The problem in the USA today isn't a lack of quality teaching and quality schools or even a lack of quality curriculum. It is an attitude that doing well in school is for social outcast nerds and to be cool you have to ignore school and learning in general.
Really? And where in the USA is this attitude prevalent? I hear so much about this, but it's not really true from my experience growing up in Alabama. The difference between the smart kids who were popular and those who were social outcasts was nothing more than social skills, or the lack thereof. There were a number of popular kids at our school who had excellent grades and academic achievements and they were respected by all for this. It sounds to me more like you were one of the unpopular ones, and this has colored your experiences and ideas of society's expectations. The fact is intelligence is a big positive factor for anyone, but social awkwardness is not. Not that I like this situation any more than you, but it's fact and there is a good (evolutionary) reason for it, considering how important society is to human survival and evolution.
As someone who is not popular, I'm not too keen on your line of reasoning
This pretty much sums up your post. You know nothing about how society really works because you've spent your life at the bottom of it. Allegory of the Cave, and all that.
Because when he leaves school with that degree, he's representing the university. If said university continually turns out dumb asses, its reputation will suffer. Lower reputation leads to less funding, less able to attract top professors, research dollars, etc. It's important for a university to take steps to ensure those who graduate from its halls are as educated as they're supposed to be.
And this will all magically go away when you legalize it, right?
Not every problem with instantly disappear, no. But THAT situation is much better then our PRESENT situation.
Street dealers won't try to undercut the prices of legit distributors?
Dude, obviously you have no understanding of how economics works. Let me break this down for you. A commercial, licensed, and regulated grow operation in 150,000 sq. ft. of warehouse space is going to be a FAR more efficient means of production than 1,000 different joe blows with their half assed 100 sq. ft. grows or whatever. Soon as pot is legalized, prices will remain high for a short time, but then as more players enter the market with marketable products, the price will continue to fall lower and lower. Eventually it will reach commodity status just like anything else. How in the world would an ordinary street drug dealer stay in business selling the same Mexican schwag for rock bottom prices, with all the inefficiencies that are present in his smuggled supply chain, when his customers could just as easily go down to the 7-11 and pick up an O of some bomb ass nug for $50? The answer is, he wouldn't and couldn't. Legalization will be the death blow to "street dealers" and the junk they peddle.
They won't violently fight over shrinking illegal markets?
Sure they will, until they run out of bullets, and the money to buy them. That's what this is about: cutting off their money supply. They might branch over into other criminal enterprises, sure, but that takes time. Thugs need to be paid to remain on your payroll and part of your organization. If your cartel's money supply suddenly gets cut off, suddenly your thugs are working for free, right? That's not going to work for long. It takes time to transition over into other corrupt businesses and a shock like that will kill any organization that isn't already prepared. Criminal organizations aren't really known for planning ahead and saving money back for a rainy day.
They won't lace their shit to get users hooked on their goods specifically?
Who, the street dealers or the companies? The companies can be regulated. The street dealers right now can't.
Legal users of legal drugs will behave better?
I mean, are you really unable to see how removing criminal status from something that shouldn't be a crime will result in much fewer criminals? No anti pot laws means no pot arrests and no pot convictions. Duh. A pothead can live his life in peace, the same as caffeine addicts, chocolate cravers, and wine connossieurs.
What behavior of a pothead do you find so reprehensible that you believe he should be incarcerated and lose the right to vote for the act of growing a plant?
Do you think ecstasy users should be put in jail for taking a drug that, and this is not an exaggeration, one hit of can be the turning point in a depressed person's life, back towards regaining self love and emotional connectedness with others? I speak from experience.
What about LSD, and shrooms, and other banned psychedelics, what is it that offends you about the idea of people taking a drug that alters their perception such that they experience great insight into themselves, which causes them to understand great truths about society and the universe? What's so wrong with the idea of--for a short time--experiencing "ego death" where one can view and judge things from outside one's own perspective, from the perspective of what's good for society, and without the baggage that comes along with the selfish ego?
Just what offends you so much about the idea of people doing drugs and enjoying the human experience in their own way?
Drugs are bad and make people do bad things. You should be free to do drugs, but you should be liable for your actions.
Of course you should be liable for your actions. So when you smoke a big ass bowl of Skunk and clean out your buddy's fridge, you owe him some Cheetos, man.
