I'm glad that you have PS3 games that are holding your attention, but what about them is innovative? I enjoy mario party 8, but its the same game again, and takes 0 advantage of the wiimote. I've always harped that Innovation != Good. Innovation !=> good. Innovation !=> fun. It's not that those PS3 games I listed are innovative, it's simply that they are fun. Katamari Damacy was innovative and fun. Lair was innovative and not fun. Wolfenstien was innovative and fun (for short 20 minutes spans before the vomiting started). Black and white was innovative and arguably not fun. Mario 3 was slightly innovative and really fun. Zelda: link to the past was not innovative and very fun. FF6 was very derivative but fun. Counter Strike was somewhat innovative and a lot of fun. Warcraft 3 wasn't innovative at all and immense amounts of fun.
So you'd rather play an FPS on the PS3 than on the Wii? You said that the Wii mote is good for some things, but not for others. I'm pretty sure one of those things at which it excels is FPS games. Playing Metroid, I actually found the nun chuck to be much better than wasd for movement, and the wiimote was pretty much as good as a mouse for aiming. The only downfall that I can see (in games where this would be necessary) is that switching weapons may not be as easy as hitting the number keys.
Yes, the Wii doesn't have much in the way of FPS games, nor could it have FPS games as shiny as those for the PS3 and XBox360. However, the first part is due to the fact that developers seem to have not realized the Wii's potential, relative to the second part, which is that the vastly superior control system offered by the Wii outweighs, IMHO, its inferior graphics, especially since they aren't *that* bad. I'd really rather play an FPS on my computer. WASD may not be as good as the numchuck (debatable) but a mouse is still a huge leap beyond the wii mote(not debatable). And it does look that bad on many LCD HDTV's which is the most common type. Any good multi-platform game, I'll likely go with the PS3 version as I don't own a 360 and it will be far uglier on the Wii. Any good wii game I pick up will not likely be a FPS, in fact I buy very very few FPS. I prefer RPG's. For the wii it'll be party games exclusively.
People get upset when I wax nostalgic about the 1960s and the 1970s, but let's face it, a very large part of the music we consider classic rock and pop was recorded during that period.... Compare that with the vaguely homoerotic boy bands and way-too-sexualized teen female acts like Britney Spears that started showing up in the late 1990s, Your forgetting the legitimately interesting bands like NIN, Smashing pumpkins, Nirvana, Food Fighters, Beck, Timbaland, Kanyewest, No Doubt, Arcade fire, Greenday, etc.. who got their start in the 90's and 00's. Remember who decides what is classic? Mostly well established influential media types who currently mostly grew up in the 60's and 70's. Music didn't lose it's way. It's been 80% suck like it's always been. You've just conveniently forgot about the dreck from the 60's and 70's.
This is definitely off topic, but I was thinking the exact opposite. I have a large DVD and game collection that I hardly ever use. I figure I've gotten maybe 5 hours of enjoyment per DVD (some more, some less) and maybe 10-20 out of an average game. On the flip side, each song that I buy from itunes at $1 each have gotten played at least 20x. That's over $1 / hour of enjoyment for music as opposed to $3-$4 for a dvd and $.50-$6 for a game. If I buy a whole album, it usually gets the same amount or more play than the songs i buy a la carte, which usually leads to a higher value over time.
It's a rare movie or game that gets played more than 2 or 3 times for me, but it's even more rare for me to have a song that doesn't get played at least 10x. From what I've read and seen, this is the case for most people. It really depends on who you are. Music is background. Radio is enough. I buy a few albums but I get bored with them after the 4 or 5th play through. Thus I get ~5h of entertainment for $10-$25. A Movie will be played maybe 3 times. So for $15-$30 I get ~5h. I have a taste for fairly deep games (Warcraft 3, diablo, FFXII, Ratchet and clank oddly, etc..) thus for $50 I get between 20h (ratchet and clank) - 2000+h (warcraft 3, at least 1h a day for 5 years).
Are cartels any better? Among currently sold systems designed for single-system multiplayer gaming, which encourages use with games self-published by independent game developers? Indie developers have a place in the current market too. Look at the PS3's PSN network for everydayshooter, Flow, and some others. Look at the 360's XNA initiative. I wouldn't be inclined to call the console game industry a cartel. Way too many players and true competition for that label.
