One thing I hate about POP is it sends out my password in cleartext across the 'oh so safe Internet'. This is why I am all for APOP.
Said that, there are very few clients that do APOP and fewer ISPs that offer APOP! The ones with CObalt raq servers default to apop. which is why I am with a cobalt server provider.
Clients that support apop
- sylpheed
- evolution
- not sure about kmail.
clients that allow me to store mails in 'mh' format (not that treded MBOX format)
- evolution
- sylpheed
Right now I am with sylpheed. It is good. But I can use something more polished and has
- intergrated addressbook
- organizer
- palm
support. Which brings me to evolution.
So far everytime I start evolution it hangs / crashes. One time it managed to survive but scanned some sensitive ports on my ISP and triggered portsentry:-)
I am really looking forward to the final version which has pilot support
Beautifully documented HTML with cross-references. (using DocBook).
I am writing a small kde/qt app now and all it takes is a couple of mouseclicks which lands me to the exact function I want. I am totally against poking into header/src files. This is if you are doing a patch for the library itself. otherwise you should just read the doc and off you go.
I just want to know
QUrl.getHost ()
is going to give me the host portin of url. I don't want to look at the source to see the parsing algorithm!
This is clearly another area Java wins. It came with good (mostly accurate) documentation since day 1.
From a quick glance at 'what is new in RH 7.2', I must say I had them all in mandrake 8.0
- grub
- kernel
- Xwin 3D out of the box
- lots a cool apps....
Sure Mandrake is bleeding edge and they don't have that much resources to do a thorough QA cycle. But still looks a lot nicer.
And they ship about 5-6 window managers including competing KDE/GNOME. Is redhat shipping KDE with it?
At this time,
- Mandrake for desktop / workstations
- Redhat for servers.
I was thinking, why need to assemble IIS when we can just slap some cheap plastic base on moon?
- IS it the climate? I am sure the IIS is subjected to extreme temperature swings aswell.
- or is it the meteoride attacks (IIS smaller mass thus attracts less meteors)
can some one explain it to me (like I am a 4 years old:-) why we choose not to build a research/launch facility on moon?
The only problem is with overseas calls. When my mom called she was totally baffled by 'enter your access code or speak your name':-) She gave me a good dose of speech on 'how I am getting hard to get a hold of':-))) My friends quickly recovered from it though.
I have a dual bp6+celeron (500mhz) setup and I play QUake III arena often. I thought it always used 2 cpus. Do Ineed to set a 'r_smp 1' flag to explicitly enable this? (just picked from the anandtech review).
Example
I was at this fund-raising dinner for a Silicon Valley politician (Mike HOnda). Guys gathered were all tech-savvy people earning big bucks. So the 'donations' for campaign were from 100-1000 (max cap). So when an 'intern' came to collect the check I asked her about his stand on DMCA. She said she doesn't know and she can get back to me. I told her that I need to hear HIS opinions before writing the check and to my surprise HONDA himself came over to talk. He said he doesn't know that much about DMCA and will get back to me. The intern collected my business card (still no check). after about a week (to my surprise) I had this letter from him saying the fairness law is 'strectched' a bit DMCA and he will 'work with others' about this. I don't know if he'd ever do this but I mailed him a check b/c
he admitted he doesn't know about the issue upfront and promised to do some research
he did get back to me promptly. Which is very refreshing
THis taught me a thing. Here in America if you have money, you can be heard.
I first turned to the usual suspects, CNN & MSNBC and after realizing the sites were overwhelmed, I turned to BBC. I was amazed at the clarity of the reports and just the facts (not the drama as done in US networks). I am glad I went for BBC and I never turned back to those 'provoking' cnn reports. Even on TV I was watching ABC. I was so sick of CNN & MSNBC interpretting facts and running the plane crash scene over & over & over untill the mind is numb!
I will take lynx based BBC story anyday over those dramatizing networks with glittering graphics and animated gifs.
