the problem is saturation and lack of innovation - whether you like it or not, this market has reached saturation, and will quicly mature.
MS will be unable to grow revenue in this market, hell they're going to have a hard time maintaining revenue. Which is why MS is pushing the subscription model (.NET)
If they manage to succeed with the subscription model, they will quickly become a utility like company.
traditionally, they need to do massive R&D... but why? who is about to go out and buy ANOTHER new computer when this one is just fine, thank you very much. MS is in serious amounts of shit if the subscription model fails.
the worst thing that could happen to MS is a commoditization of the OS (read: linux) whereby anyone has access to any and all parts of the environment and can piece them together at will, without paying MS exorbinant royalties.
i dont invest in MS because their PE is too damn high relative to their future earnings growth potential.
a dividend may actually make me consider investing in them.
they are not a growth stock anymore, at best they are a "utility" stock that should produce 10-15% returns every year. If done right, they should be the new Coca-Cola - profits and dividends every year from now until eternity.
uhh... dividends are not stupid, at least to those of us who would like to actually have a reliable income stream from our assets.
egad... why would you invest in a compnay that has no growth prospects, like MS with such a high PE ratio anyway? you would only invest in this company if they provided a yearly dividend (aka income stream to YOU).
thats how the stock market has ALWAYS worked, and will continue to work, in the post-internet-boom.
i suggest you dont invest if you dont understand why dividends are a good idea.
i got the CS degree - and crossed the line from database appliacation development to embedded systems engineering:-) (i was really, really, really bored working on DB's... not bored now...)
(not VERY embedded... kindof embedded... alright... thin clients... using linux... 300t 300t)
there are CS people that could make legitimate Engineers. However, there is a general weakening of the strength of your average IT worker - most suck, due to the "make 70,000 with MSCE!" schools.
i dont know what the answer is, i think that we are seeing a much needed shake-out in this industry. There has been a lot of damage done to the/Profession/ that we're in by non-professional people.
but, i still say - the average IT Programmers - should unionize. otherwise they will be used and abused until they're burnt out.
you're in the top 1%, congradulations, you pay 50% of the taxes, and still make 80% of the money.
looks to me like you arent paying your fair share, and need to be taxed more.
about "welfare" program - do you honestly think that every single person on welfare or some such "governemt assistance" program is a crack whore? The vast majority of people use these programs to live the american dream - work hard and you'll make it. They just needed a hand up.
i'm from a family who used those programs to do just that - get ahead. christ, they came from a dead coal town in PA and now have "made it". But they wouldnt have, if not for a couple hand outs from Uncle Sam.
i feel sorry for you. i hope that you never find yourself in the situation where you have fallen on bad luck and need some help. I also hope that the assistance is there if you need it.
as for those "crack whore's" and those who you consider beneath your level - would you rather give up that extra two percent in your paycheck, or see crime go up in your neighborhood? Seriously, think of it as an insurance policy against civil unrest. Think about it - you're paying to be left the fsck alone in your nice suburban house.
oh - and i'm a 2nd amendment liberal who understands the true intentions of the right to bear arms. Armed populace are citizens, Unarmed are subjects. not a damn thing to do with hunting (and if you're a hunter, we need to get rid of some more of these damn deer in PA - overpopulation, please assist.)
as for your crack about my "obvious" low salary... look - i'm far from in the bottom tax bracket, buddy. (and i still have to figure out wtf happens to my taxes when i get married in 5 weeks... bleh)
as for the canyoneror - you'll need that high salary when gas prices cross the $2/gallon line.
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unless you're at a school that cares about how much you print off their printers.
... allowed you to print 40 sheets/semester on their dime.
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what really galled me was that they still had the nerve to charge you a computer fee, and then limit everything you did.
i just went through that too... it was kindof like bootcamp for a couple months to change my "science" into "engineering" in quick order.
tough to catch up, but... once your on this side of the line, you understand the differences.
the problem is saturation and lack of innovation - whether you like it or not, this market has reached saturation, and will quicly mature.
MS will be unable to grow revenue in this market, hell they're going to have a hard time maintaining revenue. Which is why MS is pushing the subscription model (.NET)
If they manage to succeed with the subscription model, they will quickly become a utility like company.
traditionally, they need to do massive R&D... but why? who is about to go out and buy ANOTHER new computer when this one is just fine, thank you very much. MS is in serious amounts of shit if the subscription model fails.
the worst thing that could happen to MS is a commoditization of the OS (read: linux) whereby anyone has access to any and all parts of the environment and can piece them together at will, without paying MS exorbinant royalties.
i dont invest in MS because their PE is too damn high relative to their future earnings growth potential.
a dividend may actually make me consider investing in them.
they are not a growth stock anymore, at best they are a "utility" stock that should produce 10-15% returns every year. If done right, they should be the new Coca-Cola - profits and dividends every year from now until eternity.
uhh... dividends are not stupid, at least to those of us who would like to actually have a reliable income stream from our assets.
egad... why would you invest in a compnay that has no growth prospects, like MS with such a high PE ratio anyway? you would only invest in this company if they provided a yearly dividend (aka income stream to YOU).
