So, um, what if you like to get under the hood and accidentally delete a file? Why is it so horrible to give users a choice to have a trash can if they want it? I realize that at only 23 I don't have the wisdom of your 20 years of computing, but I've been on linux since a friend turned me onto it at 15 and I know there are times I would have liked to be able to undelete. And why does it matter to me if you're uncomfortable with my having a utility you don't like? And why do you perceive this as Windows-like? If you want to do everything from a command line and be uber-l337, be my guest, but don't tell me what I should and shouldn't do on my computer. Communist.
This is an easy one. Software costs so much because people are willing to pay for it. It's basic economics. Would MS Office cost $500 per license if nobody was paying it? Of course not. Office is MS's number one product, because people want it and are willing to pay for it.
Sure, Travolta was a bad-ass in Pulp Fiction, and a pretty good psycho in Broken Arrow and Swordfish, but he played a big pussy in Look Who's Talking, and a greased up dancer for most of the seventies. Real scary, that ballet.
Linux is about choice. If you don't want it, don't use it. If you want it, it's available. If it's not available, as is the case here, somebody can make it -- maybe even you! Mozilla comes with a browser, mail app, irc, and who the hell knows what else. I only install the browser. If other people want the IRC client, they install it. If you want to use pine for your mail, go for it. But this is exactly what some people want, and if it means they'll use linux if they can get it, then code away.
I'm all for any kind of charitable act, but there is a point here. We really *should* be taking care of our own first. I don't want to criticize anyone who's spending their own time and money to help someone less fortunate, but take a look around your home. It's the same way I feel about governments sending millions in "aid" money to foreign country when there are people literally starving in our streets. I'm sure there are schools in the U.S. who could use this donation just as much as people in another country. But kudos for doing it in the first place.
Well, I guess you're right. Nobodyshouldbeallowed to make money off of other people's work. The issue here is that linux companies are allowed to tinker with the product and sell it. The GPL allows this. The question is, is CleanFlicks allowed to do this? If each person is getting a legally purchased copy of the movie, then sure they are. I could buy a movie and pay someone to edit it for me.
It's child porn! It's not like there's a state in the US that says it's legal.
Trafficking in circumvention devices is illegal too. Does this mean I can no longer buy my Sharpies from officedepot.com? Opening the door to one type of censorship is just asking for trouble, no matter what it is that you're censoring.
Illegal in the U.S., but perhaps not illegal where the sites are hosted. This reminds me far too much of 'the great firewall of china': simply block content we deem unfit for our citizens.
Yeah, OpenOffice is looking strong. I plugged the idea to our accountant at work the other day. He downloaded it, installed it, then wondered aloud why he'd paid ridiculous ammounts of money for his MS Office licenses. Next I'll try to sell him on linux.
If you're into Tool, check out A Perfect Circle, which is a side project Maynard did with one of the guitar techs from Tool. They opened for Nine Inch Nails on the Fragility tour. They're almost as good live as Tool.
...but never will. I'm no Microsoft fan, but there are a few things they've done right (!) - Office and DirectX come to mind. I like Office. Sure, it's bloated, but it works pretty damn well for most people. I like DirectX because I like games, and they all seem to be coded around it. So while I may never use a Microsoft OS, I'd love to see some real software choice. I'd love to be able to run a native install of Office on Mandrake. I'd love to be able to play linux versions of more games. If MS would realize that they can sell software without selling you the whole OS I'm sure they could sell some apps for other OS's and still sell Windows. That's all I want.
Unfortunately, the editors here do like to editorialize. The responsible thing for them to do would be to simply post the story, then add commentary in the comments so that everybody reading doesn't get the editors skewed views confused with actual fact. But since that will never happen, we should probably either get used to it or move along. And now that I'm done with my rant (properly located in the comment section) I'll take my bitchslap, backed by infinite mod points, and be on my merry way. Thanks Mikey, for the wonderful meta-chat which will burn all of our karma!
Um, how is incompatability going to make things better? While we're at it, let's make RedHat and Debian apps incompatible. One of the great things about linux is that from distro to distro, box to box, things are compatible. I don't run many KDE apps under Gnome now, but I'd be pretty annoyed if they broke the compatability that's there now.
It would be a much more interesting read if someone setup a linux (or any other OS) box with a wifi card in it and a wired nic that feeds a hub/switch and NAT'd a bridge.
Go for it. Or wait for someone else to do it. In the mean time, I'll be thankful for the review because it's putting ideas, just like yours, into peoples heads as to what they can do with this new toy.
