... After all you have public education and you aren't screaming about being socialists....
You are not paying close enough attention. After dumbing-down curriculum as much as possible, adding useless standardized high-stakes tests, vilifying and demoralizing teachers and choking the school systems for funding (unless FOOTBALL might get cut) many twits are whining about the failure of our socialized, public education systems. Some like to go on about how the charter schools do a better job of educating children - despite the fact the the kids end up doing worse on those standardized tests, teachers are paid less, but the owners get to pocket the money as profit that should be paying for education - oh, and they get to share it with some elected representatives.
I do love how they bring up the boogeyman of rationing health care, what the hell do you think we have now? Clearly some have never gone without some kind of health insurance in their lifetime or they'd already know about rationing.
Why do you think that people in other parts of the world don't desire freedom as Americans do?
Just because we can't fix all the problems at once, doesn't mean we shouldn't try and help with the ones we can.
Piss the world off when the US inserts itself in these sort of conflicts, piss the world off when the US doesn't get involved. Either way it is the fault of the big, bad, USofA. I am not going to be an apologist for the many dumb things the US has done in the world over the years, but the US does not have a corner on that particular market. Not all the bad things that happen in the world are our fault.
Hell, Putin seems hell-bent on restarting the cold war to rebuild the glory of the Soviet Union, I see no need to provide him with an excuse by getting involved in a proxy war in the middle east this time instead of southeast Asia..and asking the Chinese for the money to finance it.
Likely the town was there before the highway that drove up their traffic volume was built. If people are not paying attention and speeding through the city just to get somewhere else, fuck 'em, write 'em tickets so they learn to slow down or find a different route. Perhaps I am jaded by all the people speeding down my street rushing to the highway on ramps. 35MPH and not many are doing it. I've taken to tossing gravel at them as they race by while waiting to put my kindergartener on her school bus. People live on these streets and their lives are just as important as the one you have living in your mcmansion on a cul-de-sac.
Perhaps they ought to leave a little earlier for work in the morning
Does their charter indicate that they need to pursue courses of action that are profitable to their shareholders? Of course. But not at a cost to the host nation that supports them. To suggest otherwise is extremely damaging to the society we live in, and it's disheartening to see such ideas even bandied about.
Sadly that seems to be the prevailing view among the business types these days, and has been since the "Reagan revolution." Business can do no wrong as long as it makes money for itself, and sometimes the share holders if management/board of directors isn't to busy screwing them, too. Likely they won't be happy until everyplace looks like Somalia.
I'm not familiar with the Airline unions, but I have experience with other unions in other sectors. Pay based on seniority is often indeed required by the union. However, the fact that experience does not carry over, is not required by the union, it is the price they had to pay. Seniority can be carried over during contract negotiation.
I am sure this is the case - how would it ever be in the employee/union's interest to include language to prevent pilots from "jumping ship" for more pay (the way IT folks do?) No, this was something put in the contract by the employer. Once done, they may well blame the union for it "we'd like to pay you more, but the union won't let us." - but if one checks with the negotiating team I'm sure you'd hear how management's negotiator pushed that language. Remember, since it is a negotiation you don't get everything you might want.
I see first hand such baloney where I work: If you get promoted the highest increase you can receive is a 10% pay increase, if they hire from outside, well, the sky is the limit.
if there is a shortage it is their own fault for not planning for the future and using their regional airlines as a farm system for finding/training good pilots - too bad it made more short term sense to pay the regional pilots crap wages and pocket the money. I know regional pilots than make more money waiting tables than flying the planes. Pity
You noticed that? Shame more people don't. Seems to pretty much start with Reagan busting PATCO signaling open season on unions to the business community. Now those lines on the graph keep getting further and further apart.
Funny that with the dramatic decline in union membership and strength Unions are still blamed for everything that is wrong with manufacturing in the USA.
Can't have that in most states. The union MUST represent EVERYBODY whether they join or not. Why would folks want to pay union dies if they get the same benefits (contract, working conditions, etc) without having to pay the dues? That gets you a weak, useless union that is not in a position to help anybody.
In my union we do NOT mandate membership, but non-members do have to pay a "fair share" fee to the union which is the portion of the union dues that runs the union - and does not go toward political activity. In our case it is the same since my union does not use any of the money coming out of dues for political activity.
