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Professor iPod Discusses Device's Social Impact

PurdueGraphicsMan writes "There's an interesting story over at Wired News, involving an interview with UK university professor Dr. Michael Bull, apparently the 'world's leading expert on the social impact of personal stereo devices,' according to The New York Times. The piece also mentions: 'Bull, a lecturer in media and culture at the University of Sussex in the United Kingdom, is the author of 'Sounding out the City: Personal Stereos and the Management of Everyday Life', a book Bull calls the 'definitive treatment' of the impact of the Sony Walkman and its descendants.'"

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  1. I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...very fitting for people who proclaim themselves the "world's leading expert on the social impact of personal stereo devices."

    I'm sure it's quite flattering to the elitist Apple snots, though. ;)

    1. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by T1mmzy · · Score: 1

      I believe all that is going on is the next step in listening to music wherever you go. That's about it.

    2. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Sporkinum · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not really..

      home > people > departmental faculty > Dr Michael Bull
      Dr Michael Bull

      Lecturer in Media and Cultural Studies
      Location: ESSEX HOUSE 209
      Email: M.Bull@sussex.ac.uk

      Telephone Numbers
      Internal: 8788 or 2574
      UK: 01273 678788 or
      01273 872574
      International: +44 1273 678788 or
      +44 1273 872574

      BSc (Bristol), MA (Greenwich), PhD (Goldsmiths)

      Research Interests

      Mobile comminication technologies and their use, Music and sound in urban culture. New directions in Critical Theory (The Frankfurt School).

      Selected Publications
      Books
      2000 Sounding Out the City: Personal Stereos and the Management of Everyday Life. Oxford. Berg.
      2003 The Auditory Culture Reader (edited with Les. Back,). Oxford. Berg

      Journal Articles
      2001 The World According to Sound: Investigating the World of Walkman Users. New Media and Society. Sage London.
      2002 The Seduction of Sound in Consumer Culture in Journal of Consumer Culture
      2003 "Towards an Aural Epistemology of Proximity and Distance. Mobile Technologies and their Use" in Space and Society (forthcoming)
      2003 "Alone Together: The Culture of Mobile Listening in Automobiles" in Social Studies of Science. (forthcoming)

      Chapters in Books
      2001 "Space, Place and Music: A Critical Ethnography of Automobile Habitation" in Car Cultures. (ed D. Miller) Berg. Cambridge.

      "Personal Stereo Use and the Aural Reconfiguration of Representational Space" in New Technologies and Spatial Practices (ed S. Munt) Cassell. London.

      2003 "To Each Their Own Bubble: Mobile Spaces of Sound in the City" in Place, Space and Culture in a Media Age (ed N. Couldry and A. McCarthy) Sage, London. (forthcoming)

      2003 "Thinking about Sound, Proximity and Distance in Western Experience. The Case of Odyssius's Walkman" in New directions in the Anthropology of Sound ( ed V.Erlmann.) Oxford. Berg. (forthcoming)

      Translations
      2003 Sounding Out the City is published in Japanese by Hituzi Sybo, Tokyo.

      Book reviews

      Theodor W, Adorno, Metaphysics: Concept and Problems, Cambridge: Polity Press, 2000 Sociology 2002, David Morley, Home Territories: Media, mobility and Identity, London, Routledge, 2000. New Media and Society. 2002

      Recent Conference Papers and International Workshops
      March 2002 Rethinking Networks: Fluid Networks, Fluid People. Helsinki, Finland.
      Towards an Aural Epistemology of Proximity and Distance: Mobile Technologies and their Use.

      April 2002 "Hearing Culture": New Directions in the Anthropology of Sound. Oaxaca, Mexico.

      Thinking about Sound, Proximity and Distance in Western Experience. The Case of Odyssius's Walkman

      April 2002 "Musica Urbana" University of Bologna.

      The Aural Privatising of Urban Space and its Social Implications.

      November 2002 Sound Matters. New Technology in Music. University of Maastricht

      The Culture of Mobile Listening: From Walkmans to the Automobile as an Acoustic Theatre.

      Teaching

      Michael teaches undergraduate courses in: Music and Media, Media, Technology and Everyday Life, The Media in the Era off Globalisation.

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    3. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by deanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ok....so he's been at it for three years, going on four now.

      The point the first poster was trying to make is be wary of folks that are called "experts" on topics like this.

