Hello this is not a llamasoft reference, whips a llamas ass is a reference to the late great wesley willis, a homeless schizophrenic that some indy musician befreinded and produced a decent size music catalog (50 plus records). All of his songs were pretty much the same structure, talking about a subject, how great it was, and how it whips a (insert animal)'s ass, with some advertising tagline concluding the song. (Milk, it does a body good, etc..)
Read about the late wesley willis and whipping llama's asses here: Google
Well, I had to go read the interview after reading all of the doubters and nasty comments about this unfortunately named professor. (yes i read the comments before I rtfa sometimes) I have to say, some of what he has to say smells like hot air, but other comments were insightful. Personal stereos are not just a consumer electronics device, they do pervade our social landscape. Music and listening habits are a huge part of the social fabric. Cultures identify themselves by the music that they listen to, and the way that they participate in the making, performing, recording, and listening to it. For those of you that doubt that this is a worthwhile area to study, name one person that doesn't have a music listening device (stereo, car stereo, portable cd player, ghetto blaster) with bizarre social habits to accompany it. Witness the ghetto blasters of the 70's and 80's, the two headphone jack original walkmans (I always wished that more devices had two jacks), and now the mobs of people with their little white headphones, comfortably insulated by their gigabytes of music, with "don't talk to me I'm grooving on my $400 dollar chic iPod" looks on their faces. Observe the way that they hold them so everyone can see they are fucking around with an iPod.
He Said: f: They've managed to revive some of the hysteria that accompanied the Walkman's introduction in c. 1981
I don't know about you, but I think that this is almost as monumental a product as the original walkman. I remember the feeling of my first walkman (ok ok, it was an aiwa actually) in 10th grade, how I took it everywhere with me, taped songs from the radio, tried to figure out ways to listen to it in class. Well, before I got my ipod I had a rio cd/mp3 player, which was pretty cool, but a pain to change discs and scrub through long dj mixes, not to mention large. When I got the iPod I remember thinking, "This is the coolest gadget I have ever owned", and hardly even took it off for a month. I should have gotten paid, I was like a walking iPod salesman, showing it to people, giving them a listen, showing them how to work the controls, incessantly blabbing, "it is the coolest fucking thing EVER".
It is great that the hilariously named Prof. Bull has found a niche to study and make a name (BULL) for himself. This is how the academic world works, party people. You find something you are interested in and make it yours, you work it to the bone, publish texts, interview with magazines, speak your lectures, and promote yourself. I don't think that this guy is looking for any special appreciation from slashdot or the rest of the world. Someone probably said, Hey, I heard of a guy that studies social impact and implications of walkmans and personal listening devices and stuff, we should talk to him about the ipod mini, that would fill a column!!
Back when games were in the Arcade and not the living room, I crackily played this sit on motorcycle game called Hang-On. Hang on had real foot pegs, hand brakes, and a twist handle bar throttle, just like an actual motorcycle. We started wearing those bicycle gloves that have the fingers cut off and padded palms because we were getting blisters and a sore hand from playing so much.
If you were Hang-On addict, we could finish the course every time. That game ruled.
Ok, granted I never actually owned one of these babies, but my best friend did. I remember it as royally SUCKING. The 2600 may have been one of the first arcade game platforms, it also was one of the worst. I mean come on, the graphics sucked, the games sucked, the sound sucked. I cant bring back one fond memory of playing a 2600 game other than the fact that it was with my good friend. When we all got apple//'s and games like threshold, choplifter, aztec, wizardry, decent pac-man clones (what was it called? Hack man or something), castle wolfenstein, etc etc, none of us ever touched a 2600 again.
Did anyone notice that the former name of this Island was Savage Island. This seems like a good time for a futurama and simpsons reference about places with f*dup names.
Up first, Futurama: Leela: Uh, Professor are we even allowed in the Forbidden Zone? Farnsworth: Why of course! Its just a name! Like the Death Zone or The Zone Of No Return. All the zones have names like that in The Galaxy Of Terror! Leela: Uh, Professor... Farnsworth: Off you go, pleasant trip!
And now, the Simpsons: Left FBI Agent: We have places were your family can hide in peace and security, Cape Feare, Terror Lake, New Horrorfield, Screamville... Homer: Oooh, Icecreamville! L FBI Agent: No, screamville. (Homer screams)
He Said: Too bad they won't really find out how much authority they don't have until one of the scumbag pirates decides to defend themselves.