You really are the first person I've heard say they didnt like the wii because it wasn't original enough. What exactly about any of your PS3 games is so innovative? You've mis read me. I'm saying the Wii isn't that innovative. I haven't said I dislike it for this reason. I've always enjoyed polished and fun games. I realize innovations is good sometimes but innovation is not the be all and end all. some of the games that have held me for years at a time weren't very innovative (Starcraft, Diablo, Warcraft III, FF6, FF4, Zelda: a link to the past, Counter Strike) The big thing I'm coming out against is the idea that wii mote = holy grail. The Wii mote is good for something, terrible for others. Wii sports is a nice well polished mix of control schemes. Warioware is a boring mess of minigames. Metroid is a FPS that uses the wii mote as a mouse and keyboard. Mario Galaxy i haven't played yet. Wii sports is fun with company. Mario Party is the ultimate double date game.
The PS3 has held my attention with ratchet and clank, COD 4, Dynasty Warriors: Gundam (guilty pleasure), AC4, and I still have a back log of PS2 games to go through. I have enjoyed my wii but it's flavor of games have thus far not held my attention in the same way. Some interesting games (fire emblem, RE:umbrella chronicles) have come out so this may change.
It's not much of a war. I used to be pretty anti-console. Now I have a DS (and plan to buy a second), Wii and 360 (Mass Effect has been ordered). As far as games go there are a few titles on each platform that I want to get. So at least as far as I'm concerned, Nintendo has managed to put out a few titles that keep me playing it. My biggest gripe is that the Wii is limited to 420p and that many of the games are designed at 420i And my big gripe for all the consoles is accessibility to independent developers. I would absolutely love to make games for the consoles. But the companies make it far to expensive a market to enter for somebody on a very slim budget. I think all of the consoles would benefit if they made developing for their consoles more accessible. 360's XNA and a lot of indie content on PSN. They both address these issues. Gems like flow, Everyday shooter, Geometry wars etc.. are all semi-indie hits.
What I want to know is, when the hell is someone going to make the sword/lightsaber game for the Wii that we've all been waiting for. This comes up every now and then and the apologists all jump out and say "Errors in the motion sensors add up so you can't make perfect 1 to 1 movements, blah, blah, blah." Red Steel, launch title almost. But it was terrible.
People still Like Beethoven, does that make him a better artist then Justin Timberlake? I contend it does. More people are into Timberlake then Beethoven. Does that mean anything? I think Pachabels Cannons is the most perfect song in all existence but sometimes I need to put on some NIN. They're different beasts, both have qualities and values and while we may not play Closer 500 years from now it is still a good song. Cannons and Closer both capture a portion of what it is to be human. Even the syrupy love songs by bland generic pop stars have some value.
The thing about people playing Super Mario, it's nostalgia. My little brother can't get into it Super Mario 1 because it lacks a lot of the things he's used to. Mario 3 he might play but Counter strike wins his attention more often then anything else. I play FF1 once in a while and in truth compared to whats out today it was a very frustrating game. I play A Street fighter II often but really it's not as well designed as SFIII. They're all classic games but our replay of it is motivated by many factors, other then the quality of the game.
Using your qualifications, Nintendo won with the Gamecube as well since it was always profitable. Really, the market can support 3 winners. A loser is going to be someone who is forced out of the market. All 3 look strong enough to last another round after this one. Nintendo is moving consoles. The 360 is moving games. The PS3 has a bit to catch up but has superior hardware. Hopefully at some point I will own all 3 (but not until prices drop). I'd really like to see a three way horse race. Consumers win with competition and we have a pretty fierce one right now. It'll mean cheaper systems and hopefully better quality systems. I have 2 of the 3 (PS3, Wii). I may pick up a 360 for mass effect. Right now each side seems to specialize in different games. I enjoy this and hope they keep it up.
You are right. There have never been FPS games or RTS games like ones on the PS3.
Come on.
And I believe the rate of game purchase, but at the same time will point out that the PS3 has huge 3rd party contributors while the Wii does not. I would even bet that the rate of new games is probably close to 3 to 1 for PS3 to Wii. That should be changing next year as more games are released for the Wii after the developers realized they missed the boat on the popularity of it. Tell me what was the last movie you really enjoyed. Now tell me how innovative it was. Chances are it's basically the same story as a dozen other movies but just done well. Tell me the last experimental college film you really enjoyed? Innovation is often fun when it's small and incremental and followed by a lot of polish. Innovation itself does not induce fun and innovation is often terrible. Lair did have a innovative control system but done really poorly.
A game like assassins creed is innovative in a number of ways but it's wrapped up in a fairly slick package. COD4 does in fact attempt to innovate with a semi-RPG style class system. You can't tell me portal from the Half-life orange box wasn't innovative. Eye of judgment is fairly innovative. Even Halo 3 has a few multi-player innovations.
Wii doesn't have monopoly on fun or innovation. It's just got positive karma and buzz. Whether the buzz is hype or real remains to be seen. So far I am not impressed.
