Heh, I was hoping someone would see the humor in it, because yes, the description is.NET to a "T".
But in your "eutopian"-esque depiction the business made money even tho they did not need it.
All well and good, and MS does not need the money, but they will *want* or *demand* it, IMO.
I agree it is scary what they are capable of on a global scale.
I tell you, when the WTC got hit, the world mourned, but the cynical SOB side of me thinks if the same happened to "1 Micros~1 Way" the world would snicker -- for the most part.
XP scares the hell out of me, as this is the first slavo of the way "things might become"(tm).
It give me this feeling like John Goodman's line in _the fallen_ of "someone's playing with my d*ck and it ain't me".
(shudder)
Has anyone wondered/asked if all the verichip execs would have this done? Eh?
My puppy has one, but me? Hell no. I rarely get lost, can fend for myself and am house trained too.
The moment I start barking and piddeling on the floor, well, I'd assume I have "lost it" and perhaps it would be a good idea then...until that day..."they" can eat me.
Mibi? Why not just call them "bibbity-bobbity-boo" bytes?
When I think measurement of data (Meg, Gig) I think powers of 1024.
When I think of measurements of physical objects (water, distance) I think powers of 10.
Now some physicists are saying "no, no, use powers of 2"...STFU.
What really gets me is that the same thing is going on with former @home-ers (charter/att or whatever you got switched to) where the phone monkeys here in Ga are saying kbits and the techs are saying Kbytes. Ok, which is it?
Granted all this is freaking meaningless (check your cable modem settings by pointing your browser to 192.168.100.1) mine at the moment is set to 700000bits when during the switchover it was 128000bits--up and down, btw.
The thing I got on to the tech about: if you are telling me bytes/s then why is my modem set to 128000...you are missing a zero, dude.
(heh, scary that I knew more about DOCIS (sp?) compliance than the tech I was talking to, just a little more than he...but at least he saw my point of view.
Anywho, don't wanna deal with it on vacation, so letting it drop for now...at least disconnections are getting fewer and further between.
At least the are using a decent news server..but that download *speed* cap is annoying, and only 2 connects at once...they need to cache the downloads localy {if possible, mind you} to speed things up and decrease traffic outbound, IMO.
I don't use this site as a basis for generating opinions regarding what company is bad, what company is good, or what text editor I should use. I have my own methods for said exercise.
You should be using vi because have you noticed how close, vowel-wise, emacs is to iMacs?
from "aozilla"
Fucking slashdot editors... I'm through. I contribute to slashdot no more. This is my last post.
reply to from bankey:
Repeat after me:
Italics is the submitter.
Would you rather the editors alter your words?
Thus spake the Moose:
I only have to say, the one article out of 30 that was accepted was of the title: Microsoft article on Salon.com those were my words.
and the "this article on salon.com" were mine as well. Everything after that I was *grilled*, *filleted* and *slow roasted* for words that were not mine. (I said "interesting idea"..editors says "extensions of MS further monopoly"...granted it was alluded to in the article, but WTF. For the most part, editors don't get grilled on/. mainly the submitter. As aozilla found out...welcome to the club...after it hits you repeatedly you will learn...or not)
Clearly "bankey" has no clue what an "editor" does...edits, mangles, destroys, clarifies, distills and after all that puts all the above adjectives in a blender and then diseminates it to a readership.
All I can say to ya'll submitting to/. is:
If your article is not thought provoking, inflammitory, the cause of a flame war, MS bashing, Linux bashing or in any way counter to any type of groupthink, RI/MP aa hating...well, I seriously doubt you will utter the words "What was I thinking/smoking" when I submitted *that*.
Sorry, that was a random thought/comparison:
(better formating)
Apple -- Be
OS X -- BeOS
Licensed 1click patent -- "Made" one click patent
Dumb -- Dumber
Notice a trend?
Dunno why that even crossed my mind, Takeel, but it did at the time as a "random thought".
I always post in plain text, and was too lazy to do the < -- >.
It would have helped readability.
cool, I was not aware of that...use personal 4 and bought pro 5 from a friend for cheap, DOH!
After loosing (or losing if this is your first time on/. or know how to spell {SEG}) hope for BeOS, I had more of a appreciation for the varied distros of Linux.
