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IBM Introduces 'Air Bags' For Laptop Hard Drives

Ruger writes "Reported in PCWorld this morning, IBM has introduced a technology for their new laptop hard discs which has a similar concept to airbags in cars. Active Protection System (APS) is a microchip put on the system board that senses acceleration. It parks the head of a hard drive inside a tenth of a second, significantly reducing the risk of damage to data. IBM also has a a press release on the new ThinkPad R50 and T41 models that include this technology, for those interested in the company line."

269 comments

  1. What about by Sir+Haxalot · · Score: 5, Funny

    seatbelts? Bet they hadn't though of that.
    *goes off to patent it*

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    1. Re:What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's an open source businessmodel!

      1: Write free software.
      2: ?
      3: Use air-bags for harddrives.
      4: Profit!

    2. Re:What about by citabjockey · · Score: 1

      IBM has implemented airbags for laptops? OOOhhhhh -- better watch out, I think SCO has the license for that technology. Wait, nevermind. That was Wind Bags.

  2. Air Head by dotslashdot · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is only good for "Air Heads" who move their laptop while it's on.

    1. Re:Air Head by mistert2 · · Score: 1

      I wish I had the luxury to use my laptop in pristine environments where I don't have to worry about some idiot knocking my powerbook off the desk or table. Or what about the fricking dog at home.

    2. Re:Air Head by TrippTDF · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is only good for "Air Heads" who move their laptop while it's on.

      Don't forget about iPods and other new portable media devices that use hard drives! This could vastly improve performance on them.

      I've not seen enough to make me think it's a serious problem, but I have seen a few iPods that have serious hard drive failures that I can't fix, even with low-level formatting. It seems to me a lot of those errors are just because of people moving around too much with an iPod.

    3. Re:Air Head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some idiot knocking my powerbook

      but you just put yourself into that category...

    4. Re:Air Head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dogs are animals that survive quite nicely OUTSIDE :)

    5. Re:Air Head by topgun98 · · Score: 1

      Gosh, I guess this technology is useless then since no one needs to use their laptop in the car or on planes... oh wait.

    6. Re:Air Head by E_elven · · Score: 1

      >This could vastly improve performance on them.

      It would very much *kill* performance on a device that moves constantly. It'd make things safer, sure.

      .

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    7. Re:Air Head by zebo_2001 · · Score: 1

      my ipod has been through hell and back and its fine besides the LCD part thing

    8. Re:Air Head by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

      Accelleration is not movement, remember that.

      The device detects accelleration and parks the heads when accelleration is akin to that of say: falling off a table. Acts such as jogging with an "airbag equipped" MP3 player wouldn't trigger this reaction, but losing grip of it and significantly increasing the rate of accelleration by flinging it down the jogging path will.

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    9. Re:Air Head by andrewjjenkins · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested in seeing you jog without changing the direction in which an iPod was moving. Remember, velocity has both magnitude (miles per hour) and direction (up/down, north/south). When I run with a walkman, it jiggles an awful lot.

    10. Re:Air Head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it jiggles an awful lot.

      The fat joke residing in that is just too damn easy.

    11. Re:Air Head by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Dogs are animals that survive quite nicely OUTSIDE

      Yup, have for quite a while. OT, but people who keep animals indoors all the time are assholes. Animals are supposed to be outside doing what they do, like torturing & killing smaller animals. It seems cruel to me to force them to be inside all the time. Guess why the dog ran away? He doesn't want to be in the fucking house all the time, so he'll take any chance he can get to change that. Live in a big city & can't afford a yard? Don't buy a fucking dog then.

    12. Re:Air Head by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > besides the LCD part thing

      the LCD part thing... Could you, perhaps, mean the LCD? That's what that "part thing" is called.

    13. Re:Air Head by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      > Don't buy a fucking dog then.
      Yes, please remember to spay or neuter your pets. Or anyone else who knocks your laptop off the table.

    14. Re:Air Head by zebo_2001 · · Score: 1

      No I mean the LCD part thing As in the LCD Because thats what its called

  3. And in other news... by stephenisu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fatality rate among children riding in front seat with laptops doubles.

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    1. Re:And in other news... by Chronowerx · · Score: 1

      What! you let your children in the front seat when your Laptop is in the car?
      My kids go in the boot with the spare tyre and car jacks... the Laptop gets the front seat, and wears a seatbelt.

  4. I'll be impressed by Transient0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    when it can also detect incoming hammer blows and deflect them aside kung-fu style.

    Also, adding further encouragement for me to throw my notebook across the room is the LAST think they need to do.

    1. Re:I'll be impressed by daeley · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bah! Gimme Peril-Sensitive Sunglasses and then we'll talk about Technocide-Sensitive Laptops. ;)

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    2. Re:I'll be impressed by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "when it can also detect incoming hammer blows and deflect them aside kung-fu style."

      That'll be a while, but I can see them making this device visible at the OS level so it can trigger a "woo-pah!" wav whenever it halts the platter. :)

    3. Re:I'll be impressed by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but Windows is stupid and wouldn't have hdd_head_crash_prevented.wav cached in RAM. It would look at the (locked) hard drive.

  5. Portable Audio Players by coral256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This could be especially useful for, say, an iPod.

    1. Re:Portable Audio Players by FreeLinux · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes it certainly could. It could cause them to stop playing or "skip" frequently when they are being used in bumpy environments like cars, joggers, etc.

    2. Re:Portable Audio Players by dj_paulgibbs · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, they're solid state.

    3. Re:Portable Audio Players by Gherald · · Score: 1

      uh, I've never used an ipod or the ilk but I assume there is _SOME_ sort of buffer.

    4. Re:Portable Audio Players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did this get modded "Insightful" instead of "Troll"?

    5. Re:Portable Audio Players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      iPods are reported to have 25 minutes of skip protection. I doubt this would be of much concern.

    6. Re:Portable Audio Players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thankyou captain obvious

    7. Re:Portable Audio Players by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, they're solid state. ...which the iPod isn't.

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    8. Re:Portable Audio Players by Stigmata669 · · Score: 1

      I agree! I have, however, tested the limits of iPod durability by accidently yanking it off a shelf by the headphone cord and watching it plumit four feet to a tiled floor... while playing. It didn't even skip.

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    9. Re:Portable Audio Players by momerath2003 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's because the iPod has a 32 MB RAM buffer into which it loads the music that it's playing. (So for most of the time, when you aren't skipping around tracks, it is essentially a solid-state MP3 player.)

      It doesn't have the hard disk spinning all the time. This is not only to prevent skipping but also to dramatically increase battery life.

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    10. Re:Portable Audio Players by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      Uhh, because it is insightful. The real question is, how haven't you been modded troll?

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    11. Re:Portable Audio Players by dj_paulgibbs · · Score: 1

      Did not mean to imply they were.

    12. Re:Portable Audio Players by FuzzyFurB · · Score: 1

      not really. the ipod has an enormous load of memory and preloads several songs in advance of playing them, then parks the disk head already. so 99% of the time the disk isn't spinning at all. this protects the disk, and reduces power consumption. so this technology will only help out an ipod during those few milliseconds when it is pulling hte next few tracks off disk to play them.

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    13. Re:Portable Audio Players by kimgh · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's a 20-minute buffer. Skipping is not a problem.

    14. Re:Portable Audio Players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean "Did not mean to show my ignorance" ?

    15. Re:Portable Audio Players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPod hard drive to Radiohead fan: "An airbag saved my life."

    16. Re:Portable Audio Players by line.at.infinity · · Score: 1

      the thing with ipods is they probably don't spin most of the time already and only spin for a short while when they do (think huge memory caches), so i don't know how much additional protection a stop-in-10-seconds feature will add (needs cost v. benefit analysis). my rio volt mp3 cd player seems to spin only once every 10 minutes. if only i knew more about tribology and harddrives, i'd be able to appreciate what ibm has done this time around.

    17. Re:Portable Audio Players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the announcement says it stops in a tenth of a second, rather than ten seconds as you must have misread.

      this feature may not be useful for an mp3 player which normally has the heads parked, but it will certainly provide a degree of protection not yet available for laptops.

    18. Re:Portable Audio Players by martingunnarsson · · Score: 1

      The only reason I don't buy an iPod is that I would be really worried about it all the time. I mean, I would never use it while jogging for example. The harddrive just feels too fraigle. If I didn't know how a harddrive works I wouldn't be worried at all...

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    19. Re:Portable Audio Players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An iPod is no good for jogging. It has too much mass exerting its forces on you when accelerated. Biking is fine though - way less acceleration. OTOH I'd recommend biking over jogging to save your knees. You'll be thanking me when you get old.

    20. Re:Portable Audio Players by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Skipping is not a problem.

      So? What's this got to do with skipping anyway? It's technology to prevent head-crashes on portable devices.

      Regardless of the size of your RAM buffer, dropping it while the disk is spinning and the head is not parked could easilly be catastropic. Bye hard-drive.

      So, yes, this is directly relevant and useful to iPods or whatever.

    21. Re:Portable Audio Players by kimgh · · Score: 1

      I was responding to a comment about whether there was skip protection in an iPod. Read the parent (and the parent's parent) of my comment.

    22. Re:Portable Audio Players by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      It doesn't have the hard disk spinning all the time. This is not only to prevent skipping but also to dramatically increase battery life.

      We'll just completely ignore the fact that the only way a hard drive could "skip" is if the heads smack the platters, which would destroy the hard drive. We'll just go ahead and believe it's that great 32megs buffer preventing skipping...

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  6. I think this is great by BizidyDizidy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Improving durability of laptops is more important than kicking up clock speed or what have you, at least to the truly mobile user. Especially good would be if that durability could be made cheaper.

    Something I've always found strange is that laptop carrying cases don't ever seem to advertise how well they PROTECT the laptop, which should be their primary goal, IMO. After having to go through great lengths to repair a new and expensive laptop after a drop, I'd be very appreciative of a carrying case that had this important end in mind.

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    1. Re:I think this is great by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Spend those bucks on a ruggedized laptop, like the Panasonic toughbooks, or one from dozens of other vendors. I work in the public safety field and use them all the time (ie; laptops in police cruisers). They're out there, and they're friggin indestructable. They also cost more than a comparable machine in a plastic shell, ie; the LCD is behind quarter inch plexi, the case is made out of hardened steel, the internals are mounted on shock absorbing rubber doodads, etc..