      Academia has a strange way of annoiting people with "expert" titles for things. You'd be shocked how many of these so called "experts" are bluffing their way through. I'm not saying their ALL like that, but seriously, there are a lot. I mean really, look at the guy they refer to. He's been at it for THREE YEARS. There are other people that have been at this for much longer, who are likely more worthy of the title "expert".

      Those of you with jobs at universities will know what I'm talking about.

    4. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by 74nova · · Score: 1

      that is entirely correct. however, is it possible he is one of the best because its so new? i mean, here at oklahoma state, we have one of the leading sports geography(and another guy is the same for music geography) folks around. this is mostly due to the fact that there arent many in existence. i mean, you coudl be a pro at 64 bit athlon chips, but youve probably only been around a few years in that case. probably a poor example, but you get the idea. are there other people who have been doing this for a while?

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    5. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      I remember the 'walkman' being around in 1979 or so. I remember the same kind of elite snobbery then, the 'new wave' chicks with their tiny player on their waistband.

      What's so new? There were enough of us back then who saw some cultural trends. I think this guy just decided to make a name for himself with something, and came up with the idea of publishing it as if it's a 'new discipline'. That's a lot of bull, Bull.

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    6. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      There are other people that have been at this for much longer, who are likely more worthy of the title "expert".

      Okay, name one.

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    7. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Bill_Royle · · Score: 1

      We need to lock this guy in the same room with Enderle, then throw away the key.

      Oh - I almost forgot. Let's put Darl in there too.

    8. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1
      I'm sure it's quite flattering to the elitist Apple snots, though. ;)

      We are not elitist. In fact, we'd like you to join us. :-)

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    9. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Mangal · · Score: 1

      "Expert"- someone who thinks they know more than everybody else, and says so loudly enough that the rest of us smile and nod so they'll go away....

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    10. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by rhkaloge · · Score: 1

      I blame the media. Whenever I hear about a particular "expert in the field", I suspect it's just this guy who wrote a paper on the liver of the African Beenie Fish 5 years ago, and was the first one the journalist found on Google after it was revieled that said liver is a cure for cancer or something.

    11. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's been at it for THREE YEARS.

      In my book, a long enough time for a very specialized subject like this one.

      There are other people that have been at this for much longer, who are likely more worthy of the title "expert".

      Such as?

    12. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by 74nova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ill definitely say that they start out on the wrong foot with me anytime someone is a self-proclaimed expert. however, did anybody do any research back int 1979? you said you saw some cultural trends, but maybe this guy is the first to actually study it at any length. im not saying its not all crap, but do you know of anybody else that has done any amount of actual research on the matter?

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    13. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that make you an expert on experts? I'll start smiling and nodding now...

    14. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      The vita doesn't say what he was doing prior to 2000. It is common in academia to only put the last few years on your vita to stress your latest accomplishments. Also, as someone else noted, he likely spent at least a few years prior to his first publication working on a PhD on this topic.

    15. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      I'm not a cultural anthropologist, nor do I know a lot of them. I do know that there's always somebody trying to find a new thing to discover, and there are probably numerous studies out there already. I won't claim to be able to cite them.

      But this is not a 'new topic for study' and anybody who claims that is wrong.

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    16. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by gobbo · · Score: 1
      are there other people who have been doing this for a while?

      Hildegard Westerkamp wrote about Walkmans and personal audio space as a key part of her 1988 thesis "Listening and Soundmaking-A Study of Music-as- Environment", but the World Soundscape Project generally had a pretty good analysis of this right from the beginning of the phenomenon.

      The composer R. Murray Shafer's concept of "schizophonia" became used to describe an effect of electroacoustic tech: essentially something you hear that happens in another place and time. Barry Truax's definitive book Acoustic Communication develops the whole idea further.

      The thing about PLD's is that they supplant the actual soundscape with a soundtrack, often a remedy to noise and stress but usually just fun. There may be a long-term chronic danger from extreme schizophonia, but I don't think it's been studied empirically. Soundscape studies is fringe, most of the work being done in the area is engineering and psych.

    17. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by WiggyWack · · Score: 1
      April 2002 "Musica Urbana" University of Bologna.

      Bull and bologna!

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    18. Re:I think the Prof's name is a hint.... by CyberdogOSX · · Score: 1

      we may be snots, but at least are machines aren't sh*t......

  2. Professor iPod? by Bobdoer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is he anything like Dr. Pepper? If so, I want to see his credentials.