(tho I am still a 'Slacker' if I want speed and Redhat'er if I want ease).
I was happy that the Pro worked on an Aptive (v4 hated integrated crap as much as I do) but v5 was much more forgiving (so it seemed).
from netcraft:
The site www.osnews.com is running Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.2 PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.24_01 on Linux
Oops...how does that foot taste now that the other shoe is on it?
IIRC, Beos4 was a "viral/trojan" edition because it actually ran "under" windows' file system as an image.
I don't recall if v5 did the same thing in the personal version.
Funny, isn't it? The first (and only, I think) trojan that ran under windows and did not do any damage and actually helped get back the speed that windows took away!
If only they could have made it an outlook attachment and mailed it to all the other users in Outlook's address book this whole monopoly thing with Microsoft would have never come to pass....well, at least until the user rebooted.
(sigh)
V5 was nice and fast, but the semi-broken drivers that made version 4 so nice kinda killed off any chance BeOS ever had (excluding the bootloader issue, that is).
I mean, c'mon, dropping legacy support was *a good thing* but to slit your own throat and *not have drivers* work from a previous os that did not, supposedly, have "legacy issue to begin with?"
Oye.
Random thought: Beos -- OSX, One click-patent -- License one click patent, Be -- Apple, Dumb -- and dumber....notice a trend here?
The first mental image I got from the head line was a picture of someone rolling a cell phone across a black ink pad...:)
And, correct me if I am wrong but this kinda says "digital watermark":
"The fingerprint might contain small mistakes. The technology is so robust that it can handle that," said Jaap Haitsma, a Philips research scientist.
Haven't we gone thru this already?
Seriously. The only thing missing was an SMDI challenge and the RIAA. Even though Microsoft is involved in this, I'm quite sure the RIAA will (pardon the pun) chime in Very Soon Now(TM).
Ok, quit possibly I am missing the point, but read this:
As well, a legitimate online music services running on the Napster model could use the technology to stop copyright-protected material from being shared.
Legitimate, Napster and stop sharing all in the same sentence?
Eh? The whole point of Napster was to share (leave out the legit or not) songs.
{Pitr voice}
Someone please to be explainink this to me.
{/end voice}
How this gets modded as a troll never ceases to amaze me, when "you need to adjust your tinfoil hat" (a la michael) gets passed over *and* other post pointing out the *exact* same thing I was talking about are passed over or even modded up!
You see this is the exact kind of hypocritical behaviour that this discussion is targeting.
And whilst I'm at it: Does metamoderation actually *DO* anything? Seriously, Mike, does it?
Consider that if a post is marked as a troll, and it is not a troll, does the moderation get *undone*? Or is the moderator just marked for a period of time?
If you see my point of view, you have to admit that if a moderator is doing a bad job, his/her moderations *should* be undone if at all possible.
Because the point we are making is: No good deed goes unpunished and the opposite is also true.
On the whole, Slashdot is doing an excellent job.
But, that good job is being undermined by (and this is my opinion, mind you) by a certain few.
{I'd also be willing to bet that Galvatron recently got mod points on that day. If it were possible...hey, a new slashcode idea...I'd bet, oh, say 10 karma points---what else are they good for? Nothing, really--- that it was him. J'accuse! If I am right I get 10 of his, If I am wrong, he/she gets 10 of mine}
:)
Gotta love the new math, tho, at the kap, got a +4 from a comment...but one -1 and now at 49.
Heh, 50+4-1=49? cute.
Oh, well, ever since hitting the cap on the other account, I stopped taking moderation seriously (and metamoding for that matter)... I just post here to realax.
Ok, I have to admit that Galvatron and Michael were quite amusing by completely ignoring what I had said and drew their own conclusions based on that.
Lovely.
However, like turbine, I do make very valid points but lack the coherency at times trying to make that point clear. C'est la vie.
When most people talk about "Crack Smoking Moderators", I think what they are really trying to say is; 2/3's of the moderators really do make an effort to do a good job, the other 1/3, however, don't seem to have a clue.
Why?
Well, IMO the 1/3 have never read the faq I think.