What the fuck "bad things" do you think are caused by drugs? And how many of these "bad things" are a result of drug usage, as opposed to drug prohibition? Do you think a meth junky is going to rob near as much shit to support his habit if he can get hundreds of 100% pure doses for $10? Fuck no, give that junky $100 and you won't see him for a month straight. Same thing for the crackheads and heroin addicts. Not saying 100% legalization is the right path for all drugs, but clearly for others (such as marijuana) it is the right thing to do.
Do you currently trust the existing laws, enforcement, and punishment to protect you and yours from the fucking druggies? (The correct answer is "fuck no".)
The correct question, why the fuck should you be in such a situation where you "need protection" from the "druggies"? What the fuck is wrong with this picture? Let's work to cure the problems here, not the symptoms.
Or perhaps you disagree and would have no problem living in the meth belt?
Ever heard of Sand Mountain / Marshall County, AL? You might know it from its nickname "Meth Mountain", the name used for the documentary describing this place as one of the top meth producing counties in the US. That's where I'm from. These illegal immigrants (and plenty of skinny white kids I'm sure) are in the business of manufacturing the cheapest, crappiest, most profitable meth they can turn out. Seems like a few times a year a single wide trailer spontaneously explodes or is filled with toxic gas, killing all inside, including babies and small kids in some cases. The illegal nature of this substances means big bucks for those who produce it, and the incentive is to minimize quality and maximize profit. The high price also means those who get hooked on the shit are in many cases driven to robbing their own moms to support their habit. And when they inevitably end up in jail or prison, guess who foots the bill?
The system we have now pretty much ensures that drug addicts end up becoming wards of the state, while at the same time we have to put up with all the negative consequences of their situation (robbery, shoot outs, stabbings, etc.) Compare and contrast that to a system where drug use and manufacture is completely legal, a bump of meth is 5 cents at the gas station with bulk discounts available, and those who are hooked on a substance and need help getting off it, or even those who want to continue using but can't afford to do so, can get help from the government. So yeah it still costs you, but does it cost you nearly as much? And think of all the reduced suffering for everyone. No more (or much less) copper, aluminum, catalytic converters, being stolen, houses and businesses broken into to support habits. No more destroying people's lives by putting through the jail and prison system. You don't realize how much of a racket this shit really is until you yourself experience going to jail for some bullshit, and seeing how they extract money out of you and your family in every possible way. Drug users and minor offenders are how the police and governments support themselves financially, and it's a sad fucking thing.
All this, and how about the people who AREN'T drug addicts? Who are merely peaceful citizens who just like to smoke a joint in the evening to chill out and relieve stress. What about people that are tired of paying the ridiculously over inflated drug war prices for weed, and who just want to grow their own since it's just a damn plant. Some crackhead rats you out to save his own ass and BAM, felony. Why the fuck does a good and law abiding, tax paying citizen deserve to be put through the ringer and have his life ruint over a fucking PLANT? or over a PILL? or any such a stupid and silly thing?
Drug users poison themselves, and I find very few possession charges of "individual use" quantities of drugs that carry mandatory prison time... Drug dealing poisons not only the dealer, but also the community, and almost always carries mandatory prison time - as it should.
What? How the hell is growing a plant and selling its dried flowers "poisoning" anyone? Caffeine has killed more people than marijuana has (which is ZERO.) That's not even to mention its numerous medicinal properties. So tell me, when an A student at an engineering college gets busted for growing a few plants in his closet because some Stasi-style snitch (i.e. neighbor vs neighbor, family vs. family, set up and controlled by the police) ratted him out, and now he's a felon and can't vote or even get a damn job, is that just and fair? Is that the system you want to see continued? Is it because you can't stand the idea of a person deciding to live differently than you, or is it simply because you (like 90% of non drug users) are completely and proudly ignorant as to what the whole thing is even all about? Try smoking a joint some time, see what happens, then get back to me about how just and holy you still think it is for non violent, otherwise non-criminal drug users to be imprisoned, fined, and branded for their "crimes."
And the alternative is what? That they continue making 100% of their revenue and waging war as they presently do? So because we dragged our asses too long to put a stop to this war before it began, by exterminating its causes (unjust and wrong drug prohibition), now we're stuck with it and we just continue the status quo?
There's still a lot of cultural pressure telling women (everyone really) that the important things in life are popularity, beauty, love, and child-rearing
Their culture isn't telling them that--it's their genes.