2) why do you need cell phones when you have AT&T phones every block and a bag full of quarters
3) why do you need multiprocessing OS like Linux opposed to dos?
4) why do you need Quake3 or UT when you can play pacman.
boooo....please... it is all about convenient features rolled into one. Right now I am more dependant on my cell than any other gadget. Having it to do GPS would be really sweet!
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about mail clients. I use sylpheed b/c it stores the messages in individual files. I find this _very_ convenient b/c I can quickly grep/find stuff because my messages are simply regular files.
I liked the sophistication of Kmail. But they store the mail in mbox format. Which is really klunky (notice k) way of storing mails. It lumps everything into one file making it harder to deal from outside mail client.
Evolution (from helixcode.com) showed promises. But it segfaults on my machine (Mandrake 8) at startup.
My point is mail clients should abstract this 'storage' format and let me choose what ever I want. mbox/maildir/mhdir/mysql db..anything you can think of. And currently this is not the case. They are all tied to a very specific format!
any one has any suggestions?
LinuxLover
another reason to use Konqueror
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Anti-Aliased fonts!
Even Slashdot is easy on my eyes with AA fonts!
'nuff said.
LinuxLover
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absolutely.
Tuesday (Sept 11) all major sites were down (CNN/MSNBC). BBC was holding up and serving some good stories with facts (not just the drama). I got most of the news from Slashdot and the comments. Great work.
The redcross site is down. May be heavy load. From netcraft is running IIS. I KNOW this is not the time for advocacy.........
So if you are in San Francisco Bay area (native or here for LinuxConf), don't miss the linux10 get together in Sunnyvale (south bay). For more info check out www.linux10.org
When learning Java 3 yrs ago, one thing attracted me imeediatly was the availability of data structures. (Vector / Hashmaps / RedBlackTree / Sets...). Before that when doing my C/C++ I already had a home brew Vector/Hashmap stuff which I used. The fact it is already in the lanaguage distribution and well tested was a huge win.
- HOw many times you have pulled your hair in debugging a double linked list (don't tell me you haven't, every C programmer goes through this religiously)
- you would have atleast try to implement a String class once in your lifetime for C++ (a very good learning experience!, and very good way to get confused about = operators and overloaded functions)
At that time, STL wasn't even available to me (gcc / Irix) nor it was encouraged by university for projects. b/c what compiles on your IRiX machine might not compile on the solaris build machine & vice versa.
I thought this is where C++ lagged, an industry standard language coming out with no 'utils' available. Sure I know there are StingRay & tools++. But still nothing beats the feeling of these being readily available.
Right now I am using a Cayenne libs for Hashtable in C++ and having 'fun' getting it to compile on Solaris. SOme of their header files are 'plain stupid' and won't compile with sun CC 5.0.
So far if I want to develop an opensource gui application for Win & Linux, my only choice was Java. b/c I can give them a JAR file and it would just work. Now that QT made available free for windows for opensource programs I'd look at it again.
THis is not a C++/Java flame. I am merely saying that Java language designers did it right & learnt from C++ and academia.
You are taking the 'Righteous(sp?)' approach. But let me tell you why 'just linux' won't fly (atleast for me). In my current box, Linux Mandrake install is about 1.5G. Linux kernel itself is what around 50Meg, maybe. What I am saying is Mandrake put in a lot of effort tying all the pieces together and put out a very nice distribution so anyone (well almost) can use it.
Gone are the days, where you have to
- ask experts about partitioning your harddrive
- dust up that monitor manual and lookup the supported frequencies to get X to work.
- Tweaking the Xconfig to get the right colordepth or mouse working.
Now I can install mandrake
- in 20 mins
- without manually adding any 'device recognition'
- and have Kde running with Anti Aliased fonts in a very cool desktop.
For me that is value add. sure I can download X and do a 'make World' and QT and Kde...etc. But my time is more worth than anything, and I would rather buy a polished distribution to get me past the install.