I've seen well done sarcasm modded as a troll.
For me, I fell for it, but I think of it this way:
if you read something that makes you angry, read it again. If you get angrier, that's flamebait. If you think it is dumb, that is a troll. If you laugh, heh funny, informative, insightful or a + score of your choosing.
Now I've gotten mod points, what? a grand total of 3 times...read the faq the first two time, beacuse: I did NOT want to fall into a CSM.
I don't recall modding anyone down, either, because the trolls had been taken care of.
Now, IIRC, does it or does it not say "don't mod people down because you disagree with them?".
That is exactly what I saw going on. Modding down (censorship, if you will) not because of what I said, but "who" I was.
I'll admit, it was the same "pissed offedness" that lead to things such as the the Boston Tea party, and the various wars.
I've said it before (as have others): Moderators are the "other white meat" aka Anon. Cowards.
Or, in someone's better words: Moderators should not be both *anonymous* and *unaccoutable*.
Does metamoderation do any good? Hell if I know, for I gave up metamoderating for a while.
Now I just look for modding down of comments and apply the rules I've mentioned above. Blatant troll/flamebait is modded as fair, otherwise I mark it unfair.
Hence my benefit of the doubt philosophy, Mike.
The point of all this?
Simple: The/. team does things a certain way because it works the majority of the time.
We get angry when it does not work or is applied unjustly.
We, as techs, like to fix problems. It is our nature. I'm sure if I gave it some thought I could think of something, but, alas, I'm too tired, too buzzed, and too relaxed at the moment to give a shit and think about this particular thread anymore.
Cheers, my friends.
Moose.
PS. Could we add a "reply karma" category? 75 replies so far..heh, and I did not say "First post either".
From the article:
"It's a difficult task, but other companies have done it--Starbucks just switched their old log-in system to Passport and did it smoothly."
"It's kind of surprising," Rosoff added. "If anyone should be able to implement a Passport switch, it's Microsoft."
That is hilarious: The staffers at a coffee house that, no doubt, keep MS programmers in caffinated beverages, can implement MS's own stuff better than MS can.
Ahaaahahaha.
Do you think maybe we should send MS some penguin mints? Oh, wait, belay that...probably most here would consider that aid and comfort to the enemy.
the digital rights management operating system refuses to load an untrusted program
A message "Please wait while windows loads"
"Untrusted program "win.com" found, aborting load of XPDRMMPAARIAAOS"?
I can't wait for Disney to patent the word mouse and mice, so that in the near future we'll have to refer to these input devices as "Personal Rodent Indicating Contraptions"...
This is the approach adopted by the cable industry and their set-top boxes, and looks set to be the model for DVD-video presentation. The second solution is to use secret, proprietary data formats and applications software, or to use tamper-resistant software containers, in the hope that the resulting complexity will substantially impede piracy.
Hey, why not obscure things...after all it worked for the DVDCCA's DeCSS encryption.
Slashdot Mirror
Humm, derivative works...let's see, Internet Explorer is integrated into windows.
Integration in calculus is a form of derivation.
So does this mean any "integrated" platform made from scratch is still a "derivative" work?
(snicker)
Ok. Ok. I'll lay off the crack pipe.
{Rod Serling voice} There's a sin() up ahead
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Cactus protection?
Don't touch the data or you will be subjected to thousands of lawy^H^H^H^H little pricks!
Talk about hidden meaning.
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I'd probably be the smart ass that would creat a hologram of the windows 2000 cd.
(you know, the one with the hologram on it?)
Would that be like putting mirror in front of a mirror?
Anywho, off to bed....
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Heh, I was hoping someone would see the humor in it, because yes, the description is .NET to a "T".
But in your "eutopian"-esque depiction the business made money even tho they did not need it.
All well and good, and MS does not need the money, but they will *want* or *demand* it, IMO.
I agree it is scary what they are capable of on a global scale.
I tell you, when the WTC got hit, the world mourned, but the cynical SOB side of me thinks if the same happened to "1 Micros~1 Way" the world would snicker -- for the most part.
XP scares the hell out of me, as this is the first slavo of the way "things might become"(tm).
It give me this feeling like John Goodman's line in _the fallen_ of "someone's playing with my d*ck and it ain't me".