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to tell us that there's more innovation and variety from the last thirty year span of music than there is in the last two years (or so). Um...duh. I fully expect there to be a big difference between Pink Floyd and Shania Twain - look at when the music is coming from. If you want to talk about innovation in music, pick from a few genres other than "pop". Of course we can't tell the difference between the various Britneys, but you should be able to tell them apart from Moby. Or Aphex Twin. Or The Vines. And so on. And the same argument you make about all rock bands sound the same, all pop bands sound the same can be made for ANY era of music. Within the same genre, you will always have bands that sound alike. How many 70's / 80's rock bands sounded just like Kiss/Van Halen/AC/DC/Metallica? Lots. How many disco bands sounded the same? All of them. If you don't like current mainstream music, turn off MTV and hit a local club that caters to small indie bands. You'd be surprised.
Do you ever write poetry, or just random thoughts? Ever keep a journal? Does anyone besides you find it interesting? Does it really matter that 99.9% of the world doesn't care what I write on my blog? Have you ever noticed that 99.9% of the internet is boring anyways? Have I asked enough rhetorical questions?
I keep a blog. I probably get about 3 hits a week, but I don't care. It's there for me, like a journal, to record random thoughts. If someone stumbles onto it, reads it, and likes it, well then good for them. If not, I don't much care. I don't keep a journal for anyone's benefit but my own, and I'm sure most people who "blog" feel the same.
I did the same with Q3, but couldn't they do something like make you give your win version's cd key when you download the linux client to keep track? Or just put both clients on the cd, but that wouldn't help track the linux purchases. It would be nice if they could get some actual numbers on how many people got the linux version, if it would help other developers realize that it's a viable decision to release for "other" systems.
At the end of the day, Bruce deserves all of our respect. I think, as a publicly visible figure representing free software, he's the best that free software has. Intelligent and well-spoken, unlike many of the "zealots". It's a lot easier to convince people of something when you don't seem crazy. I'm just wondering if this long-standing warning (or however it was worded in the article) has anything to do with his plan to break the DMCA at a conference a little while back...
Goddammit man, that's genius! If I lived in the U.S. and had money to waste on lawyers, I'd do it. Could that actually work? Any lawyers around care to comment?
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So, um, what if you like to get under the hood and accidentally delete a file? Why is it so horrible to give users a choice to have a trash can if they want it? I realize that at only 23 I don't have the wisdom of your 20 years of computing, but I've been on linux since a friend turned me onto it at 15 and I know there are times I would have liked to be able to undelete. And why does it matter to me if you're uncomfortable with my having a utility you don't like? And why do you perceive this as Windows-like? If you want to do everything from a command line and be uber-l337, be my guest, but don't tell me what I should and shouldn't do on my computer. Communist.
No, but linux has this.
This is an easy one. Software costs so much because people are willing to pay for it. It's basic economics. Would MS Office cost $500 per license if nobody was paying it? Of course not. Office is MS's number one product, because people want it and are willing to pay for it.
Sure, Travolta was a bad-ass in Pulp Fiction, and a pretty good psycho in Broken Arrow and Swordfish, but he played a big pussy in Look Who's Talking, and a greased up dancer for most of the seventies. Real scary, that ballet.
Nonsense! They've already invented words like 'kmail', 'killustrator', and now 'kroupware'. They've just begun!
Linux is about choice. If you don't want it, don't use it. If you want it, it's available. If it's not available, as is the case here, somebody can make it -- maybe even you! Mozilla comes with a browser, mail app, irc, and who the hell knows what else. I only install the browser. If other people want the IRC client, they install it. If you want to use pine for your mail, go for it. But this is exactly what some people want, and if it means they'll use linux if they can get it, then code away.
I'm all for any kind of charitable act, but there is a point here. We really *should* be taking care of our own first. I don't want to criticize anyone who's spending their own time and money to help someone less fortunate, but take a look around your home. It's the same way I feel about governments sending millions in "aid" money to foreign country when there are people literally starving in our streets. I'm sure there are schools in the U.S. who could use this donation just as much as people in another country. But kudos for doing it in the first place.
Well, I guess you're right. Nobody should be allowed to make money off of other people's work. The issue here is that linux companies are allowed to tinker with the product and sell it. The GPL allows this. The question is, is CleanFlicks allowed to do this? If each person is getting a legally purchased copy of the movie, then sure they are. I could buy a movie and pay someone to edit it for me.
It's child porn! It's not like there's a state in the US that says it's legal.
Trafficking in circumvention devices is illegal too. Does this mean I can no longer buy my Sharpies from officedepot.com? Opening the door to one type of censorship is just asking for trouble, no matter what it is that you're censoring.
Illegal in the U.S., but perhaps not illegal where the sites are hosted. This reminds me far too much of 'the great firewall of china': simply block content we deem unfit for our citizens.