Okay given all that, I doubt I'll ever depart from Mandrake anytime soon, as long as they continue the current trend. I just donated some money throught their donation page. I'd love to own a piece of the company b/c I know some day they are going to be great. And who knows, I might even get a return on my investment.
I don't buy into the notion of 'these companies are ripping off customres to ship linux which is FREE'. The value added in a distribution is 'real value for me'
I don't know about others or I don't care about the 'right thing'. I have been using Mandrake exclusively for 3 years and I want to give something back for the company. In the past I occasionally buy the shirnk wrapped Mandrake just for the sake of giving money to them. (I normally download ISOs. If I remember correctly, Mandrake was the first one to provide ready to go ISO! Then every one else followed).
Recently I have been too busy (or lazy) to go out and buy a packaged version. And I don't want to pay the $80 for their delux (or what ever it is called nowadays) version. On the other hand, paying $20 online is very convenient, so I just did that.
Mandrake is a great distribution and a great company. I hope they pull through this shaky economic times and continue to set the bar for other distributions.
One thing I respect IBM for is their _ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC_ linux JDK 1.3. Not only it works but blew everything Sun / blackdown had/has. I have no sympathies for SUN, but I do hope blackdown guys get the recognition for their awesome work. THey made JDK on Linux a reality. Sun/borland tried to steal their work but the flames from community set them straight.
Jbuilder 4 is hosted on IBM jdk. Not just for LInux but in Windows & Solaris too!
On the side note, you have a 'billgates@evilmail.com' public email and have a link to SUN site? SUN is equally (if no more) evil as MS. And trashing IBM? Hmm.. not impressed! No candy for you
Slashdot Mirror
One thing I hate about POP is it sends out my password in cleartext across the 'oh so safe Internet'. This is why I am all for APOP.
:-)
Said that, there are very few clients that do APOP and fewer ISPs that offer APOP! The ones with CObalt raq servers default to apop. which is why I am with a cobalt server provider.
Clients that support apop
- sylpheed
- evolution
- not sure about kmail.
clients that allow me to store mails in 'mh' format (not that treded MBOX format)
- evolution
- sylpheed
Right now I am with sylpheed. It is good. But I can use something more polished and has
- intergrated addressbook
- organizer
- palm
support. Which brings me to evolution.
So far everytime I start evolution it hangs / crashes. One time it managed to survive but scanned some sensitive ports on my ISP and triggered portsentry
I am really looking forward to the final version which has pilot support
in XFree 4.0.3
your answer : KDE & QT.
Beautifully documented HTML with cross-references. (using DocBook).
I am writing a small kde/qt app now and all it takes is a couple of mouseclicks which lands me to the exact function I want. I am totally against poking into header/src files. This is if you are doing a patch for the library itself. otherwise you should just read the doc and off you go.
I just want to know
QUrl.getHost ()
is going to give me the host portin of url. I don't want to look at the source to see the parsing algorithm!
This is clearly another area Java wins. It came with good (mostly accurate) documentation since day 1.
From a quick glance at 'what is new in RH 7.2', I must say I had them all in mandrake 8.0
- grub
- kernel
- Xwin 3D out of the box
- lots a cool apps....
Sure Mandrake is bleeding edge and they don't have that much resources to do a thorough QA cycle. But still looks a lot nicer.
And they ship about 5-6 window managers including competing KDE/GNOME. Is redhat shipping KDE with it?
At this time,
- Mandrake for desktop / workstations
- Redhat for servers.
Exactly.
I went through some weeks trying to install UT on my Linux Mandrake 8. Eventually I gave up. I am relieved to see I was not the only one!
But I am happy with quake3-arena and SOF right now.
I was thinking, why need to assemble IIS when we can just slap some cheap plastic base on moon?
:-) why we choose not to build a research/launch facility on moon?
- IS it the climate? I am sure the IIS is subjected to extreme temperature swings aswell.
- or is it the meteoride attacks (IIS smaller mass thus attracts less meteors)
can some one explain it to me (like I am a 4 years old
yep. Sure worth the monthly fee!