    1. Re:Professor iPod? by craXORjack · · Score: 4, Funny
      UK university professor Dr. Michael Bull, apparently the 'world's leading expert on the social impact of personal stereo devices

      How does a professor get a reputation like that, downloading a buttload of mp3's?

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    2. Re:Professor iPod? by rholliday · · Score: 2, Funny

      He got the certificate when he paid $300 for the early Walkman.

      That, or out of a ceral box.

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    3. Re:Professor iPod? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      I had a really kickass Walkman that cost like 270 back in '90. It was super-super slim, and had a rechargable battery and a module for a single AA.

    4. Re:Professor iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man I need to get out more...

      I guess it's too much to ask you to get funny.

    5. Re:Professor iPod? by tklive · · Score: 1

      well.. i guess decisions to support credentials like these also contribte to the overall lowering of pay scales http://www.education.guardian.co.uk/specialreports /lecturerspay/story/0,5500,1154654,00.html "I was chatting to the plumber who came to fit my new boiler," he said. "He remarked that, because I had a PhD, I must be earning lots of money. I had my pay slip on me and when I showed it to him, he said, 'I earn twice that'."

    6. Re:Professor iPod? by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Buttload?

      And how many mp3s is that?

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    7. Re:Professor iPod? by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      I had - and still have - a Sony Gold Walkman. It doesn't get much more exclusive than that, baby.

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    8. Re:Professor iPod? by byolinux · · Score: 1

      Four. Honestly.

    9. Re:Professor iPod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do start going out, could you pick up some funny at the store? It sounds like you're running out...

  3. Of course iPod is successful by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even Mr. T thinks you should buy one! And with advertisements like this one, all the fans of Dude, Wheres My Car will want one. Those two should take care of most of the US population, I'm sure.

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    1. Re:Of course iPod is successful by Pxtl · · Score: 2, Informative

      IMHO, they've a serious flaw - the damn things break easy. I know 3 people with iPods, and each of them has had to return it multiple times. For several hundred dollars of (addmitedly sexy, nicely designed) pocket hardware, that's pretty bad.

    2. Re:Of course iPod is successful by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I feel the need to mention that (a) anecdotal evidence like this is prima facie absurd since by definition it is a non-representative sample, and (b) i, my father, sister and several of my friends all have iPods, and none have had any problems so for whatever specious value you attribute to your anecdote, my anecdote must even it out.

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    3. Re:Of course iPod is successful by slash-tard · · Score: 1

      Ive dropped mine several times and no problems. You dont say what is breaking but to me the iPod feels sturdier than similiar models.

      It does scratch way too easy though.

    4. Re:Of course iPod is successful by tenton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What the hell are they doing with them? Throwing them against a wall?

      I've had my iPod for over a year and it's been working fine. I've had a couple of "oh no" moments when it made a short fall to the floor (2 feet or so), but it's been running fine. And I get excellent battery life.

    5. Re:Of course iPod is successful by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      I should have clarified this - they didn't do anything to them. This was just random hardware failure. Sometimes they even came non-functional directly from Apple. This isn't a matter of the construction being physically fragile - its the parts being unstable. Maybe its a local thing - maybe the one really shitty iPod plant provides for rural southern Ontario. Either way, its too many people for me to know that all have had similar problems.

    6. Re:Of course iPod is successful by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Maybe the prollem is that his friends aren't dropping them enough. I make sure i drop my minidisc every once in a while, and make sure hte case gets nice and scuffed up, so it keeps working.

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    7. Re:Of course iPod is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well that clarifies it...my iPod, which works perfectly, as well as my friends' iPods, must suck. Darnit! :) Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    8. Re:Of course iPod is successful by tealover · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anecdotal evidence about the battery replacement snafu seems to have been effective. It sure got Apple to change plans quickly in order to save face.

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    9. Re:Of course iPod is successful by rufo · · Score: 1

      Heh. I have abused the hell out of my iPod. I've dropped it too many times to count, sometimes from large distances, gone jogging with it, gotten sand in the scroll wheel (which I still haven't cleaned out, although it seems to have worked itself away so that the wheel feels normal), and left it in the case while charging (which you weren't supposed to do for the first few firmware versions due to heat issues, although now the HD spins down when not in use). While the front and back are scuffed all to hell (even though I have it in a case), it still works like the day I got it. I'm not 100% sure about the battery, but it lasts long enough for me.