      You get what you pay for in the end.

      You can cough up 3 grand for a cute and trendy iBook, or for a virtually indestructable brick.

      Oh yeah, before I forget, they weigh a friggin' ton as a rule. Weight is a big selling point for mobile users.

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    2. Re:I think this is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they put something quantitive on them then they would be held to it. I am also not sure how you would quantify something like that and if you don't use quantitive measures then you just end up with a lot of marketingese that you can't be sure whether you trust it or not. I hope this makes sense but my head is pounding.

    3. Re:I think this is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have durability in mind, you would get a toughbook http://www.panasonic.com/computer/notebook/default .asp...

      Only issue with toughbook, is that all the toughbook user I meeted was having fun throwing their laptop!

    4. Re:I think this is great by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      Actually, the iBook only costs about 1600 bucks, with a nice, medium-level setup (640MB ram, 60GB hard drive, extra battery, DVD/CD-R drive). And it has a ruggedized hard disk (rubber mounted) and a polycarbonate shell, with a magnesium frame.

      They're nice. Not as tough as what you're talking about, but then, they are much more powerful.

      And, ruggedized laptops don't let you use iTunes and an iPod to manage your music collection.

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    5. Re:I think this is great by Entropy248 · · Score: 1

      Something I've always found strange is that laptop carrying cases don't ever seem to advertise how well they PROTECT the laptop

      Laptop cases CANNOT protect a laptop at all. Most of the pieces that can be damaged are inside the laptop. Weakly connected pieces, the hard drive's read/write head, the precision laser for your DVD/CD ROM drive, the keys on the keyboard, the LCD screen, etc. are all INSIDE your laptop when it falls. A case will not stop the jarring impact after the fall, though it might keep the exterior spiffy...

    6. Re:I think this is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I put my iBook2 through HELL (drops, flying into the dashboard when jamming on my brakes while driving (I made it), daily carrying and commuting). It looks and acts exactly like it did the day that I bought it (~1.5 years ago). They are very well made computers, especially for the price.

      BTW. I keep it in a neoprene sleeve from www.sfbags.com (no direct link to reduce accusations of whoring), and carry it in a regular backpack. I'm sure the sleeve saved it more than a few times.

      PS. the iBook has run Linux, not MacOS for those 1.5 years. I'm not an Apple shill. The iBook is light, quiet and (relatively) cool to the touch, which is why I got it.

    7. Re:I think this is great by swordboy · · Score: 1

      Improving durability of laptops is more important than kicking up clock speed or what have you

      Not really... At the company that I work for, we are paying $65k/month in repair fees to IBM's lease return department for aspects of the notebook that are obviously improperly designed. Certainly, the hard drive is important because, if that breaks during the warranty, then they have to pay, but little bits like the monitor bezel and various pieces on the case should be designed as delicately as possible if revenue is to be maximized. These will get broken during the lease and then paid for at the end of the lease. Ultimately, we could probably save 50% if we simply bought the laptops outright but management would never go for that.

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    8. Re:I think this is great by BizidyDizidy · · Score: 1
      Laptop cases CANNOT protect a laptop at all. Most of the pieces that can be damaged are inside the laptop. Weakly connected pieces, the hard drive's read/write head, the precision laser for your DVD/CD ROM drive, the keys on the keyboard, the LCD screen, etc. are all INSIDE your laptop when it falls. A case will not stop the jarring impact after the fall, though it might keep the exterior spiffy...

      I beg to differ. Idiot college students are making cases that let you drop eggs off 10 story buildings; you can't design a laptop case that absorbs impact shock?

      What was especially shocking, though, was that they didn't even TRY to advertise it. I was shocked, because as a consumer, that was my MAIN concern.

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    9. Re:I think this is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not *abuse*. A police mobile unit that can double as a weapon when under attack, now that's abuse.

      I'm not kidding, either. Their mobiles are designed to be able to withstand a collision with a crackheads noggin, just like their flashlights.

    10. Re:I think this is great by mslinux · · Score: 1

      Buy a Dell laptop with "Complete Care"... it covers drops and drink spills. Can't be beat.

    11. Re:I think this is great by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      You're probably wasting your time; I strongly suspect that the grandparent poster is an anti-Mac fanatic. You can show that sort tons o' data to prove that by every reasonable measure of usefulness for a laptop, including toughness, you get more for your money from Apple than from any Wintel vendor, and they still won't believe you.

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    12. Re:I think this is great by FrozenDownload · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. Idiot college students are making cases that let you drop eggs off 10 story buildings; you can't design a laptop case that absorbs impact shock?

      I think this is exactly what the parent was talking about when he said:

      A case will not stop the jarring impact after the fall, though it might keep the exterior spiffy...

      Sure the egg shell is unbroken, but the inside is not exactly stable, so the yolk is banging around in there.

      Most of the pieces that can be damaged are inside the laptop. Weakly connected pieces, the hard drive's read/write head, the precision laser for your DVD/CD ROM drive, the keys on the keyboard, the LCD screen, etc. are all INSIDE your laptop when it falls.

      Oh, and idiot college students study something called physics. When you have time off throwing generalized comments, try looking up inertia. Huzzah for newtons first law.

    13. Re:I think this is great by BizidyDizidy · · Score: 1

      Hahaha. Okay, first of all, investigate sarcasm. I am one of those aformentioned idiot college kids. Second of all, study impulse. If a case can cusion/protect the laptop such that the "sudden stop" isn't so sudden, the jarring won't be nearly so bad. If that's still too generalized, I could whip you up some equations/examples? Let me know.

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    14. Re:I think this is great by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1


      Sure the egg shell is unbroken, but the inside is not exactly stable, so the yolk is banging around in there.

      Basic college physics (even high school physics) is enough to tell you that the way these contests work is by reducing the impulse on the egg. The reason things break when they hit hard surfaces is that hard surfaces decellerate them to zero over a very tiny distance, and it takes a tremendous amount of force to do that - force that the object can't withstand. Soft objects don't break things as much, because they allow the impact to occur over a distance, thus reducing the size of the force they are experiencing while they do it. even a small distance makes a huge difference. The difference between an impact that takes place over one millimeter versus one that takes place over 2 centimeters is that the longer impact takes 20 times less force to accomplish. Thus it can make a huge difference if you pad a laptop case, just like anything else.

      Yes, the case is capable of handing more force than the components inside are, and thus it is possible to have enough padding to protect the case and still not enough to save the components, but that doesn't mean the idea can't work - it just means they're shooting for the wrong target and need to test against what the real problem is,
      which requires a little more padding.

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    15. Re:I think this is great by Zarquon · · Score: 1

      I think the point being made is that a well designed case could certainly reduce damage by reducing the acceleration the laptop endures by spreading the force out over more time, and dampening the collision to avoid bouncing (elastic vs. inelastic).

      Bonus points to bags with material that actually absorbs inpact force, although it's typically destructive (think the foam inside helmets, or crumple zones in cars).

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    16. Re:I think this is great by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Something I've always found strange is that laptop carrying cases don't ever seem to advertise how well they PROTECT the laptop,"

      If people were more concerned with the protection of hardware than with how it looks, a lot more people would be wearing pocket protectors.

    17. Re:I think this is great by BeerCat · · Score: 1

      You can show that sort tons o' data to prove that by every reasonable measure of usefulness for a laptop, including toughness, you get more for your money from Apple than from any Wintel vendor, and they still won't believe you.

      Would they believe that their PC uses Apple patents?

      http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1= PT O2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r =2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1='free+fall'.TTL.&OS= TTL/%22free+fall%22&RS=TTL/%22free+fall%22

      (Thanks to an article in Macformat for the clue)

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    18. Re:I think this is great by paxil · · Score: 1

      Dunbar is 100 percent correct on this.
      A couple of common examples of physics at work,
      at the same scale he describes (1.0mm to 20mm),
      are motorcycle helmets and boxing gloves, which
      both work quite well.

    19. Re:I think this is great by paxil · · Score: 1

      Bonus points to bags with material that actually absorbs inpact force, although it's typically destructive (think the foam inside helmets, or crumple zones in cars).


      Um, No.
      It is only important to reduce the acceleration of the object you are trying to protect.

      Of course, I understand that force and acceleration differ only by a scaling factor (Newton's second law: F=mA). Describing "impact force" as being "absorbed" make no sense, just as it makes no sense to describe "acceleration" as being "absorbed," just as it makes no sense to describe "temperature" as being "absorbed."

      Remember that first chapter in your physics book, where they talked about "intensive" versus "extensive" properties?

      This is like that.

      Maybe you meant to say "energy?" Maybe not.

    20. Re:I think this is great by Pfhor · · Score: 1

      well, beside the brittleness of the lcd screen, iBooks are actually very durable. Most powerbooks are actually, i've seen some fall down an entire flight of stairs, while on, without taking much damage (just a scratch on a case). I've seen the old clamshell ibooks be thrown around in the back of school bus while traveling in mexico. The iceBooks are a little less rugged, cause of their size, but are still damn hefty compared to the cheap plastic feel of most PC laptops. Granted, its not a replacement for a toughbook, but for portable machines, they are ranked pretty high up there in toughness.

    21. Re:I think this is great by CowboyMeal · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'll get a toughbook and enjoy my 5 inches of screen for a miserably long time.

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    22. Re:I think this is great by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      Well, that's true, but it's still worth saying. My new iBook is GORGEOUS! And, it's letting me kill off my windows PC finally, which is going to please me to no end.

      Just looking at the thing makes me happy. I mean, above and beyond the durability, the apps, and everything it does, man, it just plain looks good.

      I've got an older 300Mhz blueberry iBook for travelling, too, which I've had for a few years. That one's going strong too.

      Ya gotta love Apple. They sure know how to put a computer together...

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    23. Re:I think this is great by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Would they believe that their PC uses Apple patents?

      The patent being... "Method and apparatus for detecting free fall"

      It shows is how lax the US patent office is in granting patents for something so trivial. :)

      I've been thinking of this for some while. The problem with Apple's method is that while you can detect free-fall using sensors, it does not take care of rides on boats or airplanes, where force may exceed 1 G momentarily. Aircraft turbulence can cause enough "false positive" events to exhaust the gas canister.

      A better heuristic is the appliance determining whether enough of its surface area is in contact with another entity (say, using a touch or pressure sensitive skin on the appliance). If it is in contact, it won't inflate, even if acceleration > 1 G. If it senses not enough contact, it inflates.