Exactly, they'd have to hire nothing less than some 6'5" 300 pound one eyed brothas to try that here in NYC. The people that sell bootlegz here aren't exactly meek parking lot attendants, and the way the set it up here, it is all ready to be broken down and carried away in under 60 seconds as soon as the lookout spots a beat cop.
I have to take a small issue with this, I recently visited my parents with my daughter and we had a lego session with the big box o 30+ year old bricks. I found that some of the old pieces had lost their 'snap' and easily fell off of whatever other brick they were supposed to be attached to. It made building tall wobbly buildings more difficult, since the sticking together of bricks is a major structural function of larger creations. Other than that, there isn't much that can break on a lego brick. The old white ones look kind of gross though. I like the look of a new shiny brick much more..... One of our favorite types of lego's during the 8-14 year old period were the ones with holes in them, in conunction with the joinable wheels and tracks. You could build all types of wild bulldozing vehicles, tanks and atv's with those babies.
My parents saved _everything_. Its pretty cool to see my kids playing with toys that were once mine.
I hope you are going to encode all those ogg files by yourself, because last time that I checked, there weren't many ogg releases flying around the internet. For 99% of the world ogg doesn't mean diddly crap. The audio compression revolution has come and gone, and mp3 was the clear cut winner (if only by default) The only exciting thing about the rio is that it plays flac. Lossy compression is officially unexciting nowadays. Lossless compression has entered the arena and will conquer all. Burn in hell, lossy compression and your distorted lows, swishy highs, and glitchy artifacts.
Exactly because it's lossy compression there can be a big difference. You have to select very carefully which data to keep and which to throw away.
Ok, I'll give you that, but (I don't exacty know what I am talking about here, so please feel free to enlighten me) isn't MP3 encoding done via the same algorighm/codec no matter who writes the wrapper?
he said: You certainly shouldn't encode with it. LAME is a far superior encoder.
i have been using the lame plugin for itunes, since people in the trading 'scene' are a little anal about encoding / bitrate, the accepted standard seems to be LAME 192 full stereo. Honestly though, how much of a difference could there be between LAME and itunes. Lets be realistic, you are encoding with a lossy algorithm. Could you really pick which mp3 file was encoded with itunes and which was encoded with LAME in a taste test? They are both equally flawed, audio data has been thrown away in an effort to make a much smaller file.
I am also of the firm belief that mp3 will be irrelevent within 2 years. I am becoming interested in FLAC, because I am sensitive to the shitty quality of mp3's, especially the swishy highs.
TANSTAAFL There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe from Heinlein?
The irony is that for $320,000 you could start your own profitable business, or make some decent money from real investment. Hell, you could even do better in Vegas, baby! Even if he had lost it all he would have had fun.
My father was a little obsessed by grifters, pigeon drops and cons, so I had ample warning. Once, in San Franciso, an Afican man approached me on the street with his con. He was a merchant marine just pulled into port, had a scrawled address (which was a non-existant place) that he needed to find, and to top the story off, proved he didn't need money by flashing a 3 inch thick fold of bills to me. I laughed heartily and told him to go chase the pigeons.
He Said: This year I've also begun recommending anti-spyware as well. It's amazing how ubiquitous that stuff's become over the past year.
Which one would you recommend? I have been using spybot search and destroy. I am a Mac desktop support person that has been enlisted to help on pc support calls. Our company is using a mixture of 98 and xp in a novell environment (mid xp transition). About 75% of the help calls that I receive are spyware related. I don't know how these companies stay in business, usually the spyware borks the machine, but that may just be interaction with the novell client. I have found it easier to reimage the machine in most cases. The worst is when 2 or more ad/spy programs get installed and end up fighting with each other for system resources, leaving the computer useless. They also forgot to patch their early XP deployments (pre-company image machines) and got welchia big time. Had to reboot routers, block offending traffic, etc... On my macs I don't have any of these types of problems;) (sorry, had to slip that in)..
We had northstar horizons at my junior high school, didn't they run cp/m as well? We had 8" disks... Had to tell kids not to fold those things.
My father had a Kaypro, I actually loved cp/m, visicalc rocked, I used it to do math problems. I wrote my papers on wordstar, which was great too, and I even was hooked on some dumb ass game that we got for it.