Of course women can do well in science, it's just that most women are not interested in a scientific career, regardless of culture.
*Every* carrier charges something like $4.99/min to Afghanistan. Thuraya just happens to be one of the crappier ones. (Don't use their satellite phones--they SUCK.) Afghanistan actually has surprisingly good cell phone coverage, but few or no landlines due to its ruggedness.
I think the real ethical problem is when subcultures denigrate the attempts of their peers to rise above their current socioeconomic status with education, thereby denying social advancement where it is arguably the most needed.
Have you ever even met a black person before? I'm from the south, I've been around plenty of then. Their "dialect" is not due to peers "denigrating attempts to rise above socioeconmic status" or any such nonsense. They speak their way the same reason I speak mine, because that's the environment I was raised up in and learned. The black community is just as proud of their achievers and success stories as any white person is, they just don't (as a whole) have as many opportunities easily available to them.
If you had to consider the costs of the computer to be the hardware and the actual software costs, then the cost would be quite significant. In the days of yore when the 286, 386, 486 etc were being sold a lot of full featured software was bundled. Trial-ware was non-existent (unless you consider share-ware trial-ware). In actuality, it was OSS that drove down the cost by providing a quality free option.
No it wasn't. I remember those days you speak of. A bare bones desktop computer system with NO software sold for $2000+ "back in the day." It wasn't the software licensing that made computers so expensive. And popular shareware software was often leaps and bounds better than a lot of the open source hackery people use these days.
Plants do grow faster in hydroponic systems. (The reason drowning your plants in a pool won't work is because the roots are starved of oxygen.) Plants also do grow faster (and tolerate higher temperatures) with extra CO2.
But one thing I've never done, never seen done, and never heard of being done is providing plants with extra CO2 to enhance their size, productivity or other properties.
It's commonly done in the pot growing community. Small to large amounts of extra CO2 gives faster growth and better tolerance of higher temperatures.
It takes very little effort to turn the wheels when they are already rolling.
Really? Ever tried it when your power steering box isn't receiving pressure from the power steering pump, since DUI nanny decided to suddenly shut off your motor right in the middle of a maneuver? Try driving my Chevy truck some time, I did an engine swap and didnt reinstall the PS pump. It's a total bitch to steer from a stop on pavement of course, and manageable from a roll, but does require a lot more effort, and the sudden transition from "no effort" to "moderate effort" is not something you want to suddenly experience in a tight spot. It could very well mean the difference between a bad wreck and a near miss.
Same thing on brakes. It's not about the ABS being triggered, it's about losing all power braking assist. On most cars not only will it require more effort to stop, but it's harder to modulate the braking as well.
"Antisocial behavior"? Are you aware that there are areas of the country where drinking and driving is the norm and is not nearly as frowned upon as it seems to be wherever you live?
Choosing to drink and drive is choosing to needlessly endanger other people on the road.
For certainly values of "needlessly", "endanger", and "other people on the road", sure.
He's a troll because he's a troll. We drug users are sick of tired of ignorant non-users getting up on their high horse and blaming us, saying "well if you didnt do drugs..." as if your "clean and sober" life makes you a better person than me. He starts with the idiotic personal opinion that drugs are "bad" and should be banned, and then bases his entire argument on that, blaming drug users for the violence in Mexico. When you start with fucked up and incredibly biased premises, your conclusion is by definition, shit, and unworthy of being broadcast to other rational people--UNLESS you just want to stir people up and anger them.
We're tired of being looked down upon, being forced into the shadows of society because of a bunch of fucking Puritans can't pull their heads out of their asses for long enough to smoke one joint, and thus put themselves on the path towards learning the actual truth about drugs and seeing through the bullshit. But I guess that'd mean a lot of people would have to realize and accept they'd been ignorant and stupid for the past XX years, so it's easier to just keep on buying the lie and denounce anyone who disagrees as a druggie or pothead.
Everything you know is wrong.
The problem in the USA today isn't a lack of quality teaching and quality schools or even a lack of quality curriculum. It is an attitude that doing well in school is for social outcast nerds and to be cool you have to ignore school and learning in general.
