I had NEVER HEARD of "task-switching" and human beings "multitasking" before pointy haired bosses who want to overburden everyone with 2-3 times as much work and bug you every hour with a new "emergency" came on the scene.
I'm going to have to ask for some references before I dismiss you as a moron.
Thanks for the details, I now understand the technical differences between what you call an ISP and a CLEC. Clearly the Canadian ISP's (which we call DSL Providers) are not CLEC's.
> so there would be the risk of, say, Nexxia providing better service to Sympatico than to other DSL providers.
Absolutely, but to date this has not happened, not in the slightest.
So the biggest difference between the US and Canada as I see it, is that our Bell's have not balked at all in extending their networks and driving the technology forward - despite being forced to "share" their lines with all these ISPs. They aren't resorting to hard-ball stances or dirty tricks.
So the big question is, why?
I think it might be a difference in corporate culture, and perhaps a difference in the equitability of the rates they are allowed to charge the ISPs for transit.
If the line cards/DSLAMs, and the ATM traffic through them, are owned and managed by some piece of Bell Canada,
I don't know if the line cards are owned by Nexxia or by the DSL provider. I'm pretty sure the transit from the line card to the DSL provider location is over Nexxia circuits, and Nexxia is a subsiduary of the big Bell, as is Sympatico (the Bell DSL provider), so it's not exactly like they're the one and the same company.
that sounds as if the other DSL providers are ISPs, not CLECs.
The thing that differentiates them from plain-jane ISPs for me is the fact that I the consumer have no contact what-so-ever with Bell. If they were plain ISPs I would "rent the wire aka circuit" from Bell and get ISP services from the ISP.
Are you saying that in the US the CLEC DSL providers actually have to run wire/fiber all the way to the head ends where the line cards are located, and they only "share" (or whatever you want to call it) the last mile of ILEC twisted POTS wire to your home?
If so, the US ILEC's sure are a bunch of whiny baby's, considering what Bell is being forced to share here in the name of competition:)
(Boy I sure like this "notify upon reply" thing, almost turns Slashdot into a bulletin board. Almost.)
Hmmm, I might be mixing up very specific phone terminology with something slightly different, I'll let you decide which terms are best:
Bell Canada (and Bell Nexxia, their backbone infrastructure division) has the last mile wiring and a big backbone all over the metro areas. Bell Sympatico is the DSL/internet/dialup-ISP subsiduary of Bell Canada. Other DSL providers gets themselves a rack/room downtown, and buys transit over the Nexxia network, and place orders with Bell Nexxia to do the adds/deletes of the line cards for DSL customers, and pay Nexxia/Bell an install fee and (rough guess - $20 a month) for the transit/last-mile service. There are 46 of these companies.
I don't know how many companies are out there providing local phone service, but I think it works in roughly the same way - there aren't as many of them for sure. There are of course tons of companies selling Long Distance service. All over the Bell lines.
I'm in BC. Shaw cable, the little monopoly out here, has cable in my small down (less than 2000 people), but DSL is only available in the 30K town next door.
ILEC are required to share their lines to CLEC's, that's why I have 46 choices for DSL here in Toronto, and the ILEC (Bell Canada) has done a FABULOUS job pushing it all out as fast as they can. The rates they are given for the shared lines are reasonable, and so the sharing requirement is not slowing anything down.
The cable companies are fighting their sharing requirement - I'm not sure why it's taken so long to force them to share their monopoly-acquired lines.
In Saskatchewan (the flat empty prairies) DSL is coming to every single little freaking town. .
. I live in Toronto. I have 46, yes fourty-six, DSL providers to choose from. Rates for 1200/128 DSL range from $30 CDN to $55 CDN, while rates for 3500/800 DSL range from $40 CDN to $70 CDN.
The incumbent Bell Canada is given a nice big chunk of change whenever they "have to share" their line - the lines they rolled out whilst they were a monopoly and have paid off with their monopoly proceeds.
I've said this before and I'll say it again - in the US there's something wrong with a) whoever is setting the "forced sharing revenue" b) the incumbents who are hell bent on slowing the rollout of DSL wherever possible - and I think the latter comes down to obstanance and a lack of leadership and vision.
My Mother, in SMALL TOWN (800 people) RURAL SASKATCHEWAN (the prairies, exactly like North/South Dakota) 100 miles from the nearest city of 200,000, will be getting 1200/128 DSL within a year.
