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Wayback Machine Purged of Scientology Criticism
muldrake writes "The Wayback Machine, an archive of websites as they appeared in their past incarnations, is reported by CNET in this story as having censored the Scientology-critical Xenu.net, in a repeat of the heavy-handed tactics used against Google as reported in this previous Slashdot thread."
Why can't we all just get a few sharks with some freaking lasers on their heads?
Lifelong Scientology foe, Nicholas Cage, was married to Scientology fan Priscilla Presley last month. Which one changed religions?
I am already tragically covered in Thetans. :-)
(/local/home/curiosity)-#who -u|grep thecat|cut -c 44-49|xargs kill -9
It's very typical of the Church's actions; it's very typical of reactions to the Church's actions; and the next obvious step is public pressure from those who have an opinion, resulting in a very typical denoument: reversal of the removal. Ah, this was probably a very typical comment, adding nothing of interest. Go ahead and mod it down.
What is it about these scientologists that they can get away with this? The same bill of rights that allows their crazy cult to exist is the same one that allows me to make fun of them. If I had the money I would make the mother of all anti-scientologist websites. If you are a scientologist and are reading this, I invite you to my house.
It's one thign to believe in an all powerful deity that created the universe.
It's another thing to believe in a book that some guy wrote, because some other guy bet that he couldn't create a religeon.
Doesn't anyone have balls anymore?
The GeekNights podcast is going strong. Listen!
2. Sell archived child porn to John Katz
It has become fashionable to go around making threats to kill millions of human beings and being proud of it, while hiding the agenda behind such threats. I just feel I am living in a nightmare that never gets any better. I feel dark things closing in from all side, and my lungs being squeezed till every last drop of air leaks out. What have we made our world into? How did we get here?
So here we have the nation of Scientology. We sometimes like to refer to it as an evil cult. Othertimes we like to refer to it as a corporation. But, arnt were being hypocrates? What is true evil? Is Scientology as evil as the three great evil of our time, that have been well defined and written down by our elders?
This is sad.. I feel contrained.. I feel chained.. I feel a need to exit. I know others feel the same, why are you silent?
http://www.clambake.org/
Operation Clam Bake. Wanna know an interestin fact? Scientologists believe we evolved from clams. Hence the name of the site "Clam Bake".
This guy has balls taking on this cult. I'm surprised they have put a hit on him. I mean Travolta was a bad mofo in Pulp Fiction.
Really, what are they afraid of? That people will stop giving them money? That people will think for themselves? Dangerous things indeed.
Fact: Most people on the net have probably never heard of the Wayback Machine.
Fact: Most people on the net have probably never heard of Xenu.net, either.
Fact: People on the net have, however, heard of major news outlets.
Fact: Censorship is always a great topic for the major news outlets to cover, because it helps portray the image that they would never do such a thing with their coverage.
Conclusion: What was the Church of Scientology thinking? This move will only increase the number of people hitting xenu.net.
it's an old public relations adage: "there is no such thing as bad publicity." learn your simple lessons in life scientologists!
;-P
i know about xenu.net ONLY because of scientology's fervent attacks on it. if you elevate something up to such consternation, you only ignite everyone else's curiosity about what concerns you so much about something. how does scientology defeat xenu.net? by IGNORING it. letting it fade into obscurity. the more they attack xenu.net, the more we all know about it, "we all" being those who could care less about scientology one way or the other. and therefore, we now all know about scientology's seedy underside. and therefore, us neutrals now DO care about scientology... that is, we don't care much for it! lol
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
In anti-Scientology circles this is known as 'Operation Footbullet' for obvious reasons.
Um.. ok. .U sure you don't want a mint son?
Big oil getting on your bowls? Fear not!! We have Pepto-bis-crudole.. The answer to big oil problems and high gas prices, just swallow a gallon of this stuff and pour half of it in your car and all your worries would fly off to iraq.
Well, he was also an idiot in Mad City. And who-knows-what in Battlefield Earth, based on the works of R.L. Hubbard, scientology's father.
Wow.. Slashdot has looked the same for ever . I guess us nerds like to be mired in traditio... er... consistant. I mean, without the dates, old news, and missing images, I don't know if I could tell the difference.
Anyone know where online I could get the Scientology Scriptures?
He promised not to make any more movies if they removed the complaints....
All together not a bad deal!!!
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
LawMeme not only has a detailed report with lots of links, they have suggestions on what archivel.org should do. See, Sherman, Set the Wayback Machine for Scientology .
Darn slashcode killed my link.
oh, wait. he already has.
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Anyone know WHERE a good site for anti-scientology? I think I'll open a site!
Hmm.. so if I publish a page (or even this very Slashdot article) about the Wayback machine not archiving Xenu, would that page (or this article) get put into the Wayback machine? Seems like the press (esp. from CNN) might get archived and defeat the original purpose of suppressing Xenu.
If you want your site removed from the archive, their FAQ refers you to their removing documents page... which comes back with a "page not found" error.
"Inflammable means flammable? What a strange country!" -Dr. Nick, The Simpsons
Yale's LawMeme actually has concrete suggestions for archive.org Sherman, set the Wayback Machine for Scientology
Man! I felt exactly like that after having had 10 bean burritos.. Man.. the realease was good.. satisfying.. good lord.. u should try it.
While we understand that the organization behind the Wayback Machine does not want to unwittingly contribute to copyright infringement, we are distressed by the way in which the removal of our site was conducted, and the lack of feedback that we received from archive.org when we questioned this decision earlier this year.
When a Wayback Machine user attempts to access the archived version of SlatkinFraud.com, they are instead provided with a misleading message claiming that the 'site owners' requested that it not be included in the archive. This is wholly untrue, and entirely in contradiction to the actual views of the website owners in question, who would very much like to see our site become part of the Internet Archive. The material contained within SlatkinFraud.com is wholly owned and maintained by its site owners.
Unfortunately, as has become clear in recent days, SlatkinFraud.com is not the only site that has been summarily removed from the Archive based on complaints from the Church of Scientology. In the explanation recently provided by archive.org, the writer notes that the Church "asserted ownership" of an unknown quantity of material that was, at the time, available through the Wayback Machine archives. The maintainers of archive.org, however, have apparently made no effort whatsoever to inform site owners of these complaints lodged against their material, and in fact, until now, had not even replied to direct questions regarding the removal of certain sites when asked by the site owners in question.
This is clearly not an acceptable system for determining what sites or material should be archived by the Wayback Machine, since it does not adhere to one of the main provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act: the counter-notification process.
Under the DMCA, the owner of a site that has been alleged to contain infringing material has the right to challenge that claim via a counternotification letter to the hosting ISP if he or she believes that the material in question does not infringe on the copyright in question. After receiving this counter-notification from the user, the ISP is obliged to replace any files that were temporarily removed pending the complaint, at which point the original complainant must either initiate formal legal action against the owner of the site, or drop the matter entirely.
This system provides an important check to the sometimes perilous balance between the rights of copyright owners, and those of users. By formalizing the process, and allowing a response from the individual responsible for the alleged infringement, it frees the hosting company from the annoyance of dealing with frivolous claims.
A similar situation that arose resulted from similar complaints made by Church of Scientology lawyers about certain listings on the popular search engine Google. These complaints initially resulted in the wholesale removal of several Scientology-related sites from the Google database. Once this omission was discovered, the decision taken by Google to remove the sites without notice led to an outcry from its users. In fact, on closer examination of the complaints from Scientology, it became immediately obvious that the Church's lawyers were acting in bad faith by deliberately mixing trademark and copyright complaints, even though trademark complaints are not covered under the DMCA at all.
The ensuing barrage of criticism and media coverage both national and international forced Google to reconsider its decision. After several days, the company replaced the links in question, and agreed to make public any further DMCA complaints in cooperation with Chilling Effects, a non-profit website dedicated to preventing abuse of existing copyright law. This solution was welcomed by Google users, who had felt betrayed not only by the removal itself, but by the lack of disclosure on the part of Google regarding the initial complaints.