I'm not saying the Wii doesn't have it's faults, but to pretend all the "hardcore" gamers have your opinion of it is just wishful thinking on your part. I'll be much happier if both the Xbox-360 and PS3 die horribly in the marketplace, as then we might actually get quality games and innovation in the next gen. instead of "Ohh, we have X% more polys for Y% more $". I'd prefer if all 3 have a good solid run. Monopolies are never good for gamers. I think a game like katamari damacy is much more innovative then wario ware, mario party, Zelda:TP, Metroid 3. That game exists on the360 and PS2. So your sort of got a skewed view of innovation. The Wii has potential but even the first party titles aren't tapping into it that much.
I'm not so sure about the effect of FF will have on PS3. Sure, it will sell alot of hardware for sony, but I remember square annoncing that there will be multiple versions of FF13 for nearly all platforms. The main or 'real' FF13 is still exclusive to the PS3, but if you also have multiple spin off on the wii, xbox and even ds (if I remember well), the effect it will have on sony hardware sale will not be as important as in the past generation, IMO.
There is still Metal Gear solid though.../quote>
Ever play any of the mainline spin offs of FF (FFX-2).. yeah.... I doubt that has any impact. People buy the mainline. Spin offs cash in but aren't the same.
But why would Wii owners stop buying games? Because they are different people from those who traditionally bought consoles. I have bought about $15,000 in games, consoles, and accessories in the last 5 years. My sister who bought a wii and GF who wanted me to get a wii have yet to get another game aside from wii sports.
I think that a lot of the "hardcore" gamers don't like the changes in gameplay that the Wii has. It isn't familiar to them, or they are offended that there are not more twitch FPS or RTS games for the Wii so it "obviously" isn't geared towards them. Instead people that were turned off by the twitch games are picking it up and enjoying it. I think you got it flipped. Hardcore gamers are all too familiar with the games as they aren't all that new, just old games repackaged for the wii mote. You can't tell me anything in Rayman hasn't been done in numerous arcades and other machines. Ditto with the majority of the rest of the library. They use the wii mote either as a really clumsy mouse, a sort of slow light gun, replace button mashing with vigorous shaking etc.. Some do it better then others but it isn't all that new. The under lying game play is old, as old as gaming. Thats what we object to the shallowness and sense of deja vu. I have a wii but I buy games for the DS and PS3 at a 3:1 rate to the wii (3 DS and 3 PS3 to 1 wii) games because there aren't that many games to appeal to me. Maybe fire emblem.
I've been saying for years that they should do another movie. Provided that they keep with the spirit (pun not intended) of the first two, modern special effects combined with a good script could make for a great movie.
Given hollywood's abysmal track record in late-sequals though, I think perhaps it would be better off without any, regardless of whether it is a movie or game. As long as it has Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, and Harold Ramis it'll be a fun movie. Hell even if it's just bill murray.
You've already given up your life when you start playing WoW. What do you have to keep private? No one must know iloveBoobs69 the smoking hot Night elf huntress is actually King-manic!
I never said that GSM was only for Europe. I said that it is only a standard in Europe. There is a difference between the two. GSM is available in many places as is CDMA. CDMA seems to be technically better since UTMS is based on CDMA. I was more commenting on the idea that GSM is a World Standard when in reality it is mainly a standard in Europe and from what I hear Africa. Your going to have to define what you mean by standard. If you mean "uniformly available" then all the areas i highlighted utilize the standard, GSM is readily available in all those regions. If you mean the area the standard was derived then GSM is European and CDMA is American. If you mean that option is the default or most prominent then again the areas I listed have GSM as the "standard". GSM has a lot more penetration then CDMA. In most of Asia if you bing a CDMA phone with you you will have to go out of your way to find a carrier(if one exists), but if you have a GSM phone you can pick up a compatible sim at numerous locations (in the Philippines you can buy them at any major store, and minutes at any "store", china is the same, HK is more diverse). The reputation of GSM as a world phone is tied to this ubiquity.
Actually, if you vote you have no right to complain, because you essentially agree to participate in a democratic system that is utterly, completely, hopelessly corrupt The system is broken but not fundamentally so. If people stop voting along false ideological lines it would reverse this trend toward corruption. Any person who vote one way and only one way for his entire life is exactly whats wrong with US democracy/the US republic. For instance George Bush represents Christians like Bill Clinton represents black people. They have some loose ties and pays lip service to their causes but in the end George Bush doesn't act like a good Christian and Bill Clinton isn't black. But there is some idiotic idea that Christians vote republican and blacks vote democrat. You really should vote for ideas not ideologies.
