So Hotmail really does have unstoppable built-in SPAM? Wow, I didn't see that on the butterfly commercials.
I don't use Hotmail, so I haven't read the agreement you clicked-through, but it seems to me that it isn't SPAM if you agreed to receive it.
I use Yahoo mail. As part of the agreement to let me use their POP server for free, I had to agree to get their marketing messages. Now that I pay, no more messages. (I don't think the ad-supported version exists anymore, BTW).
I'm not talking about the emergency services depending on cellular channels-- they have their own emergency radio frequencies. I'm talking about the "average" citizen calling for help. I've called 911 twice, both from my cell, and both after witnessing car crashes while driving my own car.
If you don't have cell access, you'd have to find a landline to call 112-- and that takes precious time.
All the time if they have head phones, any time they're at a friends house, when they're at school, need I go on? If you can't do do indecent acts in public, why should you be able to broadcast indecency to the public?
You shouldn't. Unfortunately for your argument, Stern's was fined for material that, had he stood on a box in Times Square and shouted it, would have been legal-- it was only illegal on the airwaves. In short, it's pretty much up to the FCC's judgement to decide who gets fined, based on "decency" standards that have no concrete definition.
Censorship is a slippery slope. What do you think "indecent" means? Why is my definition less credible than yours? How about someone else who has a more stringent definition? Do we settle for the lowest common denominator?
they dont use a cellphone, or dont use a cellphone exclusively. there's semaphones for doctors, and several other emergency channels (or at least there are here). cellphone is not an emergency channel, and should never be used for any life-threatening stuff. if it's on a cellphone, it can wait an hour.
Interesting, but irrelevant. Just because a backup channel should be available doesn't mean that a cell isn't faster and more convenient. A few minutes saved by calling for an ambulance via cell than tracking down a landline could save a life. But at least you didn't have to hear a cell, right?
The jammer is the cell-equivalent of a bad-RBL. Effectively meets its goals, but inflicts more collateral damage than it's worth.
Two people holding a conversation at normal volume is easy to ignore; one person shouting at a plastic box taped to his head - that's not so easy to ignore.
A common argument, but the study explicitly tested with the person-to-person and cell phone conversation at identical volumes. The participants were more annoyed with the cell conversation. Your justification does not explain this finding.
Economics 101: Selling a product for less than it costs to produce results in a negative profit.
Don't confuse variable cost with total cost. To keep up with the theme:
Economics 201: If your manufacturing capacity would otherwise be idle, its better to sell a product at a loss as long as its price is greater than its variable cost.
Plasma is kinda neat, but has a reputation for burn-in and slowly losing brightness over time. If I was to buy a multi-thousand dollar TV, I'd want it to work for 8-10 years until the next big thing comes along.
Yes, burn-in is a potential problem with plasma, but it's also a problem with CRT and any other technology that uses phosphors. Modern plasma displays have a half-life approaching 60,000 hours. Even if you leave it on 24/7, you've almost got your 8-10 years. Besides, after 60k hours, the brightness of the phosphors will be 1/2 that of a new panel (meaning: not trash). Modern panels have vastly improved designs that make burn-in unlikely unless you practically try to do it.
And no, I don't own a plasma; I just covet them. If I had the room I'd probably get a FPTV over a plasma, but I'd take a plasma over any RPTV or LCD any day.
Projectors are absolutly awsome if you've got the space for them.
And 100% control over ambient light. You can't watch FP in a bright room, which sucks. Who wants to watch a football game in a theater-setting? That being said, it is generally accepted that they have the best black level and picture quality. And you just can't beat 110" diagonal for that cinematic feel.
For my iPod (30 GB, if you're curious), I got a dock but never use it. I just plug it into the cord every so often to sync up my audio books or some such.
I use the dock a lot more than I thought I would. The reality of my usage is that I connect to my computer to sync maybe once per month. Every other day of the month, I drop my iPod into the dock to a) recharge and b) connect the line-out to my stereo. Charging + playing (on my nice, big speakers) without fumbling around the entertainment center for two cords and it looks cool too.
The two accessories I thought I would use more I almost never use. I used the remote once: it was just too long once you add the headphones to the end, and I don't mind pulling out the iPod when I need to change tracks. I only use the case when I'm at the gym-- I just slip it in my pocket the rest of the time. Sure, it's got some scratches, but it just shows that I'm old iPod.