The explanation offered by the Internet Archive does not mention whether the original complaints received from the Church of Scientology were made under the provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Such information would be helpful to site owners such as ourselves, as it would assist us in determining whether a complaint is justified, and remove any infringing material on our own volition.
Assuming that it was, in fact, a DMCA request, it would serve archive.org well to follow the same procedure as that eventually and successfully - - adopted by Google, and make every effort to inform site owners of such complaints in a timely manner. This could be done through a simple email alert system that would inform the site owner that a complaint had been made, or through a similar policy to that of Google, and publicizing the letters, either on the archive.org website itself or through an interested third party such as Chilling Effects.
This would allow the site owners to decide whether or not to issue a counter-notification, and relieve the Internet Archive of any concerns over contributory liability that may have played a role in its decision to remove the material without warning. It would also discourage copyright owners from making frivolous complaints about material that is obviously protected by fair use, since the process requires that formal legal action be taken within thirty days of receiving the counter notification letter.
Should archive.org decide not to re-list a site within the Wayback Machine at this point, which is, of course, its right, it should also refrain from suggesting that this was at the request of the site owner, and instead, explain its own concerns over potential infringement.
Finally, given the enormity of the Internet Archive project, and the benefits that it has provided, and, we hope, will continue to provide to the online community, it is essential for the Library maintainers to be open and transparent about the methodology used in selecting sites to be archived. Removing sites from the archive in a clandestine fashion, as dictated by the current policy, will only lead to increased concern that the Archive itself is rewriting the Internet history that it seeks to chronicle.
The Internet Archive's stated commitment is to provide a useful, wide-ranging resource for researchers, historians and scholars. It is surely in part due to such an admirable mandate that the Internet Archive has benefited from contributions from sponsors such as Alexa Internet, AT&T, Compaq and Xerox PARC, not to mention many individual supporters who believe in the idea of an Internet history that is freely accessible to all. It is doubtful that these supporters would want to see this ambitious initiative tainted by the suggestion that the integrity of the archive itself has been corrupted by those who would misuse copyright and trademark laws to censor views with which they disagree. The risk of such silent, selective discrimination against protected speech is great; the power to prevent such abuses by making all information related to such attempts to discriminate will always be greater.
Clearly, the best course of action is for the Internet Archive to adopt policy that is not only transparent, but dedicated to protecting not only its own interests, but those of copyright owners, site creators and, of course, the thousands of individuals who use the Wayback Machine and other Internet Archive services on a daily basis. On balance, the approach taken by Google, modified appropriately for the particular situation faced by the Internet Archive, would seem to be an excellent roadmap for the Internet Archive to follow.
Kady O'Malley, Dave Touretzky, and Scott Pilutik
Owners of Slatkinfraud.com
Find information about scientology at
g /2 //n tisc ient/5//P AgM/xenu2/ /
freenet:SSK@Zl388MATYv0Ah8GY6I2GuuNJapYPAgM/bor
freenet:SSK@WRhGF3h0ijFh1eVJnFu~H9OyIpAPAgM/a
freenet:SSK@jbf~W~x49RjZfyJwplqwurpNmg0
on freenet.
Fuck L. Ron Hubbard and fuck all his clones.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
Touch the link. It will take you to the canonical anti-scientology site.
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
Let's keep the chain going by sending your emails of disapproval here.
Travolta just got his Jet Airliner pilots license. he even flew his first flight recently. Maybe the scientologists are planning to fly Travolta into the Pentagon. lets all call the FBI!
The Scientologists need to use their secret Thetan DRM to protect their secret intellectual property rights.
Hopefully they'll protect it so well we won't have to hear about them ever again.
Now they need to go after Slashdot to get rid of these posts...
this is not a sig
I tried so hard to forget about Grease, and you had to come along and remind me. DAMN YOU!
that the church of the subgenius tells us to
beware of. It's a much more logical church
than the SoC. Some examples:
"You'd PAY to know what you REALLY think." --Dobbs 1961
"This is the original Time Control program that has helped thousands to fear no longer the STARK FIST of REMOVAL."
"Follow your FOLLIES and COMPULSIONS and become rich like us"
http://www.subgenius.com/
Many many similarities actually. And it's easy
to become an ordained minister. Check it out.
The most important thing any republican needs to know.
Shut up Mike!
http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?na
And now, so show how much we believe that Xenu.net should be viewed, we're going to slashdot the hell out of it to make sure no one can see it! Maybe this is the scientologists real plans to take it down?
"Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
Wouldn't it be ironical if Chinese are using US search engines for accessing "restricted" data and at the same time US citizens would using Chinese web archive for similar purposes?
You know, one day they're gonna fuck with the wrong person--say, a Tim McVeigh type--bankrupt the hell out of them, ruin their life, the usual. And at that point, when said person has nothing much to live for anymore and certainly nothing to lose, Scientology HQ will go up in a big orange-red ball of ammonium nitrate and diesel oil.
Frankly, I'm surprised that it hasn't happened already. But with their present behavior, it's only a matter of time.
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So by viewing it on a computer you are commiting an illegal act according to the words of the document. It also says that you may not print it.
Skiming their trademarks page, http://www.scientology.org/tmnotice.htm , that ones a killer. But skimming it in their trade marks they claim (among other things): flag, freedom, Source. After some items they have Symbol or Logo, but not after these.
Guess what? It is more often than not copyright violations that get these sites knocked down. A site that was 100% upfront about all sources of all information and didn't include any copyrighted material would be much harder for them to suppress.
I was taking one day at a time, but then several days got together and ambushed me. (from a Rhymes with Orange comic)
I just read the intro to scientology on Xenu.net and well now i'm really beginning to wonder why heavy-weights like amazon and google have been so polite to this 'church of $cientology'.
My conclusion is that either those companies have some 'believers' on their lines or they have been paid to take atleast temporarily all links to critical material about $cientology.
That might not be true but it mostly looks like that, good luck for xenu.net and other sites like that and the 'Warrios of internet' (like they say to be in their site) crippling this 'Church of $cientology'
How twisted might have been the inventors, Ron Hubbard, mind been to make something like that up and then start believing it.
He apparently gave his little finger to the devil and devil ate the whole man!
Pulsed Media Seedboxes
"They have a deep understanding of the power and reach of the legal system. They also have deep pockets to finance squelching operations. "
Kind of like Microsoft.
In recent news, Keith Henson had his home invaded just yesterday under pretext of bankruptcy asset investigation, because he has been bankrupted by Scientology litigation.
Heres a few ideas on fighting back.
1) Sign up for all the free websites you can. Throw as much scientology material as will fit in the space provided. Get as many people as possible to link to you. As each gets knocked down, keep putting more up. The internet can be faster than Scientology. Don't do this on paid webspace or a website you make money from unless you can afford the financial loss of the site getting pulled.
2) Throw megs and megs of anti scientology materials and "copyrighted" Scientology texts in your Kazaa, Direct Connect, Gnutella, etc. share directories. In Direct Connect, you can have a line that users will see a brief description of what you are offering. MAke sure to put Anti-Scientology there.
3) Get on pro Scientology mailing lists(there have to be a few with open membership) and spam it with anti scientology information. Even if they make it an invite only list in response, you still have won as fewer impressionable minds will randomly join.
Of course, you have to be a little careful especially with the last tactic, don't use your ISP email address.
Read all about it over in their forums in this thread.
...perhaps if Google, et al., could reply to CoS' demands to delete anti-CoS data by also promising to delete pro-CoS data as well... maybe that would shut them up. That is what I would do, anyways. But I don't run Google.
CoS: "You have no right to do that!"
Them: "Actually, we do. It's our website, not yours. What is fair for the goose is fair for the gander."