      So, your laptop would allow you to say, bang it to it's destruction (as long as it felt your contact). However, if you threw or otherwise let go of it, it would inflate the airbag.

  7. But I want.. by adeyadey · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..pix of the crash test dummies when they smash the laptops into walls at 40 mph..

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  8. Just use old hard drives! by c_oflynn · · Score: 1

    I had an old laptop (486 33Mhz) once, and the hard drive door on it was broken... and all that held the hard drive in was hard friction pretty much, and a little button that didn't always work.

    Needless to say, a hard jab could disconnect the hard drive, and even have it fall out of the laptop.

    The HD failed eventually... but after many a trips to the floor! Only hit concrete a few times, mostly hit carpet. When it failed it was just sitting there, but I guess it couldn't take the abuse :p

    1. Re:Just use old hard drives! by bpd1069 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The HD failed eventually... but after many a trips to the floor! Only hit concrete a few times, mostly hit carpet. When it failed it was just sitting there, but I guess it couldn't take the abuse :p

      Two Words...

      DUCT TAPE

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  9. What if it misfires? by IgD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have been playing the latest and greatest video game for a few hours when you make a mistake and pound the keyboard. The hardrives senses it and locks you down without saving. Whoops.

    1. Re:What if it misfires? by Nevo · · Score: 1

      That would be no different than the recent IBM DeathStar drives, now would it?

    2. Re:What if it misfires? by c_oflynn · · Score: 2, Funny

      You have been playing the latest and greatest video game

      It would be brutal to lose all your hard work at a game, the economic loss would be unrecoverable.

    3. Re:What if it misfires? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny
      You have been playing the latest and greatest video game for a few hours when you make a mistake and pound the keyboard. The hardrives senses it and locks you down without saving. Whoops.

      These systems have a custom BIOS routine that handles just that case. It blanks the screen and displays:

      TILT
      Game Over

      in 3-inch tall letters.

    4. Re:What if it misfires? by Geekenstein · · Score: 4, Informative

      I highly doubt IBM would make this technology a "dead stop" measure. More than likely, the drive that parks itself in a 10th of a second also returns itself to operation just as quickly once the conditions return to normal. I'd say it's similar to setting your HD to spin down after inactivity, but the platters don't even have to stop turning, just the read arms move out of the way to prevent a head crash. More than likely you wouldn't notice this protective measure kicking in, which is just how it should be.

    5. Re:What if it misfires? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
      You have been playing the latest and greatest video game for a few hours when you make a mistake and pound the keyboard. The hardrives senses it and locks you down without saving. Whoops.

      Dear IgD,

      Yikes! We hadn't even considered a scenario where the laptop might be bumped during a read/write operation! Looks like it's back to the drawing board for us!

      Kisses,
      The IBM engineers who designed APS

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    6. Re:What if it misfires? by inburito · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um. Head parking is not a permanent state requiring a reboot to get out of!

      In fact you can have an unsaved text document open and after some inactivity the head in the laptop drive will get parked automatically. With modern mobile hard drives this is likely to happen in as little as 30sec of idling. This does not in any way mean that your data is lost. Once you have the need to use the hard drive heads (for purposes such as saving data) they will be unparked promptly.

      i/o systems generally have some notion of buffering and can also cope with latencies (just think of a network socket) so that even in the case of a blocking write operation no data is lost even if the said blocking will take any measurable period of time.

    7. Re:What if it misfires? by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      Any PC (desktop and laptop) made in the last 5 years can set the power saving to spin down the hard drives after inactivity. It's completely harmless to the OS. It'll pause if it's waiting for disk data, but it resumes once the drives spin up. IBM's feature only parks the heads, not spin down the drive, and it'll resume even faster because it's just seeking the head, not stopping and starting the spindle motor.

    8. Re:What if it misfires? by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      That's what RAM is for. Buffer your interaction with the data until the HDD comes back online. Problem solved.

    9. Re:What if it misfires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8MB cache Anyone?

  10. I wonder if you'll be able to have an optional by Sir+Haxalot · · Score: 1

    upgrade here, at the 'build your own' IBM laptop part of the website.

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  11. Yay! I think... by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope this thing isn't too sensitive - it would be quite annoying if a bumpy car ride or turbulence on an airplane would interrupt any hard drive activity...

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    1. Re:Yay! I think... by mnemonic_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sure IBM's engineers have IQ's that are at least 25.

    2. Re:Yay! I think... by mgoff · · Score: 1

      I hope this thing isn't too sensitive - it would be quite annoying if a bumpy car ride or turbulence on an airplane would interrupt any hard drive activity...

      Why? If the plane or car ride is so bumpy that your drive might be damaged, wouldn't you prefer a temporary "drive not ready" message instead of a permanent one? It's not really like an airbag in that it's a one-shot deployment-- it just parks the drive when it senses problems.

    3. Re:Yay! I think... by StarFace · · Score: 1

      A head knocking the platter during use rare does enough damage to completely hose the drive. At worse you get a few bad blocks, the controller notes them and omits them from the allocation table. You might have a little data loss, save the file from the buffer a second time and it will be fine as the bad block(s) will be skipped. It was more of an issue before dynamic block de-allocation. The only time that happened was during a format, so if you got a mess of bad blocks over a few years without formating, it could potentially screw up your system enough to require a reformat.

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    4. Re:Yay! I think... by mgoff · · Score: 1

      A head knocking the platter during use rare does enough damage to completely hose the drive. At worse you get a few bad blocks, the controller notes them and omits them from the allocation table.

      Not true. Three "bad" things happen when the head crashes:

      1) Media damage: If the platter is rotating, you can get a long score which may impact multiple tracks depending upon head design and if there was lateral acceleration.

      2) Head damage: The head is an aerodynamic semiconductor. They really do "fly" over the media. Damage to the head can impact flight characteristics and B-field emissions (including shape and intensity).

      3) Dirty environment: Those pieces that came off the platter and head have to go somewhere. Maybe you're lucky and they hit (and stick) to the top plate or arm or other noncritical surface. Or, maybe they float around for a while and eventually land on the head or media. This can cause transient errors (include block reassigns) bad enough to exhaust your reserved reassign area.

      You might have a little data loss, save the file from the buffer a second time and it will be fine as the bad block(s) will be skipped.

      If you're doing a write when you encounter the bad block, you're right. If you're doing a read, you're hosed.

    5. Re:Yay! I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice grammar you inbred.

  12. fsck by jnguy · · Score: 2

    Hm, if only there was something where it would switch to a backup battery for the harddrive to spin down, so that you don't have to fsck if you use ext2, That would be something I wouldn't mind purchasing.

    1. Re:fsck by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      You would still have to fsck if you turn off your computer without syncing and unmounting you disks.
      Or maybe you were refering to the temporary parking of the head?
      But that only lasts for a short moment.
      If you're in the middle of a read or write, it will be held up for a little and then continue.

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  13. What about Windows Crashes? by Tebriel · · Score: 1

    Can they create an air for when Windows crashes? I'd like my computer to be safe from those too!

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  14. Antilock Caps has been Activated by use_compress · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will soon appear under an LED on the new Thinkpad's keyboard.

  15. I hope it can be reversed. by DrFlex · · Score: 0



    Without having to take the drive to an Intel garage.

    1. Re:I hope it can be reversed. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      Dude, just flip the switch in the trunk and your fuel pump's back online in 30 seconds!

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  16. Priorities... by CycleMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you mean that if I cause a traffic accident while coding, this will keep me from losing my data even when my brains splatter across the windshield? Cool...

  17. Sure, but what about terminal velocity? by Target+Practice · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see how this would help if you dropped it from a table, or your briefcase, but what do they have to help the laptop that reaches its terminal velocity? It's not accelerating, so it'll unlock the drive, and then SLAM! your data's gone! Skydiving with a satellite connection may not be popular at IBM, but hey, think of the rest of us, you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:Sure, but what about terminal velocity? by updog · · Score: 1
      I think you're mistaken - it's going to detect the change in acceleration the instant the laptop hits the ground, then activate the "airbag". It doesn't matter if the laptop was falling at terminal velocity or not.

    2. Re:Sure, but what about terminal velocity? by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 1

      If your laptop reaches terminal velocity, the survival of the hard drive head is going to be the least of the problems with that thing once it decelerates.

    3. Re:Sure, but what about terminal velocity? by dr2chase · · Score: 1

      Depends upon what sort of brains they put into it. They could put a whole-hog inertial guidance system into it (just like an ICBM) and integrate accleration over time to get velocity. If the laptop is moving down fast....

    4. Re:Sure, but what about terminal velocity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a laptop is travelling at its terminal velocity, it doesn't matter if the drive is parked, or madly swapping 2 gigabytes of porn -- when it hits the ground the whole thing is going to be demolished and its parts scattered hither and thither.

    5. Re:Sure, but what about terminal velocity? by GoRK · · Score: 1

      If it reaches terminal velocity and you expect it to survive, then presumably there is some external mechanism for slowing it back down such that it can survive. I would also presume that if it starts slowing down too fast to keep working, the mechanism would engage during deceleration as well.

    6. Re:Sure, but what about terminal velocity? by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      ...what do they have to help the laptop that reaches its terminal velocity? It's not accelerating, so it'll unlock the drive, and then SLAM! your data's gone! Skydiving with a satellite connection may not be popular at IBM, but hey, think of the rest of us, you insensitive clod!

      If, when skydiving, you're still travelling at a high terminal velocity when you hit the ground, then your laptop hard drive's condition should be the least of your worries.

      What do you want, a hard drive that deploys its own 'chute?

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  18. how many... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2, Insightful

    how many Laptop Harddisks have been damaged due this very specific problem of the head not being parked(?).during a deacceleration. Does it add any mechanical stability to the harddisk ? What if the hard disk breaks in two pieces ?

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    1. Re:how many... by RomikQ · · Score: 1

      I think most damage is done when the head skips down and scratches the platter.

      Of course this won't protect the hdd from a hit strong enough to cause some mechanical damage, but in that case it should at least make sure the data is still on the drive.

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    2. Re:how many... by SeanTobin · · Score: 5, Insightful
      how many Laptop Harddisks have been damaged due this very specific problem of the head not being parked(?).during a deacceleration. Does it add any mechanical stability to the harddisk ? What if the hard disk breaks in two pieces ?
      A good deal more than you would think. Ever have a bad sector on your hard drive? Ever know about bad sectors on your hard drive? Those are two very different questions.