Yeah, OpenOffice is looking strong. I plugged the idea to our accountant at work the other day. He downloaded it, installed it, then wondered aloud why he'd paid ridiculous ammounts of money for his MS Office licenses. Next I'll try to sell him on linux.
If you're into Tool, check out A Perfect Circle, which is a side project Maynard did with one of the guitar techs from Tool. They opened for Nine Inch Nails on the Fragility tour. They're almost as good live as Tool.
...but never will. I'm no Microsoft fan, but there are a few things they've done right (!) - Office and DirectX come to mind. I like Office. Sure, it's bloated, but it works pretty damn well for most people. I like DirectX because I like games, and they all seem to be coded around it. So while I may never use a Microsoft OS, I'd love to see some real software choice. I'd love to be able to run a native install of Office on Mandrake. I'd love to be able to play linux versions of more games. If MS would realize that they can sell software without selling you the whole OS I'm sure they could sell some apps for other OS's and still sell Windows. That's all I want.
Unfortunately, the editors here do like to editorialize. The responsible thing for them to do would be to simply post the story, then add commentary in the comments so that everybody reading doesn't get the editors skewed views confused with actual fact. But since that will never happen, we should probably either get used to it or move along. And now that I'm done with my rant (properly located in the comment section) I'll take my bitchslap, backed by infinite mod points, and be on my merry way. Thanks Mikey, for the wonderful meta-chat which will burn all of our karma!
Um, how is incompatability going to make things better? While we're at it, let's make RedHat and Debian apps incompatible. One of the great things about linux is that from distro to distro, box to box, things are compatible. I don't run many KDE apps under Gnome now, but I'd be pretty annoyed if they broke the compatability that's there now.
It would be a much more interesting read if someone setup a linux (or any other OS) box with a wifi card in it and a wired nic that feeds a hub/switch and NAT'd a bridge.
Go for it. Or wait for someone else to do it. In the mean time, I'll be thankful for the review because it's putting ideas, just like yours, into peoples heads as to what they can do with this new toy.
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to tell us that there's more innovation and variety from the last thirty year span of music than there is in the last two years (or so). Um...duh. I fully expect there to be a big difference between Pink Floyd and Shania Twain - look at when the music is coming from. If you want to talk about innovation in music, pick from a few genres other than "pop". Of course we can't tell the difference between the various Britneys, but you should be able to tell them apart from Moby. Or Aphex Twin. Or The Vines. And so on. And the same argument you make about all rock bands sound the same, all pop bands sound the same can be made for ANY era of music. Within the same genre, you will always have bands that sound alike. How many 70's / 80's rock bands sounded just like Kiss/Van Halen/AC/DC/Metallica? Lots. How many disco bands sounded the same? All of them. If you don't like current mainstream music, turn off MTV and hit a local club that caters to small indie bands. You'd be surprised.
Do you ever write poetry, or just random thoughts? Ever keep a journal? Does anyone besides you find it interesting? Does it really matter that 99.9% of the world doesn't care what I write on my blog? Have you ever noticed that 99.9% of the internet is boring anyways? Have I asked enough rhetorical questions?
I keep a blog. I probably get about 3 hits a week, but I don't care. It's there for me, like a journal, to record random thoughts. If someone stumbles onto it, reads it, and likes it, well then good for them. If not, I don't much care. I don't keep a journal for anyone's benefit but my own, and I'm sure most people who "blog" feel the same.
My bad. That's what I get for living in Canada - I can't keep my idiot U.S. vps straight.
Maybe so, but Dan Quayle invented the internet. Just ask him.
Yeah. According to Statistics Canada, 85% of homes with cable tv also have cable internet connections. That's a pretty big chunk of people.
we have something like 15 millian cows in the US alone, and we haven't even begun to milk that source yet
Too...damn...easy...
I did the same with Q3, but couldn't they do something like make you give your win version's cd key when you download the linux client to keep track? Or just put both clients on the cd, but that wouldn't help track the linux purchases. It would be nice if they could get some actual numbers on how many people got the linux version, if it would help other developers realize that it's a viable decision to release for "other" systems.
At the end of the day, Bruce deserves all of our respect. I think, as a publicly visible figure representing free software, he's the best that free software has. Intelligent and well-spoken, unlike many of the "zealots". It's a lot easier to convince people of something when you don't seem crazy. I'm just wondering if this long-standing warning (or however it was worded in the article) has anything to do with his plan to break the DMCA at a conference a little while back...
Goddammit man, that's genius! If I lived in the U.S. and had money to waste on lawyers, I'd do it. Could that actually work? Any lawyers around care to comment?