Whether or not it's censorship, lack of free-speech, whatever. THEY HAVE THE WORK COPYRIGHTED.
Mod me down, but this has to be said.
Copyright laws exist to protect the authors -- they might be using the law pretty heavy-handedly, but it's the law, they can use it.
When someone violates the GPL (a copyright breach, in effect), we go mental at that person until they release the code again under the GPL.
This is the same thing, it's just the copyright holder isn't held in such high asteem as linux/opensource, whatever. It doesn't mean that they can't use the law. The law is available to everyone, for whatever purpose.
You should read this Slashdot posting about this really bad thing they did. Man, that was unbelievable. To think that they actually got away with that... Fortunately, they'll never be able to censor Slashdot!
Jesus, this was the funniest pseudo-troll irrelevant post I've seen in months. Hear hear!
I had just posted a blog about this topic, yesterday - called "Sins of Ommission" - http://the-edge.blogspot.com - I'm sad to see it coming true so fast.
Perhaps something like this could be a catalyst for getting the word out for things like Freenet. Instead of putting actual content on the web. Put up a link into Freenet or the like with instructions included on how to get Freenet working.
http://www.clambake.org is just an alternate link to xenu.net.
In all my research, I've found the some very truthful and informative sites about Scientology:
Another Look at Scientology
Lermanet.com
A couple other interesting articles are found here:
L. Ron Hubbard birthday bash!
An interview with International President Heber Jentzsch
Learn the truth about Scientology from more than just OC because Andreas Heldal-Lund (the maintainer of xenu.net) goes a little too far at times without proper proof. He deserves our support, but he's not the only one trying to inform the public about CoS. Read more of what ex members have to say.
If the CoS fuckers bring it to court and win, then there's nothing that can be done, but we have a responsibility as citizens and members of the Internet community to fight this kind of restriction of information about a dangerous cult.
I personally would be glad to donate some money to anybody faced with a lawsuit from CoS - I know there are probably a lot of other Slashdotters who feel the same way, and could help out a bit. These people are dangerous to the foundation of our free and democratic society. God forbid they should ever come near me or fuck with my First Amendment rights - I would eat these people for lunch and then shit them out into a little hole in the ground, their fruity little celebrity members and all.
I may not be completely serious here, but the issue remains. I see Tax Exempt Religious Organizations abusing their status way too often. If they need Intellectual Property Protection, let them pay taxes!
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
So the owners of Godzilla have gone after the Mozilla guys for trademark infringement. Wonder if CoS might go after the creators of Xena the Princess Warrior r.e. Xenu.
Just wondering...
"Don't Follow Leaders." Bob Dylan
Google puts up a notice if you hit one of the Scientology censored pages, with a link to the Cease and Desist letter and a list of the censored pages.
Greatest fuck you to Scientology ever, without even having to take them to court.
Tim
Omnia vestra castrorum habetur nobis.
The Internet Archive is building a digital library of Internet sites and other cultural artifacts in digital form.
What it should be:
The Internet Archive is building a, censored per request, digital library of Internet sites and other cultural artifacts in digital form.
...because this is just fucking ironic.
The Wayback Machine is quite possibly the GREATEST example of copyright violation on the web. They steal damn near every piece of content on the web and call it a "library." Guess what folks? A *real* library pays for most, if not all, of it's content. (At the very least, they obtain their content by considerably more legal methods: grants, donations, interlibrary loans, etc... They don't just take a shopvac into a book store and suck up everything in sight.)
And to see them remove one person on the basis of possible copyright violations (note to all: the Xenu guys is most likely a nut; it's not like I'm crusading for the guy.), that's just rich, man.
Ed R.Zahurak
You know, oblivion keeps looking better every day.
What was the point with the cult they were chasing down in china? Very similar censorship, though for quite different reasons, i think...
Nope. Not especialy. Why do you ask?
Even if I say something insightfull or inteligent, it doens't matter cause I'm an ass.
What was it that brought the Klan down, huge civil lawsuits that bankrupted the organization? I believe one of their training ranches was seized and sold.
Imagine the assets the Church of Scientology owns! Lawyers would be drooling to get a contingency fee of THAT settlement.
Too scared to post reg...
Jensen is not only a Scientologist himself, he also only hires Scientologists - He requested: "Fully trained scientologists, computer skills desirable but not a prerequisite"
The German government requested Microsoft to release the source-code of Diskeeper for review. Microsoft agreed, but later said they can't disclose the source-code.
Later on, Microsoft released instructions (which included some registry-hacking) to remove Diskeeper from Windows 2000, which obviously was enough for the German government. That Diskeeper was reactivated after every Servicepack did not disturb anybody, obviously. I have not heard anything about Windows XP - only that Diskeeper is still in there, probably everybody has just lost interest.
My personal opinion is that Microsoft probably does not have the source of Diskeeper themselves which would mean that not a single non-Scientologist has ever seen a line of code from Diskeeper.
As a defragmentation program, Diskeeper has of course full access to all files on any Windows 2000 and Windows XP computer.
Scientologie's stated goal is "clear world" which means the elimination of all non-Scientologists (either by conversion or by other means) on this planet.
More information here:
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/99/25/058/
Posted anonymously for obvious reasons.
Actually Microsoft and Scientology have deeper ties than most people would expect. Microsoft usually never licenses any software, but in case of Diskeeper the made an exception:
"Diskeeper", the defragmentation program integrated in Windows 2000 and Windows XP is written by "Executive Software", which was founded by Craig Jensen, an "operating Thetan at level VIII".
Jensen is not only a Scientologist himself, he also only hires Scientologists - He requested: "Fully trained scientologists, computer skills desirable but not a prerequisite"
The German government requested Microsoft to release the source-code of Diskeeper for review. Microsoft agreed, but later said they can't disclose the source-code.
Later on, Microsoft released instructions (which included some registry-hacking) to remove Diskeeper from Windows 2000, which obviously was enough for the German government. That Diskeeper was reactivated after every Servicepack did not disturb anybody, obviously. I have not heard anything about Windows XP - only that Diskeeper is still in there, probably everybody has just lost interest.
My personal opinion is that Microsoft probably does not have the source of Diskeeper themselves which would mean that not a single non-Scientologist has ever seen a line of code from Diskeeper.
As a defragmentation program, Diskeeper has of course full access to all files on any Windows 2000 and Windows XP computer.
Scientologie's stated goal is "clear world" which means the elimination of all non-Scientologists (either by conversion or by other means) on this planet.
More information here:
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/99/25/058/
Posted anonymously for obvious reasons.
Hit them where it hurts. Write your congressman and demand that this cult has its tax-free status revoked. Then and only then will we the people have a chance of defending ourselves from this cult. At the moment the cult enjoys the protection of the federal government.
Not that I am for critising anyone.. but in the end everyone has the right to say what they want, if we agree with it or not, if it is good and just or not. So I leave you with this... "And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'."
SecondPageMedia - Wha
I referr you to this page, the Lisa McPherson Memorial Page. The Church basically took Lisa from a hospital after a car crash to a hotel, where they deprived her of food and water until she died. She was under Scientology care, in direct supervision of people following Scientology doctrine, when she died of extreme dehydration.
Law? The Church deserves no law, for it uses the law to its own ends, proclaiming it as it sees fit and ignoring it when it is inconvenient for them.
How can you use my intestines as a gift? -Actual Hong Kong subtitle.
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May Scientology dissappear once and forever.
p.s. refer to this quote if needed for the free (as in Free-Speech) hosting.
p.p.s. don't forget to checkout www.xenu.net
...Enron - L Ron... get it? Oh nevermind.
Especially not someone who has read their bible (i have). It sure shows its writer in a new light. The story is in par with any sience fiction book but this is the first to become a religion.As entertainment its alright but as a religion its awful. Im all for freedom of religion but not the kind that brainwash people. A religion must be able to stand on its own legs and Scientology is not able to do that. Any sane person that reads their scripts on there own will draw the same conclusion. They are way up the creek!