      Modern hard drives have extra space available on them reserved for remapping sectors that fail. The drive can detect these failing as the voltages from the heads fall when reading data. At the first sign of this, the drive logic reads the data, moves it off to a reserved sector, maps it internaly, and goes on about its business. Now, there are a few things that can cause this.

      First off, there is straight manufacturing errors. Less common than they used to be (hdd's used to come with tables of bad sectors printed on thier label) but they do happen.

      Now, they can also occour when a read head is literaly floating microns above a spinning platter revolving at around 3000 rpm's. Whack that drive with a hammer and the head could contact the media, effectively scratching the disk. Depending on the severity there may be no damage, a bad sector could begin to form, the head could be damaged, or the drive could be shattered to bits.

      Moving the head off the platter (or towards the center depending on thier parking mechanics) will almost eliminate problems resulting from the head contacting the media.

      Now, parking the head will not add any stability to the drive, but it will greatly increase the g's a drive can experience before being damaged.

      If your disk breaks into two pieces, you are going to need to call these people.
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    3. Re:how many... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      If your disk breaks into two pieces, you are going to need to call these people.

      If your disk breaks in two pieces you better have a backup or go crying home to mommy. I will bet large sums of money that disks with any significant amounts of physical damage aren't going to be recovered by those clowns, nor any other commercial data recovery service. That means warps, scratches, cracks... If you can't spin it with a head within the original calibrated distance from the surface, those guys and their competitors aren't getting anything off the disk. All those stories they tell about the fires and the flooding never mention what condition the disk platters are in when they start the recovery...

    4. Re:how many... by nullard · · Score: 1

      Take a look at these and say that again.

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    5. Re:how many... by Andorion · · Score: 1

      How about you take a look at those first =) They show damaged computers, but the PLATTERS are still perfectly intact, as is the drive itself. Noone's going to recover data from a cracked platter.

      ~Berj

    6. Re:how many... by micromechanic · · Score: 1


      There are usually two types of failures in hard-drives associated with external shock. One of which is the head going of track and writing to the wrong sector. This type of error can commonly occur if the laptop is accelerated (Less that 50-100m/s^2), perpendicular to the head arm. This is protected in a typical laptop drive by a shock sensor, that generates a write-inhibit signal if a shock in that range is detected. Some desktop drives also have this sensor (They reduce warranty returns on HDD failure while the computer moved around by the user to the "right place")

      The second type of failure which IBM sensor protects against is something called "free fall". If a laptop falls off a desk. A zero-G signal is detected before the laptop hits the ground. This Zero-G signal indicating the free fall of the laptop is used to pre-emptively park the HDD head before the crash. This is the reason the HDD have to have a park time spec. Note that the shock sensor on the HDD cannot protect against such a shock.

      BTW, these "free-fall" sensors are imperative for portable HDD applications.

      How many people fried the drive on an iPod?

    7. Re:how many... by rossifer · · Score: 1

      Before hard drives are allowed out of secured facilities, the HD platters must be fully shredded, as in completely ground to dust. Before, they just required that the multiply overwritten platters be broken into pieces smaller than .1"x.1", but then one of those data recovery houses arranged for a dramatic demonstration.

      It took them slightly more than a month to put the pieces of a fully "demilled" disk back together and recover something like 30% of the original data from the disk, including multiple complete files.

      So now the US military requires that every platter is pretty much ground to dust before being allowed out of a secure container. Rather impressive machine, actually.

      Regards,
      Ross

  19. How fast... by AtOMiCNebula · · Score: 1

    ...does a laptop hard drive have to accelerate until data loss/corruption occurs? I have a laptop, and I routinely carry it around my house, and the only thing I've noticed when I'm carrying it is the DVD drive if it's spinning at full/normal speed, the drive makes scratchy/unbalanced noises.

    Obviously, I'm typing this now on my laptop, and nothing is wrong. I've never broken anything carrying it around. I've also used my laptop while in the car, and my parent's jerky driving doesn't cause any problems.

    How much acceleration is necessary for problems to occur??

    1. Re:How fast... by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      It's not the acceleration, it's the sudden and complete deceleration. Ie; when your elbow knocks it off the corner of your desk, or the plane hits some turbulence and it bounces out into the aisle.

      As for how much it takes? Do something HDD intensive, wait till that lights blinking like crazy, then see how hard you need to punch your case to fuck it up. It isn't that hard.

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    2. Re:How fast... by AtOMiCNebula · · Score: 2, Insightful

      while it's interesting to know the computer's limits...well, I'd prefer to learn the limits without harming/destroying the computer ;)

    3. Re:How fast... by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      There are usually fancy technical ratings on a products spec pages, stuff like acceptable voltage and temperature ranges, shock and vibration ranges, etc, etc..

      Though it's sensible to simply get in the habit of not bonking your machine around too much.

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  20. Its already getting slow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


    Topics > Systems > Notebooks >

    IBM Updates ThinkPads

    New notebooks feature built-in hard drive protection.

    Tom Sullivan, InfoWorld.com
    Monday, October 06, 2003
    IBM on Monday is adding two systems to its ThinkPad roster of notebooks and boosting the capabilities of several others.

    Big Blue is releasing the R50 and T41 models, both of which come with a new Active Protection System that is designed to better protect hard drives.

    Comparing APS to automobile air bags, IBM officials explained that the system can detect sudden motion--such as the notebook being dropped or jerked because of a kicked power cord--and react by stabilizing the head of the hard drive.

    "APS is a microchip that we put on the system board that senses acceleration. It parks the head of a hard drive inside a tenth of a second. You get four times greater impact with APS than you do without it," said Joe Doria, manager of IBM's ThinkPad product line.

    Doria added that APS will protect the data in a hard drive, and IBM hopes it will reduce downtime and support costs.

    Additional Details
    In addition to APS, the R50 is available in 14- and 15-inch models. The systems weigh in at fewer than 6 pounds, and IBM claims are capable of a battery life reaching nearly 10 hours.

    Customers can elect to use the Intel Centrino chip in the R50 and T41 notebooks, Doria said, as well as integrated 802.11 a/b/g wireless functionality.

    Big Blue also upgraded the X31, R40, R40e, and G40 models with faster processors and integrated wireless technology.

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  21. perfect laptop by SHEENmaster · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Does anyone know of a laptop that can run while closed (warwalking), has SXGA or better resolution, is reasonable light, and doesn't rely on centrino or other non-Linux garbage?

    On a relevant enote, it might be worthwhile for them to toss solid-state storage on the motherboard through a usb interface. 256mB wouldn't significantly add to costs, but could garuntee that important data would survive.

    I suspect that the majority of damaged files on laptops occurs as a result of power failures rather than as a result of laptop frizbee.

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    1. Re:perfect laptop by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know of a laptop that can run while closed (warwalking), has SXGA or better resolution, is reasonable light, and doesn't rely on centrino or other non-Linux garbage?

      I've used older Toshibas while being extremely mobile without any issue. They also have very good Linux support.

      I have a Toshiba Satellite that the hard drive just burned out on, and needs a new keyboard controller. It has a 15" screen, nVidia GeForce 2 go. I'll sell it for parts for $250. I got the keyboard controller priced here for $150 at the local Toshiba repair shop. No clue on the hard drive, but any laptop hard drive "should" work.

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    2. Re:perfect laptop by Tyrdium · · Score: 1

      I think for a good deal of laptops the going into standby mode is software-based. On this IBM T40 I'm typing on, I can open up the power control panel, go to advanced, and change it to "do nothing" when I close the lid (yes, I'm using Windows... I'm required to...). I'm not sure if there's a similar option in Linux, but I'd assume there is. It weighs about 4-5 pounds, and has a good battery life. It's got a Pentium M, and I'm using the Intel 802.11b card, but you can also get it with a Cisco card if you so choose. Also, they give really nice educational discounts...

    3. Re:perfect laptop by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 1
      Centrino ain't so bad. I have a Centrino laptop (the VAIO Z1A, too bad it appears to have been discontinued after a lackluster run this spring/summer), and the 2.6.0 kernel supports it well for most things. There are three things not supported: (1) the built-in wireless [which can be replaced -- it's a miniPCI card], (2) actual ACPI sleep modes, (3) shutdown leaves the machine powered up (kernel crashes instead of powering down). Everything else -- screen brightness, all the gizmoes including the losemodem, CPU throttling, wireless over PCMCIA -- seems to work just fine.


      Oh, and you can indeed leave it running with the screen closed (though the hardware seems to switch off the screen illumination in that case).

  22. Dammit! That's my idea! by xyote · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I filed a disclosure at IBM (Kingston, NY) in the early 90's on this exact idea. The problem was during the review it was clear that nobody at Kingston knew anything or was interested in disk drive technology (San Jose did the disk drives then), so it was a no go on the idea. The disclosure is on file, IBM keeps paperwork forever.

    Interestingly enough, Connor came out with a disk drive 6 months later that did something similar, but it just cut write current rather than park the heads.

  23. Isn't this dangerous? by tbase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even at under a tenth of a second, if it senses acceleration (you drop it) and the heads are in the process of moving across the platter to the park position at impact (it hits the floor), wouldn't that increase the chances of a large scratch as opposed to a small nick?

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    1. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by Fuzzy_The_Quantum_Du · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even worse. Think about the poor unsusptecting souls that attempt to use this in a car/train/bus/airplane/whatever. You will be accelerating quickly quite often while in a vehicle, and the laptop is not actually in any danger, but you are trying to get your work done. Just have to wait untill the next red-light/airport/train-stop I guess Fuzzy The Quantum Duck

    2. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by PhuCknuT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Assuming a complete release and freefall, .1 seconds is enough time to drop only 5cm. So assuming they use 1G as the acceleration limit to set it off, there's little chance of it still being in the process of parking the head when it hits the ground, unless you only drop it 5cm, in which case it the impact won't likely be enough to do damage anyway. Also, that 0.1 seconds isn't the time it takes the head to park itself, it's the total reaction time. The heads move very fast, and the actual time it takes to park is going to be closer to 5ms. So the odds of the impact with the ground happening exactly during those 5ms are fairly low. All in all, the odds of this system actually causing more damage than would be done without it are very very low.