      I have the very first 10 gig model with the physical (non-touch sensitive) scroll wheel, so I don't know - maybe the newer ones are more fragile. But for something I've so throughly beat up I'm amazed the thing still works.

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    10. Re:Of course iPod is successful by xigxag · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What your two anecdotes together establish is that in the absence of additional evidence, it appears that a certain non-zero percentage of iPods are faulty. Enough to construct a hypothesis that there may be something warranting further investigation. So in no sense is his anecdote "absurd." It's quite useful to me since it indicates something I might want to research before plunking down $400.

      It's also a bit of unintended irony to use the legalese expression prima facie, since it's in a court of law that eyewitness (by definition anecdotal) testimony bears the most weight.

      And before you are quick to whip out a response where you parrot further misinterpretations of Logical Fallacies 101, really reflect for a moment and consider how frequently you rely upon anecdotal evidence in your daily life. It's an indispensible tool. Just not a perfect one.

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    11. Re:Of course iPod is successful by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it shows that poster number one (if he isn't trolling) knows some people who break their iPods a lot.

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    12. Re:Of course iPod is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you talking about? Apple practically ignored the battery "issues" with iPods... because there are none.

      The $99 replacement policy has been in place for much longer than the general internet populous has been bitching about li-ion batters not lasting forever.

    13. Re:Of course iPod is successful by Talez · · Score: 2, Informative

      The battery replacement service was released 2 weeks before that stupid ipod's dirty little secret thing's domain was even registered.

    14. Re:Of course iPod is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Prima facie," "absurd," "non-representative sample"? I hope you do know that you only make yourself look stupid.

      In the absence of any other evidence, the parent poster's claim is quite justified. Like another poster replied to you already, anecdotal evidence is not "absurd" --it is essential to your everyday life. Try not making judgements based on anything but large representative samples just for one single day and try to see how it works out. Be sure to let us all know.

      Idiot.

    15. Re:Of course iPod is successful by TomorrowPlusX · · Score: 1

      Bad luck, or you know a bunch of folks with a tendency to throw/stomp/microwave/bake/take-baths-with expensive electronics.

      Since we're going to take the route of non-confirmable storytelling, I wrecked my bicycle while listening to my iPod -- landing and tumbling about 20 feet more or less right on it. The metal shell was dislodged. I pushed it ( or rather, snapped it ) back into place, and voila, it was fine. Heck, you can't even see any damage.

      So there. And... gasp... I've owned mine for just about a year and my battery is fine too. But then, I'm not a 24-7 iPod zombie.

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    16. Re:Of course iPod is successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you managed to find something worse then penny-arcade!

  4. Leading expert on WHAT?! by gilrain · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds like a load of Bull to me.

    1. Re:Leading expert on WHAT?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a load of Bull to me

      oh man i want to make a joke about "load of Bull" so bad.

  5. From the article by Atticu5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Half the people I've talked to so far download music illegally.

    He must be new at this.

    1. Re:From the article by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 1

      Half the people I've talked to so far download music illegally.

      He must be new at this.


      No, the real question we need to ask him is which half of those people did he talk to - the good half or the naughty half?

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    2. Re:From the article by silentmalek · · Score: 1, Funny

      From the article

      He must be new at this

    3. Re:From the article by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Half the people I've talked to so far download music illegally.
      He must be new at this.
      He must have had 50% of his interviewees in Canada, where downloading music IS legal.
    4. Re:From the article by Atticu5 · · Score: 1

      Touche.

    5. Re:From the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was saying that number seemed a little low.

      In pretty much all populated areas that I've been to, where computers are frequent... Well, let's just say that 99.99% of the teenagers have downloaded music illegally (that means at minimum of one song). And anywhere there's a highschool or college, trading of physical CDs takes place; some copied from the origional, some burned from mp3s.

      When my grandmother had kaazalite installed on her computer--and had a modest collection of country music, I knew that the shit had hit the fan.

    6. Re:From the article by mrtroy · · Score: 1

      When I downloaded a country music video from your grandmother, and got one of her home videos, I really new the shit hit the fan...

      But the issue at hand isnt illegal or legal downloading

      So mod me and the parent off topic :d

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  6. Redundant by savagedome · · Score: 0, Redundant

    the world's leading -- perhaps only -- expert

    ??

    1. Re:Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's sorta like the "world's greatest harmonica player, that fat guy in Blues Travelers" or "Zimphire, master of the man flute." They are titles that nobody is competing for.

