NeXT didn't go bankrupt, they were operating profitably and sold out for about $400M.
Wrong...and even if that were true, the writing was on the wall. Take a look at Sun or SGI if you want to see what NeXT would have become it they didn't sell out to Apple. (Or more accurately, if Gassé didn't get greedy and ask for too much for Be).
From a technical standpoint, of course you are correct. But from a business, financial, and marketing standpoint, Apple bought out NeXT. The market for a NeXT computer and an Apple computer were and are totally different.
Because I've seen this argument 10 billion times on Slashdot. It was dumb then, and it was dumb now. There's nothing "artificial" about limiting the product line. It helps prevent consumer confusion. It has been a tremendously profitable decision for Apple-and not just in the computer line.
Take the iPod vs. Zen, where Zen used to have myriad different players with different specs (5GB, 10GB, 15GB, some with FM radio, some without, etc). iPod's product line is getting increasingly convoluted, but it's still not nearly as bad as Zen. There's other reasons behind Apple's success besides flashy marketing, but few on this site seem to realize that.
Well, back in the OpenStep days, NeXT published a shopping list of what hardware they supported. They wouldn't have to promise to support everything the way that MS does. IIRC, they sold OpenStep 4.2 for $800 for a user seat, and $1500 for a developer seat.
Yeah, and now NeXT is king of the computer world?
Oh no, I mean they went bankrupt and had to be rescued by Apple (which in turn rescued Apple). No, I don't think emulating NeXT business practices is the ticket to greater profits for Apple.
I applaud your...chutzpah...at offering unsupported, solipsistic assertions to one of the most successful computer companies out there. I'm sure Apple management is searching Slashdot for geniuses like you, and no doubt you will be hired immediately as a consultant. When you're charging 3 bills an hour for your services, do us a favor, and remember the little guys that modded your drivel up for everyone to see.
In fact, if you modded Sycraft-fu's comments, why not reply to this thread now so he can show you some love later? Maybe he'll throw a couple of those $250 OS X-BeOS-OS/2 Microsoft Competitor Memorial Edition softwares your way, or give you a "modder's discount" on the CannibalizeTheMacPro Mac he and the message board jockeys have been clamoring for!
I didn't mean that the machines themselves are scarce, but the choice of machines are quite limited. If you were to compare the hardware available to legally run ANY other desktop OS, you'll find that the hardware offerings for OSX are quite scare indeed. Artificially so even.
You know, Apple used to have 20,000 different types of Performas, all with slightly different system specs. I'm sure you could find a Mac for just about any niche market back then. You could also find Apple's market share plummeting and their company constantly in the red.
Nowadays, Apple is much more focused. There are 4 lines: consumer/professional, and portable/desktop. They also happen to be a much more profitable company. They aren't "artificially" limiting their product line just because they don't make a model that suits your needs.
Why do people on Slashdot always seem to think their very particular needs somehow align with a large market segment, and XYZ company is committing commercial suicide by not accommodating them? Go out and build a screwdriver PC if you want full customization. Apple is no longer trying to be all things to all people, that's what got them into financial trouble 20 years ago.
This will be more convenient than hooking up my laptop every time I wanna watch a Netflix movie. My delightful fat PS3 is always connected to the TV, just like Sony is always connected to the pulse of the American consumer! I want to go bobbing for Apples with Sony, and now I can, with a BD-Live implementation of Netflix screaming!
This is the main reason why I don't like this style of game purchase since you only own the game with your console, you cannot actually give it to a friend or even sell it unless you sell or loan it with your console.
Amen to that. Unfortunately, it looks like the new consoles are headed towards download-only and activation, if the DSi and PSP Go are any indication. Although I pay for all my games now, if they actually do go download-only, I will become a PC gamer or 100% pirated console gamer. I won't accept a "store" that can retroactively remove things I've paid for.
What about those crazy women with 4 color receptors. They are real life mutants! Are we going to get some gene therapy like that? I want 2 receptors for green! I'll be like a human HDTV! In fact, that will be my crimefighting name: The Human HDTV! I fight crime in 1080i! (it would be in 1080p but that's as high as my TV goes)
Stop me if someone else has already addressed this point-but why not re-animate him as a zombie? Gay Zombie Turing would be amazed at the amount of rights homosexuals have today, although I assume he'd be more appalled at what passes for sophistication these days.
I'm sorry, but the Power Stone 2 port to PSP is pathetic. That game alone might not be enough for you, but to me, that's the best Dreamcast game out there. Crazy Taxi, Power Stone 2, and Sega Marine Fishing are the Holy Trinity of DC games fro me.
Yeah I know it is packed in with Wii Sports Resort and Tiger Woods 10, but if you get Resort you pretty much have to buy another Motion Plus since its predominately a multi player game. No thanks Nintendo, I've already blown enough on Wii peripherals for the time being.
The overwhelming majority of Wii Sports Resort games are "pass the controller,"-bowling, archery, Frisbee golf etc. The only one you really need a second controller for is sword fighting.