    3. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by liquidzero4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no way that if you drop your computer from five feet that it'll hit the floor faster than 1/10 of a second. By the time it hits the heads have bee parked. 9.8 Meters/Sec ^ 2 Right.....Do the math

    4. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by PhuCknuT · · Score: 1

      They don't mention the acceleration that is needed to set off this system, but if it's intended to prevent damage from drops it's probably near 1G. Your car doesn't accelerate 1G unless you hit something. 1G is 0-60mph in under 3 seconds.

    5. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps we should suggest that they actually test their idea in a lab environment to make sure that it is effective before they release it to the public. I'm sure that they didn't think about that.

    6. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by Fuzzy_The_Quantum_Du · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Obviously you haven't driven with my Mother! ;0) Airplanes definatly do hit 1G, but you are not really supposed to use those during takeoff and landing. Also from the Original poster: "Active Protection System (APS) is a microchip put on the system board that senses acceleration." Cheers, Duck

    7. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by dunedan · · Score: 1

      This all depends on how high a threshold they set to park the heads. If, as some have suggested, it is 1G then the drive, sensing a fall would be parked by the time it hit. I think however that 1G is may be far too small a limit.

      Also That would mean tracking G-force changes not absolute G's which will be significantly harder since in free fall

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    8. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by Xenoproctologist · · Score: 1

      I would think that, with the platters spinning at several thousand RPM, a large scratch would be something of a given.

    9. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by zx75 · · Score: 1

      1/10th of a second corresponds to a drop of 5cm, or about 2-3 inches
      d = 1/2*a*t^2
      d = 1/2*9.8*(0.1^2)
      d = 4.9*0.01
      d = 0.049m = 4.9cm = ~2.3 inches or so.
      A drop of 2.3 inches of a laptop isn't generally enough to damage the harddrive through scratching, even if the heads are moving. If the drop is any larger than 5cm, the heads are already parked and you have no worries.

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    10. Re:Isn't this dangerous? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      MILITARY aircraft can exceed 1 g accelerations, but passenger aircraft? Not with a load of meat and cargo, they can't.

      Anyhow, impact accelerations are on the order of tens or hundreds of g's, so any engineer with two brain cells to knock together would have already designed the mechanism to ignore "small" accelerations, and pay attention only to big hits.

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  24. Did he really mean... by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    "You get four times greater impact with APS than you do without it,"

    !!!!!!

    I'm guessing he meant it can survive impacts up to four times as strong, or four times as many impacts.

    But I'm also wondering how true that is. A 10th of a second seems awfully slow...

  25. I don't get it by amightywind · · Score: 1

    ...which has a similar concept to airbags in cars.

    I don't see how this will prevent head injuries for laptop users.

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    1. Re:I don't get it by Tisephone · · Score: 0

      Office workers will no longer bash their brains out against the copier when the presentation they worked on for a month is corrupted irretrievably fifteen minutes before the executive meeting.

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  26. So what's next?? by lh0628 · · Score: 1

    "Real" cup holders??

  27. I lost a hard drive in transport by civilengineer · · Score: 1

    When I was moving, I shipped my computer to the new address and when I tried to boot up my computer at the new location, it made a cranky noise and did not work. I lost all my mp3s that I collected right from the days of napster :(
    I think the vibrations and shocks that the machine gets during the journey are a little too intense for the hard-disk to handle and thus, this Air-bag idea sound good to me. But, hey, I'm not the type who pays a price equal to the price of the disk itself for the air-bag. So, they better make it inexpensive.

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    1. Re:I lost a hard drive in transport by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      We ship PCs all over the place to various sites.

      One of those removable IDE/USB enclosures is like 20 bucks. Take the drive out, carry it with you, put it back in when you get there.

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    2. Re:I lost a hard drive in transport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you did a poor job of packing it.

    3. Re:I lost a hard drive in transport by Penguinshit · · Score: 1


      I once carried ten hard drives to a trade show in Switzerland and back. You entomb the bastards in foam and don't let the airport securitard run it through the XRay machine (they can use those little swipe pads to check for nitrites). All the drives survived nicely.

      The head of Shipping&Receiving at that company wanted to just ship the drives inside the computers (which were in turn packed inside of large crates with a bunch of other tradeshow hardware). I politely declined that offer...

    4. Re:I lost a hard drive in transport by BlacKat · · Score: 1

      The X-Ray machine will not do a thing to any electronic equipment.

      Trust me, I've travelled over the atlantic ocean three times with the following in one carry on bag:

      SGI 1600SW Flatpanel Monitor
      Mainboard and RAM
      Hard Drives, and CD-R Drive
      Various PCI Cards

      In anohter bag I also had my AIBO... they made me run that thru the X-Ray machine 5 times and then turn him on! The guard confessed afterwords that the X-Ray machine was sufficient, they just wanted to see Lilo move around. ;)

      I was also permitted to take both bags on board with me because there was no way I was putting them through normal baggage handling!

    5. Re:I lost a hard drive in transport by hughk · · Score: 1
      Back in the old days when an 80MB drive was as big as the box that a laptop comes in, we had a shipping problem too.

      I was working at a large plant with a central goods receiving dept. The drive arrived at the computer centred in a mid height rack, boxed but heavily dented. (i.e., through the carton). We refused to take it and the installation engineer waiting for it was very upset. The receiving dept had accepted the box and didn't understand why we didn't want to take it.

      We later found out that amongst the things coming between receiving and the computer room were several cases of beer and a fork lift truck. It is hard making drives proof against drunken drivers!!!!

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  28. Finally.... by TimeForGuinness · · Score: 2, Funny

    When my computer crashes, at least I'll have something soft to protect my head from banging it in frustration.

  29. Air bag is a poor analogy for this feature. by UrgleHoth · · Score: 1

    The only similiarity is that it uses an accelerometer as a trigger to park the head.
    But it is an analogy that will probably stick because it is easy to visualize, even if it is wrong.

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  30. Um.... by brsmith4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who gives a shit about the hard drives, did you hear about the battery life that these bitches were supposedly putting out? 10 hours? That's unreal. Granted, the hard drive improvements are great, but you can't beat 10 hour battery life.

    1. Re:Um.... by illumin8 · · Score: 1

      That's after you've removed your optical drive and fitted a second battery. Then, you get a theoretical maximum of 10 hours battery life. Real world I would only expect 6 hours tops with both batteries (3 hours per battery).

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    2. Re:Um.... by jcbphi · · Score: 0, Troll

      ...these bitches...? You are an offensive fuck.

      Cheers,
      -J

    3. Re:Um.... by addaon · · Score: 1

      Eh. 10 hours with two batteries doesn't impress me too much... I get 7 hours with one battery under ideal conditions, 6 hours under actual conditions (writing code, so edit/compile/test cycle), and 4 hours under horrendous conditions (photon tracing), on a computer that cost me less than $1000.

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    4. Re:Um.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of curiosity, what computer would that be?

    5. Re:Um.... by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 1

      you can't beat 10 hour battery life

      Yeah you can. How about 10 hours and ONE MINUTE? Huh? Huh!

    6. Re:Um.... by addaon · · Score: 1

      iBook 600MHz, with software over/underclocking to dynamically switch in the range 200-900MHz. (Would be 1GHz, but the processor just can't handle it stably except in winter.)

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  32. Re:Dammit! That's my idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you sound like Al Gore

  33. I see it now by not_a_george · · Score: 1

    tech support:sir, this hard drive is not recomended for use on airplanes, fast cars, or trains.We do not recommend traveling at all with any laptop with this setup.

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  34. Aka "The Sierra Lesson"... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Save early, save often. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you're too young.

    Kjella

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    1. Re:Aka "The Sierra Lesson"... by juhaz · · Score: 1

      Too young?

      If anything, that's even more pronounced these days when all the game publishers tend to think that customers are GREAT beta testers and deadlines are WAY more important than quality.

    2. Re:Aka "The Sierra Lesson"... by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 2, Informative

      The reason for that is Sierra games were written by a bunch of professional sadists.

      It wasn't just the cruel timing puzzles. It wasn't just trying to type GIVE CUBE PUZZLE TO LABION TERROR BEAST before being Tasmanian Deviled. It wasn't having to walk treacherous mountain paths or doing arcade sequences. It was not even tripping over a stupid cat and falling 2 steps ... and dying.

      It was the Your Game Is Hopeless and You Don't Know It scenario.

      The one that comes to mind is King's Quest 5. If you don't get the *mumble* in the very first area of the game, you can't get to the island castle at the end. (Actually, there were a lot in that one. Another one involved a leg of lamb and a pie...)

      Modern gaming does many things wrong, but at least you don't find out at the end of Half-Life that you missed the switch in Unforeseen Consequences which would have activated the button in Power Up which would have set off the explosives on the cliffside in Surface Tension, which would have revealed the cave which had the keycard inside that you needed to activate the elevator in Lambda Core.

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    3. Re:Aka "The Sierra Lesson"... by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but that's not what he meant. Sierra games were pretty bug-free, I think, but they tended to make it obscenely easy to die.

      Of course, I'm too young too, so I could be wrong.

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    4. Re:Aka "The Sierra Lesson"... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I wasn't the only one who cursed Roberta Williams' "game design by frustration".

      God, I ///hated/// those games.

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  35. 10th of a second? by demonbug · · Score: 1

    Does that seem a little slow to anyone else? If, to use the example in the article, I were to trip on the power cord thereby rapidly accelerating the computer, it seems like the damage would be done in less than 1/10th of a second. Also, it would be nice to see what kind of acceleration is needed for this system to activate - if I just drop it, will the relatively low 1G of acceleration cause the system to activate, or will it wait to try to activate until the laptop hits the floor (at which point the laptop stops in what I would guess is considerably less than a tenth of a second). 1G acceleration seems like a rather low threshold, and 1/10 of a second too slow a response if a higher threshold were to be used.

    1. Re:10th of a second? by liquidzero4 · · Score: 1

      Remeber gravitational acceleration on earth is 9.8 Meters/Sec ^ 2. If you do the math and drop the computer from 5 feet it takes longer than 1/10 of second to hit the ground. do the math....

    2. Re:10th of a second? by PhuCknuT · · Score: 1

      1G is no small amount of acceleration. That's 0-60 in under 3 seconds, no car or train is going to do that unless it's in an accident. A laptop will never reach 1G in normal operation, and if it does the time to park or unpark is only a few ms, you'd probably not even notice. Also, in freefall 0.1 seconds is only enough time to drop 5cm, which means this should provide extra protection for any drop more than 5cm. Less than that the drive is likely to not be damaged at all anyway. I don't see any downside to this, it's just extra protection.