Not all unions are run the way the teamsters were in the seventies. Most unions do not have highly paid high mucky-mucks getting rich off of running the unions - leadership is elected by the union memebers from the location where you work
Where I work our contract includes "fair share" for non members. You DO NOT have to join the union, but YOU DO have to pay your "fair share" portion of the union dues that pays for the operation of the union. Why? Because you benefit from the contract that the union negotiated for the entire group, because BY LAW the union MUST represent you whether you are a member or not.
Time and again the most loud-mouthed, union-bashing, "I make my own way" complainers about the fair share fee were always the first ones in my office wanting to know what the union was going to do to fix their problem, to help them deal with a disciplinary issue, fix their poor performance issues or fight their pending layoff. Suddenly wasn't it nice that there was someone to help them in their time of need? As much as I would have liked to tell them to go deal with it on their own I was bound by law to represent them
I never wanted to work where there was a union, but I was the first one in my area to sign an organizing card - I was tired of getting screwed over. I spent 12 years as a steward with eight of them as chief steward as well as being on the negotiating team. Unlike many on/. that comment on unions I have first hand experience working somewhere that went through the stages of organizing and running a union.
I remember a labor relations professor saying that firms get the unions they deserve. That makes sense. Treat people well and FAIRLY why woul dthey ever want to form a union? Treat people like crap and they will be receptive to a union organizers speech.
You want vocational ed., go to a tech school. You want a college degree, you go to college. Part of having a bachelor's degree is a body of knowledge that you were supposed to have learned regardless of your major...if you were paying attention.
The primary reason tuition keeps going up at the STATE university I work at is that fact that the state cuts its support for higher education every damn budget cycle. Add the ever dropping state subsidy to everything else that keeps going up, like heath care coverage for employees, physical plant maintenance...but is sure ain't going onto the salaries of anyone below vice-president level.
Nope, the availability of supposed " infinite buying power." has little to do with the cost of tuition.
It is a shame that those highly paid administrators outsourced so many core functions so now we are over a barrel when Blackboard, IBM, or Oracle jack their rates through the roof at renewal time.
Today, unions exist to protect jobs - meaning that a poorly performing worker is protected and cannot be fired.
what a line of bullshit. EVERY contract includes language on how to get ride of underperforming workers. The problem is most managers are too lazy to follow it. I have een it where I work multiple times...and not just with workers that are in the union.
The unions want the process outlined in the contract to be followed. Why would the productive members of a unionized workforce even want to "carry" the lazy ones? The argument makes no sense.
then those that are getting screwed by lack of performance recognition ought to make sure the next contract includes language to support such recognition. It is not that difficult to do.
on the other hand management may LIKE being able to blame the "big bad union" for not being able to recognize better workers, when there is no language in the contract that prohibits that from happening.
Home schooling, charter schools, private schools - all these things operate well and better than public schools, all without unions.
Except that they don't. Time and again it has been shown that children attending charter schools perform the same as or more often worse on standardized tests. Maybe not a great metric, but it is the one we seem to be stuck with
In Ohio we have also seen just home much money is siphoned-off to the management and share holders of these charter schools rather then actually being used for the education of children attending the schools.
In 2011-12, just 1 percent of Ohio charter schools earned that top rating. As a group, as has been the case for years, they continue to lag behind traditional schools in academics.
“It’s clear (the charter school model) isn’t working,” said Stephen Dyer, Education Policy Fellow for Columbus-based Innovation Ohio, a nonpartisan think tank. The group released a report last week about the high costs and low ratings of charter schools.
That seems to be the case that I see. Positions that want YEARS of experience, long lists of certifications, and pay around $34,000.
Same with any other area, there is no shortage of people wanting jobs, there *is* a shortage of people wanting to be slaves. Shouldn't "market forces" tell these "job creators" that they are not paying enough?
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... After all you have public education and you aren't screaming about being socialists....
You are not paying close enough attention. After dumbing-down curriculum as much as possible, adding useless standardized high-stakes tests, vilifying and demoralizing teachers and choking the school systems for funding (unless FOOTBALL might get cut) many twits are whining about the failure of our socialized, public education systems. Some like to go on about how the charter schools do a better job of educating children - despite the fact the the kids end up doing worse on those standardized tests, teachers are paid less, but the owners get to pocket the money as profit that should be paying for education - oh, and they get to share it with some elected representatives.