. IIRC - there *are* centralized repositories, it's just that it's not a single repository.
IE: You sign up with Sony, and get to use that authorized trust ID with Sony's partners, deciding which of Sony's partners get what level of information.
So Sony or some other big mean corporations will own your ass instead of Microsoft or Sun.
. Can MD5 hashes be worked-around? I know some types of hashes/checksums can.
Compute the MD5, change the file and make additional changes to offset the initial change, compute the md5 and compare to first, if different continue... etc.
What you really need is a hash that can not be easily worked around.
Or a backup to do a binary diff against.
OOOooh!! I had forgotten about my backups! I'm going to be doing a lot of binary diff's when I get home tonight. (Hmmm, wonder if the "infection" wouldn't also infect a duplicate install of XXX that's sitting on drive G: where it was mirrored/backed-up a few months ago?)
. So if it's an "open" protocol and video stream format, then there should be an alternative to installing Quicktime itself. Can you please identify one?
The last thing I need to do is sepnd my time fighting Quicktime for control over my own system's file associations. .
. > Step 1: Install QuickTime player version 5 or 6 for Windows
Ummm, NO.
No I will not install that heavy-gloss and pointy-haired marketing-droid built **configuration-siezing** piece of sh*t on any system I control.
Call back later when you use an open streaming video format that doesn't ask me to bend over. .
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. I don't buy all these "we're too thinly populated" excuses from America. Canada isn't any more heavily industrialized than America, and yet our DSL providers are *way* ahead of yours.
I think the heart of it is something in the culture and management of the respective telco industries in each country. Canadian telco's embraced DSL as their future, and worked hard to have the infrastructure in place. In Canada ILEC's are forced to share their back ends with third party DSL providers, and so far they haven't resorted to dirty tricks.
In the US, it sounds like they're dragging their feet, and crying loudly about not wanting to share their lines. Not only that, but it sounds like a lot of your copper is pretty crappy (rain taking out DSL service??, never heard of it up here), and your CO's spread thinly - I'm guessing that it's a result of "cheapest at all costs" operating methods.
There are 48, yes forty-eight, different DSL providers in Toronto. I've got 3500 kbps DL and 800 kbps UL for $70 CDN per month, available to over 30% of Canada's population, growing all the time. More than half of Canada has access to 1200/160 DSL service. And my Mom will have access to DSL in RURAL SASKATCHEWAN (one town of 1000 people every 20 miles) in two years.
You need to quit making excuses, and start screaming at your corporate and governmental "masters" for better results. .
. I *said*... And you've got a damn good point that perhaps ABS shouldn't be mandatory or be hard to disable.
And I wouldn't call a person who thinks mandatory seatbelt laws and airbags a "Naderite", afaik it was a whole lot of Conservatives and Republicans who passed that one.
You may think that I'm an idiot
Now that's the interesting thing about online interaction - you are much more likely to find out what someone really thinks, as opposed to the usual real-world facade.
I'm certain I would have argued with you in a bar if you were one of my friends. It happens all the time when politics and other stuff start getting discussed at 10pm after 6 beer, and someone touches on a subject that one person has touchy sensitivities about.
Of course IRL you and I wouldn't take great personal offense at one another, because we would have spent the other 4/5ths of the night talking about things we have in common or both find funny. But online the person you're facing has usually *just* appeared for this one topic that you are arguing about. So there isn't any cameraderie(sp). Furthermore all you're looking at is the raw text that says "I think you're an idiot for holding that opinion". In a bar, we'd just agree to disagree (with raised voices after 30 minutes of haggling of course:) ), and then go on to discuss the waitresses hot ass.
Hmmm, I've got to remember all that before the next time I call someone an idiot to their face;) .
. Yes, ABS is a huge advantage for autocrossers and novice time trial-ers/track drivers. ... I'd think that as a fellow enthusiast, you would share some of that sentiment.
Ummm, dude, this is Slashdot. Not "Performance Driving Monthly". It's full of average people. Blkdeath's post, the one I responded to, was written in such a way that average people reading it would be lead to believe that ABS is BAD for EVERYONE, including them. NO-ONE was talking about "expert drivers", and we don't want all the average morons in the world thinking that they're better off without ABS braking.