    3. Re:10th of a second? by demonbug · · Score: 1

      The drop is much longer than 1/10th of a second, but my point was that if the mere 1G of acceleration during the drop activates the system then it seems like it could be activated many times when it is not needed. However, if 1G does not activate the system, then it will be the impact that activates it, which will probably be much quicker than 1/10th of a second.

    4. Re:10th of a second? by demonbug · · Score: 1

      0-60 in 3 seconds is very quick, and you're right, it would not be normal acceleration in a car or train. But what about vertical acceleration in cars, or in airplanes? Do you know what kind of acceleration there is when you hit a very bumpy spot in the road, or encounter turbulence in an airliner (or just normal manuevering in an airliner)? I'd guess you see accelerations at or near 1G fairly regularly. Heavy braking might also achieve the 1G of acceleration (I'd guess that many cars are capable of stopping from 60 mph in under 3 seconds, though I'm not positive) - of course, if you are doing a panic stop, it would probably be nice for the system to activate.

    5. Re:10th of a second? by PhuCknuT · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying the system will never go off unnecessarily, but really it will be rare and when it happens you probably won't even notice. How often do you use your laptop while experiencing 1G? I'd guess, for most people, never. Airplanes don't hit 1G in normal manuvering, not even on takeoff and landing. Think about it, if they hit 1G on landing you'd have most of your body weight pressing on the seatbelt, you'd remember something like that. Likewise in any other direction, your full body weight pressing in any direction other than into the seat isn't very comfortable.

      The time to park the head is tiny, as is the time to start it back up. Even if the system leaves it parked for a full second before restarting it, what are the odds that you'll even notice it? After all, you just experienced a 1G acceleration yourself, and even if your disk happened to be active at the precise moment, you're going to be distracted for a second anyway. =)

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  37. Finally! by MoceanWorker · · Score: 1

    I've already lost 2 Travelstar's and 2 Deskstar's to IBM's poor manufacturing of hard drives..

    Let's hope this will change things for the better.. and create, for once, reliability

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    1. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't going to help with poorly manufactured hard drives. It's for people with poorly manufactured brains who drop their laptops.

    2. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting something important..

      He has a brain, and you don't

  38. I've got a better name. by ed1park · · Score: 1

    Parks the head in a safe place?

    How about Turtle Tech! Catchy, no? Then how about TPS (Turtle Protection System)? :)

    Linux can have a penguin, Ibm can have a turtle!

    1. Re:I've got a better name. by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Ummmm yeah.

      You go ahead and make sure to put a cover sheet on your TPS report, mmkay?

      Great.

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  39. IBM - Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting that Apple has the patent on this

  40. Air Bags for Computers??? by HepCatA · · Score: 1

    Makes me think of the cartoon showing when "the network crashes".

    Everyone yells out obscenities, and then the air bags deploy from the monitors.

    Wish I had a link to it...

  41. repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USB or external keyboard + hard drive & you should be good to go!

    1. Re:repair by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      USB or external keyboard + hard drive & you should be good to go!

      The problem is with that is the keyboard controller is bad. This means it sends garbage to the system quite often. So while you are typing it will send a series of gibberish characters that screws everything all up.

      As long as you do not touch the actual system, an external keyboard will work and hold the space bar down while booting (otherwise it registers a keyboard failure.)

      It's an old system, and wasn't being used as a portable anymore and for the price of a new keyboard controller and hard drive I can build a new desktop system that will suit the needs of the person using it.

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  42. Fix Heat Issues first.. by FileNotFound · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not sure if this is still the case with IBM laptops today but my A20m had some really nasty overheating issues.

    The way it cools the CPU is via a tiny horizontaly mounted fan and a heatpipe running through a big aluminum block...which did virtualy nothing.

    Worse yet it was fairly common for that fan system to die. There was a controller card which regulated the fan based on the CPU temptriture. In my laptop that part failed three times during 2 years. Worse yet the ONLY way to fix it is to replace the mothereboard, $400 (the fan itself which can die is $50).

    I personaly find it odd that they're so concerend with HDs. I dropped that very same laptop numerous times and that never resulted in a damaged HD or even damaged plastic. (I can't say the same about Dell laptops)

    10 Hour battery life on the other hand is something I'm curious about.

    Also another HUGE weakness IMO are ports.

    Like keyboard, network, USB etc. On a PC those ports are used maybe 10 times a year, on a laptop several times a day, at times roughly.
    My current laptop can't play any sound because the 'sound out' port is broken (it's all made of plastic, cord got yanked sideways and the plug just shattered). A friend of mine has a useless laptop because the ethernet jack is broken. I have seen plenty of dell and IBM laptops where the powercable refuses to stay in.

    Personaly I'm baffled how the designers didn't see these issues comming.

    Fact is the laptops are NOT used gently for more than the first few days. Then they get tossed about and "ripped out" of networks at the end of a long day.

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    1. Re:Fix Heat Issues first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you are incredably tough on your laptops. None of the newer thinkpad's that I've tried have any sort of overheating issues. As a matter of fact, I've had a t23 encoding dvd's (100% cpu usage) for a week straight and I haven't had any overheating.

      The ports on the thinkpad are great, I've never had any problem with them, nor have I really seen anyone with problems with them in 4 years of helpdesk supporting them. What I see damage wise more than anything is the case cracking around the keyboard when they're dropped.

      I have however seen dozens of bad hard drives from being handled poorly, tossed on to beds while in the case, etc.

    2. Re:Fix Heat Issues first.. by Pfhor · · Score: 1

      The big issue I have with the ports on laptops is that in most cases, the point of connection (ie the only thing that is supporting it / holding it in place) is the solder to the mother board. This is especially true of power connectors. Hit the plug hard enough, and the port's solder is broken and you are screwed. Why they can't run a length of wire for that added flexibility, and attach the housing of the power port to something more rugged, is probably because it would add $5 to the manufacturing cost and a bunch of retooling. But it would still be nice to not have the "jiggle the plug and hold it until it charges" problem.

    3. Re:Fix Heat Issues first.. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Personaly I'm baffled how the designers didn't see these issues comming.

      Fact is the laptops are NOT used gently for more than the first few days. Then they get tossed about and "ripped out" of networks at the end of a long day.
      Personally, I'm baffled by users that treat U$1500.00+ laptops like they were U$15.00- transistor radios.
    4. Re:Fix Heat Issues first.. by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      In my laptop that part failed three times during 2 years.

      and later you say:

      I dropped that very same laptop numerous times and that never resulted in a damaged HD or even damaged plastic.

      Did it ever occur to you that dropping a laptop might be bad for the machine as a whole, not just the hard-drive? General laptop tip: If you want them to continue working...don't drop them.

      Personaly I'm baffled how the designers didn't see these issues comming.

      What? Users dropping them? Ripping connectors out by the wire? What the hell do you expect? Do you treat a desktop PC the same way?

  43. Re:Dammit! That's my idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Why are you wasting time posting? SUE!!!!!!!!!!!

  44. More to worry about by trainsnpep · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you're dropping a laptop, odds are you've more to worry about than just the hard drive. No? ;)

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  45. semantics by dubiousmike · · Score: 1

    Active Protection System (APS) is a microchip put on the system board that senses acceleration.

    What about decceleration? Like the sudden stop of hitting the pavement.

    1. Re:semantics by XJEEP.org · · Score: 2, Funny

      yeah, when it hits the floor would be a poor time to START parking the heads.

    2. Re:semantics by xyote · · Score: 1

      Actually, the accelerometer detectects the normal gravitational force (32 ft/sec2). When you drop it, it goes into free fall and the gravitational force becomes zero. It detects this and the disk drive parks its heads real quick before it very rapidly accelerates again when it hits the floor.

    3. Re:semantics by liquidzero4 · · Score: 1

      Sorry to say but droping things doesn't bring the gravetational force to 0. If the gravetaional force did become 0 the object would stop falling. It's most likly some sort of pizo electric acceleromoter. Nothing fancy.

    4. Re:semantics by electric_penguin · · Score: 1

      That would be negative accelleration. Which I'm sure it would also measure. But at that point it's a little late to do anything about it.

      It's the sudden acceleration that you are trying to detect. If you work on this end of the problem you'll have more time to do something about it.

    5. Re:semantics by xyote · · Score: 1
      As far as the falling object is concerned, the gravitational force (acceleration) appears to be zero. An accelerometer cannot detect the difference between a zero gravity environment like deep interstellar space, and a free fall environment.

      "Now here, you see, it takes all the running you can do to keep in the same place." Red Queen to Alice.

      Your move.

  46. This is Marketecture Bullshit by BroncoInCalifornia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have worked on hard drives and shock sensors. The retract time is far longer than the impact time. The impact of hitting the floor will be over in milliseconds. In that time, the heads will not even reach the ramp.

    The only thing that would offer real protection is to sense the 0 G condition when the computer is falling. It cost bucks to be sensitive enough to sense 0 G. It costs more bucks than anyone is willing to put into a mobo.

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    1. Re:This is Marketecture Bullshit by JZip · · Score: 1
      I don't think you're looking far enough.

      The first acceleration is the one (as noted in the article) where a network cable gets yanked and the box comes off the table. Will a 0.1 second reaction time to pull back the heads help?

      Let's see: the initial velocity (downward) is zero, so that simplifies things to half gravity times a tenth of a second squared--that'd be less than a foot, if I'm doing the math right.

      That's pretty good--I think that'll even catch a machine being knocked over on its side. (That's another problem, and I don't feel like doing the math right now.)

      This ain't academic: I have a friend who lost everything on many large drives to exactly this just last month, someone tripping over a badly-placed cable attached to a badly-placed box.

      (Yeah, yeah, shoulda backed up, shoulda placed the box better. I told him that, too. Very gently.)

      I'd be worried about false positives, especiallly on laptops, and given proper site prep, falling running boxes shouldn't happen, but this could be great for consumer boxes.

  47. Exploding Drives! by yintercept · · Score: 4, Funny

    Air bags have explosives in them!

    The honorable Senator Orrin Hatch should be interested in the project as it might help realize his dreams of exploding computers. You could use the explosives to save the disk when it is accelerated, or to blow up the computer when a copyright holder presses the self destruct.

    BTW, if they really are like airbags, the devices can only be used once. However, what realy matters with analogies in business press releases is to make investors think of other market successes, and not really about the product.