He said:
I had to save up for a year for my disks, muddling along with my cassette recorder. Boy, wasn't I styling once I got the 64K upgrade and the floppy!
Hmm, been down that road. But along the way we got an exabyte stringy floppy which was a high speed tape drive , it blew the cassette away! Also, before epson dot matrix printers ( I still love that sound, thank you Homestar Runner for my weekly dot matrix sound fix), my dad picked up a surplus teletype machine and hacked together a rs-232 interface for it.
yeah, that was always my fantasy, real authentic arcade games in an arcade room. When that ridiculous show Silver Spoons came on, I was most impressed that little ricky schroeder's new digs had arcade games. I could finally master Defender and Stargate! Essential games I would have are:
Asteroids Berzerk (just so i could hear those robots talking) Defender Stargate Robotron Dig Dug Paperboy Tempest Pac-Man Donkey Kong Donkey Kong Jr. Gauntlet 2 I'm sure you'll think of your favorite game that should be on the list too.
It would also need several pinball machines, I liked 8 Ball Deluxe for good old school action Dark Knight of course The Addams Family was a hoot, and you got to hear Hammer all through the game. You'd need at least 10 pinballs to make sure you didn't get bored, and would have to tune the tilt thresholds to allow for 'english'.
On the non video game tip, it would have to have not only foos ball, but an air hockey table, those things are fun.
Anyway, stupid piece but always fun to talk about ultimate game setups....
he said; Did Sybase really chose to rename their product, or were they forced to by legal/marketing forces?)
I doubt it. Microsoft was the main party in the last round of funding before Sybase's IPO. i.e. Microsoft owns a stake of Sybase, and noone forced anyone to do anything.
Yep, Kermit solved lots of file transfer problems. Remember also the other PC's that it worked with before, amigas, atari, kaypo, etc all the other little computers that we used and loved.
I used it on my atari ST to connect with many odd platforms when I worked at a large database company, or to connect to the Unix machines at the university. I downloaded nethack for the atari to my shell and kermited it down. I still haven't ascended. I sold the 1040 ST for 100 bucks though.
Also, it happened to be installed on many business/university machines that wouldn't just go installing things so you could download to a remote computer. A unix systems administrator was a quirky surly sort of person back then..oh wait.... anyway, next...
I remember using Ymodem-G and Zfor faster xfers from bbs systems, but remember noone was gunning for speed back then, we were squeezing every last bit out of our pathetically slow dialup connections. Kermit is great, built for the ages. I love it when these kinds of things get appreciated on slashdot and we get to remember the old days and hear great stories of back then.
The AC Said: Also, Tivo discourages shows getting ripped and downloaded from the web and I'm not really sure how one would accomplish this easily anyway though I haven't really looked much into modding besides adding capacity.
Shows what you know buddy, it is easily accomplished with the installation of an ethernet port. A quick google on tivo + ethernet yields 30,800 results. Then how difficult is it to move a file from a Tivo to a personal computer? Not very difficult at all.
Sure it is good, except this computer was a server, with a security minded administrator that put at least 3 or 4 hours into figuring out what happened to his box.
Now imagine the millions of computers out there, connected 24/7 to the internet, unpatched, unfirewalled, unhardened. Sure, this incident wasn't so bad, but I can imagine that there are boxes that stay 0wned until the day that they are decomissioned, due to clueless admins or just plain neglegence. I see it on irc all the time. people hack boxes and install a bnc, or other irc gizmo, somehow lose control of the box, but the drone remains connected to irc for months, or even a year.
So I don't think 'this isn't so bad', i think, wow the spammers aren't idiots, they have recruited some knowledgable black hats and are actively exploiting box after box with complex attacks and hand coded/modified tools, not some windows spam-app. This is terrible and scary.
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Hello this is not a llamasoft reference, whips a llamas ass is a reference to the late great wesley willis, a homeless schizophrenic that some indy musician befreinded and produced a decent size music catalog (50 plus records). All of his songs were pretty much the same structure, talking about a subject, how great it was, and how it whips a (insert animal)'s ass, with some advertising tagline concluding the song. (Milk, it does a body good, etc..)