Really? And where in the USA is this attitude prevalent? I hear so much about this, but it's not really true from my experience growing up in Alabama. The difference between the smart kids who were popular and those who were social outcasts was nothing more than social skills, or the lack thereof. There were a number of popular kids at our school who had excellent grades and academic achievements and they were respected by all for this. It sounds to me more like you were one of the unpopular ones, and this has colored your experiences and ideas of society's expectations. The fact is intelligence is a big positive factor for anyone, but social awkwardness is not. Not that I like this situation any more than you, but it's fact and there is a good (evolutionary) reason for it, considering how important society is to human survival and evolution.
As someone who is not popular, I'm not too keen on your line of reasoning
This pretty much sums up your post. You know nothing about how society really works because you've spent your life at the bottom of it. Allegory of the Cave, and all that.
Therefore, it is physically/biologically impossible to regenerate the original 3D impression with lateral cameras.
The difficult we do right away. The impossible takes a little longer.
Because when he leaves school with that degree, he's representing the university. If said university continually turns out dumb asses, its reputation will suffer. Lower reputation leads to less funding, less able to attract top professors, research dollars, etc. It's important for a university to take steps to ensure those who graduate from its halls are as educated as they're supposed to be.
Let's drop you in the middle of Somalia and see how far your hard work gets you.
Or the converse--let's drop a Somalian in the middle of the US, give him a green card, and let's see how far his hard work gets him!
And "X" never, ever marks the spot
And this will all magically go away when you legalize it, right?
Not every problem with instantly disappear, no. But THAT situation is much better then our PRESENT situation.
Street dealers won't try to undercut the prices of legit distributors?
Dude, obviously you have no understanding of how economics works. Let me break this down for you. A commercial, licensed, and regulated grow operation in 150,000 sq. ft. of warehouse space is going to be a FAR more efficient means of production than 1,000 different joe blows with their half assed 100 sq. ft. grows or whatever. Soon as pot is legalized, prices will remain high for a short time, but then as more players enter the market with marketable products, the price will continue to fall lower and lower. Eventually it will reach commodity status just like anything else. How in the world would an ordinary street drug dealer stay in business selling the same Mexican schwag for rock bottom prices, with all the inefficiencies that are present in his smuggled supply chain, when his customers could just as easily go down to the 7-11 and pick up an O of some bomb ass nug for $50? The answer is, he wouldn't and couldn't. Legalization will be the death blow to "street dealers" and the junk they peddle.
They won't violently fight over shrinking illegal markets?
Sure they will, until they run out of bullets, and the money to buy them. That's what this is about: cutting off their money supply. They might branch over into other criminal enterprises, sure, but that takes time. Thugs need to be paid to remain on your payroll and part of your organization. If your cartel's money supply suddenly gets cut off, suddenly your thugs are working for free, right? That's not going to work for long. It takes time to transition over into other corrupt businesses and a shock like that will kill any organization that isn't already prepared. Criminal organizations aren't really known for planning ahead and saving money back for a rainy day.
They won't lace their shit to get users hooked on their goods specifically?
Who, the street dealers or the companies? The companies can be regulated. The street dealers right now can't.
Legal users of legal drugs will behave better?
I mean, are you really unable to see how removing criminal status from something that shouldn't be a crime will result in much fewer criminals? No anti pot laws means no pot arrests and no pot convictions. Duh. A pothead can live his life in peace, the same as caffeine addicts, chocolate cravers, and wine connossieurs.
What behavior of a pothead do you find so reprehensible that you believe he should be incarcerated and lose the right to vote for the act of growing a plant?
Do you think ecstasy users should be put in jail for taking a drug that, and this is not an exaggeration, one hit of can be the turning point in a depressed person's life, back towards regaining self love and emotional connectedness with others? I speak from experience.
What about LSD, and shrooms, and other banned psychedelics, what is it that offends you about the idea of people taking a drug that alters their perception such that they experience great insight into themselves, which causes them to understand great truths about society and the universe? What's so wrong with the idea of--for a short time--experiencing "ego death" where one can view and judge things from outside one's own perspective, from the perspective of what's good for society, and without the baggage that comes along with the selfish ego?
Just what offends you so much about the idea of people doing drugs and enjoying the human experience in their own way?
Why are the prisons filled with a good portion of non-violent criminals then?
Why are these people's getting contacts and learning to be violent criminals while in prison as well?
And why are there companies, entire industries making assloads of money off the entire process?
+5, Informative
What a crock of shit. Let's see:
Drugs are bad and make people do bad things.
You should be free to do drugs, but you should be liable for your actions.