    1. Re:Exploding Drives! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      RTFA.... or at least the story headlines?

      It only locks the head to stop it from damaging the hard drive. That hardly has an explosive mechanism in it.

    2. Re:Exploding Drives! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's flamebait, sunny. He's been doing it for years. Just ignore him.

    3. Re:Exploding Drives! by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

      Orrin would be even happier than you know. The explosive pellet used in many airbag systems was developed at Thiokol Corp, maker of the solid rocket boosters used on the space shuttle. The division was sold and I believe ended up with Auto-Liv, but the plant in still in Utah.

    4. Re:Exploding Drives! by AMammenT · · Score: 1

      It's only the acceleration sensing technology that this device shares with airbags.

      In a vehicle, when the sensor detects sharp acceleration (60+ -> 0 in very little time), it triggers the explosive charge which deploys the airbag.

      Here, a similar sensor is used to actuate a different operation - "parking" the drive.

  48. Mars Lander Style by gearmonger · · Score: 1

    I want the laptop to sense when I've dropped it and deploy *external* airbags to absorb the impact. Now that would be cool. Plus, you could use it as a pillow the next time your flight is delayed for 17 hours.

  49. Sorry sir - no warranty repairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your airbags have been deployed, therefore you must have dropped the unit, which isn't covered by the warranty. but at least you have your data

  50. What I need even more by mrphrtq · · Score: 2, Funny

    What I really need is a microchip in my mouth which detects my foot approaching and can park my tongue in 1/10th of a second.

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    "Life has improved immeasurably since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." - Hunter S. Thompson
    1. Re:What I need even more by DaneelGiskard · · Score: 1

      So you kick yourself into the mouth often? ;)

  51. My laptop gets 24 hours battery life by RealAlaskan · · Score: 1
    My laptop gets 24 hours battery life on 4 AA batterys. Of course, it's a Tandy 102. Of course, it's not my primary laptop. It is still useful when I want to be able to do some writing on the go.

    The point is that we have become accustomed to absurdly short battery life in devices which are supposed to be portable.

  52. IBMs previous innovation by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    They did something innovative with parking on their deskstar HDs, where instead of the head hitting a landing zone on the disk it would exit off the side off the disk and park and then carefully come back in place when it was un-parked. Unfortunately the deskstar series had some major problems with HDs failing all over the place.

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  53. 200-300 milliseconds to Park by egoots · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to this article at Techweb, the head park time was not "specified" in IDE drives, so they had to get drive manufacturers to meet their 200-300 millisecond requirement...

    Thats a little slower than a 1/10 of a second.

  54. Just when I thought I forgot about MSDOS 3.3... by phaln · · Score: 1

    ...here comes the PARK command all over again You know, it's that little program from, well, around 1987 that parked a laptop's hard drive? Sounds like history's coming full circle.

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  55. Like baking a cake by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 1

    Don't bump the computer, I've got a CD burning and if the hard drive locks it'll messup the throughput.

  56. Re:Dammit! That's my idea! by xyote · · Score: 1
    >> Why are you wasting time posting? SUE!!!!!!!!!!!

    I was trying to figure out what the legal status on this would be. Technically, when they close a disclosure like this, it officially means IBM has no interest in the idea and I am free to do whatever I want with the idea (subject to no compete limitations). However, since I didn't do anything with the idea (publicly dislose it, patent it or whatever), IBM or any other company was free to reinvent it and do whatever they wanted with it.

    So, no grounds for sueing them. But I bet my personel file mysteriously disappears. :)

  57. airbags are for whimps by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

    That's the ticket! Why fuck around with pansie volvo airbags, when we can have the laptop call up satellite maps, figure out how far to the floor, and fire its RETRO ROCKETS!

    1. Re:airbags are for whimps by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      And I thought too much heat from the CPU was the worst thing that could happen to my groin...

  58. Re:Interesting problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    -- Snip --

    There are also a least a few time a year where an aircraft hits turbulance and looses 40,000 feet in seconds, and then coming to a jarring stop before gaining altitude again. Imagine overhead and underseat compartments exploding.

    -- Snip --

    Um, dude - if a plane drops 40,000 feet in seconds, it will not be gaining altitude again and you won't have to worry about overhead and underseat compartments exploding - just whether you dotted the "i"s and crossed the "t"s in your will...

    (See the last paragraph of this press release regarding the Boeing 737-800 - that is, an aircraft whose maximum cruising altitude is 41,000'.)

  59. thrustas by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1
    That's the ticket! Why **** around with pansie volvo airbags, when we can have the laptop call up satellite maps, figure out how far to the floor, and fire its RETRO ROCKETS!
    Once you have rockets on your laptop, why is it falling in the first place? Why not just instruct it to levitate in place unless you move it.
    1. Re:thrustas by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Because, since it's a LAPtop, that would mean that your crotch is on fire.

      No thanks.

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  60. Re:Interesting problems... by Lucretian · · Score: 1

    Did you read the article? It's not an actual inflating airbag that explodes, it's merely a comparison to an airbag. All the happens is the drive heads are stabilized to prevent a head crash.

  61. Re:Interesting problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are also a least a few time a year where an aircraft hits turbulance and looses 40,000 feet in seconds, and then coming to a jarring stop before gaining altitude again. Imagine overhead and underseat compartments exploding.

    Given that the speed of sound is roughly 1000 ft/sec, your plane would be doing what... Mach 8-10 in that turbulence? And given that most aircraft cruise at 30,000-35,000 ft, I would suspect that the jarring stop is from the plane hitting the ground.

  62. eoi asdihSALiod hsdfy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    asidu ;sodfijg; soid

  63. Old Compaq Armada 1750 by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

    I'm writing this on a Compaq Armada 1750. I upgraded mine to 320MB RAM, PIII 600MHz, and 40GB drive. It's got 2 type-II cardbus slots, your standard PC ports, a trackpad, nice keyboard, and a beautiful 1024x768 14.1" Active LCD. It runs linux REALLY well (just don't use ACPI if you want it to cool itself), and WinXP is actually pretty fast on it as well. You can swap out the hard drive (on it's own removable chassis) quite easily to switch from Linux to Windows to whatever drives. DVD-ROM and floppy at the same time (or extra battery instead of the floppy) for full desktop-replacement. I'm looking for a DVD-ROM/CD-RW module that will fit the front bezel, but that's another story.

    Did I mention that this thing is a total BEAST? You can toss it across the room and it still runs. I run mine in my car (no shocks, mind you) for MP3s. It's no lightweight, but it's built to last, not to carry.

    These can be had on eBay for about $250, mine would go for about $600 because of all the 'leet upgrades.

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  64. Re:Dammit! That's my idea! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Wow, I thought that all of Connor's drives just parked the heads right in the middle of writing, smack in the middle of the platter.

    *ZZZEEERERRRRRTT*

    "If it's a Connor, It's a goner."

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  65. IBM != data integrity by Laconian · · Score: 1
    I find it ironic that the very company that designed two consecutive generations of hard drives that have a propensity for failure touts the merits of their advances towards data integrity.

    I had a IBM Deskstar 75GXP and 60GXP fail on me, and believe me, I will never, EVER use another IBM hard drive. They gave me a hard time during the replacement process, and they never offered to recover my data. My productivity went into negative numbers as soon as my hard drives started making the click-bzzp of death (CBOP).

    DON'T BUY IBM HARD DRIVES!!!!!!!!!!

    1. Re:IBM != data integrity by andrewl6097 · · Score: 1

      IBM hard drives don't exist anymore. The HD in my thinkpad is a Hitachi. IBM sold their drive division.

  66. A lawsuit waiting to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens if your kid drops the laptop and the airbag deploys and suffocates him?

  67. asdf nkjasdhflkashdf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    asdfh asldf hasil;dfh asdf;aisd

  68. Hmmm by MasTRE · · Score: 1

    > Active Protection System (APS) is a microchip put on the system board that senses acceleration. It parks the head of a hard drive inside a tenth of a second, significantly reducing the risk of damage to data.

    Is this for those people that refer to themselves as having "big hands"? Cuz I sure as heck never had any data damage from normal use of any of my notebooks, and I've owned a few. Of course, I never dropped any of them while they were running. I guess it would be worthwhile for the data to be safe even if the rest of the notebook break. But then what if the chip goes berzerk and parks your heads constantly, dropping thruput to the 21st-century equiv of a 2400 bps modem? <g>

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  69. Why dont they put it on the HDD?!? by GoRK · · Score: 1

    It's good that this tech is coming down the line, but why in the hell is it going on the MOTHERBOARD instead of in the hard drive electronics where it belongs?!!?

    The answer, is, of course that if they keep it out of the HDD's then nobody else will be able to easily integrate the feature into their own notebooks.. Great for IBM selling thinkpads. Shitty for the consumer.

    Bah.

    1. Re:Why dont they put it on the HDD?!? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's because IBM doesn't make hard drives.

  70. Comments from a physicist by menscher · · Score: 1
    They didn't really say what's triggering it, but the obvious (and dumb) thing to do would be to trigger when it's experiencing 5G's or somesuch (impact). Yeah, you'd protect yourself against the second bounce, but it's probably too late.

    Much better would be to trigger when it's in freefall. When you're sitting on a desk, you feel 1G acceleration up. (Gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration, according to relativity.) So the laptop can detect when it's in free-fall, and park the heads. A reaction time of .1s allows it to fall (1/2)g*t^2 = 5cm. A drop of less than 5cm is unlikely to cause significant damage anyway.

    Of course, maybe this is what they're doing all along. The article wasn't very specific.

  71. Big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Panasonic Toughbook notebooks [http://www.panasonic.com/computer/notebook/] have had an impact absorbing gel around their hard drives for more than five years. Not as fancy as IBM's solution, but the U.S. Armed Forces (especially the Marines) and police departments have been using them and seem to like them. The Toughbooks also come with a magnesium alloy case and re-inforced LCD, all at about the same cost as a normal notebook.

    IBM seems to be suffering under the delusion that the complicated solution is the best. Nothing new for them I realize, but haven't they heard of K.I.S.S.???

  72. Marketing.... :( by dukoids · · Score: 0

    Am I correct to assume that the disk heads are parked anyway when the Laptop goes to sleep mode?

    So what is the probability of dropping a laptop *while using it* ?!?

    Is this really significant when compared to the probability of a deskstar/travelstar failure without external influence?

