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Bon Jovi Tries New Approach To Fight Piracy
Dudio writes "80s-era rock band Bon Jovi is taking a novel approach to fighting piracy of their upcoming album, Bounce. Retail CDs will be distributed with a unique serial number with which the purchaser can register in order to receive such exclusives as prioritized concert ticket purchases and unreleased music. Finally, somebody in the entertainment industry is attempting to adapt to the changing market rather than rushing to protect an outdated business model." All Bon Jovi jokes aside, it is nice to see a fresh approach.
Locke!Erasmus feels that this is a prudent and wise course of action for Bon Jovi to take. I only hope that they will keep some records on whether they profit from this strategy, and how much they profit. Hopefully, if it works, we will see more labels/artists try new tactics such as this one instead of simply threatening to DOS people who are running a P2P application.
I should have picked out the nickname Demosthenes!Tecumseh.
It must be piracy because everyone wants to buy new records from a rock band that is 15 years out of date.
Or will they go down in a blaze of glory?
Well, it's good to see someone fighting it in a novel way, but will it make much difference?
The guy downloading it for free probably wouldn't buy it in the first place, much less go to a concert.
Some people do illegal things just because they can.
Side note: That flag in my back pocket thing Sambora did was in bad taste.
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It sounds like he's not really trying to combat piracy, per se, but more encourage people to buy the CD for the perks and benefits that would come of it.
Sounds like a great idea... Do something where people want to buy your CD more than trying to make it impossible for them to copy it.
I hope it works for him.
doh!!!
We dont need no Macrovision copy protection schemes ( which are widely cracked already ) !
Go Bon Jovi go! And they still rock!
Even though i don't really like their music, it's nice to see someone who's actually somewhat popular to be doing this.
This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Never heard of him.
Yes, my girlfriend is a BitchX
Um, yeah. Unreleased until it's released to the paying customers, who then pass it off to the non-paying "customers." The prioritized ticket thing, on the other hand, actually makes sense.
IWARS.
People, in general, disappoint me. Politicians even more so.
Post it again when a band I care about does it.
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I should have picked out the nickname Demosthenes!Tecumseh.
Anyone that likes bon jon enough to care about priority concern ticket sales is going to buy his albums anyway.
It's a step in the right direction, but doesn't seem like a very big one.
Why not just make the cd cost $5 instead!?
15 years out of date?
If you start adding up CD sales for the 80's and 90's together, Bon Jovi is the #1 rock act. Across all genres, they were only beat out by Garth Brooks.
I could understand 5 years out of date, but the numbers say 15 is a little much.
What Bon Jovi jokes?
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog: Bon Jovi you are filming a new vampire movie, yes?
Bon Jovi: Yes I am...
Triumph: At last a role that requires you to suck...
"It takes many nails to build a crib, but one screw to fill it."
Didn't dave mathews band do this already with Busted Stuff?
Daft Punk did it with Discovery.
Who would copy a Bon Jovi album anyway, seems like a waste of time.
Coming soon to a glam rock warez site near you...
Bon Jovi Serialz and CD Key Creatorz!.
This whole thing sounds like Bad Medicine to me...
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I think they're living on a prayer.
Dark Side of the Moon was a top 40 record for five years running.
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Socrates was asked where he was from. He replied not "Athens," but "The world."
This is just "living on a prayer".
But...I already feel like NOT pirating Bon Jovi music.
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In a startling announcement today, Bon Jovi has announed a new method to try to fight copyright infringement.
"Well, we saw the the best music was what was being coppied the most," Bon Jovi said in a press conference today, "So we decided that if we make our next CD complete crap, nobody will want to illegially copy it."
"But won't you loose money when people realize your CD is horrible?"
"No. We'll just say it's the fault of Kazaa and sue them for millions. We can't loose!"
You are such a fuckin loser. Kill yourself.
How does putting an easy-to-find serial number that a consumer can optionally use to register a purchase fight piracy? Answer, not a damn thing. It doesn't change the fact that you can still rip and distribute the musci anonymously p2p.
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I wonder if we will start seeing something like the hologram certificates that came with windows install CDs, or maybe even the new holographic CDs themselves.
Eventually, one could just buy a site license for a particular artist's music, and receive upgrades for a nominal charge. Of course, if you buy a new CD player (or equivalent), you'll have to re-register.
All kidding aside, this sounds like an interesting idea (whether BJ is first with or not) and I hope similar creative ideas become popular over the more draconian RIAA plans we've been hearing about.
Daft Punk did this last year. Daft Punk - Discovery came with this credit card looking thing with a 16 digit number on it. That number you could use to download exclusive remixes and such.
Sasha's artist album, Airdrawndagger, has a similar thing, where you can use the number to get live sets and so forth.
This is by no means a new concept.
What??!! I never agreed to that!
How about limited-edition official Jon Bon Jovi Hair Clippings included in every CD?
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I respect what Bon Jovi is trying to do here - it really is a refreshing change from accusations of "piracy!", but I'm just not sure how effective it'll be.
this stuff has been done by the French before!
you got a registration card/number if you bought Daft Punk's album Discovery, with which you could sign in on their site, and download a lot of goodies, etc..
bad news, jon-boy, they were first... in 1997!
five years too late to be a first...
This is exactly the stance I've been hoping the whole music industry takes. I'd love to buy a CD and show my support... except they need a new option when you register:
I bought this CD for-
[ ] the music
[ ] the principle
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Four Catholic mothers were having coffee together discussing how important their children are.
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The first one tells her friends, "My son is a priest. When he walks into room, everyone calls him 'Father.'"
The second Catholic woman chirps, "Well, my son is a bishop. Whenever he walks into a room, people say 'Your Grace'."
The third Catholic woman says smugly, "Well, not to put you down, but MY son is a Cardinal. Whenever he walks into a room, people say, 'Your Eminence'."
The fourth Catholic woman sips her coffee in silence. The first three women give her this subtle Well . . . ?
Mrs. B. replies, "My son is Jon Bon Jovi. Whenever he walks into a room, people say, "Oh my God. .
Daft Punk put a credit card sized card inside their CD with a unique number were you could download MP3 singles of remixes and live versions of the song from a special website.
Damn man, Blaze of Glory was an awesome song!
I'm going to go download it of Kazaa right now!
Bon Jovi, like many other bands out there (mainly small bands like Death Cab for Cutie, Built to Spill, bigger bands like ACDC, and DMB ) put out really great music (if you disagree, come to my house at new years and see 100+ people in togas singing "It's my life" ). I Buy their CDs because I like the bands, I pirate other bands becasue I don't like them as much. But I also like free stuff, so this is a win-win situation for me.
shot down in a blaze of glory.
Sorry folks. I'll be here all week.
Evil is the money of root.
Daft punk's discovery cd did this a long while back by including a credit card w/a serial # on it. If you bought the cd you could go to their website, login, and download live videos etc.
Really kool stuff...
I think it said "Daft Club" on it.
Really... he isn't that bad. consider the crap the industry tries to pawn off as music. The boy bands and britney spear(me)s comes to mind immediately, don't bash semi-decent bands when there are so many horrible ones to beat on.
For most people, there are not enough hours in the day, but they're not Burt Ward. "People will come around our house and say, 'I can't believe how much living is going on here!'" he says with a laugh.
That's because the erstwhile Boy Wonder, from the hit 1960s series "Batman," only sleeps three hours daily, from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. "When you're up twice as much as other people, it's like having two lives."
So what does Ward, 56, do with his extra life? He spends his nights working on projects for his visual effects company named, appropriately, Boy Wonder Visual Effects, which he formed in July 2001, after more than a decade of study and frustration at the lack of roles coming his way.
There may not be a lot going on for Ward in front of the camera, but Boy Wonder has worked on more than 20 movies to date (including 2001's "Legally Blonde" and the upcoming action-adventure film "Bulletproof Monk," starring Chow Yun-Fat). "This is a transition to becoming a major player in the visual effects world," Ward says proudly.
Ward and his wife, Tracy, 40 (whom he met in 1989 when her father, the late corporate raider Victor Posner, sent her to take over Ward's educational video company; they married in 1990), also rescue abandoned Great Danes. In 1994, after moving from Los Angeles to rural Riverside County, the couple and their daughter, Melody, now 11, learned about the number of Great Danes in the area that needed homes. "With a Great Dane, if you take it to a shelter, it's too big for the cages and people are scared of a big dog even though they're sweet, and they're put to death," he explains. The family's 4,000-square-foot home and five acres of land became a refuge for the dogs; Ward estimates they have found homes for more than 3,500 in eight years.
Even with his other pursuits, Ward has not given up acting entirely. In November, he will team up with "Batman" costar Adam West in the CBS movie "Back to the Batcave: The True Adventures of Adam West and Burt Ward," in which the former Caped Crusaders will fight crime once more -- but as themselves. "This is a bigger production than anything we did on 'Batman,'" Ward says.