Of course you should be allowed to do whatever the hell you want to on the track. And you've got a damn good point that perhaps ABS shouldn't be mandatory or be hard to disable. I'll let you argue with the Naderites if the only people on the public roads without ABS should be licensed.
if widespread enough, we will all be required to have these contraversial "safety devices" in our cars. Like those stupid automatic shoulderbelts. Or, more to the point, mandatory airbags. (Don't get me started on seatbelt and helmet laws for adults.)
Ummm, I'm not even going to touch that one. You're on your own, and now I think you're an idiot. .
. Thanks for the backup man. I'm reading all these replies, and I'm thinking "where the hell did all these professional drivers come from? I thought I was reading Slashdot, not 'performance monthly'".
Best of all, I like the following quotes from his reply to you:
if widespread enough, we will all be required to have these contraversial "safety devices" in our cars. Like those stupid automatic shoulderbelts. Or, more to the point, mandatory airbags. (Don't get me started on seatbelt and helmet laws for adults.)
Jeesus H. C. "don't get me started on seatbelts"??? Nice. .
eBay should extend an auction by 5 minutes or an hour or a day each time someone bids on an item. That'd get rid of "last minute bid services". (I'd suggest a 5 minute extension - because then there's a natural time for everyone interested in an item to "gather" together and do the final bidding.)
. I was once looking through some of my old favorite Sci-Fi books on Amazon, and noticed a few "top 100" reviewer reviews. I noticed that they all had one thing in common. Two paragraphs. The first paragraph was so generic and "ooh ahh neato" that it could have been about anything. The last paragraph looked like it was paraphrased right from the back/inside cover.
So I went to one of the top 10 reviewers. She claimed to be a librarian who speed reads one book a day, and rewviewed each one. ALL her SciFi book reviews looked just like one another, and all of them had 5 stars out of 5, even some of the worst SciFi I've ever read in my life.
They don't just need meta-moderation. They need personalized meta-moderation. I want to select the group of people whose reviews I trust, and the people whose reviews of reviewers I trust. Maybe the "tragedy of the commons" is ok for Slashdot, but I'd sure hate to have that affecting the reviews that I see for actual products. I want other people like me to review the products that I buy.
This problem ranks right up there along with eBay auctions and the fact that they "close" at a given point in time. In the real world, an auction continues as long as people are making bids. eBay should extend an auction by 5 minutes or an hour or a day each time someone bids on an item. That'd get rid of "last minute bid services". (I'd suggest a 5 minute extension - because then there's a natural time for everyone interested in an item to "gather" together and do the final bidding.) .
There is *nothing* in there that would lead anyone to conclude that removing ABS would be an advantage. Quite the opposite. The only time it increases your stopping distance is a) driver misuse (letting up on the brake due to feedback), b) snow covered road where the "piling up" of snow in front of the wheel helps.
Not having ABS results in the inability to steer and the potential for an undirected skid.
You're unjustified assertions are dangerous sir. I have a sister in law who believes vehemently that ABS is *DANGEROUS*, and who once chewed out a car rep about it. She's an idiot, and is just mad as hell that she couldn't remember to keep the brake down when the feedback came through the pedal, and that ABS ins't a magic pancea that can prevent all crashes. People like you will keep propogating this myth and disinformation, and it must stop here. .
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Free RFID with every purchase!
Now all we need are the home-built electronic designs for our own RFID readers, and we can tag everything in our house with these puppies!
Imagine being able to POSITIVELY identify the stolen TV as yours, despite the serial number being ripped off. How many other uses does this have?
> inability to task-switch efficiently
I had NEVER HEARD of "task-switching" and human beings "multitasking" before pointy haired bosses who want to overburden everyone with 2-3 times as much work and bug you every hour with a new "emergency" came on the scene.
I'm going to have to ask for some references before I dismiss you as a moron.
You still come out ahead because of the improved quality of life from the regular exercise
Yup. Also you need to look at it this way - when you're 68 and about to die, you'd happily agree to spend 2 more years alive jogging!
Thanks for the details, I now understand the technical differences between what you call an ISP and a CLEC. Clearly the Canadian ISP's (which we call DSL Providers) are not CLEC's.
> so there would be the risk of, say, Nexxia providing better service to Sympatico than to other DSL providers.