  73. How useful is this really? by gooru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I work providing technical support to at least 1000 people on campus, and lately (over the past two years), I've been seeing a LOT of hard drive failures. Most don't seem to be from people mistreating their laptops by shaking, dropping, banging, etc. Many of the computers never even move away from the desks that they sit on. I fail to understand why they are investing in air bags as opposed to making their hard drives more reliable in the first place. Don't get me wrong...I think this is a great idea, but I think their energy would be better spent in improving the quality of the hard drives themselves.

  74. What a coincidence! by ortholattice · · Score: 1
    This really happened: My girlfriend called me in a panic this morning because she dropped her IBM(!) laptop about 3 feet, and it will no longer turn on. I haven't seen it yet but it doesn't seem promising - the wireless PCMCIA card (with the protruding antenna part) now "looks a little askew". So I guess that's what it landed on, and it was probably crunched into the computer, kind of like when your thigh bones crunch through your hip and into your abdomen if you jump from an airplane into the ocean and land on your heels. Oh well. IBM told her that for $35 they will tell her how much it will cost to fix.

    Wait until I tell her that this very same morning IBM announced laptop airbags! OK, just for the hard drive, but still. I bet she'll get a kick out of that. Well, actually, probably not, given her plight.

  75. DOS command: park.com by thedillybar · · Score: 1

    I wondered years ago what happened to my wonderful park.com command in DOS. Apparently, when harddrive technology improved, some higher-up (Microsoft) decided that no one would ever want (or need?) to park their harddrive again.

    This is just ridiculous. Just because I don't NEED to park my harddrive when I take my desktop in the car, doesn't mean I don't WANT to park my harddrive when I ship it internationally!

    Maybe the standard harddrive can't be parked anymore (less expensive), which makes a lot of sense. But if it still has the physical capability, why not let me control that?

    1. Re:DOS command: park.com by Dahan · · Score: 1

      Modern hard drives park themselves when power is removed, or when they're told to spin down via software.

  76. wot about my groin! by Dysphoric · · Score: 1

    have the people at ibm as well as other laptop manufactures sorted out the "kink" where laptops would overheat causing burns to the groin area of a user? granted it does not happen often, but its still a concern.

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  77. Re:perfect laptop - Thinkpad T-Series by ErikTheRed · · Score: 2, Informative

    I use a (now) old IBM Thinkpad T-22, but any of the T-Series can be set to run normally in a "closed" position. They weigh in between 4 and 5 lbs, and can be purchased with very nice 1400x1050 screens. They're not insanely expensive, either, unless you have to have the absolute latest and greatest model. Some do have Centrino, but you can also buy them with IBM's 802.11a/b/g solution. Thinkpads have typically handled Linux extremely well (mine does, anyway).

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  78. Classic IBM: 'Simple' idea, thourough engineering by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Every now and then IBM manages to pull a trick that places them where they are 'loved' the most and are liked to be seen as being in the right place. Reference grade quality IT engineering and products. Be it the portable PS/2s with plasma screen, the PS/2 Note (iirc the 1st Notebook), the Thinkpad series, the microdrive and now this. They never try to go over the top. There is nothing really exceptionally spectacular about their ideas, but they allways manage to implement them in a way that it becomes a benchmark in functionality, is a reference for quality and has a price that people who can afford it are willing to pay and those who can't wish they could afford it. It's interresting the way IBM is an IT company that people are actually refering to as a 'traditional' one.

    Makes stuff like that Mickeysoft company attempting to project 'cool' image even so much more silly.

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  79. Flash media? by Spokehedz · · Score: 1

    I still think that the age of metallic/glass discs spinning at high-speed with a metallic coating to save data, is rapidly coming to an end.

    Just wait... in 15 years, it'll all be RAM or 'thin clients' that we download over our exabit WiFi Internet connections by then.

  80. Re:anti-virus software take a note ... by u19925 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    this is offtopic. i attached the reply to wrong topic. i had two browser windows open with different slashdot articles. sorry.

  81. Have your airbags for your harddrive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I want a bridle for my keyboard.

    MARES RULE!

  82. Re:Interesting problems... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1

    (Doh) Teach me to not RTFA. To quote Natalie Natella: Nevermind.

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  83. Apple was first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apple had pattented this technology about 3 years ago, i read this thru surfing spawned by an article on slashdot. I saw a list of all the silly patents that apple has made (like the icons in os X) not sure if they impliment it however.

  84. This is a problem that needs solving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real problem with laptops is HEAT which has killed more of my laptops than fallng off the car seat. This, an operator error, not a design defect. Do some research IBM. Now that laptops and refrigerators cost about the same and once someone has a house, refrigerator, and transport, a TV or computer will be their next purchase. Computer purchase occurs before climate control purchase for MOST of the words population and the damn things are only good to 35C according to spec and this only for booting and minilmal functionality. Send the damn market research guys to Samoa for a month!

  85. The Brockman Files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Reuters"

    In later news,
    IBM's R&D secret lab dubbed "The Think Tank" has finally opened it's doors to the press!

    Inside, some of it's newest creations include the mythical laptop with parachute that opens opon impact - parachute sold seperatly - and a laptop with new casing made of "silly puddy (tm)" which one scientist was quoted as saying "It doesn't just bounce..
    It bounces back!"
    Although results seemed surprisingly mixed - where one laptop didn't just break, it exploded - for seemingly no apparent reason at all. Then as one tech. pulling bits of glass shards from his alarmingly bulbous head jokingly smiled and started chanting "It's think I can, I think I can!" to which all the other techs inexplicably joined in. 30 mins later they were still chanting.

    While leaving the secret lab several more unexplained explosions occured - each more threatening than the next - but I felt safe. Safe with the knowledge that the world was safer, laptops were safer because before this experience I thought I could and now I think I can.

    -The Brokman report -

  86. Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Water cooling, Airbags, what next? See-through windows?

    Oh wait...

  87. Shattered platters are readable by nullard · · Score: 3, Informative
    Use google. I found these after a bit of searching:

    • http://www.drlabs.com/faq.html#9
      Using Magnetic Force Microscopy, even a shattered micro-fragment of a hard drive platter can be read.
    • http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_ del.html
      To start getting useful images of a particular track requires more than a passing knowledge of disk formats, but these are well-documented, and once the correct location on the platter is found a single image would take approximately 2-10 minutes depending on the skill of the operator and the resolution required. With one of the more expensive MFM's it is possible to automate a collection sequence and theoretically possible to collect an image of the entire disk by changing the MFM controller software.
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    1. Re:Shattered platters are readable by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      While there are very few people/governments that can accomplish recovery to this extent (no, we're not one of them... And no, we can't tell you who they are) the possibility DOES exist.

      Heh. Sure.

      Theoretically possible? Perhaps, but if you do manage to convince me that somebody actually has managed to do this on a drive bigger than a few hundred megabytes per platter, you'd still not be able to convince me that said person would admit it, and that you'd be able to contract such a service.

      These guys can't tell you who the people who can do this are because they don't know.

  88. Lose ALL your data by xjqkojqxj · · Score: 0

    So now you get a giant scratch across all tracks, rather than just in one place on one track.

  89. There is no decceleration. by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

    What about deceleration? Like the sudden stop of hitting the pavement.

    It's just acceleration with a new reference.

    As far at the APS is concerned, being dropped in the pavement and abruptly stopping is the same as the pavement jumping up and abruptly pushing the laptop into motion. (of course It can't predict either situation, only that something has changed and something might change again very soon)

  90. Is it just me.... by hdc · · Score: 1

    or is this a useless innovation for 99% of laptop users out there? In my experience, I've seen laptops beaten, melted, drop-kicked, hosed down, and generally misused. And every time the hard drive has been none the worse for wear. What ALWAYS gives up the ghost is the screen. Without fail.It either cracks, fails to work entirely or fades.

    Can we get IBM to put a little R&D towards making those a little heartier first?

  91. This sounds like good stuff. by luekj · · Score: 1
    I've had a laptop (my first one EVAR) for about a month now, and no problems with my sometimes flipity flop and all around movement of a powered laptop. But this sounds like a much safer way to fly.

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  92. Fuck you? by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

    Yes, my grammar is not impeccable. Ambiguity was present in my previous post. I think I got my meaning across though, and the meaning is what matters.

    P.S. Again, fuck you.

  93. Why does everyone assume the PC will shutdown? by WoTG · · Score: 1

    I actually DID read the article. All it does is park the head safely - it says nothing about shutting down the system. Presumably a short time after the acceleration has stopped the hard drive will return to its regular operating mode. I.e. for your average day to day task, you probably won't notice a thing! Your movie might pause for a second, or your filesystem access take a little longer, but by and large it should be unnoticeable.

    It's a great idea. Now, if only IBM would come up with a way to raise a shield over the LCD moments before it gets hit by a flying bottle... =)

  94. wish they.... by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    wish they had this for the infamous deathstar line.......my drive's so dead that elvis is lively (may he RIP btw)

  95. you should really try taijiquan, pal by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    it will definitely teach you to keep relaxed, even if you make a mistake. it should save you quite a lot of money on keyboards.

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  96. I think Thinkpads are great! by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    Yes you're right! If you're into rugged survivable notebooks you're definitely into IBM Thinkpads! You know, I keep on dropping mobile phones and notebooks all the time.

    I've tripped over the powerchord of my IBM Thinkpad T40 a couple of times now (I sometimes work at the couch table and then forget I've got it plugged in) and each time it really crashed hard onto our stone tile floor.

    Tell you what... My wife bitched about the stone floor, the Thinkpads works perfectly and obviously takes a lot more abuse than our flooring!

  97. How terribly useful by mnmn · · Score: 1

    And it parks the head in one-tenths of a second too. Come to think of it, how fast does sound travel in plastic? Does it go from one corner of the laptop to the harddisk in more than one tenth of a second? I thought sound travels in solids faster than in gas.

    Much more useful would be to flatten the head more and add structures around it to not damage the platter. This will make the head heavy and slow. So they can add two or more seperate heads in the same structure. More expensive, but good technology does not come cheap.

    I've always wondered if someone has made a laptop with solidstate IDE disks, maybe compactflash, or at least the microdrive.

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  98. iBook by SHEENmaster · · Score: 1

    my iBook's firmware crashes (reset time and everything) if it's left closed while running for a few minutes. Later iBooks don't have this firmware bug, but the heat from the hard drive warps the screen.

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