Ward has fond memories of his experience filming the "Batman" series, a period that he chronicled in a 1985 tell-all book, "Boy Wonder: My Life in Tights." "We partied together, we got in messes together," he says of his friendship with West. "It was a lot of fun." What wasn't fun was wearing his Robin outfit. "Those were the python pants -- they nearly squeezed me to death. And the cape strangled me," he says.
Almost 40 years after debuting on "Batman," Ward, who is now a grandfather -- his daughter Lisa, 35, from his first marriage, has two kids, Kevin, 10, and Katy, 8 -- is content with the way his life has unfolded. "I'm very, very happy. I have a wonderful family, I have the most wonderful people I work with," he says. "I'm the kid in the candy store."
what happens to the peopel, who resale the disks later? can the remove there registration?
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AKA Macdonalds monopoly game style collect and win or instant prizes. Backstage passes. Front row seats. Prizes distributed by artist or by company.
Winners of passes are free publicity for the tour and CD buying:
"Bobby Joe from Timbucktoo is going backstage with Megadeath at the concert in Ourtown. The backstage pass was won from a purchase of a CD at Spinners."
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Any medium to small time artists and few unfortunate to have negotiation with large reputation, don't get jack for CDs.
Pirating CDs is good for the band, because you get to like the music and go to their concerts
when and if they visit your stomping grounds.
You go to concert, buy a shirt or two, and band
gets rich from you liking the music that way.
If you buy CDs, unless they are by Michael Jackson and alike, the rich part goes to RIAA
friends, and jack squat to artists.
Daft Punk had something similar with their Discovery album. You got a card in the case with a number, and using that number you could register and receive access to songs and remixes and things that you couldn't really find anywhere else.
It wasn't exactly advanced tickets, but it was something that you could only get with the purchase of the cd. And I wish more artist and record labels would move in this direction instead of worrying about something that is in reality helping their sales.
I was stuck in a car listening to only that this weekend, and I never want to hear the song again.
Of course that might defeat the purpose of the protection. Turning people off Bon Jovi instead of making them buy the CD. :)
Most of us are concerned about our privacy. Yet, this allows the record company to know via this unique serial number that 1) we bought the CD, 2) how much we may have paid for it, 3) the geographical location/store which we bought it from, and 4) whatever demographical data we chose to provide. The record company should be applauded for coming up with this marketing idea but I do not think this is a win for consumer, IMHO.
...for not stealing my music!
Imagin that.
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You sure got a purty mouth...
'Oh, we're halfway there...'
*ducks*
In all seriousness, are there a lot of Bon Jovi fans under 30? I remember when Bon Jovi came out, and I was a kid, and I thought they were dumb. I also thought they were gay because that was funny at that point in time. Life was so easy back then.
Some people rather like good music, versus just what happens to be popular. Bon Jovi can actually play their instruments, versus bang them on the ground like most metal bands (70's era guitar smashing jokes aside), and they certainly produce better music than Brittany "When It Comes to Music I Have Great Boobs" Speares and her wanna-be's.
It's refreshing to hear of a "retail-minded" band that is adding value to their CD in order to combat piracy. I like the idea of "perks" for those people who purchase the CD.
Hopefully, this will do well and maybe the industry will begin looking at alternative ideas, those that benefit the customer, rather than punishing, to combat piracy.
Then again pigs may fly over my house...
Sasha did this will the released of his album, Airdrawndagger. Each CD contains a unique code that lets you access exclusive remixes and such from his site.
Daft Punk put a credit card sized card inside their CD with a unique number were you could download MP3 singles of remixes and live versions of the song from a special website.
So the people who bought the CD could trade those as well?
We Build Beautiful Websites
Too bad Bon Jovi tried this out. Total sales of 0 aren't going to help us know if it worked or not.
So they now want you to submit personal information to marketing teams who provide you extra opportunities to spend your money with them?
Isn't like like registering a piece of software so you can recieve technical support and advanced information on new features and upgrades?
What on earth does this have to do with piracy?
The problem is that the whole retail package of the CD hasn't been maximized as an artform.
A good record is about more than just the music coming from the speakers- it's about the whole experience- nice packaging and artful liner notes make me a lot more inclined to own the real deal.
At the moment, the majority of CD's have the same cheap plastic jewel cases and liner notes that serve little more than a label that tells you what you're buying.
too bad I already downloaded the full record ;-)
Another reason to like him is he married his high school sweetheart and stayed married through the rise and fall and so far for his second trip up the success ladder.
Anyway this seems like the kind of thing a real musician would do for his fans. Certainly not the lawsuit slinging behavior some other hair metal rockstars have shown their fans.
I've hit Karma 50 and gotten a Score:5, Troll... I win!
well, even though I never liked bon jovi, this is an interesting idea.
although after seeing jon bon jovi's interview on leno a while after he was on ally mcbeal - the guy is an absolute moron. self centered over the hill idiot.
so its safe to say that this is *not* jon bon jovi's idea - and I would like to give credit to the person who came up with this plan.
but seeing as how jon bon jovi is (as previously stated) a fool - I wonder what the hidden catches are.
Hey jon bon jovi - you're not a rock star (as you said way too many times in your leno interview) you're a has been that has been sold a novel idea on the release of your(?) new CD.
real musicians actually write all their own stuff - which is rare in the industry these days.
I need the keygen for Bon Jovi 1.0. Reply "me too" if you n33d it too. Many thanks to the CR3W!
why not pass on bon jovi and go for the much cooler 5 piece banjo ensemble ban jovi?
can't find a website for these guys, but here's a place where you can buy their cd
no real affiliation to th band in question - just heard them play once at an underground music festival in taiwan (they are american)
Now I have to cancel my subscription to the RIAA backed online music sites.
Make up your minds already!
Their previous strategy of releasing crappy music has been working pretty well so far, hasn't it?
If you buy the new Counting Crows CD (and you should, because it's quite good) it gives you access to a secret bit of their site with unreleased tracks and whatnot. Makes for an interesting reverse engineering project.
it's not going to stop until you wise up, no it's not going to stop. so just give up.
This isn't the first time a band has done something similar. The Black Crows' album Lions was released with an insert containing a serial number. This number allowed the user to download one or two concerts from their website. Also the latest Dave Matthews band release contained a DVD with some extra content and access to hidden content on their website. I think this a good trend.
you can pay a anual fee for access to teh site that has interview concert tickets, unreleased music. If this concept was implimented like BonJovi has I think it woudl work. The serial number gives you an exclusive access to the site ( it would finally justify the cost of CD's) then fans could get access to exclusive offerengs thus bring the artists and fan closer. Almost makes me wish I thought of it.
As opposed to just buying a cd for... uhm, the music?
Problem: RIAA products overpriced given what you get, people don't want to pay for them.
Sympton: People pirate the music instead.
Solution: Add value to the CD that makes people more willing to buy it.
The RIAA in the past has been trying to cure the symptoms, without attacking the core problem. This is a MAJOR step in the right direction.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
I'm going to go look for those mp3s on kazaa
I believe Bad Religion was actually giving anyone who sent in a proof of purchase of their CD a free ticket to their next concert in the area. For them this was really a great idea, considering a large portion of their following is based on their live shows, since the don't get much airplay.
Concepts like this are the kind of thing that would really make me want to buy a CD. Hell, I barely even like Bad Religion and I wanted to buy their CD jsut because it got me a free ticket to a concert.
Something not mentioned is that this can address the "Used CD" threat. This may of special interest to a band with a lot of "legacy content".
Daft Punk did it before with Discovery as did The Crystal Method with Tweekend.
Both of these are over a year old...why is this just becoming news?
and Plastikman's "Sheet One" album came with a (dud) sheet of acid
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Then there are many more that actually do purchase CDs. I purchase them for the artwork, physical media, and the ability to encode the music at whatever bitrate I need to for each situation.
I think that in general a majority of people who like a group, buy their media.
There will always be file trading, but honestly iI doubt it discrourages fans of the bands from purchasing CDs(which is what the groups are targeting anyway).
When you by the Hip album "In Violet Light" you get membership to The Hip Club. Membership includes things like free bonus tracks of unreleased and live material, exclusive merchandise only available to THC members, first in line ticket access to select shows... Sounds like more new ground being broken by Canadians and credit being given to Americans.
The point is, if you're not going to buy the CD, you're not going to buy the CD. At least this way, people who actually shelled out the money for the CD don't have to jump through hoops to get it to play on the computer or in the car, or wherever they want, plus, as an added bonus, they get some extras from an artists whose music they enjoy anyway.
If someone really enjoys Bon Jovi or and they also enjoy but they are short on budget, then it may come down to getting the one with the extras. Or maybe they'll decide that they'd rather get both and forego a few Happy Meals.
If a CD provides more than just music, then there's more incentive to buy the CD than just Kazaa it.
its nice to see some artists changing with the times. I was considering downloading this CD...but i just may buy it for two reasons 1. it'll prolly be cheap 2. atleast this band is being some what innovative despite the resistance to change in the record maffia.