/dev/null.
Thats probably why they are so afraid of their scripts getting out. Anyone that reads them promptly file scientology under
The wayback machine situation and the google debacle previously covered on slashdot is just the tip of the iceberg of deception called Scientology.
The efforts to silence criticism cover the the complete gamut of the edges of what society will tolerate.
Time Magazine 1991
Time Magazine was forced to spend 7.5 million defending this suit.
The Judge in the case concluded that Scientology was a cult.
Don't wonder why there arn't more ex-members speaking out, Scientology has a pattern of conduct of litigation for silence. Look at how much they have spent GAGGING ex-members HERE. - Note well: This is just what I have been able to find out
Scientology claimed in its own court filings to have spent 1,700,000 suing me in RTC vs Lerma. Judge Brinkema was so outraged buy their conduct in the case, the raid where the scientologists, themselves, searched my home, even when they moved the attorney fees for the for 5/17ths of case that they 'won' { having LOST their TRADE SECRET CLAIMS ) for the story of XENU and the BODY THETANS.. Judge Brinkema Awarded them ZERO.
Further Google, while running tons of adverts for scientology REFUSES to run mine
Remember this - what we have webbed is only WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT for sure... I've been at this for 8 years trying to expose them, and even for me, I keep finding out that things that are worse than even I think
You have witnessed just the tip of the iceberg of the Scientology's pattern of conduct to try to intimidate witnesses into silence by extortionate conduct.
Anything you can do to get the word out will be appreciated..
Sincerely,
Arnie Lerma
An Ex-member
PS: Send lawyers and money
Ferengi + Borg = Scientology
I'm now able to molest chimps at nearly three times the speed I was capable of before SCIENTOLOGY SUPER POWER!!!!!!!!
Add up all the anti-rights going on including DRM and Palladuim (sp?) and what you have is a revert back to the dark ages via computers....
I've been saying that it's been more majic spells and such than computer science.....
We have been there before and have gotten out of it before...
If history is a lesson to prevent duplication of history, then why are we not using that history to not duplicate it?
I got an ofice job for the sole purpose of sexually harassing women.
Seems like Germany would be a good place to host an anti-Scientology website, since I believe they have laws against scientology, recognizing it for the cult that it is... Without engaging in a debate over the rights/wrongs of religious freedom here, does someone from germany know what would happen with a website of this nature hosted within germany?
If it turned out Googles' top executives were scientologists and they use google to support scientology, who would stop using their search engine?
I would.
ARCHIVE.ORG has blocked my entire web site: all of www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst. My home page. My list of professional publications. My research project web pages. The Gallery of CSS Descramblers. Tutorial pages, Lisp book, everything I've written.
I don't exist. I've never existed. I've been erased from Internet history.
All because I dared to have some Scientology material on my web site.
ARCHIVE.ORG boasts a relationship with the Lbrary of Congress and with the National Science Foundation. I wonder if they are receiving any government funding. Surely it is impermissible to do the bidding of an abusive cult, at the expense of honest citizens, while taking government money?
-- Dave Touretzky
They claim that these trademarks are registered in many countries throughout the world. However, TESS lists only some for the US, where they're based, I had thought?
Also, if you check this link here, you can see that Scientology has 173 trademarks, which include the letter "S", "THETA", "LIFE", and "NED", among many others.
Trademarks only started being registered about the mid eighties, but they point first use back into the fifties.
Point of this? Why on earth would a "church" or "religion", or even pseudoscience, *NEED* 173 Trademarks? Anyone who feels that this "religion" is truly something founded on research and not the facility of a science fiction hack who was paranoid and delusional, and is nothing more than a real pyramid scheme . . . Well, hope they wake up before they're too far into the cult.
Gnutella! Put all of what Scientology is fearful of on Gnutella and spread via peer to peer. Shut THAT down Scientology.
I tried twice to post something funny, but Slashdot won't let me!
CMDRTACO IS XENU!
L. Ron Hubbard sucks my ass
It would be even beyond $cientology to shut that down.
Umm, umm fried clams...
The whole lot of them should be taken out back and shot.
They are all a bunch of f-ing idiots and need to get a grip.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Make sure that none of the groups listed below has access to your life.
Applied Scholastics
ABLE
Narconon
Crimonon
Drug Free Marshals
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Inform your child's school that these groups are front groups for scientology and that you do not want these groups to have access in any way to your child.
Inform you ciy, state, governments that these groups are front groups for scientology.
Most people are NOT aware of the true nature of scientology.
Most people feel that a truly evil cult would be discovered and pushed out of our society.
Most people are too busy to learn about all of the things scientology has done.
Make sure that you check the connections of Every group you associate with.
Warning! Top Secret Clam facts are about to be exposed.
This may cause jaw pain and extreme cases of uncontrolled
laughter.
All over the internet, the latest question due to well known
controversies originating from alt.religion.scientology seems to
be, "What is this bit about clams?" "Why do people on ARS think
this is funny?", and the ever popular, "Can I be in on the joke?"
Well, here are some answers to all of this and more.
L. Ron Hubbard late in 1952 wrote a book called "What To Audit",
later renamed "The History Of Man". It is still sold by the
Church Of Scientology and this book contains many of the basic
beliefs of the Church Of Scientology. It is considered by many
connosieurs of kook literature as a true classic of kook nonsense
and it is well worth looking for this book in used books stores
if you are indeed interested in a book that proves that there isn't
anything so stupid that people won't believe in it if it's in a book.
L. Ron Hubbard in the introduction claimed it was "a cold blooded
look at your last 60 trillion years." How could this be wrong?
He also claimed his book finally proved the theory of evolution.
(Patience, we will get to them clams soon enough.)
This following excert of History Of Man is taken from the book
Bare Faced Messiah by Russell Miller, a fine book for the neophyte
Scientologist watcher and clam afficionado.
Thanks also to Diane Richardson who originally typed this excerpt
up and posted it to ARS.
In a narrative style that wobbled uncertainly between
schoolboy fiction and a pseudo-scientific medical paper,
Hubbard sought to explain the the human body was occupied by
both a thetan and a 'genetic entity', or GE, a sort of low-
grade soul located more or less in the centre of the body.
To underpin his new science, Hubbard created an entire
cosmology, the essence of which was that the true self of
an individual was an immortal, omniscient and ominpotent
entity called a 'thetan'. In existence before the beginning
of time, thetans picked up and discarded millions of bodies
over trillions of years.
('The genetic entity apparently enters the protoplasm line
some two days or a week prior to conception. There is some
evidence that the GE is actually double, one entering on the
sperm side...') The GE carried on through the evolutionary
line, 'usually on the same planet', whereas the thetan only
came to earth about 35,000 years ago to supervise the
development of caveman into homo sapiens. Thus the GE was
once 'an anthropoid in the deep forests of forgetten
continents or a mollusc seeking to survive on the shore of
some lost sea'. The discovery of the GE (Hubbard hailed
every fanciful new idea as a 'discovery') 'makes it possible
at last to vindicate the theory of evolution proposed by Darwin'.
Much of the book was devoted to a re-working of evolution,
starting with 'an atom, complete with electronic rings'
after which came cosmic impact producing a 'photon
converter', the first single-cell creature, then seaweed,
jellyfish and the clam.
^^^^^^ Look! Clams!
Many engrams, for example, could be traced back to clams.
The clam's big problem was that there was a conflict
between the hinge that wanted to open and the hinge that
wanted to close. It was easy to restimulate the engram
caused by the defeat of the weaker hinge, Hubbard pronounced,
by asking a pre-clear to imagine a clam on a beach opening
and closing its shell very rapidly and at the same time
making an opening and closing motion with thumb and
forefinger. This gesture, he said, would upset large
numbers of people.