:-) She gave me a good dose of speech on 'how I am getting hard to get a hold of' :-))) My friends quickly recovered from it though.
The only problem is with overseas calls. When my mom called she was totally baffled by 'enter your access code or speak your name'
Give it a try.
I have a dual bp6+celeron (500mhz) setup and I play QUake III arena often. I thought it always used 2 cpus. Do Ineed to set a 'r_smp 1' flag to explicitly enable this? (just picked from the anandtech review).
thanks
LinuxLover
Example
I was at this fund-raising dinner for a Silicon Valley politician (Mike HOnda). Guys gathered were all tech-savvy people earning big bucks. So the 'donations' for campaign were from 100-1000 (max cap). So when an 'intern' came to collect the check I asked her about his stand on DMCA. She said she doesn't know and she can get back to me. I told her that I need to hear HIS opinions before writing the check and to my surprise HONDA himself came over to talk. He said he doesn't know that much about DMCA and will get back to me. The intern collected my business card (still no check). after about a week (to my surprise) I had this letter from him saying the fairness law is 'strectched' a bit DMCA and he will 'work with others' about this. I don't know if he'd ever do this but I mailed him a check b/c
THis taught me a thing. Here in America if you have money, you can be heard.
God Bless America :-)
Ditto to that.
I first turned to the usual suspects, CNN & MSNBC and after realizing the sites were overwhelmed, I turned to BBC. I was amazed at the clarity of the reports and just the facts (not the drama as done in US networks). I am glad I went for BBC and I never turned back to those 'provoking' cnn reports. Even on TV I was watching ABC. I was so sick of CNN & MSNBC interpretting facts and running the plane crash scene over & over & over untill the mind is numb!
I will take lynx based BBC story anyday over those dramatizing networks with glittering graphics and animated gifs.
1) why do you need mozilla when you have lynx?
2) why do you need cell phones when you have AT&T phones every block and a bag full of quarters
3) why do you need multiprocessing OS like Linux opposed to dos?
4) why do you need Quake3 or UT when you can play pacman.
boooo....please... it is all about convenient features rolled into one. Right now I am more dependant on my cell than any other gadget. Having it to do GPS would be really sweet!
I liked the sophistication of Kmail. But they store the mail in mbox format. Which is really klunky (notice k) way of storing mails. It lumps everything into one file making it harder to deal from outside mail client.
Evolution (from helixcode.com) showed promises. But it segfaults on my machine (Mandrake 8) at startup.
My point is mail clients should abstract this 'storage' format and let me choose what ever I want. mbox/maildir/mhdir/mysql db ..anything you can think of. And currently this is not the case. They are all tied to a very specific format!
any one has any suggestions?
LinuxLover
Anti-Aliased fonts!
Even Slashdot is easy on my eyes with AA fonts!
'nuff said.
LinuxLover
The redcross site is down. May be heavy load. From netcraft is running IIS. I KNOW this is not the time for advocacy.........
linuxlover
So if you are in San Francisco Bay area (native or here for LinuxConf), don't miss the linux10 get together in Sunnyvale (south bay). For more info check out
www.linux10.org
have you recently checked the prices of removable memory (Sandisk / Compaq Flash)?
Amen to that.
When learning Java 3 yrs ago, one thing attracted me imeediatly was the availability of data structures. (Vector / Hashmaps / RedBlackTree / Sets...). Before that when doing my C/C++ I already had a home brew Vector/Hashmap stuff which I used. The fact it is already in the lanaguage distribution and well tested was a huge win.
- HOw many times you have pulled your hair in debugging a double linked list (don't tell me you haven't, every C programmer goes through this religiously)
- you would have atleast try to implement a String class once in your lifetime for C++ (a very good learning experience!, and very good way to get confused about = operators and overloaded functions)
At that time, STL wasn't even available to me (gcc / Irix) nor it was encouraged by university for projects. b/c what compiles on your IRiX machine might not compile on the solaris build machine & vice versa.
