacenter chain like Equinix would be a better acquisition target.
They've got several (lots of?) datacenters that have to sync up lots of data. Anyone with enough data to transfer around can save money just buying the strands of fiber or wavelengths on lit fiber instead of paying a provider to light it. It's not surprising that Google has enough of this work to do that they want to hire someone with experience in it.
...the Cinerama is a good place to do it. My favorite theater in Seattle. I lived on the opposite corner of that block for 3 years, so I was of course a regular.
By the time the last campout there ended, the guys had a van, a tent, a generator, cots, wifi and all the comforts of home.
And regarding D&D, some of the most brilliant people I know used to play (most of us don't anymore). A few neanderthals did too. I think it promotes creativity, but I also think creativity and intelligence are orthogonal.
Over the last week Google has moved their corporate offices, to the old HQ of SGI (who is still hanging on in one building). Their old offices were extraordinarily crowded but had lots of character (buildings 0, pi and e). The new building sounds nice (more space, glass walls everywhere, lots of conference rooms and the usual late-90's tech boom perks and toys). But who knows what a change like that will do to corporate culture.
Also, if some business development types are being arrogant in outside meetings, that's a problem, but doesn't mean the whole company is that way.
I hear that during a Google company meeting a couple weeks ago, the crowd was asked if they'd heard the rumor about Microsoft buying Google. Then they were asked to raise their hands if they believed the rumor. Only one person raised his hand - founder Larry Page. I like his sense of humor.;)
How would you like to read a book by someone who actually did work a couple cubes down from Mr. Adams?
Check out You Got Nothing Coming: Notes From A Prison Fish. The guy went to prison for voluntary manslaughter. No joke, and it's a seriously good read, even if it's not the kind of book you're typically into.
I used to work on the same floor as FarWorks, Inc. in the 2 Union building in Seattle. It took a few months before I realized that they were the Far Side people. They looked pretty normal. But I always had the urge to peek into the back offices, just like Bart Simpson on his visit to Mad Magazine. Ah, the regret...:(
Well, with the pressure telemarketers are getting over landlines, I'm not *too* worried about that yet. They'll get substantially more resistance if they start calling cell phones. But yeah, I acknowledge the danger.
As long as she's not giving them any money (please tell me she isn't!), she's doing them more harm than good by staying on the line.
Then again, there are probably other goals to telemarketing too. Maybe a call from a political campaign may be marked up as mission accomplished if she stayed on long enough to hear the entire message.
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Good question - yes, they can get around a bad Backbone C. But without network neutrality, the ones that are going to throttle every last dollar they can from their network are the ones controlling the "last mile" to your house - the cable and local telco companies. Google can't get around them without running that fiber to everyone's house - or wirelessly, as they plan to do in the SF area.
Widespread multicast I think would negate the need for Bittorrent - one tiny server could produce one stream of data and let the network duplicate it to the millions of clients. I'm no multicast specialist, but I think a major reason it hasn't been implemented is a billing issue. As an ISP, you generally charge for bandwidth. If you offer multicast, your customer may send you a single 1mbps stream and you may have to duplicate that into dozens, hundreds or thousands of streams. How do you keep track of all those streams to bill for them, or do you guess somehow and charge a flat rate for multicast service?
Frequent lies:
- network neutrality would change how the internet works (no, it preserves it)
- content providers are using network infrastructure for free (bull - if a corp doesn't like its peering arrangements, renegotiate)
- they want everyone to keep their hands off the internet (no - they want to get their hands on the internet without interference from the public)
Don't buy into the lies. The telco and cable companies are making a power grab, leveraging their (mostly government-granted monopoly or duopoly) network dominance into content. The equipment manufacturers want to be able to sell lots of new equipment the companies that want to restrict and degrade services other than their own. No mystery there. Network neutrality gives us something close to a meritocracy on the internet - the best site wins loyalty from the public.
That goes for corporations (e.g. Comcast) just as well as it does a government (e.g. China). So H.o.t.I. as a slogan is more apt for those in the pro Network Neutrality camp than against. We have NN today and we don't want it to change. The level playing field on the Internet is the reason it is so much more successful than AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy and their kind were. The Internet is much closer to a meritocracy than a network run by a handful of large corporations.
To argue that there should be no regulation until there is a problem to fix ignores the past problems (e.g. Madison River) and the stated intentions of telco execs (e.g. Bellsouth).
Any telco spokesman complaining about Google (or any other site) is using their network for free should either stop lying or renegotiate their peering arrangements. Every ISP has an arrangement for each of its peers, either one party paying the other or free peering. Either way it's an arrangement between consenting parties and to suggest a content provider is using their network without their consent is a lie.
Given enough competition, none of this matters, but we don't have it. If trillions of dollars were spent by several companies each running coax, fiber or wireless networks to reach all of us, they would have to compete and couldn't leverage their monopoly (or duopoly) power to obtain dominance in other areas than access. But we don't need to spend those trillions if we just require the access piece be level and let the competition happen in the services that use the access layer.
A few problems with Diebold:
1. Non-transparency. It's the tech equivalent of bringing ballot boxes from all over to a room only Diebold employees are allowed, in which they open the boxes, "count" the votes, burn them and then come out and give you vote tallies.
2. Easily hackable. Flaws have been found before, but check the latest from the Princeton guys. So we're not only relying on the good faith of the Diebold people, but everyone that comes into contact with the machines. In CA, machines were sent home with poll workers for days before a special election.