(shudder)
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Dear Mr FFFish:
.NET!
Congratulations!! You just described
Now what are you going to do?
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all those CueCat scanners.
In all seriousness...no FSCKING way.
what kind of mindless sheep would allow this?
Has anyone wondered/asked if all the verichip execs would have this done? Eh?
My puppy has one, but me? Hell no. I rarely get lost, can fend for myself and am house trained too.
The moment I start barking and piddeling on the floor, well, I'd assume I have "lost it" and perhaps it would be a good idea then...until that day..."they" can eat me.
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No kidding...more effing BS terms.
Mibi? Why not just call them "bibbity-bobbity-boo" bytes?
When I think measurement of data (Meg, Gig) I think powers of 1024.
When I think of measurements of physical objects (water, distance) I think powers of 10.
Now some physicists are saying "no, no, use powers of 2"...STFU.
What really gets me is that the same thing is going on with former @home-ers (charter/att or whatever you got switched to) where the phone monkeys here in Ga are saying kbits and the techs are saying Kbytes. Ok, which is it?
Granted all this is freaking meaningless (check your cable modem settings by pointing your browser to 192.168.100.1) mine at the moment is set to 700000bits when during the switchover it was 128000bits--up and down, btw.
The thing I got on to the tech about: if you are telling me bytes/s then why is my modem set to 128000...you are missing a zero, dude.
(heh, scary that I knew more about DOCIS (sp?) compliance than the tech I was talking to, just a little more than he...but at least he saw my point of view.
Anywho, don't wanna deal with it on vacation, so letting it drop for now...at least disconnections are getting fewer and further between.
At least the are using a decent news server..but that download *speed* cap is annoying, and only 2 connects at once...they need to cache the downloads localy {if possible, mind you} to speed things up and decrease traffic outbound, IMO.
Just my mild rant + $.02.
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I want my updated copy delivered by their (MS/FBI's) black helicopters!!!
(sorry, first day of vacation, lack of caffine, new puppy, lack of sleep..I thought it was amusing)
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I don't use this site as a basis for generating opinions regarding what company is bad, what company is good, or what text editor I should use. I have my own methods for said exercise.
You should be using vi because have you noticed how close, vowel-wise, emacs is to iMacs ?
from "aozilla"
/. mainly the submitter. As aozilla found out...welcome to the club...after it hits you repeatedly you will learn...or not)
/. is:
Fucking slashdot editors... I'm through. I contribute to slashdot no more. This is my last post.
reply to from bankey:
Repeat after me:
Italics is the submitter.
Would you rather the editors alter your words?
Thus spake the Moose:
I only have to say, the one article out of 30 that was accepted was of the title: Microsoft article on Salon.com those were my words.
and the "this article on salon.com" were mine as well. Everything after that I was *grilled*, *filleted* and *slow roasted* for words that were not mine. (I said "interesting idea"..editors says "extensions of MS further monopoly"...granted it was alluded to in the article, but WTF. For the most part, editors don't get grilled on
Clearly "bankey" has no clue what an "editor" does...edits, mangles, destroys, clarifies, distills and after all that puts all the above adjectives in a blender and then diseminates it to a readership.
All I can say to ya'll submitting to
If your article is not thought provoking, inflammitory, the cause of a flame war, MS bashing, Linux bashing or in any way counter to any type of groupthink, RI/MP aa hating...well, I seriously doubt you will utter the words "What was I thinking/smoking" when I submitted *that*.
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Sorry, that was a random thought/comparison:
(better formating)
Apple -- Be
OS X -- BeOS
Licensed 1click patent -- "Made" one click patent
Dumb -- Dumber
Notice a trend?
Dunno why that even crossed my mind, Takeel, but it did at the time as a "random thought".
I always post in plain text, and was too lazy to do the < -- >.
It would have helped readability.
Ah, well.
cool, I was not aware of that...use personal 4 and bought pro 5 from a friend for cheap, DOH!
/. or know how to spell {SEG}) hope for BeOS, I had more of a appreciation for the varied distros of Linux.
After loosing (or losing if this is your first time on
(tho I am still a 'Slacker' if I want speed and Redhat'er if I want ease).