See Sig! See Sig Zig! Zig Sig Zig!!!!!
I bought there last CD (busted Stuff) because it came with a DVD with a 5.1 video,live performances, and some enhanced stuff. And it was still cheaper that most of the other new releases sitting beside it. I am all for extra's!
Whats your Favorite song or artist? YourFavMusi
Pehaps this could be submitted as an 'ask slashdot' (and promptly rejected), but what could a smaller band do to promote CD's in the face of file sharing? An old band I was in made little refrigerator magnets (by hand with markers!) for anyone who came to a show. What is something that is cheap and scalable, includeable in a cd, yet adds value (assuming the music doesn't suck :) to a CD purchase?
What you you want to see?
because its THC not TCH
stupid hippie
Shot through the heart/ And you're to blame/ Darling, you give buying music/ a good name Had to be done, even though it's not even funny. I was just going to explode if I didn't post that.
A company could get a bundle for selling the customer list from registrations. You'd have some seriously targeted advertising possibilities.
I don't know about that. Very funny, yes, but I think the one where he "interviewed" the starwars fans waiting outside the theater is the best.
ahh i remember when sheet one came out and i started hearing stories of people getting arrested and their cd's getting sent down to the lab while they waited in jail
hahah
Didn't Bon Jovi and Bruce Springsteen just sue a bar for playing there songs on the jukebox and not paying royalties? I know Bruce Springsteen was involved for sure, but I cant remember who the other artist was.Please correct me if I am wrong, but come on, isnt that a little ridiculous?
Whats your Favorite song or artist? YourFavMusi
Bad religion did a similiar thing when they released their New America album back in 2000. Everyone who bought a copy got a free ticket to one of their shows. Great idea.
that their low sales are due to the pirating of their music?
Poor guys....
This isn't too novel. The Tragically Hip's latest CD (thehip.com) "In Violet Light" comes with a credit-card like card (only available with purchase). Allows for discounts, prizes etc.
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Much as I dislike the idea of digital rights management, it seems to me that the entertainment industry has a valid concern about music being available without being paid for. My premise: if I buy a book and allow all my friends to make photocopies of the whole book, that is a clear infringement of the rights of the author and/or publisher. It seems to me that anyone who agrees with the above premise would have to agree that my making a copy of a CD/DVD for my friends would be an infringement. Is there a difference between the ethicality of the two situations? (I don't see one). So, either (a) all the people who are in favor of free music availability reject the above premise or (b) I am missing something here. This has always puzzled me in the debate about making digital content available online. Sorry if this particular example has already been discussed to death.
The Black Crowes provided a serial in their cd "lions". It game exclusive access to streaming live shows & let you burn one full set from a show.
The Crystal Method also had a serial in their "tweekend" cd (though it was only in the limited edition) that gave you special access on their website for extra content / media.
"Jesus saves sinners...and redeems them for valuable coupons"
On the last Black Crowes album, Lions, they did the same thing. It came with a unique number encoded on the CD and you could use it go on their site and download 2 full length live concerts. Of course, the quality was low but its the thought that counts. After getting the two, you can listen to them online in streaming audio. It was a nice touch.
...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
Bon Jovi sucks as far as their capitalistic roots...!
This is total bullshit, as is all forms of control! Yes I am a freesoft geek!!!!! If it's not free, get it off the net and do us all a favor! There are enough suits trying to tell us what to do, think, spend, in our daily lives. And if you don't like this opinion..... just suk!
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
I had read somewhere (trouser press or NY Rocker) that the reason DSoftM lasted so long on the charts is because people who bought the disc kept wearing it out then running out and getting another!
If true then it is amazing.
The latest CD from The Tragically Hip (one of Canada's greatest bands and national music icons, though relatively unknown in the US) has the same concept. In every copy of the latest CD, In Violet Light, there's a membership card to The Hip Club (THC...). From what I've read, it gives you access to the 'Members Only' section of their website. On it, there's apparently live and unreleased demo tracks. I don't have the CD however. I haven't been able to drag myself to a music store. Maybe someone who has it can provide more details?
who is Bon Jovi?
Can't help it I got The BOss cds thats all I need
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They are the ones who tried to shut down used CD stores, and oppose all fair use, such as making digital copies of music you own for personal use on other devices.
I will absolutely guarantee you that registration and its benefits are for the original purchaser only.
It's a perfectly legal purchase, but you won't be able to get @ the extras, becoz someone else has already used the serial number ?
While I'm sure tactics like this are advertised as anti-piracy measures, I'm excited about this as a sales technique. The online community(slashdot especially) has been talking for quite some time about the relative value of copyright when it comes to music recordings. A very common response has been one which suggests that in order to assure sales, a retailer/merchant/distributor/manufacturer needs to give a prospective buyer a good reason to purchase.
The traditional extension to that idea I've come across here is that in most transactions the consumer is paying for a service rendered. For example, a new car was built by a factory and an ordinary consumer cannot make his own. Same goes for computer parts, TVs, and many types of clothes. The consumer has discovered, through the advent of consumer digital media devices(esp computers), that the act of taking an existing digital audio recording and duplicating it is trivial and practically mundane. The artist(who only has to record the album once) does a lot more work than the record company copying it, particularly within the boundries of the insane amount of elbow grease that goes into writing/recording/touring.
You may think Bon Jovi is the lamest crap on earth, but in my opinion this strategy not only sounds like an effective solution but a vote of confidence for consumers. For once a recording institution is admitting that it needs to work to keep it's customers loyal instead of the other way around.
to buy a fleet of spanish Galleons, and combat piracy throughout the Caribean.
When ask why, his Parrot said "SQUAWK!"
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he'd adapt to changing fashion rather than trying to protect an outdated hairstyle!
back on topic... anybody got a keygen for this thing yet?
If this is Heaven I'm bailin out! I cant tolerate this ol tin-tub, so fulla trash and rats...
And I think I can resolve it. Maybe I'll buy the album to encourage others to do the same and then immediately sell it so I don't have to actually listen to it.
-- SIGFPE
Read the article (I thought of submitting this too!)
This isn't JUST to combat piracy, but they are collecting more detailed marketing information, such that in the future it will be easier for sales to hit their target without "wasting" money on promo's that don't work; be they airplay at the wrong time, or video exposure on VH1...
SO let me get thsi straight: I pay money, I sign up online, they get a WHOLE lot of personal data (I wonder if they ask for household income?), and I get a newsletter and maybe the chance to talk to the band and maybe a first crack at buying over-priced concert tickets at an arena where the pre-selected seats are all nose-bleeders?
SIGN ME UP!
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
Same thing that The Tragically Hip did with their last album In Violet Light. Canadians beat you to the punch again....
-- I care not for your foolish signatures.
if you disagree, come to my house at new years and see 100+ people in togas singing "It's my life"
Thanks for the offer, but I'd rather smear my genitalia with fish paste and dangle them in a pool of hungry piranhas.
Have a good night though!
See, all the bands that suck are doing it!
Yeah it's been done before by a few different bands, nothing new, Bon Jovi is just the first to be publicizing it...I guess they are trying to see their name in print without the word "sucks" right after.
Daft Punk [french band] did a similar thing with their "Discovery" album... included was a unique personal access code which would allow you to download remixes and other stuff from their site. ;)
and contrary to bon jovi, the only things which squeal horribly in their music are the 303's
daft punk btw never allowed pictures of themselves to be released, they wore galactica style helmets for interviews. [unlike jon bon, who, as it seems, still tries to push his personality to the masses as a b-movie actor]
-strangeloop
Only with a bit of effort. It used a 'digital wallet' or something of the sort. Some Windows program in order to download them and open them with a special app.
It was nicely done, but they tried to make the player too hip/unusable for my tastes.
... that's all i wrote...
it seems like people aren't buying CD's or Happy Meals at McD's sucky economy all around it seems.
I really hate when people compare the sharing of mp3 files to software piracy. Why? Because the two are totally different.
Music has been broadcast over the airwaves for years and years and then some more years. For most of those years, there has existed the technology to copy those songs onto cassette tapes and other mediums and listen to those songs at a later time; and numerous times.
Growing up, I always recorded my favorite songs off the radio; and I believe, just like recording a TV show, it was perfectly fine for me to do so. In fact, wasn't it Sony, one of the companies that is now whining about music sharing, that sold me the ability to record radio broadcasts? Why, I believe it was!
Since the radio reaches nearly every corner of our country and nearly everone owns the technology to record that music, I don't see a difference between that and sharing an mp3 file with your friends, other than you get to cut out the retarded DJ who always talks over the song like some dimwit fart.
A couple more interesting things to note, in Japan, they have stores that will rent you CDs, for a couple hundred yen, in much the same way American's rent VHS and DVD movies. Those same stores also sell very specialized cassette tapes so you can record the CD instead of having to pay around $30.00 for it. Since the stores are not owned by the record companies, I don't see a difference between this and sharing mp3s with your friends (other than you've cut out the middle man).