thats how the stock market has ALWAYS worked, and will continue to work, in the post-internet-boom.
i suggest you dont invest if you dont understand why dividends are a good idea.
they had massive IT staffs, no MSCE's... ok.. how many 4-year CS degrees did they have?
wait - the baby boomers are going to retire, and remove a hige glut of labor from the market.
and then, employers will have an incentive to groom employees and treat them well.
you ever work in a DB applications shop?
a good one can get a no-experience kid up and running at full speed in 6 months.
i'd call that interchangeable.
what the hell do you think COBOL was for?
secretaries, that have a brain, that were able to type already. and look, its almost english... sigh...
no, its the ultimate game theory.
i got the CS degree - and crossed the line from database appliacation development to embedded systems engineering :-) (i was really, really, really bored working on DB's... not bored now...)
... thin clients... using linux... 300t 300t)
/Profession/ that we're in by non-professional people.
(not VERY embedded... kindof embedded... alright
there are CS people that could make legitimate Engineers. However, there is a general weakening of the strength of your average IT worker - most suck, due to the "make 70,000 with MSCE!" schools.
i dont know what the answer is, i think that we are seeing a much needed shake-out in this industry. There has been a lot of damage done to the
but, i still say - the average IT Programmers - should unionize. otherwise they will be used and abused until they're burnt out.
no, you should unionize.
or become sufficiently skilled and cross the "programmer" and "engineering" line.
surrreee they dont.
so.. does your business have a yearly contract with MS? Sun? IBM?
right. thought so.
you're an idiot.
you're in the top 1%, congradulations, you pay 50% of the taxes, and still make 80% of the money.
looks to me like you arent paying your fair share, and need to be taxed more.
about "welfare" program - do you honestly think that every single person on welfare or some such "governemt assistance" program is a crack whore? The vast majority of people use these programs to live the american dream - work hard and you'll make it. They just needed a hand up.
i'm from a family who used those programs to do just that - get ahead. christ, they came from a dead coal town in PA and now have "made it". But they wouldnt have, if not for a couple hand outs from Uncle Sam.
i feel sorry for you. i hope that you never find yourself in the situation where you have fallen on bad luck and need some help. I also hope that the assistance is there if you need it.
as for those "crack whore's" and those who you consider beneath your level - would you rather give up that extra two percent in your paycheck, or see crime go up in your neighborhood? Seriously, think of it as an insurance policy against civil unrest. Think about it - you're paying to be left the fsck alone in your nice suburban house.
oh - and i'm a 2nd amendment liberal who understands the true intentions of the right to bear arms. Armed populace are citizens, Unarmed are subjects. not a damn thing to do with hunting (and if you're a hunter, we need to get rid of some more of these damn deer in PA - overpopulation, please assist.)
as for your crack about my "obvious" low salary... look - i'm far from in the bottom tax bracket, buddy. (and i still have to figure out wtf happens to my taxes when i get married in 5 weeks... bleh)
as for the canyoneror - you'll need that high salary when gas prices cross the $2/gallon line.
cheers.
you bought into that line of shit, eh?
wait until next quarter - the growth in the GDP is due entirely to one-shot government spending increases... aka Military Buildup.
These expenditures dont improve infrastructure or provide for permanent economic growth.
and with Massive Deficit spending, comes massive amounts of inflation.
Hope you enjoyed your $300 "advance", you'll be paying through the nose for a long time to come.
If you want to live like a republican, you need to vote democratic.
ummm...
/annual/ not monthly... geez...
the 20% interest rate is
which, using the rule of 72, would mean that you would double the cost every (72/20) about 3.5 years.
you need to learn more about finances, i think.
keep a budget for a month. keep track of every single purchase that you make. Quicken or Money are great at this.
and then (afer you realize that spending 1000 a month in restaurant expenses is insane) multiply by 6, and thats how much money you should have.
duh
i thought they all trained at the top-notch academy that trained the A-Team...
lets just say that i learned the lesson the hard way when i was younger :-)
but, i will never, ever let myself get in that situation again...
amen.
i drive a '93 buick century. why? cuz the damn thing is paid off.
i have 0 credit card debt. why? because i dont like to pay 20% on revolving credit.
low, low college loans. like 5k worth, and yes, i do have a BS in CS.
at age 24, i had a positive net worth. its amazing how easy things get once you cross that line.
no, jackass - "right to work" gives employees extra rights, and reduces their ability to unionize effectively.
You are looking for "At Will Employment" - currently you need to check which state you're in to determine which set of laws you are working under.
love your pr0n site, btw...
most of them are at least.
on average, for "equivalent" levels of expertise and experience, i would say that they make about half of what Engineers do.
but then you would risk damaging valuable bytes !!!
you beast, how dare you treat a trophy of programming prowess with such utter disrespect.
you young man, should be ashamed of yourself.
*huff* *pufff* *fffff*
you bought the xbox at an obscene price and now hope it isnt obsolete... right?
sigh...
lesson kids - wait until you figure out who "won" the latest round in the console wars, and THEN go buy that one.
dont try to guess. you'll always be wrong.
ahem...
Depends on application availability.