I was happy that the Pro worked on an Aptive (v4 hated integrated crap as much as I do) but v5 was much more forgiving (so it seemed).
Give that man an "informative cigar".
Before you speak to soon, bro:
from netcraft:
The site www.osnews.com is running Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.2 PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.24_01 on Linux
Oops...how does that foot taste now that the other shoe is on it?
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IIRC, Beos4 was a "viral/trojan" edition because it actually ran "under" windows' file system as an image.
I don't recall if v5 did the same thing in the personal version.
Funny, isn't it? The first (and only, I think) trojan that ran under windows and did not do any damage and actually helped get back the speed that windows took away!
If only they could have made it an outlook attachment and mailed it to all the other users in Outlook's address book this whole monopoly thing with Microsoft would have never come to pass....well, at least until the user rebooted.
(sigh)
V5 was nice and fast, but the semi-broken drivers that made version 4 so nice kinda killed off any chance BeOS ever had (excluding the bootloader issue, that is).
I mean, c'mon, dropping legacy support was *a good thing* but to slit your own throat and *not have drivers* work from a previous os that did not, supposedly, have "legacy issue to begin with?"
Oye.
Random thought: Beos -- OSX, One click-patent -- License one click patent, Be -- Apple, Dumb -- and dumber....notice a trend here?
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ROTFLMAO...
Silly Rabbit, turning tricks are for...reviewers?
But, Cerelously, folks...
Moose
Well, judging from the monkeyboy video, sex with Steve Ballmer might be quite good. Or, at the very least, unpredictable.
Aieeeeeee....
Must...use....wire...brush....on...brain.... (scrub, scrub)
DON't DO THAT!
There are rules in the Geneva Convention about such things!
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The first mental image I got from the head line was a picture of someone rolling a cell phone across a black ink pad... :)
And, correct me if I am wrong but this kinda says "digital watermark":
"The fingerprint might contain small mistakes. The technology is so robust that it can handle that," said Jaap Haitsma, a Philips research scientist.
Haven't we gone thru this already?
Seriously. The only thing missing was an SMDI challenge and the RIAA. Even though Microsoft is involved in this, I'm quite sure the RIAA will (pardon the pun) chime in Very Soon Now(TM).
Ok, quit possibly I am missing the point, but read this:
As well, a legitimate online music services running on the Napster model could use the technology to stop copyright-protected material from being shared.
Legitimate, Napster and stop sharing all in the same sentence?
Eh? The whole point of Napster was to share (leave out the legit or not) songs.
{Pitr voice}
Someone please to be explainink this to me.
{/end voice}
Moose.
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How this gets modded as a troll never ceases to amaze me, when "you need to adjust your tinfoil hat" (a la michael) gets passed over *and* other post pointing out the *exact* same thing I was talking about are passed over or even modded up!
You see this is the exact kind of hypocritical behaviour that this discussion is targeting.
And whilst I'm at it: Does metamoderation actually *DO* anything? Seriously, Mike, does it?
Consider that if a post is marked as a troll, and it is not a troll, does the moderation get *undone*? Or is the moderator just marked for a period of time?
If you see my point of view, you have to admit that if a moderator is doing a bad job, his/her moderations *should* be undone if at all possible.
Because the point we are making is: No good deed goes unpunished and the opposite is also true.
On the whole, Slashdot is doing an excellent job.
But, that good job is being undermined by (and this is my opinion, mind you) by a certain few.
{I'd also be willing to bet that Galvatron recently got mod points on that day. If it were possible...hey, a new slashcode idea...I'd bet, oh, say 10 karma points---what else are they good for? Nothing, really--- that it was him. J'accuse! If I am right I get 10 of his, If I am wrong, he/she gets 10 of mine}
:)
Gotta love the new math, tho, at the kap, got a +4 from a comment...but one -1 and now at 49.
Heh, 50+4-1=49? cute.
Oh, well, ever since hitting the cap on the other account, I stopped taking moderation seriously (and metamoding for that matter)... I just post here to realax.
hasta.
Moose
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Ok, I have to admit that Galvatron and Michael were quite amusing by completely ignoring what I had said and drew their own conclusions based on that.