    2. Re:Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the fuck is that redundant?

      "He's definitely on the honor roll."
      "And everyone else has a C average or worse."

      The former doesn't imply the latter.

      Idiot.

    3. Re:Redundant by redJag · · Score: 1

      Oh look, someone tried to make a quick post so they could get mod points! You can be the leading expert and still have colleagues that are also experts - 'expert' does not imply that he's the only one knowledgeable in the field.

    4. Re:Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was trying to point out the opposite - that being the only one knowledgable in the field does not make you an expert.

    5. Re:Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Zimphire, master of the man flute"

      Lol, a freudian slip?...There seem to be a lot of people doing that instrument - most of them are captured on tape!

      p.s. it's pan flute

    6. Re:Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be confusing "Zamfir, master of the pan flute" with "Zimphire, master of the man flute."

  7. Social Impact by physicsboy500 · · Score: 5, Funny

    why yes... it causes the user to turn entirely black with white headphones showing.

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    1. Re:Social Impact by Selecter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to mention they all dance way better.

  8. Walkman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back in the 80s, I wanted to buy a Walkman, but I couldn't find one with OGG on it. Stupid closed-source fascists!

  9. Devices and Their Tools by qw(name) · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Dr. Bull's work reminds me of Sweden's social engineering efforts. How we use something, how far do we go to utilize the device(s), etc.

    Dr. Bull says, "It gives people totally private worlds." While that may be true, it also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental health.

    1. Re:Devices and Their Tools by tsunamifirestorm · · Score: 5, Funny

      it also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental health.
      apply that to /. and that explains why we are so weird..

    2. Re:Devices and Their Tools by qw(name) · · Score: 1


      Indeed. ;-)

    3. Re:Devices and Their Tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not convinced of that last part. Important for their ability to function with others, maybe.

    4. Re:Devices and Their Tools by kfg · · Score: 1

      While that may be true, it also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental health.

      Indeed, and when you play your boom box on the bus or your cell phone goes off in the theater you are likely to be subsequently engaged in social interaction for the mental health of of the public weal.

      You arent' guarunteed much mental, or other, health out of the deal though.

      KFG

    5. Re:Devices and Their Tools by dnahelix · · Score: 1

      "social interaction ... is vital for mental health"

      Says who?

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    6. Re:Devices and Their Tools by Lepruhkawn · · Score: 1
      t also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental health.


      This is very true, but of course, social interaction negatively effects your mental health as well as positively.

      I'm sure that I'm hitting close to home for many of my fellow slashdot nerds.

      Why isn't it I hardly every hear nerds talk about psychotherapy? Many of us need it. And many of us have mental diseases that are unaffected by the existence of an iPod in our pocket.
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    7. Re:Devices and Their Tools by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Dr. Bull says, "It gives people totally private worlds." While that may be true, it also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental health."

      Bullshit!

      There is plenty of social interaction in the average day. The Walkman/iPod allows you to use it as a gateway to that interaction.

      "Being Morally Opposed To The Walkman Carries With It Certain Responibilities"
      by Penn Jillette

      I was leaving my business manager's office. The elevator arrived right away and I got on to find there was another passenger. She was black, she had a beautiful smile, her headphones blended with her hair, and she was listening to some pop love song on her Walkman. It was loud, but I couldn't make it out. Maybe I'd never heard it before, but it was a love song. I smiled, slipped on my super-cool candy-red headphones, and turned the Clash's London Calling way up.

      We had ridden together for several floors when we were joined by one of those bicycle delvery guys. He had a little hay, the tight black bicycle pants with the reinforced crotch;he was Hispanic and had the little tiny headphones that fit right in the ear so you can only see a couple little spots of blue and some wires coming out of the ears. He looked at us, wrote something on a manila encelope, put it in his backpack, and turned up his music. I have no way of knowing what he was listening to, because "Revolution Rock" was filling my head. But whatever it was he was enjoying it. We swayed our heards together in different rhythms.

      The three of us rode a few more floors, then we were joined by a businesswoman type. She had on one of those female biz suits, and her hair and makeup were soft and natural. I think she ran every morning or at least took a dance class. Through the light tint of her glasses, I saw her look at each of us and roll her eyes up. Then she started shaking her head like we wern't going to notice. My fellow passengers didn't notice, but i slipped my headphones down around my neck and said, "It must sound like Charles Ives out here, huh? Is it too loud for you?"