Also, you most public libraries will loan you music CDs for free.
On the otherhand, software has NEVER been broadcast over public airwaves or freely distributed in your public library. Nor are there stores that will rent you software and then the media to use to copy it. Nor has the means to copy software ever been commercially provided with the copying of software being its primary marketed function.
I think that the record industry is too damn stupid to provide their customers with a product in the form their customers demand and I think they are using an apples to oranges comparison of software piracy to sharing music to force the governments to pass laws that maintain the status quo of their current, obviously undesirable, business plans.
And all of that is why I hate hearing music sharing compared to software piracy.
I would, because I prefer rock, espesialy good rock, to rap and shit
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Daft Punk did the same thing on thier last CD.
A much more effective anti-piracy feature built in to Bon Jovi's brand new album is that it is such a crap that no one will want to listen to it let alone copy it or download it. It keeps piracy at practically zero level.
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Bon Jovi doesn't appreciate the fact that people would steal his music, so he's pandering to those who would consider it. This is why I think that even if the business model changed, pirated music would be every bit as much a problem as it is today. The RIAA is used as a scapegoat to justify theft, even if it's against the wishes of an artist that so many 'fans' claim to support.
Think about it, they have been one of the best selling bands in the past 15 years. So those who said "I don't feel like buying Bon Jovi" or "I never bought a Bon Jovi" album may be in the minority. How many people drove in their cars and cranked the radio any time Living with a Prayer came on.
I do happen to be one of the few who will admit I do like them and will buy the next album. In fact their music has gotten better with age. I also will most likely see them in concert. So they are not the beatles, nor do they have Alan Parsons engineering them (he did both abbey road and dark side of the moon) but they never claimed to be. They are 4 1/2 (Huey is the 1/2) guys from NJ who put on a great live show (if you have not seen them you are missing something) They may not be Queen live, but they are maybe the best out there now. They tour often, and for as long as people will got see them live.
IMHO they are sticking their necks out, they know after the success of the last album that they could be easily forgotten, and they have started the publicity show in motion (NFL, live shows around the world) There are very few bands who know how to promote like they do (The Stone, Aerosmith and Kiss who I think do it better) But if they don't get people to sign up, or buy the album, other bands that are starting out may have no chance. Also they may become the laughing stock that most people say they are. As record companies are getting pushed by artists for better deals, they are going to be less likely to take chances on smaller bands.
I could ramble on, but I think I have done enough damange to my rep.
Larzgold
In general,
Album sales support the RIAA
Concert Sales support Artists.
Conspiracy Theory: Little do these people know, their serial number is embedded into the audio tracks on the CD. When distributed on the internet these wartermarks can be matched against the contact information used for signing up for the free merchendise. Therefore the person who distributed the audio on the internet will be known.
Well that probably isn't the plan here, but who knows what the future will hole.
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The ironing is delicious.
I believe I must buy this album simply because of this situation.
This is the "better than free" concept in action.
Good job!
I'm sure we'll see more of this. It will be the artists who will adapt to new business models, not the fat cats. The cigar-chomping execs are too enamoured of the status quo to want to evolve. So it will be the musicians pushing the envelope. Jon Bon Jovi, unlike some other musicians (*cough*Metallica*cough*) actually gets it. Bravo, Jon!
'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
just Kazaa it.
Yeah, like Kazaa is a comprehensive, high-availability, high-speed catalog with every song anyone wants at their fingertips.
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth...
The last original CD that Toad The Wet Sprocket released (Coil) had a very good reason to actually buy it. If you bought the CD you got a ticket for a free show they were doing in your city. Buy 2 CD's get 2 tickets. Offer lasted until tickets were gone. Toad called it the Fan Appreciation Tour. 3-4 months later they went and did their usual tour in support of the CD.
BJ (or his marketing folks) have a good idea that I believe we'll soon see implimented on a wider scale. Artists who are close to their fan base get a lot more honest input than ones that are further removed. This input tells them their CD prices are too high, so they attempt to offer stuff along w/the CD to make it more worthwhile to buy.
I think this is a great idea and a legitimate response to the idea that artists should get paid for their work by the people who consume that work. If only a band that people who regularly leech music take it from would do such a thing then we could really determine just how good a plan this is.
As it is, I personally would pay good money NOT to get unreleased Bon Jovi tunes. With the released stuff as bad as it is, how much ass must the unreleased tracks suck.
E
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--Doug Copland
Daft Punk already did it.
All kinds of cool remixes and blends of their songs, almost enough for another CD. Needless to say, that's the kind of value I appreciate. But again that's something that makes Daft Punk cool, and says nothing positive about the RIAA. Some bands like to give back.
As far as Bon Jovi goes, Young Guns is fine as a diversion maybe once a year, other than that they should have left their butt rock back in 1988. Christ first Bon Jovi, then Axel Rose and four dudes who call themselves Guns and Roses, I await the return of Winger with baited breath...no that's rising bile.
--Jimmy has fancy plans; and pants to match.
Another 80s band did something similar on their latest release, X. There is some encryption key available on the CD that software reads, opening up some new content on the web site (making of videos, some other stuff). By the way it's a good album (imho).
At the beginning of the decade, they were asking some amount for lifetime membership in their fanclub. I don't remember the amount, but it was between $15 and $35. Got you a bunch of stickers, a newsletter, etc.
By the end of the decade, they were asking around $35 a year for a glossy magazine-style newsletter, preferential ticket sales, and backstage potential. (They were also selling 1/10th the albums.)
Doing it this way makes a lot of sense to me. Instead of charging extra to join the fanclub, put those unique codes on everything, and let folks punch in codes for everything they buy. Bought the CD? Yeah, we can hook you up with good seats at a good price. Bought the last five CD's, plus posters, videos and t-shirts? Front row center, baby!
Reward the folks who are dedicated to you, and all that stuff.
This is not combatting piracy.
This is not value-added.
You are not getting free concert tickets, you are getting priority in buying them.
So if you're a fan of a band's older music & want to see them in concert first or if you just want to go to a concert with your friends, you *have* to buy the new CD first, because everyone else did and that's the only way you can get tickets.
This also means the biggest pop bands can sell their CD's for $20 U.S. and teenies will still buy them so they can go to the concert.
This is really a much better solution than the stoopid copy protected CD's that only work on Windows PC's. Whats funny about this solution is that not only do the buyers get perks, the marketing data on this could be potentially huge for the record comapnies. They could probably find a way to determine how many times you listen to the songs in your PC, trade MP3's, go to shows, etc.,etc.. But the nice part is that YOU don't have to register.
Won't the unreleased stuff get pirated too? Thanks bon jovi!
As per The Stones. They know where the real money is.
rap > bon jovi
PoopOnBonJovi
Yeah, ok. I guess what I was lashing out against was that I imagined that all bands would have to make big multimedia productions instead of just doing what do, play music.
But I see your point, I'd also rather have record companys get of honest buyers back than all these cripplewares they've been trying.
I just don't hope it becomes a requirement for an artis to start doing more than just the music.
On weezers new album Maladroit there's some extra contents in form of video clips. I just wish it didn't have that stupid fullscreen menu on autorun.
With the first sample, I had to cover my ears, and now I've got my David Bellugi early rennaisance CD on to clear out my eardrums. I'm truly sorry, but someone that actually likes this stuff will have to take up the slack.
There's nothing extra being offered here.
"Unique serial numbers" come with every AOL disk, but that doesn't make them any more valuable. It's a tracking tool for AOL that's also designed to make the mindless masses think they're getting into some secret club.
Bon Jovi says that registering will give you "the chance" to buy concert tickets before they go on sale to the public. But guess what? If you and 3 million other fans who bought the album have all registered, you're competing with each other for tickets. I'd say that makes that ticket sale pretty public. This is simply an effort to disenfranchise people who don't buy the latest album AND divulge whatever information the record company wants. Suddenly you're paying more (not just the price of the album, but with your personal info too) to see concerts, and you think you're getting more.
"Unreleased music" means music that wasn't good enough to make it onto the album. If the record company thought they were good enough to sell, it would have included them on the album instead of the other crap (most albums have 1-3 good songs at most, and the rest is just crap -- this unreleased music is the stuff that was worse than the crap).
Bon Jovi also promises access to exclusive areas of BonJovi.com. What a load of crap. Anything of value that shows up in this "exclusive area" is going to end up on Gnutella or Geocities within hours.
Step away from the Kool-Ade, people.
You eat your clothes?
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
Oh suuuure.. now ya tell me. When I bought their Discovery cd, the website listed on the card said it was only going to be Windows compatible, so I pitched the card as I'm running MacOS X.
Bastards!
Actually, according to the RIAA's database, their albums are still generating multi-platinum sales.