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mgoff wrote:That's why I always put a bunch of killer keywords ("Bush," "WMD," "french," "military," victories," etc) in a white font at the bottom of my resume before I print it out. (emphasis added)
In anything much bigger than a 2-person shop these days, resumes pretty much just go unread into a database. They are only seen by a human if they match a retrieval request.
That's why I always put a bunch of killer keywords ("Bush," "WMD," "french," "military," victories," etc) in a white font at the bottom of my resume before I print it out. It is really working-- just got an invite to Orkut!
In true Slashdot fashion, I haven't read the article.
Me neither.
That said, if I were going to write something to analyze it - I would break the music down with a FFT and then run that through Bayesian analysis. You could technically even use that then to generate new songs that are based on the existing popular ones.
Doesn't Bayesian filtering only test present vs. non-present? Meaning, order of appearance is not important. Unlike a regression, I don't think you can manipulate the data to include temporal analysis. But, IANAS.
The problem with that technique is that it doesn't account for new music - it just "assumes" (not that there is any real thought involved) that what is popular now is what will remain popular.
Well, not if you update your assumption data with the most recent history before you analyze each new song. I don't think the point of the software is to predict the next breakout genre-- it's to identify which of the "me too" bands will be the most successful.
A serious question (as opposed to a modest proposal): has anyone ever seen a document emerge from a collaboration / groupware system better than one produced by a single knowledgable person?
I think the real purpose of these types of systems are for draft-edits. As I have seen them used, each section has a single author, and the collaboration system is used to revise the draft.
I've been watching this case closely, and I'm glad it's been thrown out like the Garage door opener case!
What on the EFF site makes you think that case has been thrown out? Chamberlain's motion for summary judgement was simply denied-- that means that they'll eventually go to trial (or settle or withdraw).
If you use your cell at all, you can probably skip one night, but no more. Yes-- battery life is horrible... but only when compared to a less powerful PDA or a regular cell phone. There's a pretty good correlation between processing power and power consumption.
I think this highlights the problems with these integrated devices (and, more importantly, integrated power source). For most people, it just doesn't make sense. I'd be pissed if I couldn't make a call because I had been watching a movie on the train and ran the battery out.
I just don't get why cell maufacturers are so resistant to add Bluetooth to their phones. Phone in the pocket, PDA in the bag seems like a perfectly acceptable solution to me. Hell, even sell them together in the same box and market them as being completely integrated.
Bullshit. You have no idea how many times a clueless engineer trys to run the financial side of things. As a fellow (former?) engineer, I try to explain the big picture to him or her, but rarely to they get it. I used to be the one making fun of the PHB (haha, very clever) and finance-pukes. Now I am one. And guess what: they're not any more bull-headed than your average engineer. At least they try to understand the technical side. Most of the engineers are too busy spounting their elistist technical crap to listen to sound business advice. You should see the looks on their faces when I call them on their bluff (because I know 90% of the technical details as well as they do).
A head knocking the platter during use rare does enough damage to completely hose the drive. At worse you get a few bad blocks, the controller notes them and omits them from the allocation table.
Not true. Three "bad" things happen when the head crashes:
1) Media damage: If the platter is rotating, you can get a long score which may impact multiple tracks depending upon head design and if there was lateral acceleration.
2) Head damage: The head is an aerodynamic semiconductor. They really do "fly" over the media. Damage to the head can impact flight characteristics and B-field emissions (including shape and intensity).
3) Dirty environment: Those pieces that came off the platter and head have to go somewhere. Maybe you're lucky and they hit (and stick) to the top plate or arm or other noncritical surface. Or, maybe they float around for a while and eventually land on the head or media. This can cause transient errors (include block reassigns) bad enough to exhaust your reserved reassign area.
You might have a little data loss, save the file from the buffer a second time and it will be fine as the bad block(s) will be skipped.
If you're doing a write when you encounter the bad block, you're right. If you're doing a read, you're hosed.
I hope this thing isn't too sensitive - it would be quite annoying if a bumpy car ride or turbulence on an airplane would interrupt any hard drive activity...
Why? If the plane or car ride is so bumpy that your drive might be damaged, wouldn't you prefer a temporary "drive not ready" message instead of a permanent one? It's not really like an airbag in that it's a one-shot deployment-- it just parks the drive when it senses problems.