'By the way,' he warned, 'your discussion of these incidents
with the uninitiated in Scientology can cause havoc.
Should you describe the "clam" to some one [sic], you may
restimulate it in him to the extent of causing severe jaw
pain. Once such victim, after hearing about a clam death,
could not use his jaws for three days.'
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Does your jaw ache, dear reader?
Bwahahahhahahahaha!
Clams! And people pay to be taught stuff like this from silly lads
who believe stuff like this. And they claim it is science!
And a religion! Low level Scientologists are discouraged from
reading this book and are told it will all be explained later
when they are ready to understand the higher secrets of Scientology.
'Clam' is a word used on alt.religion.scientology to describe
scientologists who believe stuff like this and explains the rash of
clam jokes of alt.religion.scientology.
More secrets of Scientology:
After the clam became the 'Weeper' or the 'Boohoo', a
mollusc that rolled in the surf for half a million years,
pumping sea water out of its shell as it breathed, hence
its name. Weepers had 'trillions of misadventures',
prominent among them the anxiety caused by trying to gulp
air before being swamped by the next wave. 'The inability
of a pre-clear to cry,' Hubbard explained, 'is partly a
hang-up in the Weeper. He is about to be hit by a wave,
has his eyes full of sand or is frightened about opening
his shell because he may be hit.'
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Progressing along the genetic time-track, evolution arrived
at the sloth, which 'had bad times falling out of trees',
the ape and the famous Piltdown Man, which was the cause
of a multitude of engrams, ranging from obsessions about
biting to family problems. These could be traced back to
the fact that 'the Piltdown teeth were enormous and he was
quite careless as to whom and what he bit.' Indeed, so
careless was the Piltdown Man, Hubbard recorded, that he
was sometimes guilty of 'eating one's wife and other
somewhat illogical activities.' (Unfortunately
for Hubbard, just twelve months after The History of Man
was published, the supposed fossil remains of primitive
man found in gravel on Piltdown Common in the south of
England were exposed as a hoax. The Piltdown Man had
never existed.
The History of Man drifted into pure science fiction when
Hubbard came to the point of explaining how thetans
moved from body to body. Thetans abandoned bodies earlier
than GEs, it appeared. While the GE stayed around to see
the body through to death, thetans were obliged to report
to a between-lives 'implant station' where they were
implanted with a variety of control phases while waiting
to pick up another body, sometimes in competition with
other disembodied thetans. Hubbard revealed that most
implant stations were on Mars, although women occasionally
had to report elsewhere in the solar system and there
was a 'Martian implant station somewhere in the Pyrenees'.
Well, there you have it. How can we deny the genius of
L.Ron Hubbard? The thoughtful and useful ideas he taught
the world? He obvious deep learning and careful judgement?
The certain correctness and amazing insights of the basic beliefs
of Scientology?
More tartar sauce with your clams?
Poor Little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Poor Little Clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Dianetics is NOT a scienos bible.
Dianetics only touches on a very small percentage of what the cult teaches.
The only way to legitimately see all of their material is to pay BIG bucks for auditing.
Having said that I am happy you saw through the bullshit.
Wish you the best on the outside.
And you don't even have to be in the same room. Just exteriorize yourself and molest away!!!!
I've posted this before, but what the hell, I might as well do it again.
Basically, Scientology is a terrorist organization/organized crime syndicate based out of the US. In fact, you can very easily compare them to Al Qaida.
Scientology and Al Qaida share these traits
- Threats of violence (and actual cases of murders and harm to people) and abuse of host countries legal system against detractors
- Interference with and infiltration of the governments in the countries they are hosted in
- Cells operating all over the world
- Stockpiles of weapons and armed compounds
- Religious dogma used to control members and threats and violence used to stop members who want to leave from leaving
- Members are expected to be utterly loyal and are stripped of almost all money and most worldly possessions.
- Use of torture and inhumane forms of punishment
- Uses money to attack enemies (for Al Qaide, the US and her allies, for Scientology, it is anyone who detracts from them.)
- Aims their recruiters at people who are vulnerable or off balance (drug users, the poor).
Hell, they even went as far as to interfere with medical workers helping 9/11 victims last year in their rush to try to recruit people in a state of shock over what had happened.
So, when is the Bush administration going to get serious about terrorists in this country and take out America's largest and most heavily financed terrorist organization?
When is the FBI going to raid Gold Base? Why isn't the Free Winds seized at customs next time it stops by and searched. I bet they find a lot of nose powder on board for the leaders despite the "church"'s insistance that they hate drugs.
Why don't they look into Clearwater and the CO$'s interference with the government there?
Why won't they listen to our own Allies who are telling us that the CoS is a big criminal racket?
So come on Bush admin, if you are going to bomb other countries, why don't you just take care of the terrorist organizations HERE in the US first?
--Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
Embarrassment over an archived draft version of Battlfield Earth.
Jesus saves....And takes 1/2 damage.
They are also considered a cult.
ac
I new C.A.N. was a scientology front, but is Narconon too?
Do a search on Yahoo for the phrase 'why are these people dead'
You will be surprised.
Scientology is NOT a religion.
Scientology is a cult.
The distiction between the two groups
Narcanon
narconon
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The scientology group has a CON in the middle. Fitting don't you think.
Narcanon.org is a wonderful organization. Its services are FREE.
NarCONon is a group run by the cult and is expensive. Ask Kirstie the coke whore. She knows. Ask Julliette Lewis. She knows.
The first thing that hit my brain when I read this is "history is written by the victors". Because in a lot of ways, that is exactly the type of tactic that is being used here.
The Wayback Machine has always been something I viewed as a type of historical record. But for the first time, we actually had a real record of everything. This wasn't an interpretation of history by an individual, or organization. This wasn't a collection of stories told by people, where each time the story is retold the meanings are changed and people tell things differently and emphasize different points of view. This was an actual snapshot of our history that would not be presented in any way other than it was, or corrupted by human motives or fallacy.
How many times have you wished for a time machine just so that we could really know what happened? We could really know how the Dinosaurs were destroyed. Who shot JFK. Why Hitler would invade his own country and promote racial superiority with characteristics he did not have himself. What really happened when Jesus was crucified. Exactly what did Mohammed see when Allah appeared to him. Did Atlantis exist. Did King Arthur really receive a sword from a lady in the lake.
Pure data gathering through something like the Wayback Machine has a real chance to take snapshots of time. You would have the ability to look at firsthand testimonials, videos, images, and audio from every viewpoint and in an entire context. U.S. history books may never discuss how the United States polarized after September 11th, but preserving all of the blogs and news articles and video footage and interviews dumped onto the Internet, from the United States, Afghanistan, other countries in the Middle East, all over the world, would provide our descendants with an understanding of what happened orders of magnitude greater than anything we can comprehend about history today.
A thousand years from now, when Scientology becomes the religion 99% of the human race believes in because we are scattered across galaxies, a historical record of Xenu.net and the debates on Scientology, the believers of Scientology, and the detractors, would be akin to finding the original stone tablet which Moses brought down from the heavens, along with every single version of the bible in every single language since then.
I cannot be happy with our species to see history get thrown away like this.
Amen Brother!
because I was not a scientology critic.
Then they came for the fair-use activists
and I did not speak out
because I didn't care about fair-use rights.
Then they came for the librarians
and I did not speak out
because I did not use the library.
Then they came for me
and I was too poor
to speak out for myself.
"Yeah, yeah, pissy civil liberties assholes comparing some crap no one cares about to the death of millions of people." You might not care that what is happening will produce another dark age that will set back societal progress hundreds of years, but I do.
I haven't seen a link posted to Dave Touretzky's page yet. Here it is: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/. His Scientology page is here: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html. He has even been protested on-campus by these idiots because of his site.