Read about the late wesley willis and whipping llama's asses here:
Google
Well, I had to go read the interview after reading all of the doubters and nasty comments about this unfortunately named professor. (yes i read the comments before I rtfa sometimes) I have to say, some of what he has to say smells like hot air, but other comments were insightful. Personal stereos are not just a consumer electronics device, they do pervade our social landscape. Music and listening habits are a huge part of the social fabric. Cultures identify themselves by the music that they listen to, and the way that they participate in the making, performing, recording, and listening to it. For those of you that doubt that this is a worthwhile area to study, name one person that doesn't have a music listening device (stereo, car stereo, portable cd player, ghetto blaster) with bizarre social habits to accompany it. Witness the ghetto blasters of the 70's and 80's, the two headphone jack original walkmans (I always wished that more devices had two jacks), and now the mobs of people with their little white headphones, comfortably insulated by their gigabytes of music, with "don't talk to me I'm grooving on my $400 dollar chic iPod" looks on their faces. Observe the way that they hold them so everyone can see they are fucking around with an iPod.
He Said:
f: They've managed to revive some of the hysteria that accompanied the Walkman's introduction in c. 1981
I don't know about you, but I think that this is almost as monumental a product as the original walkman. I remember the feeling of my first walkman (ok ok, it was an aiwa actually) in 10th grade, how I took it everywhere with me, taped songs from the radio, tried to figure out ways to listen to it in class. Well, before I got my ipod I had a rio cd/mp3 player, which was pretty cool, but a pain to change discs and scrub through long dj mixes, not to mention large. When I got the iPod I remember thinking, "This is the coolest gadget I have ever owned", and hardly even took it off for a month. I should have gotten paid, I was like a walking iPod salesman, showing it to people, giving them a listen, showing them how to work the controls, incessantly blabbing, "it is the coolest fucking thing EVER".
It is great that the hilariously named Prof. Bull has found a niche to study and make a name (BULL) for himself. This is how the academic world works, party people. You find something you are interested in and make it yours, you work it to the bone, publish texts, interview with magazines, speak your lectures, and promote yourself. I don't think that this guy is looking for any special appreciation from slashdot or the rest of the world. Someone probably said, Hey, I heard of a guy that studies social impact and implications of walkmans and personal listening devices and stuff, we should talk to him about the ipod mini, that would fill a column!!
anyway......
hehe hohoho
mervyn's
hahahahahaha
he said mervyn's.
bwahahahahahahaha.
Mervyn's.. tee hee
hehe
ohhhh yeah good one..
Yeah well, I'm gonna make my own video game.....
with blackjack, and hookers! In fact, forget the video game.
He says:
I don't want to see half of the people I chat with... My poor world depends on coolgrl973 being the cute one in that picture!
Don't you know that half of the 'cutegrl's on IM's are fat old bald guys that live in queens? I thought that this was a well known fact already.
Back when games were in the Arcade and not the living room, I crackily played this sit on motorcycle game called Hang-On. Hang on had real foot pegs, hand brakes, and a twist handle bar throttle, just like an actual motorcycle. We started wearing those bicycle gloves that have the fingers cut off and padded palms because we were getting blisters and a sore hand from playing so much.
If you were Hang-On addict, we could finish the course every time. That game ruled.
Ok, granted I never actually owned one of these babies, but my best friend did. I remember it as royally SUCKING. The 2600 may have been one of the first arcade game platforms, it also was one of the worst. I mean come on, the graphics sucked, the games sucked, the sound sucked. I cant bring back one fond memory of playing a 2600 game other than the fact that it was with my good friend. When we all got apple //'s and games like threshold, choplifter, aztec, wizardry, decent pac-man clones (what was it called? Hack man or something), castle wolfenstein, etc etc, none of us ever touched a 2600 again.
(ducking flames)
Did anyone notice that the former name of this Island was Savage Island. This seems like a good time for a futurama and simpsons reference about places with f*dup names.
Up first, Futurama:
Leela: Uh, Professor are we even allowed in the Forbidden Zone?
Farnsworth: Why of course! Its just a name! Like the Death Zone or The Zone Of No Return. All the zones have names like that in The Galaxy Of Terror!
Leela: Uh, Professor...
Farnsworth: Off you go, pleasant trip!
And now, the Simpsons:
Left FBI Agent: We have places were your family can hide in peace and security, Cape Feare, Terror Lake, New Horrorfield, Screamville...
Homer: Oooh, Icecreamville!