You missed the point. Last time, the flood of calls cost them lots of money. This time around Barry has linked to a number that doesn't cost them anything no matter how much you call. For all I care, it's not a critical line and could be afforded to shut down for few days until the storm settles down. Simply put, you're just wasting time and not being effective at your own expense.
No, you're missing the point. From the article: "An ATA staffer has spent about five hours a day for the past six days monitoring the voice mail and clearing out messages." That's where the cost is-- the "spam" cost if you will. It may cost each of us $0.10 to leave a voicemail, but someone has to listen to every one of them to make sure real messages don't get lost.
By that same token, "adults" don't need to arrive at exactly a particular time of day to do thier work in a non-service field, nor do "adults" expect that of thier peers.
OK, I agree with you so far, but...
Calling "neya-neya, you're in trouble" and givng out "warnings" and "discplinary actions" is what you do in school, not in business. It's childish, plain and simple.
So, instead of being warned by your management that you can and will be fired for your behavior if it doesn't change, you'd rather them just have security walk you out one day? Come on....
Of course, companies do these warnings for their own benefit-- not yours. They want a nice little paper trail in case you sue or call the DoL that shows that a) they fired you for "cause" and b) they tried to fix the issues before they had to "resort" to the firing.
It's not the warning system that's childish. It's the inflexible policy.
Maybe if you got the giant chip off your shoulder you could be a little more objective. Where in the article (did you even read it?) did it have the words "Great American Invention"? (hint: nowhere). Let's be honest: the article is a fluff piece. It gives few details on why tires on existing roads make noise and the research being done at Purdue to solve it (no claim that the reserach was exclusive to Purdue). Are you actually claiming that the Dutch system is noiseless? Great! We can just license it immediately! No need to any more research! Oh wait, it still has some noise? Weather conditions are different in (and within) America? Soils, tire types, weight regulations, speed limits are different too?
If I had mod points, I would not mod you down for being anti-american. I would mod you down for 1) being flamebait (with some interesting info, but the flamebait:good ratio was way too high), and 2) using a quote out of context (in your sig)
Freedom here means we have to enforce our values on them. -- Capt. Margolis, US Army, Iraq.
The original source of this quote is The Register:
There seems to be an uneasy truce between the doctors and the Americans. The doctors don't like the way the soldiers sometimes try to interfere, especially stopping them smoking in the wards. (emphasis mine)
"Like it makes any difference," says Dr Sabah, pointing at the bloodstained floor and walls.
But CaptMargolis, who seems a good, well-meaning man, is unrepentant.
"This is freedom and freedom can mean different things, and in this case freedom means we are going to have to enforce our values on them," he remarks without irony.
"The Iraqi doctors who have been to the west want their hospitals to be like ours and we have to change their values to do it." (emphasis mine)
We get it. You're against the war. Guess what: a lot of Americans were against the war too. But you had to stoop to the use of an out-of-context quote to make your point. Pathetic.
And now I will be modded down for being off topic. But, since you hide your email address, I have no alternative.
Price per port: $71 / port for shared 11 mbit that goes down anything someone turns on the microwave.
My wireless basestation is sitting on top of my 80s-era giant microwave, and I am able to continue high-speed BitTorrent down/uploads with no effect on my transmission speed, even when a nuke is in session. The microwave may affect my wireless bandwith, but my WAN link (DSL) is always the bottleneck.
Also, I live in an (rented) apartment in San Francisco with no attic, plaster walls, and neighbors below (who might not appreciate my cables). WEP, MAC filtering, and ZoneAlarm are easy, quick, and smart. There are some valid faults, but wireless is a must have for me.
Just because person or corporation has invested X amount of money into a certain business, product or business model does not mean that they are entitled to get anything out of it.
You're missing my point. I'm not arguing that the owner deserves anything just by making the investment. I'm simply claiming that the owner has the right to "charge" (not a great word) you for any value you receive from his or her property. Just because the owner didn't lose anything doesn't mean that he or she is not entitled to some compensation if you find the use of that property valuable.
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Some people do not consider music to be property. I'm not saying I'm one of them but you have to admit that stealing and copyright violation are two completly different crimes. If I steal something from you you no longer have it, and have experienced a loss. If I copy something of yours we both have it, and you have lost nothing.