I'm currently an MBA student < author ducks to avoid thrown items >, and this is actually an old idea. Lots of articles have been thrown around, and in academic circles this method has long been regarded as the only possible solution. Why? Because hackers tend to be smarter than the average bear, and can get around most encryption.
I'm no fan of John Bon, but good for him. And Metallica sucks.
Recorded music has, since its invention, been a tool for increasing the take at live shows. Live shows are the money makers. The RIAA tries to spin this fact away, but very few bands/artists are making money on the album sales because very few try to (it's be nice but) the show is the money maker.
So do we have a new tool to pack bodies into shows? Increase value in the album purchase, increase albums purchased and excite people in going to the show probably equals more people at the shows. Is a floundering band using morals of the moment to hide a cash machine? May we call a duck a duck? There isn't anything wrong with it - even eighties rockers have to eat (I guess).
This has become perverted in recent years (see also 'commodification'), but I sleep better at night holding out hope that "American Idol" will be the wake up call we need.
They have a secret site that will only (easily) launch from the link provided from within a Flash file on the CD.
You can download high-quality 192kbps MP3's from the Secret Site.
Iron Maiden members and their producer all agree that artists need to get paid for their music - but - also agree that mp3's and the net can be a great thing. Bruce Dickinson (lead singer) was recently told by a fan that the fan made a bunch of CDs of one of the tracks of their newest album and gave them away to friends to promote them and what did he think about that - was it a good idea?
The convo:
Bruce, How important do you think word of mouth is today to help out band. With the internet today it seems much easier to communicate with people. I also tried to do my part and print up 500 fliers and copied the song wicker man on 50 cds and handed them out to help out your new record here in tennessee. Do you think if more fans did this sort of thing it would help?
Tj Fowler
Tennessee
Bruce answered: "Good God yes - you deserve a medal."
I know it was what got me to listen to them... (Not TJ, but tapes of their music given to me... "Run to the Hills" made me fall in love with their music - I was in Jamaica at the time... looked everywhere to find it, and eventually found Somewhere in Time (different album) snatched it up and knew I found my newest favorite band of all time... and between their no compromising attitude towards their music and their directness and honesty with their fans, they still are).
An RIAA supported/supporting band woulda had the poor guy in chains. Good thing Maiden fans know what Maiden is all about.
The point of this next section is (my love of Maiden aside) to dipsute any claim the record companies have about how such things affect sales... since Maiden has numbers they could only dream their "Create a Band of the Month" crap had... all without label support. When last have you heard Maiden get air time? Or seen ads for them? Or seen their albums on the New Releases wall? Even with a DVD, 1 new album and 2 new compilations this past two years...
200 gold and platinum records, 14 of 17 albums in the top 10. All in the top 20. Most in the top 5. Sellout tours worldwide - including 250,000 at Rock in Rio III and the entire Year 2000/2001 concert series. Madison Square Garden NY in record time.
Apparently if album sales are so amazing, and they still (23 years after forming) sell out not some or most, but all of their concerts, then maybe the record companies should listen to their approach.
Among things other than their standing on mp3's, CD copies, etc, they also have a big common premise behind their music...
You dont have to like Maiden - even a little - to respect it: Be who they are, "F*K everyone who wants them to be something else". They stay true to who they are - which earns them no support from the record labels who want some nice pliable band to promote (Metallica anyone?) - but then again, which one sells out every concert and still gets top 10 album sales? Oh... wait... not Metallica anymore...
It's time the record companies go many steps... not just the one Bon Jovi and Aerosmith took with this new initiative... but also let artists to THEIR job the way THEY know how. It's the best way to weed out the crap, and have megasellers like Iron Maiden who WITHOUT label support STILL crush the BackDoor Boys and N'Syuck.
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the tragically hip did something like this with their latest album, "in violet light." they threw in a membership card ot the hip club ("THC" - cute) which had a number you could use to unlock their club website, where you could get stuff like inside news, concert tickets, club members-only stuff (like being in their next video), and a couple of mp3s. and you know what? it worked. IVL is one of the 4 CDs i've bought (not counting gifts for other people) in the past 2 years.
of course, the other side of the coin is this: i probably would have bought it anyway, because the hip is one of my favorite bands. and of course, i burned the CD (including the extra tracks) for a friend of mine because she wanted it.
Daft Punk did something similiar almost 1.5 years ago with their album 'Discovery'. People who bought the album got a little credit-card like access card that had a id on it that allowed the buyer access to a special music program that allowed them to download remixes and other content from their website. Originally the tracks were encrypted or something, so you could only play them in their music player, but around March they converted everything to mp3 and ditched the player in favor of using php as an authentication method for their website. I thought this was a great idea, since people who bought the albums got a little bit extra in return.
Insert Sig Here
Korn did the same thing with their latest release, "The Untouchables." That was back in June. Upon buying the CD you received a special code to enter in the website for a free subscription to their special members service--i.e. first access to concert tickets, exclusive video and interviews, etc. It was actually a nice "incentive," not some thrown-together cheap offer.
The tickets are good and all, but the "unreleased music"...
Won't that just be pirated?
Anyway, good to see them get the ball rolling on something other than hiring more lawyers.
Actually, they changed the system... They chucked the InterTrust Wallet thingy, made a real site with php and you use your card to get in there and download the music in mp3 rather than the InterTrust proprietary format they had going for a while.
Insert Sig Here
Rather than waiting to see how the plan works out for Bon Jovi, why not ask Daft Punk? They did it on their "Discovery" album in 2001. The CD came with a credit card (16 digits, expiry date, etc.) that is used to access the www.daftcard.com site.
The perks _could_ have been nice, but they had to go and fuck them up. I want normal perks, give me cool wallpapers. normal mp3s. I'll still buy the cd, even if someone who bought the cd, begins to share the "exclusive" stuff. I'd rather pirate forever, then to feel bound to some app. and the whole security was just offending, "hey, I bought your stuff, dont treat me like shit"....
grrr...
Pentium IDs were bad, but CD IDs are good? Come on.
When I buy a book or a magazine or whatever I don't want it to point to me for its existence. I sell my CD and some dude pirates it and they track it back to me? Hey maybe the Windows CD player can send this ID to RIAA every time I play it and then they can send "targetted" junk mail/email to me.
Consumers shouldn't put up with this privacy invasion just so the wealthy recording cartel can squeeze a few extra bucks out of people. They can get stuffed.
-Kevin
It shuts up all the MS geeks at my school who depend on piracy. They simply leave me alone, thus, leaving people who have a life to talk to me.
Seriously, a plan to strip the anonymity from the people who "rip and share" this stuff may be the best deterrent to copyright violators that the RIAA can accomplish. Think about it, when was the last time you saw members of PWA put their real names, addresses, phone numbers, etc., in something they warezed?
!#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
they're halfway there...
She sat at the window watching the evening invade the avenue.
Finally, somebody in the entertainment industry is attempting to adapt to the changing market rather than rushing to protect an outdated business model.
Isn't DRM adapting to the changing market rather than rushing to protect an outdated business model?
The only way it would combat piracy is if the serial number is somehow tied into the CD so that when you burned it to MP3 or OGG the serial number could be identified and traced back to you. I don't see a way of them doing this (well, they could embed something in certain frequencies, but that isn't what this article indicates).
The best way to convince people to buy more CD's is to drop the price. A single CD costs as much as a phone line or a couple weeks worth of bus tickets or half of a cable ISP bill. Not to mention, your average kid has to work about 6 hours at a minimum wage job (or more) just to afford a CD (after taxes).
Ok, here is an interesting experiment that should tell you once and for all way the major labels are losing revenue. Go to a place that sells CDs, not a music store (they may carry minor and local labels, which could skew results). Try Target or Walmart (you would be amazed how much mainstream music Walmart sells). Check out the end-cap where they display the top sellers. See anything appealing? Those are the discounted ones, so you can find a $12 - $15 "bargain". Come on, those are the TOP SELLING CDs. Can't you see ANYTHING you like. Ok, fine. Look around down the isle. Now you should find something good. Ok, now you are checking out the $18 stuff. There are a lot of CDs there, just fund the genre you're most interested in. Keep looking, there must be SOMETHING... They've got Rock, and Pop, and Hip-Hop, Country and Gospel (well, Walmart may call it "religious"). Keep looking! No, I don't think there is a "classical" anymore, but look, there is an "Alternative" section! ... Now that was stupid! You aren't supposed to ask the Walmart clerk what it's supposed to be an alternative *TO* !!!
Ok, I know there is a lot of crap here. Just keep looking. There are plenty of choices (!) here... there must be something. Look! Right There! The new Dave Matthews band. Oh, you already have that.
Well, look, over there -> There's that old Led Zeppelin album you used to play the crap out of. I know you do, but you should have it on CD now. Oh, already have it on CD, too... Ok, well there must be something here. Um, gosh.
Look, you're just a BAD example, that's all. You just have the WRONG TASTE. You're skewing the results.