"Texas Instruments' OMAP processors, which enable a single-chip world phone (GSM/EDGE/GPRS)" Funny how that is a "world" phone. GSM is only a standard for Europe. In North American you have both GSM and CDMA, Korea is mostly CDMA and I think Japan is also uses a lot of CDMA. Also Sprint is one of the carriers that is involved in this and they only do CDMA. GSM: All or Europe/Russia, most of Asia including china and th ephilipines, most of India, Australia, most of Africa, and most of south America CDMA: US, Canada, Japan, Korea.
I think your point about GSM only being for Europe is very much wrong. GSM covers a great deal more countries then CDMA. It's a world phone because you can take a GSM phone to nearly any country with cell service and buy a sim card and get connected. With a CDMA phone coverage is sparse or non existent in anywhere but the 4 countries I listed.
... I'm pretty sure I'd rather have publically-elected and appointed officials be the final arbiters of government secrecy, and not self-appointed anonymous individuals. Sometimes for true liberty and justice you need someone other then the government controlling the information. To really have liberty you need to know what your Publically-elected and appointed officials are doing. Democracy doesn't work when the information is controlled by the government. If the government is the sole arbiter of information then you in fact no longer live in a democracy.
That requires them to have a basis for comparison (ie, what it's like elsewhere). Additionally, not knowing all of the things happening to other people across the country also helps the establishment.
The Chinese have historically done a very good job of censorship. When I was an undergrad I worked in a research group that was 80% Chinese, including a number of visiting scholars who were educated entirely in China. A bunch of us started talking about our respective countries once, and Tienman (sp?) Square came up. One of the Chinese scholars had never heard of it, and didn't believe it could have possibly occurred (understandably). A few of us found some articles on it, which he read. He was visibly shaken as he realized the things his country did while lying to the people. So believe me, they're very good propagandists. I have a lot of cousins there and visit frequently. They are aware they are being lied to but aren't aware what the lies exactly are. So it's very insidious. There is a prevailing cynicism but it's non specific. They assume every government does this as well. So they have a slightly skewed view of the world. Although I truly wish their cynicism was more widespread over here as well. The west is much better all around but some of the news sources are almost the same sort of editorial propaganda.
Isn't it a shame that the treatment of Alan Turing after the war drove him to suicide though, as though all of his contributions meant nothing to the people. All that mattered to them was that he was a homosexual. He is truly the father of modern computing and he achieved a lot in his short life. He was monumental to the Allied war effort and a once in a generation math genius. It's really too bad the people of his time couldn't look past his sexuality.
On a side note: I'm straight but I'd do Turing for the geek cred:D
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Yes, the Wii doesn't have much in the way of FPS games, nor could it have FPS games as shiny as those for the PS3 and XBox360. However, the first part is due to the fact that developers seem to have not realized the Wii's potential, relative to the second part, which is that the vastly superior control system offered by the Wii outweighs, IMHO, its inferior graphics, especially since they aren't *that* bad. I'd really rather play an FPS on my computer. WASD may not be as good as the numchuck (debatable) but a mouse is still a huge leap beyond the wii mote(not debatable). And it does look that bad on many LCD HDTV's which is the most common type. Any good multi-platform game, I'll likely go with the PS3 version as I don't own a 360 and it will be far uglier on the Wii. Any good wii game I pick up will not likely be a FPS, in fact I buy very very few FPS. I prefer RPG's. For the wii it'll be party games exclusively.
It's a rare movie or game that gets played more than 2 or 3 times for me, but it's even more rare for me to have a song that doesn't get played at least 10x. From what I've read and seen, this is the case for most people. It really depends on who you are. Music is background. Radio is enough. I buy a few albums but I get bored with them after the 4 or 5th play through. Thus I get ~5h of entertainment for $10-$25. A Movie will be played maybe 3 times. So for $15-$30 I get ~5h. I have a taste for fairly deep games (Warcraft 3, diablo, FFXII, Ratchet and clank oddly, etc..) thus for $50 I get between 20h (ratchet and clank) - 2000+h (warcraft 3, at least 1h a day for 5 years).
The PS3 has held my attention with ratchet and clank, COD 4, Dynasty Warriors: Gundam (guilty pleasure), AC4, and I still have a back log of PS2 games to go through.
I have enjoyed my wii but it's flavor of games have thus far not held my attention in the same way. Some interesting games (fire emblem, RE:umbrella chronicles) have come out so this may change.
The thing about people playing Super Mario, it's nostalgia. My little brother can't get into it Super Mario 1 because it lacks a lot of the things he's used to. Mario 3 he might play but Counter strike wins his attention more often then anything else. I play FF1 once in a while and in truth compared to whats out today it was a very frustrating game. I play A Street fighter II often but really it's not as well designed as SFIII. They're all classic games but our replay of it is motivated by many factors, other then the quality of the game.