Besides all the general information related to Scientology found at Operation Clambake, there are two categories of information that I feel are most important in understanding the premises under which the Church of Scientology, or Co$ for short, operate:
Copyright:
This page explains Scientology's misuse of copyrights and explains why their documents should not be subject to copyright laws. Basically, copyrights were intended to encourage publication of works, the exact opposite of what Scientology is trying to do. Furthermore, copyright law allows fair use for the purpose of critical review. How can you review something that isnt published? A significant portion, if not the whole document would need to be reproduced in order to evaluate it fairly.
Legal Standings:
Read the decision of WOLLERSHEIM vs CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF CALIFORNIA. To sum up the case, a man who was mentally unstable was psychologically tortured and further had his business and life ruined by Scientology. He sued and won millions after 20+ years. The judgement is important because it shows that Scientology is a religion, however its actions were not protected by the First Ammendment because its actions were performed in a coercive manner, and further that the Co$ deliberately tried to ruin his life socially, financially, and psychologically, by means not neccesarily legal. This covers the practices of Fair Game and Freeloaders Debt used and condoned by the Co$.
Moderation Totals: Flamebait=2, Troll=1, Redundant=1, Insightful=6, Overrated=1, Underrated=1, Total=12. (not mine)
Even if you aren't very interested in Scientology I highly reccomend you read the court document. You will be educated greatly on the provisions of the Religious clause of the First Ammendment. Both sections of it, the establishment clause, and the practice clause are discussed, as well as what is protected by them, and specific examples of when the government can and has overridden them, and why. It will make you smarter, I happened to be reading it tonight before this article was posted on /. strangely enough.
Moderation Totals: Flamebait=2, Troll=1, Redundant=1, Insightful=6, Overrated=1, Underrated=1, Total=12. (not mine)
. . . what they really are. When I was younger, I had a little run in with that cult and evidently ended up on their shit list. I didn't find out about this until years later. During a series of interviews I was having to obtain a security clearance, I was asked extensively about it. I have a very strong feeling (but no proof) that being a member of that cult will prevent you from ever getting a clearance.
'moderation' ruined it
Scientologists cleaning up.
A covert op gone bad.
fucking scientologist guddam stupid bastards...i'll kill the next one I see on the street
That's almost a haiku, but not quite. I'll fix it.
Op'ration Snow White
Scientologists clean up
Covert op gone bad
Hey kids, there's only 5 days left 'til Yak Shaving Day!
You stay away from them too, and you'll be ok. Don't bait them by posting pieces of their copyrighted work, even if you feel you have (or truly have!) fair use rights to do so. Then they won't bother you.
But, you activists are saying, Scientology is an evil organization that murders its followers after taking all their money while giving you bogus and demeaning tests!
Well, well, well. I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of "evil" organizations out there--way way too many for you to take on. Even if you eliminited Scientology*, one thousand other organizations will be right there to demand your immediate attention. You can't win.
The only solution to educating the general populace about dangerous organizations is for parents to educate their kids. Can you imagine how many more traffic deaths there would be if it were up to the government to tell kids to not walk across busy streets without looking both ways? Those kids are spared because we've distributed the solution to the problem across millions of people.
Swell, huh? Now all we have to do is convince parents to teach their kids something or another, which is an uphill battle that we also cannot win.
However, you'll notice a distinct difference between not winning against the parents versus not winning against the 'Church: I don't have the Scientologists breathing down my neck.
So when all is said and done, it really sounds like I'm telling all you Scientologist-fighters that you could do something more productive with your time. And I am. But it's your time, so have fun.
maybe xenu.net is RUN by scientologists...
If Co$ claims they own my writing I'll have to go sue them for plagarism :-) .....
Want to get your own back against Co$ientology for their continuing censorship of the net? This thanksgiving when you're with your family (or whoever) bring up the subject ... tell them:
Maybe we need to create one verry definitive page, then mirror it EVERYWHERE much like what was done for decss.c?
Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
I think a bullet in your head would be too easy. As I recall, Scientoligists like to starve people to death. That would be cool to watch.
That's some scary scary stuff. Is any of it true?
is this post exactly the same as above
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http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=40629&c
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=40629&c
Note one is 09 and one is 49, Is that the way I'm supposed to get my Karma to max out, keep reposting the same stuff untill somebody mods it up enough???
LinuxWorx
Spelling errors are intentional as are gramatical error
Dunno about Germany, but Scientology is regarded as a cult in France and is well and truly illegal there :)
It's possibly one of the few reasons to live in France (I have to say that, I'm British)
Troc
Troc's dubious podcast and blog: http://www.trocnet.net
Actually, $cientology lost one recently. A court case, started back in the 80's, which cult head David Miscavaige promised "Not one thin dime for Wollersheim", was finally resolved this year when $cientology paid 86,748,430 thin dimes ($8,674,848) to Lawrence Wollersheim after the long battle. He originally won $30 million in a lawsuit, but was later reduced to $2.5 million on appeal. $cientology drained the assets out of the "Church of $cientology of California", then claimed bankruptcy, forcing long drawn out proceedings to extend the judgement to the receivers of C$C of California's assets.
As Wollersheim prepared to expose $cientology's true corporate structure, $cientology paid the $2.5 million, plus stautatory interest of 10% since judgement (hence the $8.6 million award).
--You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
The "CLAM" incident was based upon Hubbard "auditing" L ron Hubbard Jr., AKA NIBS HUBBARD, AKA Ron De Wolfe.
When Scientology was kicked out of Wichita Kansas, and Hubbard fled to Pheonix AZ ( He had to leave there in a Hurry too)His son drove non stop from Wichita to Pheonix, high on "bennies" (Amphetamines). Hubbard Sr. "audited" his son as soon as he arrived. Of course, the amphetamines during this long drive (There were NOT interstate highways then folks - 1951) made Nibs grit his teeth, and by the time he got to Pheonix, his jaws were pretty sore, from clenching them.....So Hubbard's Book :History of man", this book is based on Hubbard Auditing his own son after he'd been up for days whacked on speed!
Scathing Newspaper Article "Son of Scientology" L Ron Hubbard's Son - Ron DeWolf denounces his own father as a fraud - Read this hard to find 1982 interview in the News Herald
And For jollies, listen to this slam poetry by L href="http://www.mp3.com/stations/jamie_kennedy">R on Hubbard's Great Grand son Jamie Kennedy talk about "My mother still has a letter from Ron threatening to break my grandfather's legs"
Having a nice day David Miscavige? (Kid who replaced "Ron") He used to be called the asthmatic dwarf
SincerelyArnie Lerma
Ferengi + Borg = Scientology
here are some articles (some of which are joke articles making fun of the situation).
Large print giveth, and the small print taketh away
Read the link to Heise. You probably do not know c't, since it is only available in German, but it is famous for the quality of its reporting.
Finally! A year of moderation! Ready for 2019?
> decision.
Really? I think it's rather a reward for stupidity that wouldn't be possible anywhere else.
Here is a post I made several days ago on Metafilter regarding the xenu.net blocking.
Truth of the matter is that xenu.net wasn't the only site blocked. The owner of Xenu.net posted all the details to alt.religion.scientology.
In short, archive.org blocked a whole list of sites that the CoS objected to - not just one - and they did so without notifying the site owners that their material was blocked. This is a very wrongheaded thing for any site to do, much less one that is supposed to respect the historical value of archiving the Internet.
In order to get the legal protection that the DMCA offers, a site has to take down content almost immediately upon notification, *BUT* they are also obligated to try and notify the owner of that content about the take down. The owner of the content can then object to the take down, in which case the content can be unblocked. Legal action could then potentially be taken against the party who objected to the takedown of the content, with no liability whatsoever to the host of the content. Xenu.net was never given this option however. The owner of xenu.net also informed me the other day that archive.org has yet to respond to his requests for information regarding this issue.