I do love how they bring up the boogeyman of rationing health care, what the hell do you think we have now? Clearly some have never gone without some kind of health insurance in their lifetime or they'd already know about rationing.
Why do you think that people in other parts of the world don't desire freedom as Americans do?
Just because we can't fix all the problems at once, doesn't mean we shouldn't try and help with the ones we can.
Piss the world off when the US inserts itself in these sort of conflicts, piss the world off when the US doesn't get involved. Either way it is the fault of the big, bad, USofA. I am not going to be an apologist for the many dumb things the US has done in the world over the years, but the US does not have a corner on that particular market. Not all the bad things that happen in the world are our fault.
Hell, Putin seems hell-bent on restarting the cold war to rebuild the glory of the Soviet Union, I see no need to provide him with an excuse by getting involved in a proxy war in the middle east this time instead of southeast Asia..and asking the Chinese for the money to finance it.
Likely the town was there before the highway that drove up their traffic volume was built. If people are not paying attention and speeding through the city just to get somewhere else, fuck 'em, write 'em tickets so they learn to slow down or find a different route. Perhaps I am jaded by all the people speeding down my street rushing to the highway on ramps. 35MPH and not many are doing it. I've taken to tossing gravel at them as they race by while waiting to put my kindergartener on her school bus. People live on these streets and their lives are just as important as the one you have living in your mcmansion on a cul-de-sac.
Perhaps they ought to leave a little earlier for work in the morning
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Does their charter indicate that they need to pursue courses of action that are profitable to their shareholders? Of course. But not at a cost to the host nation that supports them. To suggest otherwise is extremely damaging to the society we live in, and it's disheartening to see such ideas even bandied about.
Sadly that seems to be the prevailing view among the business types these days, and has been since the "Reagan revolution." Business can do no wrong as long as it makes money for itself, and sometimes the share holders if management/board of directors isn't to busy screwing them, too. Likely they won't be happy until everyplace looks like Somalia.
Pity that Google even has user's private data to give to governments
You don't work in higher education, do you?
I'm not familiar with the Airline unions, but I have experience with other unions in other sectors. Pay based on seniority is often indeed required by the union. However, the fact that experience does not carry over, is not required by the union, it is the price they had to pay. Seniority can be carried over during contract negotiation.
I am sure this is the case - how would it ever be in the employee/union's interest to include language to prevent pilots from "jumping ship" for more pay (the way IT folks do?) No, this was something put in the contract by the employer. Once done, they may well blame the union for it "we'd like to pay you more, but the union won't let us." - but if one checks with the negotiating team I'm sure you'd hear how management's negotiator pushed that language. Remember, since it is a negotiation you don't get everything you might want.
I see first hand such baloney where I work: If you get promoted the highest increase you can receive is a 10% pay increase, if they hire from outside, well, the sky is the limit.
if there is a shortage it is their own fault for not planning for the future and using their regional airlines as a farm system for finding/training good pilots - too bad it made more short term sense to pay the regional pilots crap wages and pocket the money. I know regional pilots than make more money waiting tables than flying the planes. Pity
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Right to work for less states.
so much easier than just treating your employees well and fairly - but that might cut into someone's bonus
You noticed that? Shame more people don't. Seems to pretty much start with Reagan busting PATCO signaling open season on unions to the business community. Now those lines on the graph keep getting further and further apart.
Funny that with the dramatic decline in union membership and strength Unions are still blamed for everything that is wrong with manufacturing in the USA.
Can't have that in most states. The union MUST represent EVERYBODY whether they join or not. Why would folks want to pay union dies if they get the same benefits (contract, working conditions, etc) without having to pay the dues? That gets you a weak, useless union that is not in a position to help anybody.
In my union we do NOT mandate membership, but non-members do have to pay a "fair share" fee to the union which is the portion of the union dues that runs the union - and does not go toward political activity. In our case it is the same since my union does not use any of the money coming out of dues for political activity.