Yeah, and what's up with that Bic company and their ballpoint pens? Seriously, they slap a new coat of paint on the quill pen and inkwell and they act like it's something new. It's really sad that this watered down product is selling like crazy.
I don't think you can really call "Guitar Freaks" and "Drum Mania" wonderful. They were first, yes, but compared to even the first Guitar Hero, Guitar Freaks seems primitive and unappealing. Konami also makes the horrible me-too "Rock Revolution," and they sued InTheGroove out of business. (They're also currently suing Harmonix) So I don't think they're making great music games as much as they are suing the shit out of innovators, discouraging any progress in the market.
You get modded flamebait because you can't express yourself without sounding like a blowhard Internet Tough Guy. There's no conspiracy theory here. I personally will mod down anyone who blasts out like a child throwing a tantrum, whether or not I agree with them. Chest-beating post number one million about how you hate Sony does not contribute to the discussion.
Pain free? have you ever heard of titles breaking,
On a console? Is that like when PC games are released early in the alpha stage and the first 3 months are so are devoted to patching the game into a somewhat-workable state? And a broken console can't stop me from doing work (at least not directly, heh heh) but a broken PC means not only can I not play games, I probably can't work either.
or that you have to pay for every add-on that PC users get free,
Ah, but you can sell your console games when you're finished (for the most part). That's much better to me than getting some crappy after-the-fact add-ons.
or that you can't upgrade your hardware like a PC and constantly stay up to date?
You mean that crushing feeling you get when your PC that used to be bleeding edge gets sloooower and sloooower every time you install a newer game? Don't miss it.
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I also think deadspace was a bad game to target on the Wii, the Wii needs mature games from Japan like JRPG's like Final fantasy,
-SNORT-Did you just say Final Fantasy was "mature"? I'm almost positive it was written by a 16-year-old Japanese schoolgirl on ecstasy.
Anyone who has a Wii also has an Xbox and/or PS3, AND a PC.
Demonstrably false.
Also, Deadspace Extraction will probably do all right, as Resident Evil 4 did pretty well on the console.
Yeah! I want a game where you can choke a man to death with waggle controls! Or cut them in half with a chainsaw!
Too bad they don't have those types of games for the Wii! Oh, wait-
CAPTAIN KIRK: Spock, come in here, can you make sense of these readings?
SPOCK: Captain, it appears that dark matter may be behind diffuse radiation in the galactic center.
CAPTAIN KIRK: It's the most magnificent thing I've ever seen!
SPOCK: It is...fascinating.
CAPTAIN KIRK: But why would diffuse radiation need a starship?
DR. MCCOY: Come on over here, boys! This galactic dick ain't gonna suck itself!
Thanks for reading and supporting fan fiction.
NeXT didn't go bankrupt, they were operating profitably and sold out for about $400M.
Wrong...and even if that were true, the writing was on the wall. Take a look at Sun or SGI if you want to see what NeXT would have become it they didn't sell out to Apple. (Or more accurately, if Gassé didn't get greedy and ask for too much for Be).
From a technical standpoint, of course you are correct. But from a business, financial, and marketing standpoint, Apple bought out NeXT. The market for a NeXT computer and an Apple computer were and are totally different.
Why so defensive?
Because I've seen this argument 10 billion times on Slashdot. It was dumb then, and it was dumb now. There's nothing "artificial" about limiting the product line. It helps prevent consumer confusion. It has been a tremendously profitable decision for Apple-and not just in the computer line.
Take the iPod vs. Zen, where Zen used to have myriad different players with different specs (5GB, 10GB, 15GB, some with FM radio, some without, etc). iPod's product line is getting increasingly convoluted, but it's still not nearly as bad as Zen. There's other reasons behind Apple's success besides flashy marketing, but few on this site seem to realize that.
Well, back in the OpenStep days, NeXT published a shopping list of what hardware they supported. They wouldn't have to promise to support everything the way that MS does. IIRC, they sold OpenStep 4.2 for $800 for a user seat, and $1500 for a developer seat.
Yeah, and now NeXT is king of the computer world?
Oh no, I mean they went bankrupt and had to be rescued by Apple (which in turn rescued Apple). No, I don't think emulating NeXT business practices is the ticket to greater profits for Apple.
I applaud your...chutzpah...at offering unsupported, solipsistic assertions to one of the most successful computer companies out there. I'm sure Apple management is searching Slashdot for geniuses like you, and no doubt you will be hired immediately as a consultant. When you're charging 3 bills an hour for your services, do us a favor, and remember the little guys that modded your drivel up for everyone to see.
In fact, if you modded Sycraft-fu's comments, why not reply to this thread now so he can show you some love later? Maybe he'll throw a couple of those $250 OS X-BeOS-OS/2 Microsoft Competitor Memorial Edition softwares your way, or give you a "modder's discount" on the CannibalizeTheMacPro Mac he and the message board jockeys have been clamoring for!
I didn't mean that the machines themselves are scarce, but the choice of machines are quite limited. If you were to compare the hardware available to legally run ANY other desktop OS, you'll find that the hardware offerings for OSX are quite scare indeed. Artificially so even.