Frankly, the minimum that archive.org could have done is to at least let its users know that threats from the CoS have caused them to block several sites about Scientology. Instead, they took down several sites (we still don't know which ones) without telling anybody. To me, this an act of cowardice. Did they have to block the content for legal reasons? Yes, I suspect they did. However, they didn't have to become a silent partner to an act of censorship.
"All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent"... or words to that effect.
In other words, it's time for the sites that we all depend upon to wake up and grow a set.
Online Library of books about Scientology. VERY GOOD
Operation Clambake
FACTNet, over 50 megs of information about $cientology
Tell your family, tell your friends. Forewarned is forearmed.
Lee
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
Howto wget an entire website? Please explain.
It is a Scientology based alcohol and drug reform center. He said it changed his life. I never ever thought my dad would stop drinking and he has been clean and sober for over a year and quite happy. I have to agree that it is life-changing, all for the better. Insurance paid for his 3 month stay.
I guess you can say Scientology worked a miracle for me because it has brought back someone in my life who I had written off as dead (and trust me it wasn't dumb luck).
Take it for what you will. Since this is a positive statement concerning Scientology I'm sure it will be modded down to "-1 Troll".
It's nice to see at least one news source keeping up the struggle to expose Scientology for the cult they are.
I just hope they don't go too far before they get sued into the ground.
I for one really dislik....
er, never mind. I don't that kind of money to protect myself.
The Internet is generally stupid
You are broken. Only a $19,000 treatement in the gullibility ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h e-meter can clense and clear you from your chimp molesting.
[Will never see light of day due to too many comments anyway...]
.edu domains would be a good start), they'd have to work damned hard to send out lots of letters and make lots of phone calls. Their lawyers are either (i) mind controlled scientologists, or (ii) on the payroll. They only have a finite number of (i) and so the more we use up their resources of (ii) the less money they have overall.
So -- if Scientologists are able to censor with lawsuits, why not just inundate them? Then, they have to hire more lawyers, and spend more money. If a bunch of folks all put up mirrors all over the place (methinks
They have lots of money. We have lots of cyberspace. Methinks I'll post some links today.
Support a few technologists in Washington.
So Cage gets added to the long list of hollywood stars that I will boycott.
Sad.
'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'
--George Orwell's 1984
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me
Nazi societies, whose atheistic views
Maybe you should spent a few every so valuable seconds of your existence reading up on exactly what the basis for the persecution of the Jews was. If you're really good, you may even be able to spend a whole minute working out what role certain churchs played during the Nazi regiem.
The issue isn't whether or not McDonald's kept their coffee too hot. The issue is what did the consumer do that led to the accident that led to the spilled coffee?
Now, if a drive-thru attendant dropped the coffee in her lap while handing it to her then there's definitely a case for negligence. If instead, which I believe to be the case, the woman chose to use her lap as the holder for said cup of coffee then you really have to wonder about things.
Life is inherently a dangerous game. People take risks and should be aware that their are consequences for the risks that they take. Our current judicial system has eliminated that calculation and now the idea is that there are only potential rewards for your actions. (Look at all those ads, "Were you in an accident? You may be entitled to monetary compensation..."
Maybe the McDonald's case isn't the best one to hold up for this. There are plenty of other cases that show how bad this is too. I had a coworker whose farther worked for Coleco (remember them?). He was a lawyer whose job it was to go around the country defending Coleco in law suits related to their pools. One suit was about a man who had paralyzed himself after setting up one of these pools (they're little 4' deep above ground numbers), installing a diving board and then diving into the pool and breaking his neck. Despite all of the "No Diving" warnings and the fact that the problem was created by a user modification (installing the diving board) Coleco still had to defend itself from a lawsuit.
We need a "you shouldn't have been doing that" clause for these suits.
--- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
The parent is a fp karma whore - the post is a shameless cut and paste from http://xenu.net/clam_faq.html without any credit.
The ex'es are whining because they were dumb enough to be duped by this pop-religion. Some of he ex'es are as fanatical as the proponents IMHO. Makes for interesting entertainment.
They need to be taught this:
The Advanced Bonewits Cult Danger Evaluation Frame 2.6
http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html
German Version of the ABCDEF 2.0
http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF_German.html
French Version of the ABCDEF 2.6
http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF_French.html
if they were taught this in school we wouldn't have this problem.
When they discovered that the idea of midichlorians was frowned upon by the majority of sci-fi fanatics, they decided to give up on religion altogether to prevent further public embarassment.
oh wait... midichlorians... that's Star Wars, not $cientology. oh well. So much for me being able to keep track of religions based on science fiction.
Karma: NaN
Therefore I contract myself with the SEA ORGANIZATION for the next billion years.
^
^
Spot a thetan.
I didn't really expect to get modded +5 for something anti-CoS, or I probably would've posted as an AC.
I live in a quiet cul-de-sac in a small town in Nebraska. This morning, a white late-model Buick Regal (or similar) with Nebraska license plates 7-A4163 pulled up to my neighbor's curb and started taking pictures of my house. The driver, a heavy middle-aged male wearing dark glasses, drove off when I stood up from the breakfast table to get a better look.
Great - I really needed some extra grief in my life right now.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
While it may be flamebait to say "Church == Cult", I feel like anyone saying CoS is not a church should be accountable for explaining the difference (at least before they earn their "+1, Insightful"; more like "Troll" to me). It's a trivial task to list religious groups who ...
- profess beliefs that are strange and irrational,
- suppress their opposition relentlessly,
- cultivate and fleece wealthy believers.
While we're at it, the term "cult" is also loaded. It used to mean a small religious sect, but is now a scare term whose definition is flexible at the convenience of the accuser.Sig may be flammible ...
At work I have an Alpha workstation with 96 MB of memory. I tried running Mozilla, but it was takes up so much ram that my machine thrashes like crazy and it's difficult to get anything else done. Thus, I run Netscape.
(I'm addressing this post to Mr. Fucktard, the CofS member who, as part of his official duties, entered a pro-CofS post on a previous anti-CofS thread. I'm fairly sure that at least one reasonably advanced CofS member will be given the job of reading all the posts on this thread, and possibly entering a riposte post. Whether it will be the same Fucktard as before, I do not know.)
;)
My dear Fucktard,
You have my sympathy. Tracking down all the ultimate sources of entheta directed against the CofS is a dismaying task - there is so much of it coming from so many directions. Who are all these Anonymous Cowards and who are the real people behind all the logon names?
Really, it does not matter. You have come to believe that all attacks on your church are ultimately the work of evil, supressive people who intend to thwart mankind's only true hope for freedom and enlightenment, for "a world without insanity or war or crime, where the able can prosper and where honest beings have rights."
You also have a reality on the benefits of CofS training and auditing that none of the wog posters here could possibly share.
What you might find interesting is that many former members (possibly including a few on this thread other than just me) do acknowledge those benefits. (Check out the O.J. Roos story - fascinating stuff!)
Yet they and I, at the end of the day, realized that we had been enslaved, that our losses exceeded our gains. A fair part of that loss is due to the incredibly bad public image that the CofS has earned for itself. The church's practices of bleeding its members dry financially, of relentlessly attacking its critics and of mercylessly overworking its staff (of being "ruthless" in the words of an FEBC transcript) are at the root of the comtempt people have for the church - not "black propaganda" spread by its enemies.
Sure, I know you've had some real gains, otherwise you wouldn't be so involved with the church. But if you honestly seek the truth and if you have the integrity to recognize it when you see it, then you might someday be free of that monstrous institution that you think is saving your life, but which is actually ruining it.
I wish you success in finding true freedom!
Much Love,
Anomyous Prudent Person.
P.S.: I asked myself, "From where could I communicate to a victim?" The answer that popped into my head was "Slashdot!!"
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/earthlink.htm
Clever signature text goes here.
You've been marked as an SP.