Not all unions are run the way the teamsters were in the seventies. Most unions do not have highly paid high mucky-mucks getting rich off of running the unions - leadership is elected by the union memebers from the location where you work
Where I work our contract includes "fair share" for non members. You DO NOT have to join the union, but YOU DO have to pay your "fair share" portion of the union dues that pays for the operation of the union. Why? Because you benefit from the contract that the union negotiated for the entire group, because BY LAW the union MUST represent you whether you are a member or not.
Time and again the most loud-mouthed, union-bashing, "I make my own way" complainers about the fair share fee were always the first ones in my office wanting to know what the union was going to do to fix their problem, to help them deal with a disciplinary issue, fix their poor performance issues or fight their pending layoff. Suddenly wasn't it nice that there was someone to help them in their time of need? As much as I would have liked to tell them to go deal with it on their own I was bound by law to represent them
I never wanted to work where there was a union, but I was the first one in my area to sign an organizing card - I was tired of getting screwed over. I spent 12 years as a steward with eight of them as chief steward as well as being on the negotiating team. Unlike many on /. that comment on unions I have first hand experience working somewhere that went through the stages of organizing and running a union.
I remember a labor relations professor saying that firms get the unions they deserve. That makes sense. Treat people well and FAIRLY why woul dthey ever want to form a union? Treat people like crap and they will be receptive to a union organizers speech.
Don't treat your employees like shit and they won't want to/need to form a union.
Oh, and we have water, too.
You want vocational ed., go to a tech school. You want a college degree, you go to college. Part of having a bachelor's degree is a body of knowledge that you were supposed to have learned regardless of your major...if you were paying attention.
Wait, I thought the GOP didn't like it when the government picked winners and losers?
The primary reason tuition keeps going up at the STATE university I work at is that fact that the state cuts its support for higher education every damn budget cycle. Add the ever dropping state subsidy to everything else that keeps going up, like heath care coverage for employees, physical plant maintenance...but is sure ain't going onto the salaries of anyone below vice-president level.
Nope, the availability of supposed " infinite buying power." has little to do with the cost of tuition.
It is a shame that those highly paid administrators outsourced so many core functions so now we are over a barrel when Blackboard, IBM, or Oracle jack their rates through the roof at renewal time.
Maybe you should actually see the Detroit metropolitan area before passing such judgement.
Today, unions exist to protect jobs - meaning that a poorly performing worker is protected and cannot be fired.
what a line of bullshit. EVERY contract includes language on how to get ride of underperforming workers. The problem is most managers are too lazy to follow it. I have een it where I work multiple times...and not just with workers that are in the union.
The unions want the process outlined in the contract to be followed. Why would the productive members of a unionized workforce even want to "carry" the lazy ones? The argument makes no sense.
then those that are getting screwed by lack of performance recognition ought to make sure the next contract includes language to support such recognition. It is not that difficult to do.
on the other hand management may LIKE being able to blame the "big bad union" for not being able to recognize better workers, when there is no language in the contract that prohibits that from happening.
funny that. The union contract where I work does support performance-based rewards.
Home schooling, charter schools, private schools - all these things operate well and better than public schools, all without unions.
Except that they don't. Time and again it has been shown that children attending charter schools perform the same as or more often worse on standardized tests. Maybe not a great metric, but it is the one we seem to be stuck with
In Ohio we have also seen just home much money is siphoned-off to the management and share holders of these charter schools rather then actually being used for the education of children attending the schools.
In 2011-12, just 1 percent of Ohio charter schools earned that top rating. As a group, as has been the case for years, they continue to lag behind traditional schools in academics.
“It’s clear (the charter school model) isn’t working,” said Stephen Dyer, Education Policy Fellow for Columbus-based Innovation Ohio, a nonpartisan think tank. The group released a report last week about the high costs and low ratings of charter schools.
http://news.cincinnati.com/ 30 Oct 2012
Guilty.
That seems to be the case that I see. Positions that want YEARS of experience, long lists of certifications, and pay around $34,000.
Same with any other area, there is no shortage of people wanting jobs, there *is* a shortage of people wanting to be slaves. Shouldn't "market forces" tell these "job creators" that they are not paying enough?
I beg to differ, I thing we can be and *are* far more stupid than the British.
Yet another big win for the insurance companies.