Where this position fall short is that information has value only when it is scarce. Patents and other IP violations are only copyright violations, but once scarity is removed (i.e. easily available for free), the value to the legitimite owner is destroyed. The owner consumed resources to develop the IP, and it is reasonable for that owner to expect to extract value from that investment.
I have yet to see a credible argument that only tangible property has value. Using IP without the owner's premission is theft. The thief can justify it however he or she wants, but the IP has less value after he or she takes it without permission.
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So Hotmail really does have unstoppable built-in SPAM? Wow, I didn't see that on the butterfly commercials.
I don't use Hotmail, so I haven't read the agreement you clicked-through, but it seems to me that it isn't SPAM if you agreed to receive it.
I use Yahoo mail. As part of the agreement to let me use their POP server for free, I had to agree to get their marketing messages. Now that I pay, no more messages. (I don't think the ad-supported version exists anymore, BTW).
I'm not talking about the emergency services depending on cellular channels-- they have their own emergency radio frequencies. I'm talking about the "average" citizen calling for help. I've called 911 twice, both from my cell, and both after witnessing car crashes while driving my own car.
If you don't have cell access, you'd have to find a landline to call 112-- and that takes precious time.
All the time if they have head phones, any time they're at a friends house, when they're at school, need I go on? If you can't do do indecent acts in public, why should you be able to broadcast indecency to the public?
You shouldn't. Unfortunately for your argument, Stern's was fined for material that, had he stood on a box in Times Square and shouted it, would have been legal-- it was only illegal on the airwaves. In short, it's pretty much up to the FCC's judgement to decide who gets fined, based on "decency" standards that have no concrete definition.
Censorship is a slippery slope. What do you think "indecent" means? Why is my definition less credible than yours? How about someone else who has a more stringent definition? Do we settle for the lowest common denominator?
they dont use a cellphone, or dont use a cellphone exclusively. there's semaphones for doctors, and several other emergency channels (or at least there are here). cellphone is not an emergency channel, and should never be used for any life-threatening stuff. if it's on a cellphone, it can wait an hour.
Interesting, but irrelevant. Just because a backup channel should be available doesn't mean that a cell isn't faster and more convenient. A few minutes saved by calling for an ambulance via cell than tracking down a landline could save a life. But at least you didn't have to hear a cell, right?
The jammer is the cell-equivalent of a bad-RBL. Effectively meets its goals, but inflicts more collateral damage than it's worth.
Two people holding a conversation at normal volume is easy to ignore; one person shouting at a plastic box taped to his head - that's not so easy to ignore.
A common argument, but the study explicitly tested with the person-to-person and cell phone conversation at identical volumes. The participants were more annoyed with the cell conversation. Your justification does not explain this finding.
Economics 101: Selling a product for less than it costs to produce results in a negative profit.
Don't confuse variable cost with total cost. To keep up with the theme:
Economics 201: If your manufacturing capacity would otherwise be idle, its better to sell a product at a loss as long as its price is greater than its variable cost.
Marketing 101: If you can sell it for $10, what is to be gained by selling it for $5?
Marketing 201: Sometimes you can make more profit by selling more units at a lower price.
Plasma is kinda neat, but has a reputation for burn-in and slowly losing brightness over time. If I was to buy a multi-thousand dollar TV, I'd want it to work for 8-10 years until the next big thing comes along.
Yes, burn-in is a potential problem with plasma, but it's also a problem with CRT and any other technology that uses phosphors. Modern plasma displays have a half-life approaching 60,000 hours. Even if you leave it on 24/7, you've almost got your 8-10 years. Besides, after 60k hours, the brightness of the phosphors will be 1/2 that of a new panel (meaning: not trash). Modern panels have vastly improved designs that make burn-in unlikely unless you practically try to do it.
And no, I don't own a plasma; I just covet them. If I had the room I'd probably get a FPTV over a plasma, but I'd take a plasma over any RPTV or LCD any day.
Projectors are absolutly awsome if you've got the space for them.
And 100% control over ambient light. You can't watch FP in a bright room, which sucks. Who wants to watch a football game in a theater-setting? That being said, it is generally accepted that they have the best black level and picture quality. And you just can't beat 110" diagonal for that cinematic feel.
For my iPod (30 GB, if you're curious), I got a dock but never use it. I just plug it into the cord every so often to sync up my audio books or some such.