Absolutely, but to date this has not happened, not in the slightest.
I'd attribute it to Bell's integrity, as well as the tough strong oversight of the industry by the CRTC (Canadian Radio-and-TV Tellecommunications Commission).
So the biggest difference between the US and Canada as I see it, is that our Bell's have not balked at all in extending their networks and driving the technology forward - despite being forced to "share" their lines with all these ISPs. They aren't resorting to hard-ball stances or dirty tricks.
So the big question is, why?
I think it might be a difference in corporate culture, and perhaps a difference in the equitability of the rates they are allowed to charge the ISPs for transit.
If the line cards/DSLAMs, and the ATM traffic through them, are owned and managed by some piece of Bell Canada,
:)
I don't know if the line cards are owned by Nexxia or by the DSL provider. I'm pretty sure the transit from the line card to the DSL provider location is over Nexxia circuits, and Nexxia is a subsiduary of the big Bell, as is Sympatico (the Bell DSL provider), so it's not exactly like they're the one and the same company.
that sounds as if the other DSL providers are ISPs, not CLECs.
The thing that differentiates them from plain-jane ISPs for me is the fact that I the consumer have no contact what-so-ever with Bell. If they were plain ISPs I would "rent the wire aka circuit" from Bell and get ISP services from the ISP.
Are you saying that in the US the CLEC DSL providers actually have to run wire/fiber all the way to the head ends where the line cards are located, and they only "share" (or whatever you want to call it) the last mile of ILEC twisted POTS wire to your home?
If so, the US ILEC's sure are a bunch of whiny baby's, considering what Bell is being forced to share here in the name of competition
(Boy I sure like this "notify upon reply" thing, almost turns Slashdot into a bulletin board. Almost.)
Hmmm, I might be mixing up very specific phone terminology with something slightly different, I'll let you decide which terms are best:
Bell Canada (and Bell Nexxia, their backbone infrastructure division) has the last mile wiring and a big backbone all over the metro areas. Bell Sympatico is the DSL/internet/dialup-ISP subsiduary of Bell Canada. Other DSL providers gets themselves a rack/room downtown, and buys transit over the Nexxia network, and place orders with Bell Nexxia to do the adds/deletes of the line cards for DSL customers, and pay Nexxia/Bell an install fee and (rough guess - $20 a month) for the transit/last-mile service. There are 46 of these companies.
I don't know how many companies are out there providing local phone service, but I think it works in roughly the same way - there aren't as many of them for sure. There are of course tons of companies selling Long Distance service. All over the Bell lines.
Gotta love socialist governments!
Always thinking ahead
Grenfel is a town of 1000, 80 miles from Regina, just 15 miles away from my hometown of Broadview.
Poor Americans. Must be frustrating - and looking at how much they're arguing, it seems they've got absolutely no clue as to what to do about it.
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BULL-shit.
ILEC are required to share their lines to CLEC's, that's why I have 46 choices for DSL here in Toronto, and the ILEC (Bell Canada) has done a FABULOUS job pushing it all out as fast as they can. The rates they are given for the shared lines are reasonable, and so the sharing requirement is not slowing anything down.
The cable companies are fighting their sharing requirement - I'm not sure why it's taken so long to force them to share their monopoly-acquired lines.
In Saskatchewan (the flat empty prairies) DSL is coming to every single little freaking town.
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I live in Toronto. I have 46, yes fourty-six, DSL providers to choose from. Rates for 1200/128 DSL range from $30 CDN to $55 CDN, while rates for 3500/800 DSL range from $40 CDN to $70 CDN.
The incumbent Bell Canada is given a nice big chunk of change whenever they "have to share" their line - the lines they rolled out whilst they were a monopoly and have paid off with their monopoly proceeds.
I've said this before and I'll say it again - in the US there's something wrong with a) whoever is setting the "forced sharing revenue" b) the incumbents who are hell bent on slowing the rollout of DSL wherever possible - and I think the latter comes down to obstanance and a lack of leadership and vision.
My Mother, in SMALL TOWN (800 people) RURAL SASKATCHEWAN (the prairies, exactly like North/South Dakota) 100 miles from the nearest city of 200,000, will be getting 1200/128 DSL within a year.
Something smells down south.
> A player that hasn't logged in since April or May 2002 is so far behind that any attempt to play as-is would be hopeless.