It's PIRACY! I'm telling you... that's it! People WANT this stuff, they just STEAL it! That's why we can't sell it! The selection is FINE! The selection is EXCELLENT!!! **PIRACY** is killing us!! It's PIRACY! I'm telling you !!! ARRGGGHHHH!!!!
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
Daft punk did this with last years release of 'Discovery'. Each cd had a faux credit card with a number that allowed access to daftclub.com where b-sides, remixes and other things were offered.
So lets give credit where its due.
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If I can't copy MY purchased CD into my iPod, I'll live with the old ones I already own. New artists generally suck, and the RIAA sucks more. It's probably not going to overcome all these years of current fair use practices. As for Bon Jovi, OK band for those teenage years when you're brains are on hormone overload.
Live concerts would be cool if I didn't receive hearing damage after 2 minutes. I can't say for sure if Bon Jovi is considerate of their listener's ears, but some how I doubt it.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
They've taken the most effective of all anti-piracy measuers...
SUCKING.
to our changing reality is not what Bon Jovi is doing. If you would like a good example of what is possible, you should rely on creative individuals like Einstürzende Neubauten. They are really thinking about ways to connect their music and creative processes with the people that are most interested. Their site has an excellent audio message by Blixa Bargeld about their plans.
This is my obligatory 'added incentive' post which I have been making to many related stories...This is the only way the dinosaur music industry will be able to compete with file sharing: ADDED INCENTIVE! If they can't offer the convenience which filesharing provides (even for a reasonable fee) then they'll have to give people some incentive to buy CD's. (lower price, added bonuses, MORE VALUE!)
it won't be hard to guess the serial numbers, though.... either 1 or 2, depending on the sales
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The result: my brother and sister and I bought four copies for the three of us and a friend we would take to the concert. Ticket prices were usually well above the $12.99 promo price for the CD. Even though I had access to a burner and blank CDs cheaply, it simply didn't make sense NOT to buy the CDs with the ticket incentive. The multimedia was nice, too.
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Retail CDs will be distributed with a unique serial number with which the purchaser can register in order to receive such exclusives as prioritized concert ticket purchases and unreleased music.
Wow, if that stops piracy then why not release the whole thing that way, not just the unreleased music!
Mmmmm...Is piracy really a problem for Bon Jovi?
I would, because I prefer Cock, espesialy good Cock, to rap and shit
The Tragically Hip started their "Hip Club" back in June. Buy the CD, get a membership card that contains a PIN number, and get access to the Hip Club.
More info Here.
The Goo Goo Dolls last CD did a similar thing. You needed to buy the CD to access the "Member's Only" section of the website. Once there, you got special videos and song downloads, and the passwords to preorder tickets from Ticketbastard for their concert.
I admit, I bought the CD when I did to preorder tickets (great seats), but I would have bought it eventually.
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The Hip (possible the world's most underrated band) did this on their recent CD. You actually got a kewl credit card with your hip number on it (great... ANOTHER credit card).
It's great to see bands are adapting. Too bad RIAA lacks the strategic initiative to benefit from change.
Mike Oas
Reminds me of a bit in an episode of Mystery Science Theatre 3000:
(Joel is standing by huge array of keyboards, Crow enters, holding sandwich)
Joel: Oh, hiya, Crow...
Crow: Oh hi, whatcha doing?
Joel: Oh, we were just inspired by the cool New Age music of this movie, so we decided to use the Wall O' Keyboards to make our own great new New Age music, you wanna help?
Crow: Sure, uh, what can I do?
Joel: Well, I could teach you how to play the keyboards
Crow: Will it take long?
Joel: No, of course not, come on over here. Here, check this out, okay, put your hand over here.
Crow: Okay.
Joel: Put your finger down, see?
Crow: Like that? (puts finger on a random key, a single note is heard) Oh!
Joel: Yeah, you're playing a New Age chord now, okay? Just like Yanni. Alright now, put another finger down.
Crow: Okay. (presses another random key, a second note plays with first one, and persists throughout the rest of the scene)
Joel: See, now you're playing a Yanni lick, now hold it down for an hour...
Crow: Yeah?
Joel: Now hold it down...until you get a record contract from Windham Hill!
Crow: OH, hey cool! Servo, check it out, it's my new New Age Yanni lick! Uh, Joel, hold down my new New Age Yanni lick, I gotta put my sandwich down.
Joel: Okay, got it. (holds it)
Crow: This music's kind of dull, isn't it?
Joel: Yeah, but it's a good way to make a lot of money without a big initial investment. (lights dim, 'music' swells, Cambot zooms in on Tom Servo)
Tom: (clears throat loudly) Okay... (in laid back DJ voice) And now, 'Music From Some Guys In Space.' Tonight on 'Music From Some Guys In Space,' more fine new New Age music and sounds from super-progressive Bay Area New Age keyboardist, Joel Robinson. Joel will be accompanied on the Wall O' Keyboards by veteran minimalist Crow T. Robot. We invite you to sit back and enjoy more repetitive New Age music, as we cruise the spaceways. Come along, fellow travelers, and enjoy 'Music...From...Some Guys...In Space.
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But wait, I thought Britney already proved that. I guess this is just confirmation.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Daft Punk tried this approach with the last album they produced - "Discovery". It came with a credit card and you entered that on the web and got extra bits such as remixes, unrealeased songs and a specific Daft branded media player.
I've been to well over 500 concerts in my years and I always carry earplugs.
A decent set that reduces the noise but doesn't totally kill quality can be had for under $5 a pair. It's so worth the effort as almost all decent bands are even better live.
Just a suggestion.
I would imagine that they aren't the first arist to do this, but if you pre-purchase the cd at amazon, you get access to it via a streaming feed. Unfortunately I think you need MS Media Player.
What's interesting, though, is that you get access to the entire album several weeks before its released, which is another cool way of promoting the purchase of the CD, especially for fans who would buy it when it was release anyway. And yes, I am a Bon Jovi fan, and yes, I already made my purchase.
As far as stopping piracy is concerned, Bon Jovi's performance in Times Square during that first football game pretty much ensured that I wouldn't be pirating this album ... the song is terrible.
"First you gotta do the truffle shuffle."
I like the fact that the CD industry is finally adding something more to their product. With the advent of DivX; you would think that people would slow down their DVD purchasing, but people now buy the DVD's for the extras. People like extas, and although this is a meager extra; it's an extra none the less.
This might have been mentioned before, but I thought I'd throw in my opinion.
The RIAA, despite how the Slashdot community portrays it, is really there to support record industries and [perhaps] their artists. Now, we can get off on as many capitalistic rants as we want (I share some anti-capitalism views), but the fact is, we live in a capitalist society (which DOES give us a lot of freedom) and companies need and want to make more money. The RIAA is simply trying to give recording artists and [more specifically] record labels their money back.
We might say 'whats the difference between x billion dollars and x-2 billion dollars' but this can account for jobs lost, lower salaries, whatnot. By downloading pirated music, (I'm not saying this is necessarily evil) you dont 'get back' at the CEOs of the recording industry, you 'get back' at the lower-paid workers by cutting their salaries and causing them to lose their jobs.
Now despite all that, I think this is definitely a step in the right direction. No matter what, people are going to pirate music the way it is now, and if the record industry can use this fact to give 'free samples' out to everyone and then offer an incentive to buy the CD itself (such as what Bon Jovi is offering here) then everyone from the CEOs to the lower-paid workers to the consumer benefits.
Instead of hating the RIAA, we should do our best to support initiatives like this one and change the recording industry (and everything about it) for the better.
Logic is the ultimate device.
I don't really listen to Bon Jovi and my last Bon Jovi album was New Jersey when I was in High School. I have never watched Bon Jovi in my entire life and probably never will.
BUT if I get priority stuff for buying their CD, then that would be an incentive not only to the fans but to prospective fans as well or those looking for a bit of 80s nostalgia (although some new Bon Jovi stuff on radio is good).
This method is a step forward towards acceptance instead of rebellion.
Alea jacta est!
FYI, not sure when, but they changed it completely. Now you just put in your code and download any of several mp3s you want, no program, no nothing. Why don't you check it out?
Quoth the zombie, braaaaaaaains
Dave Matthews also tried a similar approach on his new (semi) CD, Busted Stuff. Along with the actual CD release (which contained 90% leaked songs, another story entirely) a DVD with concert footage and special features, was included along with a sticker. It made a great incentive to actually buy the CD. However, I was disappointed at the quality of the DVD music video, its quality was way off.
Radiohead is utter dross compared to Pink Floyds mediocre work (Animals, Final Cut, perhaps), let alone a classic like DSOTM. I wouldn't even say I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan.
Face it. Pop/Rock music (in all its' incarnations) peaked in 1976, plateaued through the early eighties and has gone downhill ever since.
Radiohead, Oasis, Puff Daddy, Limp Bizcut, Linkin Park, et all are right up there with, well, Bon Jovi.