You know, Apple used to have 20,000 different types of Performas, all with slightly different system specs. I'm sure you could find a Mac for just about any niche market back then. You could also find Apple's market share plummeting and their company constantly in the red.
Nowadays, Apple is much more focused. There are 4 lines: consumer/professional, and portable/desktop. They also happen to be a much more profitable company. They aren't "artificially" limiting their product line just because they don't make a model that suits your needs.
Why do people on Slashdot always seem to think their very particular needs somehow align with a large market segment, and XYZ company is committing commercial suicide by not accommodating them? Go out and build a screwdriver PC if you want full customization. Apple is no longer trying to be all things to all people, that's what got them into financial trouble 20 years ago.
And the Walrus was Paul!
This will be more convenient than hooking up my laptop every time I wanna watch a Netflix movie. My delightful fat PS3 is always connected to the TV, just like Sony is always connected to the pulse of the American consumer! I want to go bobbing for Apples with Sony, and now I can, with a BD-Live implementation of Netflix screaming!
This is the main reason why I don't like this style of game purchase since you only own the game with your console, you cannot actually give it to a friend or even sell it unless you sell or loan it with your console.
Amen to that. Unfortunately, it looks like the new consoles are headed towards download-only and activation, if the DSi and PSP Go are any indication. Although I pay for all my games now, if they actually do go download-only, I will become a PC gamer or 100% pirated console gamer. I won't accept a "store" that can retroactively remove things I've paid for.
What about those crazy women with 4 color receptors. They are real life mutants! Are we going to get some gene therapy like that? I want 2 receptors for green! I'll be like a human HDTV! In fact, that will be my crimefighting name: The Human HDTV! I fight crime in 1080i! (it would be in 1080p but that's as high as my TV goes)
Stop me if someone else has already addressed this point-but why not re-animate him as a zombie? Gay Zombie Turing would be amazed at the amount of rights homosexuals have today, although I assume he'd be more appalled at what passes for sophistication these days.
Fun fact: if you put your DC Skies of Arcadia into a CD player, it'll say "We can't save the world from here! Put us back in the Dreamcast!"
I'm sorry, but the Power Stone 2 port to PSP is pathetic. That game alone might not be enough for you, but to me, that's the best Dreamcast game out there. Crazy Taxi, Power Stone 2, and Sega Marine Fishing are the Holy Trinity of DC games fro me.
He set it up vertically...and that's what caused to realize the Dreamcast was dead?
Cool story bro.
Yeah I know it is packed in with Wii Sports Resort and Tiger Woods 10, but if you get Resort you pretty much have to buy another Motion Plus since its predominately a multi player game. No thanks Nintendo, I've already blown enough on Wii peripherals for the time being.
The overwhelming majority of Wii Sports Resort games are "pass the controller,"-bowling, archery, Frisbee golf etc. The only one you really need a second controller for is sword fighting.
Yeah, and what's up with that Bic company and their ballpoint pens? Seriously, they slap a new coat of paint on the quill pen and inkwell and they act like it's something new. It's really sad that this watered down product is selling like crazy.
I don't think you can really call "Guitar Freaks" and "Drum Mania" wonderful. They were first, yes, but compared to even the first Guitar Hero, Guitar Freaks seems primitive and unappealing. Konami also makes the horrible me-too "Rock Revolution," and they sued InTheGroove out of business. (They're also currently suing Harmonix) So I don't think they're making great music games as much as they are suing the shit out of innovators, discouraging any progress in the market.
You get modded flamebait because you can't express yourself without sounding like a blowhard Internet Tough Guy. There's no conspiracy theory here. I personally will mod down anyone who blasts out like a child throwing a tantrum, whether or not I agree with them. Chest-beating post number one million about how you hate Sony does not contribute to the discussion.
I'd bet a fuckton of Amiga and Commodore64 users would laugh in your face right now.
Do 6 guys count as a "fuckton"?
Does spamming Slashdot really work? Are you a millionaire yet?
Pain free? have you ever heard of titles breaking,
On a console? Is that like when PC games are released early in the alpha stage and the first 3 months are so are devoted to patching the game into a somewhat-workable state? And a broken console can't stop me from doing work (at least not directly, heh heh) but a broken PC means not only can I not play games, I probably can't work either.
or that you have to pay for every add-on that PC users get free,
Ah, but you can sell your console games when you're finished (for the most part). That's much better to me than getting some crappy after-the-fact add-ons.
or that you can't upgrade your hardware like a PC and constantly stay up to date?
You mean that crushing feeling you get when your PC that used to be bleeding edge gets sloooower and sloooower every time you install a newer game? Don't miss it.
They still have to support the feature on "Fat" ps3's so the software engineering and support cost is there regardless of the new model.
So, developing and testing new Linux drivers for the new I/O controllers and video hardware costs nothing? Are you shitting me, Pyle?
You ever just really, really wanna have a menage a trois with Bulk and Skull from Power Rangers?