L FBI Agent: No, screamville. (Homer screams)
He Said:
Too bad they won't really find out how much authority they don't have until one of the scumbag pirates decides to defend themselves.
Exactly, they'd have to hire nothing less than some 6'5" 300 pound one eyed brothas to try that here in NYC. The people that sell bootlegz here aren't exactly meek parking lot attendants, and the way the set it up here, it is all ready to be broken down and carried away in under 60 seconds as soon as the lookout spots a beat cop.
I have to take a small issue with this,
I recently visited my parents with my daughter and we had a lego session with the big box o 30+ year old bricks. I found that some of the old pieces had lost their 'snap' and easily fell off of whatever other brick they were supposed to be attached to. It made building tall wobbly buildings more difficult, since the sticking together of bricks is a major structural function of larger creations. Other than that, there isn't much that can break on a lego brick. The old white ones look kind of gross though. I like the look of a new shiny brick much more..... One of our favorite types of lego's during the 8-14 year old period were the ones with holes in them, in conunction with the joinable wheels and tracks. You could build all types of wild bulldozing vehicles, tanks and atv's with those babies.
My parents saved _everything_. Its pretty cool to see my kids playing with toys that were once mine.
he said:
Nice troll dumbass. Halo doesn't even run on OS X. Must be the M$ bugs eating your brain.
Nice Try, troll. Halo has been ported.
Use google first before you go shooting your piehole off on slashdot. w3rd.
Halo for mac here:
macsoftgames.com
I hope you are going to encode all those ogg files by yourself, because last time that I checked, there weren't many ogg releases flying around the internet. For 99% of the world ogg doesn't mean diddly crap. The audio compression revolution has come and gone, and mp3 was the clear cut winner (if only by default) The only exciting thing about the rio is that it plays flac. Lossy compression is officially unexciting nowadays. Lossless compression has entered the arena and will conquer all. Burn in hell, lossy compression and your distorted lows, swishy highs, and glitchy artifacts.
Exactly because it's lossy compression there can be a big difference. You have to select very carefully which data to keep and which to throw away.
Ok, I'll give you that, but (I don't exacty know what I am talking about here, so please feel free to enlighten me) isn't MP3 encoding done via the same algorighm/codec no matter who writes the wrapper?
he said:
You certainly shouldn't encode with it. LAME is a far superior encoder.
i have been using the lame plugin for itunes, since people in the trading 'scene' are a little anal about encoding / bitrate, the accepted standard seems to be LAME 192 full stereo. Honestly though, how much of a difference could there be between LAME and itunes. Lets be realistic, you are encoding with a lossy algorithm. Could you really pick which mp3 file was encoded with itunes and which was encoded with LAME in a taste test? They are both equally flawed, audio data has been thrown away in an effort to make a much smaller file.
I am also of the firm belief that mp3 will be irrelevent within 2 years. I am becoming interested in FLAC, because I am sensitive to the shitty quality of mp3's, especially the swishy highs.
Are you sure, I thought it was Kid Loco, A Grand Love Theme or something like that..
please correct me if I'm wrong...
The other one that my dad always quoted:
TANSTAAFL
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe from Heinlein?
The irony is that for $320,000 you could start your own profitable business, or make some decent money from real investment. Hell, you could even do better in Vegas, baby! Even if he had lost it all he would have had fun.
My father was a little obsessed by grifters, pigeon drops and cons, so I had ample warning. Once, in San Franciso, an Afican man approached me on the street with his con. He was a merchant marine just pulled into port, had a scrawled address (which was a non-existant place) that he needed to find, and to top the story off, proved he didn't need money by flashing a 3 inch thick fold of bills to me. I laughed heartily and told him to go chase the pigeons.
He Said:
;) (sorry, had to slip that in)..
This year I've also begun recommending anti-spyware as well. It's amazing how ubiquitous that stuff's become over the past year.
Which one would you recommend? I have been using spybot search and destroy. I am a Mac desktop support person that has been enlisted to help on pc support calls. Our company is using a mixture of 98 and xp in a novell environment (mid xp transition). About 75% of the help calls that I receive are spyware related. I don't know how these companies stay in business, usually the spyware borks the machine, but that may just be interaction with the novell client. I have found it easier to reimage the machine in most cases. The worst is when 2 or more ad/spy programs get installed and end up fighting with each other for system resources, leaving the computer useless. They also forgot to patch their early XP deployments (pre-company image machines) and got welchia big time. Had to reboot routers, block offending traffic, etc... On my macs I don't have any of these types of problems
Yes Yes Yes!