/. team does things a certain way because it works the majority of the time.
Lovely.
However, like turbine, I do make very valid points but lack the coherency at times trying to make that point clear. C'est la vie.
When most people talk about "Crack Smoking Moderators", I think what they are really trying to say is; 2/3's of the moderators really do make an effort to do a good job, the other 1/3, however, don't seem to have a clue.
Why?
Well, IMO the 1/3 have never read the faq I think.
I've seen well done sarcasm modded as a troll.
For me, I fell for it, but I think of it this way:
if you read something that makes you angry, read it again. If you get angrier, that's flamebait. If you think it is dumb, that is a troll. If you laugh, heh funny, informative, insightful or a + score of your choosing.
Now I've gotten mod points, what? a grand total of 3 times...read the faq the first two time, beacuse: I did NOT want to fall into a CSM.
I don't recall modding anyone down, either, because the trolls had been taken care of.
Now, IIRC, does it or does it not say "don't mod people down because you disagree with them?".
That is exactly what I saw going on. Modding down (censorship, if you will) not because of what I said, but "who" I was.
I'll admit, it was the same "pissed offedness" that lead to things such as the the Boston Tea party, and the various wars.
I've said it before (as have others): Moderators are the "other white meat" aka Anon. Cowards.
Or, in someone's better words: Moderators should not be both *anonymous* and *unaccoutable*.
Does metamoderation do any good? Hell if I know, for I gave up metamoderating for a while.
Now I just look for modding down of comments and apply the rules I've mentioned above. Blatant troll/flamebait is modded as fair, otherwise I mark it unfair.
Hence my benefit of the doubt philosophy, Mike.
The point of all this?
Simple: The
We get angry when it does not work or is applied unjustly.
We, as techs, like to fix problems. It is our nature. I'm sure if I gave it some thought I could think of something, but, alas, I'm too tired, too buzzed, and too relaxed at the moment to give a shit and think about this particular thread anymore.
Cheers, my friends.
Moose.
PS. Could we add a "reply karma" category? 75 replies so far..heh, and I did not say "First post either".
Anywho...
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From the article:
"It's a difficult task, but other companies have done it--Starbucks just switched their old log-in system to Passport and did it smoothly."
"It's kind of surprising," Rosoff added. "If anyone should be able to implement a Passport switch, it's Microsoft."
That is hilarious: The staffers at a coffee house that, no doubt, keep MS programmers in caffinated beverages, can implement MS's own stuff better than MS can.
Ahaaahahaha.
Do you think maybe we should send MS some penguin mints? Oh, wait, belay that...probably most here would consider that aid and comfort to the enemy.
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I'm sure things will smooth out once this is reported on C .NET .com's news site.
Too bad getting a passport account is not as painful as getting an actual passport.
Ah, well.
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one of the stipulation of the 3 judge/panelists is that they be employees of Microsoft.
What is your feeling on that?
Personally I think that is an extreeme conflict of interests. In the same vein as choosing thier "punishment".
And, what is the most *glaring* issue about Microsoft that needs changing in your opinion?
the digital rights management operating system refuses to load an untrusted program
A message "Please wait while windows loads"
"Untrusted program "win.com" found, aborting load of XPDRMMPAARIAAOS"?
I can't wait for Disney to patent the word mouse and mice, so that in the near future we'll have to refer to these input devices as "Personal Rodent Indicating Contraptions"...
So, grab your P.R.I.C and visit disney.com!
:)
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This is the approach adopted by the cable industry and their set-top boxes, and looks set to be the model for DVD-video presentation. The second solution is to use secret, proprietary data formats and applications software, or to use tamper-resistant software containers, in the hope that the resulting complexity will substantially impede piracy.
Hey, why not obscure things...after all it worked for the DVDCCA's DeCSS encryption.
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look at post #11 ...heh, couldn't have said it better my self.
/. ing was a "learning experience" ... I think "Damage" put it.
Considering how well they run thier site and the relatively steady hits, the last
Well, TR dudes, BOHICA (bend over here it comes again...). {In a nice way, of course}
As always, good review... now if only I could get my account there fixed...tired of being an Anonymous Gerbil...sigh.
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