I use the dock a lot more than I thought I would. The reality of my usage is that I connect to my computer to sync maybe once per month. Every other day of the month, I drop my iPod into the dock to a) recharge and b) connect the line-out to my stereo. Charging + playing (on my nice, big speakers) without fumbling around the entertainment center for two cords and it looks cool too.
The two accessories I thought I would use more I almost never use. I used the remote once: it was just too long once you add the headphones to the end, and I don't mind pulling out the iPod when I need to change tracks. I only use the case when I'm at the gym-- I just slip it in my pocket the rest of the time. Sure, it's got some scratches, but it just shows that I'm old iPod.
Hi. mgoff wrote: That's why I always put a bunch of killer keywords ("Bush," "WMD," "french," "military," victories," etc) in a white font at the bottom of my resume before I print it out. (emphasis added)
In anything much bigger than a 2-person shop these days, resumes pretty much just go unread into a database. They are only seen by a human if they match a retrieval request.
That's why I always put a bunch of killer keywords ("Bush," "WMD," "french," "military," victories," etc) in a white font at the bottom of my resume before I print it out. It is really working-- just got an invite to Orkut!
In true Slashdot fashion, I haven't read the article.
Me neither.
That said, if I were going to write something to analyze it - I would break the music down with a FFT and then run that through Bayesian analysis.
You could technically even use that then to generate new songs that are based on the existing popular ones.
Doesn't Bayesian filtering only test present vs. non-present? Meaning, order of appearance is not important. Unlike a regression, I don't think you can manipulate the data to include temporal analysis. But, IANAS.
The problem with that technique is that it doesn't account for new music - it just "assumes" (not that there is any real thought involved) that what is popular now is what will remain popular.
Well, not if you update your assumption data with the most recent history before you analyze each new song. I don't think the point of the software is to predict the next breakout genre-- it's to identify which of the "me too" bands will be the most successful.
A serious question (as opposed to a modest proposal): has anyone ever seen a document emerge from a collaboration / groupware system better than one produced by a single knowledgable person?
I think the real purpose of these types of systems are for draft-edits. As I have seen them used, each section has a single author, and the collaboration system is used to revise the draft.
I've been watching this case closely, and I'm glad it's been thrown out like the Garage door opener case!
What on the EFF site makes you think that case has been thrown out? Chamberlain's motion for summary judgement was simply denied-- that means that they'll eventually go to trial (or settle or withdraw).
How often do you have to charge your laptop?
If you use your cell at all, you can probably skip one night, but no more. Yes-- battery life is horrible... but only when compared to a less powerful PDA or a regular cell phone. There's a pretty good correlation between processing power and power consumption.
I think this highlights the problems with these integrated devices (and, more importantly, integrated power source). For most people, it just doesn't make sense. I'd be pissed if I couldn't make a call because I had been watching a movie on the train and ran the battery out.
I just don't get why cell maufacturers are so resistant to add Bluetooth to their phones. Phone in the pocket, PDA in the bag seems like a perfectly acceptable solution to me. Hell, even sell them together in the same box and market them as being completely integrated.
Bullshit. You have no idea how many times a clueless engineer trys to run the financial side of things. As a fellow (former?) engineer, I try to explain the big picture to him or her, but rarely to they get it. I used to be the one making fun of the PHB (haha, very clever) and finance-pukes. Now I am one. And guess what: they're not any more bull-headed than your average engineer. At least they try to understand the technical side. Most of the engineers are too busy spounting their elistist technical crap to listen to sound business advice. You should see the looks on their faces when I call them on their bluff (because I know 90% of the technical details as well as they do).
A head knocking the platter during use rare does enough damage to completely hose the drive. At worse you get a few bad blocks, the controller notes them and omits them from the allocation table.
Not true. Three "bad" things happen when the head crashes:
1) Media damage: If the platter is rotating, you can get a long score which may impact multiple tracks depending upon head design and if there was lateral acceleration.
2) Head damage: The head is an aerodynamic semiconductor. They really do "fly" over the media. Damage to the head can impact flight characteristics and B-field emissions (including shape and intensity).