We had northstar horizons at my junior high school, didn't they run cp/m as well? We had 8" disks... Had to tell kids not to fold those things.
My father had a Kaypro, I actually loved cp/m, visicalc rocked, I used it to do math problems. I wrote my papers on wordstar, which was great too, and I even was hooked on some dumb ass game that we got for it.
He said:
I had to save up for a year for my disks, muddling along with my cassette recorder. Boy, wasn't I styling once I got the 64K upgrade and the floppy!
Hmm, been down that road. But along the way we got an exabyte stringy floppy which was a high speed tape drive , it blew the cassette away! Also, before epson dot matrix printers ( I still love that sound, thank you Homestar Runner for my weekly dot matrix sound fix), my dad picked up a surplus teletype machine and hacked together a rs-232 interface for it.
yeah, that was always my fantasy, real authentic arcade games in an arcade room. When that ridiculous show Silver Spoons came on, I was most impressed that little ricky schroeder's new digs had arcade games.
I could finally master Defender and Stargate!
Essential games I would have are:
Asteroids
Berzerk (just so i could hear those robots talking)
Defender
Stargate
Robotron
Dig Dug
Paperboy
Tempest
Pac-Man
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong Jr.
Gauntlet 2
I'm sure you'll think of your favorite game that should be on the list too.
It would also need several pinball machines, I liked
8 Ball Deluxe for good old school action
Dark Knight of course
The Addams Family was a hoot, and you got to hear Hammer all through the game.
You'd need at least 10 pinballs to make sure you didn't get bored, and would have to tune the tilt thresholds to allow for 'english'.
On the non video game tip, it would have to have not only foos ball, but an air hockey table, those things are fun.
Anyway, stupid piece but always fun to talk about ultimate game setups....
he said;
Did Sybase really chose to rename their product, or were they forced to by legal/marketing forces?)
I doubt it. Microsoft was the main party in the last round of funding before Sybase's IPO. i.e. Microsoft owns a stake of Sybase, and noone forced anyone to do anything.
Yep, Kermit solved lots of file transfer problems. Remember also the other PC's that it worked with before, amigas, atari, kaypo, etc all the other little computers that we used and loved.
I used it on my atari ST to connect with many odd platforms when I worked at a large database company, or to connect to the Unix machines at the university. I downloaded nethack for the atari to my shell and kermited it down. I still haven't ascended. I sold the 1040 ST for 100 bucks though.
Also, it happened to be installed on many business/university machines that wouldn't just go installing things so you could download to a remote computer. A unix systems administrator was a quirky surly sort of person back then..oh wait.... anyway, next...
I remember using Ymodem-G and Zfor faster xfers from bbs systems, but remember noone was gunning for speed back then, we were squeezing every last bit out of our pathetically slow dialup connections. Kermit is great, built for the ages. I love it when these kinds of things get appreciated on slashdot and we get to remember the old days and hear great stories of back then.
The AC Said:
Also, Tivo discourages shows getting ripped and downloaded from the web and I'm not really sure how one would accomplish this easily anyway though I haven't really looked much into modding besides adding capacity.
Shows what you know buddy, it is easily accomplished with the installation of an ethernet port. A quick google on tivo + ethernet yields 30,800 results. Then how difficult is it to move a file from a Tivo to a personal computer? Not very difficult at all.
Sure it is good,
except this computer was a server, with a security minded administrator that put at least 3 or 4 hours into figuring out what happened to his box.
Now imagine the millions of computers out there, connected 24/7 to the internet, unpatched, unfirewalled, unhardened. Sure, this incident wasn't so bad, but I can imagine that there are boxes that stay 0wned until the day that they are decomissioned, due to clueless admins or just plain neglegence. I see it on irc all the time. people hack boxes and install a bnc, or other irc gizmo, somehow lose control of the box, but the drone remains connected to irc for months, or even a year.
So I don't think 'this isn't so bad', i think, wow the spammers aren't idiots, they have recruited some knowledgable black hats and are actively exploiting box after box with complex attacks and hand coded/modified tools, not some windows spam-app. This is terrible and scary.
nothing like a T1 at all nuff said