So what are people who just bought and started playing supposed to do?!?!???
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IIRC - there *are* centralized repositories, it's just that it's not a single repository.
IE: You sign up with Sony, and get to use that authorized trust ID with Sony's partners, deciding which of Sony's partners get what level of information.
So Sony or some other big mean corporations will own your ass instead of Microsoft or Sun.
Feel better now?
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Can MD5 hashes be worked-around? I know some types of hashes/checksums can.
Compute the MD5, change the file and make additional changes to offset the initial change, compute the md5 and compare to first, if different continue... etc.
What you really need is a hash that can not be easily worked around.
Or a backup to do a binary diff against.
OOOooh!! I had forgotten about my backups! I'm going to be doing a lot of binary diff's when I get home tonight. (Hmmm, wonder if the "infection" wouldn't also infect a duplicate install of XXX that's sitting on drive G: where it was mirrored/backed-up a few months ago?)
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So if it's an "open" protocol and video stream format, then there should be an alternative to installing Quicktime itself. Can you please identify one?
The last thing I need to do is sepnd my time fighting Quicktime for control over my own system's file associations.
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> Step 1: Install QuickTime player version 5 or 6 for Windows
Ummm, NO.
No I will not install that heavy-gloss and pointy-haired marketing-droid built **configuration-siezing** piece of sh*t on any system I control.
Call back later when you use an open streaming video format that doesn't ask me to bend over.
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I don't buy all these "we're too thinly populated" excuses from America. Canada isn't any more heavily industrialized than America, and yet our DSL providers are *way* ahead of yours.
I think the heart of it is something in the culture and management of the respective telco industries in each country. Canadian telco's embraced DSL as their future, and worked hard to have the infrastructure in place. In Canada ILEC's are forced to share their back ends with third party DSL providers, and so far they haven't resorted to dirty tricks.
In the US, it sounds like they're dragging their feet, and crying loudly about not wanting to share their lines. Not only that, but it sounds like a lot of your copper is pretty crappy (rain taking out DSL service??, never heard of it up here), and your CO's spread thinly - I'm guessing that it's a result of "cheapest at all costs" operating methods.
There are 48, yes forty-eight, different DSL providers in Toronto. I've got 3500 kbps DL and 800 kbps UL for $70 CDN per month, available to over 30% of Canada's population, growing all the time. More than half of Canada has access to 1200/160 DSL service. And my Mom will have access to DSL in RURAL SASKATCHEWAN (one town of 1000 people every 20 miles) in two years.
You need to quit making excuses, and start screaming at your corporate and governmental "masters" for better results.
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:) ), and then go on to discuss the waitresses hot ass.
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I *said*... And you've got a damn good point that perhaps ABS shouldn't be mandatory or be hard to disable.
And I wouldn't call a person who thinks mandatory seatbelt laws and airbags a "Naderite", afaik it was a whole lot of Conservatives and Republicans who passed that one.
You may think that I'm an idiot
Now that's the interesting thing about online interaction - you are much more likely to find out what someone really thinks, as opposed to the usual real-world facade.
I'm certain I would have argued with you in a bar if you were one of my friends. It happens all the time when politics and other stuff start getting discussed at 10pm after 6 beer, and someone touches on a subject that one person has touchy sensitivities about.
Of course IRL you and I wouldn't take great personal offense at one another, because we would have spent the other 4/5ths of the night talking about things we have in common or both find funny. But online the person you're facing has usually *just* appeared for this one topic that you are arguing about. So there isn't any cameraderie(sp). Furthermore all you're looking at is the raw text that says "I think you're an idiot for holding that opinion". In a bar, we'd just agree to disagree (with raised voices after 30 minutes of haggling of course
Hmmm, I've got to remember all that before the next time I call someone an idiot to their face
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Yes, ABS is a huge advantage for autocrossers and novice time trial-ers/track drivers.
I'd think that as a fellow enthusiast, you would share some of that sentiment.
Ummm, dude, this is Slashdot. Not "Performance Driving Monthly". It's full of average people. Blkdeath's post, the one I responded to, was written in such a way that average people reading it would be lead to believe that ABS is BAD for EVERYONE, including them. NO-ONE was talking about "expert drivers", and we don't want all the average morons in the world thinking that they're better off without ABS braking.