Come on.
And I believe the rate of game purchase, but at the same time will point out that the PS3 has huge 3rd party contributors while the Wii does not. I would even bet that the rate of new games is probably close to 3 to 1 for PS3 to Wii. That should be changing next year as more games are released for the Wii after the developers realized they missed the boat on the popularity of it. Tell me what was the last movie you really enjoyed. Now tell me how innovative it was. Chances are it's basically the same story as a dozen other movies but just done well. Tell me the last experimental college film you really enjoyed? Innovation is often fun when it's small and incremental and followed by a lot of polish. Innovation itself does not induce fun and innovation is often terrible. Lair did have a innovative control system but done really poorly.
A game like assassins creed is innovative in a number of ways but it's wrapped up in a fairly slick package. COD4 does in fact attempt to innovate with a semi-RPG style class system. You can't tell me portal from the Half-life orange box wasn't innovative. Eye of judgment is fairly innovative. Even Halo 3 has a few multi-player innovations.
Wii doesn't have monopoly on fun or innovation. It's just got positive karma and buzz. Whether the buzz is hype or real remains to be seen. So far I am not impressed.
There is still Metal Gear solid though.../quote>
Ever play any of the mainline spin offs of FF (FFX-2).. yeah.... I doubt that has any impact. People buy the mainline. Spin offs cash in but aren't the same.
Given hollywood's abysmal track record in late-sequals though, I think perhaps it would be better off without any, regardless of whether it is a movie or game. As long as it has Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, and Harold Ramis it'll be a fun movie. Hell even if it's just bill murray.
There is a difference between the two. GSM is available in many places as is CDMA. CDMA seems to be technically better since UTMS is based on CDMA. I was more commenting on the idea that GSM is a World Standard when in reality it is mainly a standard in Europe and from what I hear Africa. Your going to have to define what you mean by standard. If you mean "uniformly available" then all the areas i highlighted utilize the standard, GSM is readily available in all those regions. If you mean the area the standard was derived then GSM is European and CDMA is American. If you mean that option is the default or most prominent then again the areas I listed have GSM as the "standard". GSM has a lot more penetration then CDMA. In most of Asia if you bing a CDMA phone with you you will have to go out of your way to find a carrier(if one exists), but if you have a GSM phone you can pick up a compatible sim at numerous locations (in the Philippines you can buy them at any major store, and minutes at any "store", china is the same, HK is more diverse). The reputation of GSM as a world phone is tied to this ubiquity.
Funny how that is a "world" phone. GSM is only a standard for Europe. In North American you have both GSM and CDMA, Korea is mostly CDMA and I think Japan is also uses a lot of CDMA.
Also Sprint is one of the carriers that is involved in this and they only do CDMA. GSM: All or Europe/Russia, most of Asia including china and th ephilipines, most of India, Australia, most of Africa, and most of south America
CDMA: US, Canada, Japan, Korea.
I think your point about GSM only being for Europe is very much wrong. GSM covers a great deal more countries then CDMA. It's a world phone because you can take a GSM phone to nearly any country with cell service and buy a sim card and get connected. With a CDMA phone coverage is sparse or non existent in anywhere but the 4 countries I listed.
... I'm pretty sure I'd rather have publically-elected and appointed officials be the final arbiters of government secrecy, and not self-appointed anonymous individuals. Sometimes for true liberty and justice you need someone other then the government controlling the information. To really have liberty you need to know what your Publically-elected and appointed officials are doing. Democracy doesn't work when the information is controlled by the government. If the government is the sole arbiter of information then you in fact no longer live in a democracy.The Chinese have historically done a very good job of censorship. When I was an undergrad I worked in a research group that was 80% Chinese, including a number of visiting scholars who were educated entirely in China. A bunch of us started talking about our respective countries once, and Tienman (sp?) Square came up. One of the Chinese scholars had never heard of it, and didn't believe it could have possibly occurred (understandably). A few of us found some articles on it, which he read. He was visibly shaken as he realized the things his country did while lying to the people. So believe me, they're very good propagandists. I have a lot of cousins there and visit frequently. They are aware they are being lied to but aren't aware what the lies exactly are. So it's very insidious. There is a prevailing cynicism but it's non specific. They assume every government does this as well. So they have a slightly skewed view of the world. Although I truly wish their cynicism was more widespread over here as well. The west is much better all around but some of the news sources are almost the same sort of editorial propaganda.
On a side note: I'm straight but I'd do Turing for the geek cred