I'd be willing to bet record companys won't go to far lengths to make their cd-keys hard to figure out. It takes one key-maker and you have people into the service who didn't pay, and people who did pay who can't get in. Just sounds like more trouble then it's worth to me.
I agree on Mobile Fidelity, but I bought it for another reason, a pristine original. Both of mine are before CD's (12 inch) and have only been played twice to enjoy while putting them on tape for the car. (one of them is Dark Side of the Moon which is an awsome pressing) I put it on the best tape avaliable at the time and have worn out one copy. The other still gets played from time to time. At this rate the original will have seen a needle in the groove about 6 times by the time I retire. Much of my music gets the same treatment. It's an investment. The industry has no intrest in replacing just the worn out media for the performance instead of selling you a new lisence for the same content. Until that changes, I will continue to protect my investment. I learned early on (8 tracks and pre-recorded tapes, & LP's) that the media does not last forever. I am now in the process of transferring the remainder of my pre-recorded cassettes (lots of lost pads to replace) to CD to preserve whats left. I would love to trade in my tape collection for CD's for just the cost of the media. That does not appear to be an option however, so I have to do it myself.
The truth shall set you free!
Thanks, I've used earplugs with limited success. It kind of seems backwards to go to a place for musical enjoyment, and have to plug my ears so I can enjoy it.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Ok, they sell alot of records, that dosen't mean they're any good or anything... N*SYNC sells records, but do you think they are good? *I'm just waiting on people to start complaining about the number of times each day someone downloads a Slayer or Messuggah song...*
Go buy a Zakk Wylde album, or an old Slayer album, and then tell me who can play their instruments. Sambora hasn't has a fresh lick in a decade... Zakk Wylde's been playing just as long, and can still solo better than the majority of people on earth.
--Forest C. Adcock--
On the otherhand, software has NEVER been broadcast over public airwaves or freely distributed in your public library. Nor are there stores that will rent you software and then the media to use to copy it. Nor has the means to copy software ever been commercially provided with the copying of software being its primary marketed function.
outstanding idea. why isn't there free software (ie: debian, slackware, or [insert your favorite distro here]) available from libraries?
This would be a great way to introduce adventurous people to free software et al. Also, it would give FS a larger presence in the education field.
get out and visit your local library today...
//radiotakeover.
it's just VBR MP3s now.
no special players.
is this going to be the future of warez? i think i'll start working on my bon jovi serial generator now.
-gerbik
Bitch all you want about CD piracy, I want the "artists" to actually have a CD full of good songs. Most CD's only have two or three good songs on them and the rest is o.k. at best. I feel like we get ripped off because we pay $12-$18 for a few good songs. So maybe a good model would be to produce some quality material first.
This SIG pulled due to lack of funding. (This damn war is costing too much!)
I think the record companies are too cheap to go the the expense of remastering for single copy pressings. So far the CD's are mass pressed and the number is on a seprate card just like the early Windows CD keys. (any valid key for the disks.)
Office 97 is the first one I know of that does protect an install using the CD serial number. I found this when a 52X CD tossed a disk and trashed it. Later when upgrading the hardware, I tried to uninstall office to legaly transfer it from one machine to another. The office worker upgraded and passed along the old hardware & OS. I thought it pretty stupid to require the original CD to uninstall a program. Even though there were many CD's in the office of the same software (legal original copies) none of the other copies would uninstall Office 97 because it wanted the copy of the CD with the original serial number. Now there is an illegal copy simply because it will not uninstall, because the scratched CD is in a drawer for proof of ownership of the install on the new machine. The transfer was done using another copy that is installed on another machine. So the transfer was done usning the wrong copy of media (the correct CD key however) and the uninstallable copy. We tried to uninstall it. We should ask the BSA how to uninstall the extra instalation. Maybe they can tell us how (without formatting the drive and having to reinstall everything else) and replace the damaged media for us. The anti piracy feature is preventing an uninstall of a legal copy to transfer it.
Due to this experiance fighting locks with a broken key (scratched install CD) on products, we are looking at more user friendly office software. This was a consideration in not upgrading the software by the same vendor.
I personally never install anything from orignal CD's to prevent losses. I install from a working copy and keep the originals locked up.
The truth shall set you free!
This was actually an incentive for me to purchase the Discovery album, as I had been waiting for a decent reason to pay $30 for a CD (They are quite expensive in .au).
Open the case, low and behold there was no access card for the website. Tried to return the CD, but as it had been opened, I was kindly refused. I felt cheated, although the album was good to listen to. BTW I purchased the album from HMV - a large international music retailer.
I haven't worked up enough patience to purchase new CDs since - sticking to second hand is good enough.
With all my CDs I rip them and add to my collection. For me, the physical disk and case are not heavily connected to the music, and I feel that providing a more personal way of connecting with the artist (ie: new content on the web) can provide much more lasting value to a listener.
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No, seriously... Besides going cold turkey internet, subscriber base and everything that goes with a downloading service, what Bon Jovi is doing is THE ONLY way to lure fans back from the brink of piracy. it's all about added value and so far, the labels have been doing nothing but subtractive value marketing. MP3 added value because I could at very least burn my own CDs, let alone ~ahem~ sample them before I buy. You can damn near do anything to MP3. There is so much added value in the digital format it's pathetic and the best the Labels can think of is encryption and new media formats? Not to stroke myself, but me and others have been saying this for years now-- The only way to combat this if you aren't going to move away from CDs is pack in shit with the CDs. Autographed guitar pics, tickets (their method is probably easier) and other stuff you simply can't get online. hell, I might just buy the CD as a show of support. This is actually one submission I totally agree with... Somebody is finally doing something right here, so support the bad man (it's like that 'going to a crappy video game movie' thing to 'support the cause').
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Every CD is stamped from the same master copy. There is nothing unique about any CD stamped from the same master, they are all identical.
When the long day is over and it's all said and done, Aunt Betty tucked in her bed while your singing yourself a lullaby in the closet, maybe, just maybe you might admit to yourself somewhere around 70%-80% of the people who use MP3 probably engage in the defined act of piracy; Downloading media they don't own with no intention of paying for some, if not all of it. You may not do it, or even like it, but the fact is that Mp3 is starting to becoming a synonomis with pirate as hacker is to some teenage idiot looking to crack a system because curosity killed the chicken before it counted all it's eggs that crossed the road and curiosity is my only crime. Yah. Yes, I honestly believe those percentages because I believe people are that weak, lazy and hypocritical (myself included).
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And don't come crying to us when you stumble upon a key that has already been used, the computer notes it, your phone/IP tagged and a SWAT team/RIAA Shock trooper combo squad busts down your door and subjects you to a very harsh scolding.
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Apparently a number of people do. Including me.
And since we're going with the song quotes today...
Blame it on the love of Rock & Roll!
many bands such as The Offspring and Jimmy Eat World have offered exclusives based on buying the cd many times before, it's a good motivator if you are a fan of the band and are into getting extras.
Lots of bands understand how widespread mp3s are and embrass it...for example i know of several major bands that wanted to release there entire album via website but there label wouldn't let them casue it would kill sales.
I guess for the artists, it just boils down to how greedy you are, and the irony is that it's bands that act less greedy that I have less of a problem going out and buying the cd just to show my support.
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Never heard of her.
Isn't that Bridget Fonda?
WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
For $100/year, you get stuff from Prince. Last year it was MP3 and QuickTime downloads, including his latest CD. This year it's physical CD shipments and first dibs on concert tickets.
You pay the artist (or The Artist), the money doesn't go through the RIAA's accounting filters, so once the bandwidth and purple guitar bills are paid, it's money in Prince's pocket (unless he's wearing those pants without a backside: no pockets).
Actually, going back a ways, Sarah MacLachlan put a link to a special part of her website on her 1997 album Surfacing. Of course, if you copy both the data and audio parts, you'd still get it, but that's harder to do, and you'd not likely find the data part on the Internet file sharing services.
Of course, the data part of the album recommends Windows 95 or MacOS 7.6. Might not be too usable nowadays, and that part of her website may be long gone.
"Common Sense Ain't" -Unknown
....to reducing piracy. Something that might actually have a snowball's chance in hell to work. Try lowering the damned price to a level thats fair - like $6.99. $8.99 for the artists that actually write their own songs, too. Maybe then I might buy an album.
It also can't hurt to get some artists that actually have talent besides swearing every other word, remix and copy sounds from other songs, or run that tired, lame retro pseudo 70's shit.
It's high time that someone should make a new sound and take music in a new direction instead of the utter lack of direction it has now. God knows that it's been IMHO 5 years since anyone actually tried something.
It's about getting people to buy the damn album - pure and simple sales. If that means less people pirate it, all the better.
Working in a promotional company has exposed me to a fair bit of how marketing and sales operate, and "new and innovative" is what every client always wants, no matter how much or how little they're willing to pay for the resulting premiums (ie. toys) or services.