Of course you should be liable for your actions. So when you smoke a big ass bowl of Skunk and clean out your buddy's fridge, you owe him some Cheetos, man.
What the fuck "bad things" do you think are caused by drugs? And how many of these "bad things" are a result of drug usage, as opposed to drug prohibition? Do you think a meth junky is going to rob near as much shit to support his habit if he can get hundreds of 100% pure doses for $10? Fuck no, give that junky $100 and you won't see him for a month straight. Same thing for the crackheads and heroin addicts. Not saying 100% legalization is the right path for all drugs, but clearly for others (such as marijuana) it is the right thing to do.
Do you currently trust the existing laws, enforcement, and punishment to protect you and yours from the fucking druggies? (The correct answer is "fuck no".)
The correct question, why the fuck should you be in such a situation where you "need protection" from the "druggies"? What the fuck is wrong with this picture? Let's work to cure the problems here, not the symptoms.
Or perhaps you disagree and would have no problem living in the meth belt?
Ever heard of Sand Mountain / Marshall County, AL? You might know it from its nickname "Meth Mountain", the name used for the documentary describing this place as one of the top meth producing counties in the US. That's where I'm from. These illegal immigrants (and plenty of skinny white kids I'm sure) are in the business of manufacturing the cheapest, crappiest, most profitable meth they can turn out. Seems like a few times a year a single wide trailer spontaneously explodes or is filled with toxic gas, killing all inside, including babies and small kids in some cases. The illegal nature of this substances means big bucks for those who produce it, and the incentive is to minimize quality and maximize profit. The high price also means those who get hooked on the shit are in many cases driven to robbing their own moms to support their habit. And when they inevitably end up in jail or prison, guess who foots the bill?
The system we have now pretty much ensures that drug addicts end up becoming wards of the state, while at the same time we have to put up with all the negative consequences of their situation (robbery, shoot outs, stabbings, etc.) Compare and contrast that to a system where drug use and manufacture is completely legal, a bump of meth is 5 cents at the gas station with bulk discounts available, and those who are hooked on a substance and need help getting off it, or even those who want to continue using but can't afford to do so, can get help from the government. So yeah it still costs you, but does it cost you nearly as much? And think of all the reduced suffering for everyone. No more (or much less) copper, aluminum, catalytic converters, being stolen, houses and businesses broken into to support habits. No more destroying people's lives by putting through the jail and prison system. You don't realize how much of a racket this shit really is until you yourself experience going to jail for some bullshit, and seeing how they extract money out of you and your family in every possible way. Drug users and minor offenders are how the police and governments support themselves financially, and it's a sad fucking thing.
All this, and how about the people who AREN'T drug addicts? Who are merely peaceful citizens who just like to smoke a joint in the evening to chill out and relieve stress. What about people that are tired of paying the ridiculously over inflated drug war prices for weed, and who just want to grow their own since it's just a damn plant. Some crackhead rats you out to save his own ass and BAM, felony. Why the fuck does a good and law abiding, tax paying citizen deserve to be put through the ringer and have his life ruint over a fucking PLANT? or over a PILL? or any such a stupid and silly thing?
Drug users poison themselves, and I find very few possession charges of "individual use" quantities of drugs that carry mandatory prison time... Drug dealing poisons not only the dealer, but also the community, and almost always carries mandatory prison time - as it should.
What? How the hell is growing a plant and selling its dried flowers "poisoning" anyone? Caffeine has killed more people than marijuana has (which is ZERO.) That's not even to mention its numerous medicinal properties. So tell me, when an A student at an engineering college gets busted for growing a few plants in his closet because some Stasi-style snitch (i.e. neighbor vs neighbor, family vs. family, set up and controlled by the police) ratted him out, and now he's a felon and can't vote or even get a damn job, is that just and fair? Is that the system you want to see continued? Is it because you can't stand the idea of a person deciding to live differently than you, or is it simply because you (like 90% of non drug users) are completely and proudly ignorant as to what the whole thing is even all about? Try smoking a joint some time, see what happens, then get back to me about how just and holy you still think it is for non violent, otherwise non-criminal drug users to be imprisoned, fined, and branded for their "crimes."
And the alternative is what? That they continue making 100% of their revenue and waging war as they presently do? So because we dragged our asses too long to put a stop to this war before it began, by exterminating its causes (unjust and wrong drug prohibition), now we're stuck with it and we just continue the status quo?