3) Dirty environment: Those pieces that came off the platter and head have to go somewhere. Maybe you're lucky and they hit (and stick) to the top plate or arm or other noncritical surface. Or, maybe they float around for a while and eventually land on the head or media. This can cause transient errors (include block reassigns) bad enough to exhaust your reserved reassign area.
You might have a little data loss, save the file from the buffer a second time and it will be fine as the bad block(s) will be skipped.
If you're doing a write when you encounter the bad block, you're right. If you're doing a read, you're hosed.
I hope this thing isn't too sensitive - it would be quite annoying if a bumpy car ride or turbulence on an airplane would interrupt any hard drive activity...
Why? If the plane or car ride is so bumpy that your drive might be damaged, wouldn't you prefer a temporary "drive not ready" message instead of a permanent one? It's not really like an airbag in that it's a one-shot deployment-- it just parks the drive when it senses problems.
You missed the point. Last time, the flood of calls cost them lots of money. This time around Barry has linked to a number that doesn't cost them anything no matter how much you call. For all I care, it's not a critical line and could be afforded to shut down for few days until the storm settles down. Simply put, you're just wasting time and not being effective at your own expense.
No, you're missing the point. From the article: "An ATA staffer has spent about five hours a day for the past six days monitoring the voice mail and clearing out messages." That's where the cost is-- the "spam" cost if you will. It may cost each of us $0.10 to leave a voicemail, but someone has to listen to every one of them to make sure real messages don't get lost.
By that same token, "adults" don't need to arrive at exactly a particular time of day to do thier work in a non-service field, nor do "adults" expect that of thier peers.
OK, I agree with you so far, but...
Calling "neya-neya, you're in trouble" and givng out "warnings" and "discplinary actions" is what you do in school, not in business. It's childish, plain and simple.
So, instead of being warned by your management that you can and will be fired for your behavior if it doesn't change, you'd rather them just have security walk you out one day? Come on....
Of course, companies do these warnings for their own benefit-- not yours. They want a nice little paper trail in case you sue or call the DoL that shows that a) they fired you for "cause" and b) they tried to fix the issues before they had to "resort" to the firing.
It's not the warning system that's childish. It's the inflexible policy.
If I had mod points, I would not mod you down for being anti-american. I would mod you down for 1) being flamebait (with some interesting info, but the flamebait:good ratio was way too high), and 2) using a quote out of context (in your sig)
Freedom here means we have to enforce our values on them.
-- Capt. Margolis, US Army, Iraq.
The original source of this quote is The Register:
We get it. You're against the war. Guess what: a lot of Americans were against the war too. But you had to stoop to the use of an out-of-context quote to make your point. Pathetic.
And now I will be modded down for being off topic. But, since you hide your email address, I have no alternative.
Price per port: $71 / port for shared 11 mbit that goes down anything someone turns on the microwave.
My wireless basestation is sitting on top of my 80s-era giant microwave, and I am able to continue high-speed BitTorrent down/uploads with no effect on my transmission speed, even when a nuke is in session. The microwave may affect my wireless bandwith, but my WAN link (DSL) is always the bottleneck.
Also, I live in an (rented) apartment in San Francisco with no attic, plaster walls, and neighbors below (who might not appreciate my cables). WEP, MAC filtering, and ZoneAlarm are easy, quick, and smart. There are some valid faults, but wireless is a must have for me.
Just because person or corporation has invested X amount of money into a certain business, product or business model does not mean that they are entitled to get anything out of it.
You're missing my point. I'm not arguing that the owner deserves anything just by making the investment. I'm simply claiming that the owner has the right to "charge" (not a great word) you for any value you receive from his or her property. Just because the owner didn't lose anything doesn't mean that he or she is not entitled to some compensation if you find the use of that property valuable.
Some people do not consider music to be property. I'm not saying I'm one of them but you have to admit that stealing and copyright violation are two completly different crimes. If I steal something from you you no longer have it, and have experienced a loss. If I copy something of yours we both have it, and you have lost nothing.
Where this position fall short is that information has value only when it is scarce. Patents and other IP violations are only copyright violations, but once scarity is removed (i.e. easily available for free), the value to the legitimite owner is destroyed. The owner consumed resources to develop the IP, and it is reasonable for that owner to expect to extract value from that investment.
I have yet to see a credible argument that only tangible property has value. Using IP without the owner's premission is theft. The thief can justify it however he or she wants, but the IP has less value after he or she takes it without permission.