Most of you would be physically sick if you saw some of the promotions that are being planned in the name of kids (and their parents) maintaining the market share of certain fast food and cereal companies. Sony Ericsson phones and POX were advertised in unique and innocuous ways that increased their "cool" factor.
These promotions are ways to add perceived value to a product, which are a big part of increasing sales. We all complain about the price of CDs, whether we choose to buy them or not. Don't you think it's about time we started to at least feel like we got more value out of them?
People who solely download music are being conceited if they think approaches like this have been generated in direct retaliation to piracy. It may be one of many reasons to carry out a promotion like this, but gathering valuable market research data and generating sales full stop are far more lucrative reasons to do it.
(Regarding market research: a large company will probably keep your under lock and key for themselves so they know how to target future promotions. A company that provides free services is far more likely to sell information about you to others without asking you.)
All that said, the first value-added CD I ever bought was a Pitch Shifter album. Not only did it have two small multimedia clips on it, the last two tracks of the album were made up of royalty-free samples they'd created of the album itself. They were full stereo, neatly separated, there to be ripped and used however the buyer pleased. The only "condition" of their use was that you sent the band what you'd done with it later. I think I bought it in about 1995...
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I thought simply "Being Bon Jovi" would have been sufficient deterrent against piracy?
As someone mentioned, Dave Matthews Band already did this with "Busted Stuff," and even included a bonus DVD with live footage, for a very low price ($9.99 on sale!) The problem is that to register on their website for the exclusive content, you are forced to join RCA's (their label's) mailing list. Close but no thanks.
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try."
Daft Punk did this almost 2 years ago and I have seen others do the same.
I buy an albumn because it has good tracks on it.
I do not buy an albumn because i give 2 tosses about the "artiste". I can safely say that the only people i own more than one albumn of is the Wu-Tang clan and De La Soul.
I refuse to pay $5-7 for other copies of CD's. I copy my CD onto my mini-disc player and delete out the crap tracks i don't want to hear.
I also refuse to be forced to pay extra for a bog standard CD just so i can get some crappy e-mail sent to me. I'd be getting about 300 e-mails a month from all the different "artistes".
"special commerative t-shirt" That alone makes me want to vomit.
Also, think about how valuable the database would be. Even suggesting that makes me want to hit you. Not only am i supposed to pay extra for stuff they also get to track me too?
man.. the Gorge is THE place to be :)
... when the sun starts to set behind the canyon and the marshells start to hum all the hours in the greyhound seem worth it :P
I bummed rides/bused halfway across the country to get there for a few concerts
'..that kernel panicked like a nun in a crack house!'
And of course Led Zeppelin's In Through The Out Door LP had a "magic paint" inner sleeve... For the generation that don't know what I mean, one of those where you paint with water and the colours magically appear. Apparently unpainted versions are worth a lot more than painted ones. Damn my little brother and his wanton paintbrush...
But the serious point here (if there is one) is that buying that LP was more than just the music. It was the pictures, the sleeve, the lyrics... the whole "I am a LZ fan" thing. Having the mp3s to hand is only a way of listening to the music and doesn't replace that experience.
The primary method they're using to deter piracy is putting bad music made by a washed up 80s band on the CD.
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When Daft Punk released Discovery a couple of years ago every copy had a card with a unique serial number on it. You can still go to the Daft Club website and download exclusive tracks etc. using your serial number :)
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The Offspring already did this on their latest album (Conspiracy of One).
Noting new to see here.. Move along.
Who likes Bon Jovi anyway? :)
Froufrou have already done something similar (look at http://froufrou.cymbalism.com)
It's the reason I bought a bunch of copies of Half-Life: added value. A couple friends of mine had pirate copies of HL and they went through the single player missions in a couple of days, but when another friend of mine bought a legal version and told them about WON they immediately bought legal versions. As for me, I wasn't into playing games anymore, until I was introduced to CStrike. Then I bought a bunch of copies for the PC's at home.
Bon Jovi's taking a great step, intead of treating their "customers" as thieves they're adding some great value to the purchase of a legal copy.
Yet, the real "evolution" here is coming to terms with the fact that those who copy your album off the net are most likely not going to spend a cent on your ass. Why spend so much money on protected cd's, suing napster, etc... if those people are not going to create revenue anyways.
Now I'm not supporting stealing, but artists and labels should try to think of downloaders as people who are lent CD's by their friends. If they really like what they listen, it's highly probable that they'll spend money on that cd.
No, seriously, I just come here for the articles.
Here's an entry from Moby's journal where he claims that bands with technically savvy audiences don't do well in the charts because their fans rip & burn their CDs. I guess he's a little bitter about '18' not doing as well as 'Play'.
My $.02: I listened to '18' on MP3 with full intention of buying the album if I like it (I did this with Play), and I just didn't like it. IMHO, it sounded lik 'Play' warmed over, and didn't do much for me. So I didn't buy it, and I deleted the MP3s.
it's not going to stop until you wise up, no it's not going to stop. so just give up.
please ............Wont somebody think about the CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cruel and unusual punishment indeed......
Burma?
The big bands generally go on tours to promote a new CD. Where's the logic in that?
Did this two years ago witht he release of discovery. It came with a credit card style membership card that allowed you access to special features.
You were cheated. If the box said the card should be there and it wasn't, they'll have violated some sort of trade descriptions act, or whatever the Oz equivalent law is. You were missold a defective product. You just didn't complain loudly enough, a lot of stores try to fob everyone off first time they complain. Jeez, how are you to know that the card isn't there until you open it? It's like selling a DVD player were the box only actually had a couple of bricks in it. Do you think that opening that box voids any consumer rights you have?
Have you still got the receipt? If so, speak to a local consumer rights group. Failing that, get the tracks of a p2p network. Whatever your feelings on file-sharing, you are morally entitled to these.
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The French techno band Daft Punk also did this 2 years ago. The ID gave an access to restricted parts of their website.
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Daft Punk did it over a year ago with their Daft Card. Every CD came with a credit card type bit thing with a unique serial. Punch the serial into the website and get content.
I suspect what's really happened here is somebody at Bon Jovi's label is very clever and figured out a way to get a big hard plug on Slashdot.
If you are caught copying bon jovi, he will come to your house and sleep over.
The Tragically Hip used this same idea with their release of 'In Violet Light' this summer. You could register online using a serial number packaged with the CD. Registration provided access to bonus tracks, unreleased live material and early access to concert tickets. Pretty cool.
Dave Matthews Band also did that this summer with Busted Stuff and the band even offered a link to a live webcast of their Hartfort, CT show.
I always felt that since manufacturing costs are going down, but CD prices are not, they should give us a little more with the CDs we buy. The Dave Matthews Band's latest album "Busted Stuff"(which has been floating around the internet for a year under the name "The Lillywhite Sessions")was released packaged with a free DVD which had two great live performances, and one song (audio only) in 5.1. It was sort of a DVD "single" if you will. It gave fans a real reason to buy even though just about everybody had already downloaded the same songs on the internet. That's smart marketing.
rap sucks asss
Oh? Wonderful. Thanks for the notice... now I just need to find that card.
... that's all i wrote...
Daft Punk did it with Discovery. You recieved a credit-card like card, with which you used the number on it to download music, videos, and more.
The cd itself was not copy protected as far as I could tell, it worked in everything I had.
Jon B J, can you say "Duh?"
The thing that is really shocking is that someone would want to pirate Bon Jovi.
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Lots of bands have been selling CDs with bonus material for a long time -- Gorillaz had a key to access stuff on their website last year. Is this really news? Besides, does this really discourage "piracy"? Encouragement to buy the CD doesn't equate to discouragement to rip it later or download some MP3s to hear it before you buy.
i mean.... i know it should be free, but that's just because it sucks, right?
Evil is the money of all root....
Art is aesthetic in nature, whereas software is functional in nature. There may be art underlying the actual code, such as the layout of the icons on the screen (and obviously the icons themselves), but the algorithms themselves are merely functional. This becomes clear when you consider software such as database software or webserving software, where the artistry is absent completely and only the functionality remains.
Maybe it (18) would have sold better if it didn't suck so bad.
It's quite obvious by listening to it that he's simply trying to cash in on what made Play so successful...to the point that he used the same sounds (string samples, etc), and even similar melodies and chord progressions.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. -George Carlin
All this is in vein though, since the album has been floating around on the net as mp3 for over a week already.
Still....you can't blame them for trying.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. -George Carlin
The Black Crowes did this with their Lions cd. You put the cd into your computer and it would bring up an application that let you download entire concerts from that tour, already sized to fit on cds. You could only download a certain number of concerts, but you could stream as many as you like.
new approach? what about there old approach? they kept me from pirating their music already by placing it well below my "crap tolerance threshold."
Radiohead, Oasis, Puff Daddy, Limp Bizcut, Linkin Park, et all are right up there with, well, Bon Jovi.
With a statement like that using Radiohead in the same sentence as Puff Daddy and Bon Jovi, you have shown your utter ignorance.