Of course you should be allowed to do whatever the hell you want to on the track. And you've got a damn good point that perhaps ABS shouldn't be mandatory or be hard to disable. I'll let you argue with the Naderites if the only people on the public roads without ABS should be licensed.
if widespread enough, we will all be required to have these contraversial "safety devices" in our cars. Like those stupid automatic shoulderbelts. Or, more to the point, mandatory airbags. (Don't get me started on seatbelt and helmet laws for adults.)
Ummm, I'm not even going to touch that one. You're on your own, and now I think you're an idiot.
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Thanks for the backup man. I'm reading all these replies, and I'm thinking "where the hell did all these professional drivers come from? I thought I was reading Slashdot, not 'performance monthly'".
Best of all, I like the following quotes from his reply to you:
if widespread enough, we will all be required to have these contraversial "safety devices" in our cars. Like those stupid automatic shoulderbelts. Or, more to the point, mandatory airbags. (Don't get me started on seatbelt and helmet laws for adults.)
Jeesus H. C. "don't get me started on seatbelts"??? Nice.
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eBay should extend an auction by 5 minutes or an hour or a day each time someone bids on an item. That'd get rid of "last minute bid services". (I'd suggest a 5 minute extension - because then there's a natural time for everyone interested in an item to "gather" together and do the final bidding.)
Shit, I should patent that.
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I was once looking through some of my old favorite Sci-Fi books on Amazon, and noticed a few "top 100" reviewer reviews. I noticed that they all had one thing in common. Two paragraphs. The first paragraph was so generic and "ooh ahh neato" that it could have been about anything. The last paragraph looked like it was paraphrased right from the back/inside cover.
So I went to one of the top 10 reviewers. She claimed to be a librarian who speed reads one book a day, and rewviewed each one. ALL her SciFi book reviews looked just like one another, and all of them had 5 stars out of 5, even some of the worst SciFi I've ever read in my life.
They don't just need meta-moderation. They need personalized meta-moderation. I want to select the group of people whose reviews I trust, and the people whose reviews of reviewers I trust. Maybe the "tragedy of the commons" is ok for Slashdot, but I'd sure hate to have that affecting the reviews that I see for actual products. I want other people like me to review the products that I buy.
This problem ranks right up there along with eBay auctions and the fact that they "close" at a given point in time. In the real world, an auction continues as long as people are making bids. eBay should extend an auction by 5 minutes or an hour or a day each time someone bids on an item. That'd get rid of "last minute bid services". (I'd suggest a 5 minute extension - because then there's a natural time for everyone interested in an item to "gather" together and do the final bidding.)
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byproducts that could be sold as a flavoring
Oh man that's disgusting. Those fuckers better put that crap in fertalizer or where those "fill needed" signs are... not in my food!
What he said.
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I call bullshit, and demand references.
Read the first 10 pages of google results for "abs increases stopping distance".
There is *nothing* in there that would lead anyone to conclude that removing ABS would be an advantage. Quite the opposite. The only time it increases your stopping distance is a) driver misuse (letting up on the brake due to feedback), b) snow covered road where the "piling up" of snow in front of the wheel helps.
Not having ABS results in the inability to steer and the potential for an undirected skid.
You're unjustified assertions are dangerous sir. I have a sister in law who believes vehemently that ABS is *DANGEROUS*, and who once chewed out a car rep about it. She's an idiot, and is just mad as hell that she couldn't remember to keep the brake down when the feedback came through the pedal, and that ABS ins't a magic pancea that can prevent all crashes. People like you will keep propogating this myth and disinformation, and it must stop here.
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Hmm, first review I visited bore out your description - 2 stars out of 5.
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http://www.gamesfirst.com/reviews/clayn/fightingl
But how the h*ll did you get such high reviews here? 5 out of 5? wtf???
http://www.pcgamereview.com/reviews/strategy/prod
Mental note to self, avoid user-reviews like the plague on pcgamereview.com.
Can you ID this person? [sfgate.com]
I can't ID someone without a picture. Not unless you narrow it down from the 300 Million odd people in North America.
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AHMEN Brother!
Who wants to download an 800 MB movie whose quality sucks a** just because someone wanted to save 1-200 MB to squeeze it onto a CDR.
Ok, some of you do. I don't.
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