There's still a lot of cultural pressure telling women (everyone really) that the important things in life are popularity, beauty, love, and child-rearing
Their culture isn't telling them that--it's their genes.
Of course women can do well in science, it's just that most women are not interested in a scientific career, regardless of culture.
I think that you will find that not true in many many fields. Because the experts or authorities see the garbage that is written there and correct it.
Only to have it reverted within an hour.
*Every* carrier charges something like $4.99/min to Afghanistan. Thuraya just happens to be one of the crappier ones. (Don't use their satellite phones--they SUCK.) Afghanistan actually has surprisingly good cell phone coverage, but few or no landlines due to its ruggedness.
I think he meant AC's mom.
And we've all had her too
OK, have you ever been to the South, have any idea what the actual realities are down there? Apparently not.
I think the real ethical problem is when subcultures denigrate the attempts of their peers to rise above their current socioeconomic status with education, thereby denying social advancement where it is arguably the most needed.
Have you ever even met a black person before? I'm from the south, I've been around plenty of then. Their "dialect" is not due to peers "denigrating attempts to rise above socioeconmic status" or any such nonsense. They speak their way the same reason I speak mine, because that's the environment I was raised up in and learned. The black community is just as proud of their achievers and success stories as any white person is, they just don't (as a whole) have as many opportunities easily available to them.
If you had to consider the costs of the computer to be the hardware and the actual software costs, then the cost would be quite significant. In the days of yore when the 286, 386, 486 etc were being sold a lot of full featured software was bundled. Trial-ware was non-existent (unless you consider share-ware trial-ware).
In actuality, it was OSS that drove down the cost by providing a quality free option.
No it wasn't. I remember those days you speak of. A bare bones desktop computer system with NO software sold for $2000+ "back in the day." It wasn't the software licensing that made computers so expensive. And popular shareware software was often leaps and bounds better than a lot of the open source hackery people use these days.
Plants do grow faster in hydroponic systems. (The reason drowning your plants in a pool won't work is because the roots are starved of oxygen.) Plants also do grow faster (and tolerate higher temperatures) with extra CO2.
But one thing I've never done, never seen done, and never heard of being done is providing plants with extra CO2 to enhance their size, productivity or other properties.
It's commonly done in the pot growing community. Small to large amounts of extra CO2 gives faster growth and better tolerance of higher temperatures.
It takes very little effort to turn the wheels when they are already rolling.
Really? Ever tried it when your power steering box isn't receiving pressure from the power steering pump, since DUI nanny decided to suddenly shut off your motor right in the middle of a maneuver? Try driving my Chevy truck some time, I did an engine swap and didnt reinstall the PS pump. It's a total bitch to steer from a stop on pavement of course, and manageable from a roll, but does require a lot more effort, and the sudden transition from "no effort" to "moderate effort" is not something you want to suddenly experience in a tight spot. It could very well mean the difference between a bad wreck and a near miss.
Same thing on brakes. It's not about the ABS being triggered, it's about losing all power braking assist. On most cars not only will it require more effort to stop, but it's harder to modulate the braking as well.
"Antisocial behavior"? Are you aware that there are areas of the country where drinking and driving is the norm and is not nearly as frowned upon as it seems to be wherever you live?
Choosing to drink and drive is choosing to needlessly endanger other people on the road.
For certainly values of "needlessly", "endanger", and "other people on the road", sure.
He's a troll because he's a troll. We drug users are sick of tired of ignorant non-users getting up on their high horse and blaming us, saying "well if you didnt do drugs..." as if your "clean and sober" life makes you a better person than me. He starts with the idiotic personal opinion that drugs are "bad" and should be banned, and then bases his entire argument on that, blaming drug users for the violence in Mexico. When you start with fucked up and incredibly biased premises, your conclusion is by definition, shit, and unworthy of being broadcast to other rational people--UNLESS you just want to stir people up and anger them.
We're tired of being looked down upon, being forced into the shadows of society because of a bunch of fucking Puritans can't pull their heads out of their asses for long enough to smoke one joint, and thus put themselves on the path towards learning the actual truth about drugs and seeing through the bullshit. But I guess that'd mean a lot of people would have to realize and accept they'd been ignorant and stupid for the past XX years, so it's easier to just keep on buying the lie and denounce anyone who disagrees as a druggie or pothead.