3. What problem does it solve? Hanging chads? I don't believe electronic voting is the only way around that.
And for anyone that thinks Reps and Dems are just as guilty at election fraud, here's an idea. Why not support the Dems but put pressure on them to fix the things they've complained about. Ride that backlash against recent fraud and turn it into sensible voting practices and redistricting rules. Eventually we may even get clean money campaigning and instant runoff voting. If you think each side has been taking turns stealing elections and one side's willing to end it even if they miss their turn, take them up on it.
...was one a coworker took in our lab. He'd put "all your base are belong to us" on the little readouts on the line cards of a Cisco GSR (12008), where it normally says "IOS RUN" or startup or error messages. Tres geeky. Wish I had a copy of that.
I met with them a while back and I think outsourcing the sinking and scrubbing of DOS traffic is a great idea. I'd like to hear from anyone using their service though.
Good ones have UPS battery backup that'll keep things up for several minutes, typically. That's enough time for the generators to start up. Fuel supply then must last the full outage or refueling trucks will have to start rolling.
Also, remember that even with those precautions, a failure in any UPS or generator anywhere between the user and the servers can result in an outage. That includes telco equipment in other buildings as well.
There have been several high profile datacenter power outages in big U.S. sites in the last few years. Power systems for datacenters are complex.
If the publishers believe that Google's effort will negatively impact their goals, they should oppose it. If they believe it will negatively affect their revenue streams, but achieve their stated goals more efficiently, they should get the hell out of the way of progress.
I feel for the web site operators. They fear that a nice easy way to finance a web site may disappear. The don't want to have to bother with subscriptions, etc.
But this will all sort itself out in the end without regulations and undue interference. I think the best sites will keep things inobtrusive and most people won't mind the ads. Think Google.
I wonder if the author would consider getting up to make a sandwich during a TV commercial a breach of a social contract.
Thanks Aaron!!
Btw, you don't need such a nice box for static content. Even an old pentium could fill most of an FE connection. And if you've got a gigabit link you can still fill most of that with a single gigahertz cpu box. Still nice to have for the more dynamic stuff though!
If a game's pop culture importance is graphed on the horizontal axis and the artfulness of its execution is plotted on the vertical axis, then the total area shows how fun the game is.
For instance, a Star Wars MMORPG may score average on the horizontal but poorly on the vertical due to lack of combat. A Family Guy game on the other hand, may score very high on the horizontal as well as high on the vertical due to a collector's edition version that comes with some of the same stuff the show's writers are on while writing, thereby revealing the game to be truly fun.
I would be. It's far from their core competency and there's so much competition in the telco business that everyone sells at cost anyway. Maybe a datacenter chain like Equinix would be a better acquisition target.
They've got several (lots of?) datacenters that have to sync up lots of data. Anyone with enough data to transfer around can save money just buying the strands of fiber or wavelengths on lit fiber instead of paying a provider to light it. It's not surprising that Google has enough of this work to do that they want to hire someone with experience in it.
...the Cinerama is a good place to do it. My favorite theater in Seattle. I lived on the opposite corner of that block for 3 years, so I was of course a regular.
By the time the last campout there ended, the guys had a van, a tent, a generator, cots, wifi and all the comforts of home.
Also, at their previous campus, they numbered their buildings 0, e and pi.
Only a matter of time before soldiers are issued stillsuits. :)
I doubt he knows. The Commander-in-Chief doesn't even read newspapers.
And regarding D&D, some of the most brilliant people I know used to play (most of us don't anymore). A few neanderthals did too. I think it promotes creativity, but I also think creativity and intelligence are orthogonal.
over 55 operating systems running on a 17inch Powerbook
Wow...that's over 3 operating systems per inch!!!
Over the last week Google has moved their corporate offices, to the old HQ of SGI (who is still hanging on in one building). Their old offices were extraordinarily crowded but had lots of character (buildings 0, pi and e). The new building sounds nice (more space, glass walls everywhere, lots of conference rooms and the usual late-90's tech boom perks and toys). But who knows what a change like that will do to corporate culture.
Also, if some business development types are being arrogant in outside meetings, that's a problem, but doesn't mean the whole company is that way.
I hear that during a Google company meeting a couple weeks ago, the crowd was asked if they'd heard the rumor about Microsoft buying Google. Then they were asked to raise their hands if they believed the rumor. Only one person raised his hand - founder Larry Page. I like his sense of humor. ;)
How would you like to read a book by someone who actually did work a couple cubes down from Mr. Adams?
Check out You Got Nothing Coming: Notes From A Prison Fish. The guy went to prison for voluntary manslaughter. No joke, and it's a seriously good read, even if it's not the kind of book you're typically into.
I used to work on the same floor as FarWorks, Inc. in the 2 Union building in Seattle. It took a few months before I realized that they were the Far Side people. They looked pretty normal. But I always had the urge to peek into the back offices, just like Bart Simpson on his visit to Mad Magazine. Ah, the regret...:(
Well, with the pressure telemarketers are getting over landlines, I'm not *too* worried about that yet. They'll get substantially more resistance if they start calling cell phones. But yeah, I acknowledge the danger.
As long as she's not giving them any money (please tell me she isn't!), she's doing them more harm than good by staying on the line.
Then again, there are probably other goals to telemarketing too. Maybe a call from a political campaign may be marked up as mission accomplished if she stayed on long enough to hear the entire message.
So, is that why she's an ex-girlfriend? >;)