Suppressive Person. Enemy of Scientology.
Probably they hired a PI to check you out. SHRED before you throw away documents.
7-a4163
YOu might be able to run the license plate to see who the guy is.
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Unless your house is up for sale. [;)
Yes, that's right. But my point is that even Slashdot, which has a tradition of allowing just about anything due to its excellent moderation system, still felt the need to physically remove material in the face of dealing with the Scientologists.
You all have no reason to believe me, but...
I personally know someone who worked for Executive Software from a about a year who has seen source code. He is not a Scientologisst. He did site part of his reason for leaving them (Executive Software) was that he was getting pressure to "check out" Scientology.
In any case, he's seen source code. But the company clearly has Scientology as a core value.
At my Scientology Lies site, I document my correspondence with Google about ads for that site. Google's policy is not to run ads for sites that are critical of a person or organization, so it's impossible to advertise consumer information sites warning people about unethical or illegal practices by any organization, be it Scientology or McDonald's.
When I pointed out that one of the sites Scientology advertised was bashing psychiatrists, though, they didn't feel that ran afoul of their policy.
As for shenanigans, there's an excellent analysis of just how successful Scientology's attempts to spam search engines have been.
Kristi
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
*** Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?
The Wayback Machine thing sucks, as do so many other Scientology actions against the net, but frankly I'm a little more concerned about how Scientology's actions affect people's rights out in the non-virtual world.
This is an organization that has framed critics, including journalist Paulette Cooper, who was indicted for sending bomb threats which, in reality, Scientology had sent to themselves. Scientology also attempted to frame Clearwater mayor Gabriel Cazares (for hit-and-run), U.S. District Judge Ben Krentzman (for solicitation and drug use), attorney Michael Flynn (for cashing a forged check), BBS operator Tom Klemesrud (for battery), attorney Graham Berry (for child molestation and battery), author Russell Miller (for murder), and former Scientologists Martin Hunt (for Internet posts; his report of the police officer's visit didn't mention what was being alleged about the posts) and Gene Allard (for grand theft - Allard won a 1974 malicious prosecution suit against Scientology).
Numerous instances of making false reports to police have been reported.
This is an organization that has seen 11 top-ranking executives go to jail in the U.S. for infiltrating government offices to steal and plant documents. In the similar Canadian trial, three Scientology executives and the Toronto church organization itself were found guilty of similar crimes.
The FBI raids in the late 70s turned up evidence of the frame-ups of Cooper and Cazares, along with evidence that Scientology had infiltrated numerous other government offices, such as the California Attorney General's office, as well as newspapers like the Clearwater Sun, law offices like Sidley & Austin, and other organizations, such as the Clark County Mental Health Agency. A Scientologist on the San Diego police force was fired for passing police information to Scientology.
A typical response from Scientology spokepeople is "that was years ago." (We never did that, and besides, we don't do it anymore.)
Well, there were five frame-up attempts that I can count in the past 3-4 years (Keith Henson, successfully framed and now a fugitive in Canada; Mark Bunker, acquitted; Bob Minton, acquitted twice but now apparently extorted into testifying for Scientology; Jesse Prince, hung jury).
There are also disturbing signs that Scientology is continuing to infiltrate government offices and businesses. A motion was filed just a couple of weeks ago alleging religious discrimination in the case of a woman who was fired from the Greenwich Housing Authority after Scientology management systems were introduced and employees were required to attend Scientology courses, paid for with thousands of dollars in public money, and the EEOC recently took action in a Texas case in which employees at a dental office were fired after refusing to attend Scientology classes. The Sacramento News & Review did a story not long ago about a publishing house that uses Scientology management techniques, run by Scientologists Dennis McKenna (who, as a Scientology spokesman, defended what Scientology did to Paulette Cooper) and Don Pearson (who gave extensive Scientology training to Allstate employees until management finally stopped it); the company, eRepublic, publishes a magazine on the use of technology in government (and another on the use of technology in education) and consults to governments on technology issues. The magazine includes ads for business training - never mentioning that it teaches Scientology principles - offered by people like Arte Maren - long-time Scientologist, co-conspirator in the 70s government infiltration case, and trainer in the Greenwich Housing Authority case.
I'm concerned that people confronted by Scientology training in the workplace don't know their rights. I hope the EEOC will vigorously defend people who are being illegally subjected to Scientology training at work - and I hope journalists will keep a closer eye on Scientology's continuing infiltration in government and business.
Kristi
Scientology Lies
I think the primary difference between a Cult and a Church is a single charismatic leader. A Cult relies on this leader to hold the flock together. A Cult graduates to a Church when the leader dies and the flock keep their faith.
:)
By this logic the CoS is really a Church. Every Church starts as a Cult, so the only Churches that get misidentified as Cults are the relatively new ones (like Scientology).
If anyone thinks Scientology is too ridiculous to be a Church then remember that Buddha saw demons, the Torah requires five prayer sessions a day and the Bible states that the earth is less than 5000 years old. It wouldn't be faith if it made sense
NICK the dick Cage married Lisa Marie Presley heiress to the Elvis fortune and a devout scientologist.
Priscilla is the mom.
From celeb.txt
Rising star Erika Christensen is a 2nd generation clam. Swimfan, Traffic, Banger Sisters
Malcolm in the Middle star who plays the oldest brother. Masterson , also a 2nd generation clam AND who just happens to be the brother of the guy that plays HYDE on 'that 70's show'.
Grounded for Life- Bartelson. the older daughter. Also 2nd generation. Daughter of a Scientology lawyer. Talk about a cult with teeth.
Apparently that Hyde bastard from the 70's show has got 'donna=prepon' doing scientology courses.
Bart Simpsons voice. Scientologist.
Of course Cruise, Kirstie Alley, Jenna Elfman, Travolta, Julliette Lewis.
Catherine Bell from JAG. Yes she is hot but I'm sorry, it must be done.
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Check it out.
Just run searches on your favorite stars on google
'john travolta' scientology
You will be surprised.
There money supply has to be shut off.
I read on the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology that certain websites critical of the Church of Scientology had been blocked on Wayback Machine. My website (www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk) falls into that category, so I took a look. To my surprise, I found a note to the effect that my website had been blocked at my request.
At my request? I hadn't known Wayback Machine existed!
So I wrote them. Back came a form letter referring me to a post on the Archive.org forum, which indicated that certain websites had been blocked at the request of the Church of Scientology. No apology. They've now changed the notice to say my URL is 'not available'. No explanation as to why.
Earlier this year my website was checked by CoS lawyers who asked me to remove material over which they claimed copyright. I did so. My website is currently legally clean so far as the Church of Eternal Litigation is concerned, but Wayback Machine will continue to block it - forever.
Archive.org have presumably not checked to see if the complaints were valid. That would cost money. So would websurfing to Slashdot and elsewhere to find out what happened to Google - bad publicity.
Let's be clear about this. The Church of Scientology is not concerned about copyright issues in general here - their own website www.scientology.org which is full of copyright notices is still available on Wayback Machine! What they want to do is to block access to their secret advanced courses, for which they charge Church members thousands of dollars.
They are legally entitled to this protection. My concern is that archive.org have yet to formulate a coherent policy towards blocking. They don't inform website owners that their sites have been blocked, they don't check to see if the blocking requests are valid, they don't say why a site has been blocked.
http://members.tripod.com/zinjifar0/wayblock.gif Zinj
Of course if you really want to be scared, consider that the same type of people who were virulently anti-Jew prior to World War II are now big fans of Israel because they see it as helping to fulfill prophecy and bring about Armaggedon. Like we don't have enough to worry about without having to deal with the end of the world as well.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
WITH Pitchforks?
Copyright Term extension act passed by Sonny Bono, who was a scientologist had this bill passed and directly benefits those Scientology Thetanoids.
copyright term extension act.
A bill passed by Sonny Bono. A scientologist.