I thought this is where C++ lagged, an industry standard language coming out with no 'utils' available. Sure I know there are StingRay & tools++. But still nothing beats the feeling of these being readily available.
Right now I am using a Cayenne libs for Hashtable in C++ and having 'fun' getting it to compile on Solaris. SOme of their header files are 'plain stupid' and won't compile with sun CC 5.0.
So far if I want to develop an opensource gui application for Win & Linux, my only choice was Java. b/c I can give them a JAR file and it would just work. Now that QT made available free for windows for opensource programs I'd look at it again.
THis is not a C++/Java flame. I am merely saying that Java language designers did it right & learnt from C++ and academia.
LinuxLover
Looking at
Freshmeat
slashcode
sourceforge
slashdot is the worst 'looking' site so far. It should be prettied up. Better fonts. sleek layout.
Specially a site I spent so much time, *must* be easy on eyes. Right now it is colors splattered all over the page and looks awful.
Can we first take care of this please>
yeah, yeah, it is always
- my girlfriend
- my mom
- my grand mother/father
- a friend of a friend
:-)
Now if i use openNap, do I still need a working napster login? how does this work? thanks LL
without any conflicts or not having my system hosed.
Can some one please enlighten me about those 3 variations and their status? I assume EGCS and PGCC are integrated into GCC 3.0?
Is that right?
LInuxLover
You are taking the 'Righteous(sp?)' approach. But let me tell you why 'just linux' won't fly (atleast for me). In my current box, Linux Mandrake install is about 1.5G. Linux kernel itself is what around 50Meg, maybe. What I am saying is Mandrake put in a lot of effort tying all the pieces together and put out a very nice distribution so anyone (well almost) can use it.
:-)
Gone are the days, where you have to
- ask experts about partitioning your harddrive
- dust up that monitor manual and lookup the supported frequencies to get X to work.
- Tweaking the Xconfig to get the right colordepth or mouse working.
Now I can install mandrake
- in 20 mins
- without manually adding any 'device recognition'
- and have Kde running with Anti Aliased fonts in a very cool desktop.
For me that is value add. sure I can download X and do a 'make World' and QT and Kde...etc. But my time is more worth than anything, and I would rather buy a polished distribution to get me past the install.
Okay given all that, I doubt I'll ever depart from Mandrake anytime soon, as long as they continue the current trend. I just donated some money throught their donation page. I'd love to own a piece of the company b/c I know some day they are going to be great. And who knows, I might even get a return on my investment.
I don't buy into the notion of 'these companies are ripping off customres to ship linux which is FREE'. The value added in a distribution is 'real value for me'
man that was a long whine
LinuxLover
Project : KOffice.
I don't know about others or I don't care about the 'right thing'. I have been using Mandrake exclusively for 3 years and I want to give something back for the company. In the past I occasionally buy the shirnk wrapped Mandrake just for the sake of giving money to them. (I normally download ISOs. If I remember correctly, Mandrake was the first one to provide ready to go ISO! Then every one else followed).
Recently I have been too busy (or lazy) to go out and buy a packaged version. And I don't want to pay the $80 for their delux (or what ever it is called nowadays) version. On the other hand, paying $20 online is very convenient, so I just did that.
Mandrake is a great distribution and a great company. I hope they pull through this shaky economic times and continue to set the bar for other distributions.
LinuxLover
One thing I respect IBM for is their _ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC_ linux JDK 1.3. Not only it works but blew everything Sun / blackdown had/has. I have no sympathies for SUN, but I do hope blackdown guys get the recognition for their awesome work. THey made JDK on Linux a reality. Sun/borland tried to steal their work but the flames from community set them straight.
Jbuilder 4 is hosted on IBM jdk. Not just for LInux but in Windows & Solaris too!
On the side note, you have a 'billgates@evilmail.com' public email and have a link to SUN site? SUN is equally (if no more) evil as MS. And trashing IBM? Hmm.. not impressed! No candy for you