      She gave me this little condescending smile through her tastefully lipsticked mouth and said, "You people just cut yourselves off from everybody, don't you? I mean, it's really bad enough that no one even makes eye contact anymore, but you people just walk around in your own little worlds. We're a culture of very lonely people. It's sad. It's really very sad."

      Since the other two people in the elevator were in their own respective little worlds, I appointed myself spokesperson for us three lonely people. "You were really dying for some human contact here, wern't you? Huh? You walked on this elevator and said to yourself, 'Oh, Jiminy Cricket! I really wanted to talk to this delivery boy, this receptionist and this big ugly sone of a bitch with a square head. But, alas, they've cut themselves off from my personal contact. I guess I can't have any meaningful dialouge with them. Darn!' You don't give a yuppie-tweed fuck about the three of us! You just need something sensitive and humanitarian to talk about over your fuckin' power lunch... I'll make a deal with you - we'll take our headphones off and we'll listen to you, but you better have something to say. And when you ask him what kind of bike he has and he tells you, you better really care. And you better keep us entertained... do a little fuckin' dance if you have to! When each of use walked onto the elevator, we smiled at one another and you just rolled your fuckin' eyes. So, you want personal contact? Shoot!"

      So, this was another elevator ride in the big city during which I didn't fall in love, make a friend or even set myself up to get laid.

      But I do enjoy the Clash.

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    8. Re:Devices and Their Tools by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      Dr. Bull says, "It gives people totally private worlds." While that may be true, it also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental health.

      Very true. I seem to have idiot karma; friends and family are amazed by the idiots who pop up in my life at inopportune moments. They always seek me out, and usually get in front of me at the checkout line, or in the passing lane of the interstate, or by getting elected. If I couldn't remove myself from social interaction for the sweet relief of solitude, I'd go so postal that I'd make a communist dictator look like a rank amateur.

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    9. Re:Devices and Their Tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Dr. Bull says, "It gives people totally private worlds." While that may be true,
      > it also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental
      > health.

      You're both full of shit.

    10. Re:Devices and Their Tools by kevinbr · · Score: 1

      At times we suffer from too much interaction. My favorite use of an iPod is at take off and landing on an airplane. Of course the staff always tell me to turn it off, but as soon as they pass, on goes the music again. Of course I cannot wait for some freak to attack me about danger to aircraft instrument navigation..... Being crammed in (I fly a lot, every week), this allows me some feeling of space and control. Also SHOULD the plane crash, I can just turn up the volume and not have to listen to people wailing and screaming. I want to go out to music I enjoy.... I prefer social interaction in places that are niceer than airplanes. Most people when flying adopt the personna of a sheep, with social and conversational skills of a donkey.

    11. Re:Devices and Their Tools by kerrbear · · Score: 1

      Dr. Bull says, "It gives people totally private worlds." While that may be true, it also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental health.

      I don't know about others, but I use my iPod for portable dance parties all the time. If I am at a party and it gets boring and people want to dance- I just pull out the iPod and start the party playlist on whatever stereo is available. Voila, instant club.

      People are amazed and the party is saved! I must have done this dozens of times over the years. If anything, it has enhanced my social life and my friends'.

    12. Re:Devices and Their Tools by v_1matst · · Score: 1


      "It gives people totally private worlds."
      it also removes people from social interaction


      Not only that, but iPods and other mass storage music players seem to have removed the concept of an 'album' from peoples minds. I do own an iPod, however I find it much more enjoyable to bring a discman and a good pair of headphones to work and actually listen to an album from start to finish (instead of skipping around and listening to random songs).

      There -is- something to be said for vinyl, not least of which is the fact that you actually end up paying a lot more attention to what you're listening to.

  10. I bought an iPod Mini by joshua404 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's blue and it plays music real good. I walk around with it and listen to music. It's pretty.

    Thank God there are scientists researching this shocking phenomenon.

    1. Re:I bought an iPod Mini by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      I actually looked at the Mini's at the Apple Store the other day... they really are a lot smaller IRL than they look in most of the advertisements.

    2. Re:I bought an iPod Mini by Patik · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's blue and it plays music real good.
      Maybe you should stop by audible.com and download a book on speaking English to listen to rather than music.
    3. Re:I bought an iPod Mini by joshua404 · · Score: 1
      Maybe you should stop by audible.com and download a book on speaking English to listen to rather than music.

      You're new at the whole interpeting sarcasm thing, huh?

    4. Re:I bought an iPod Mini by Patik · · Score: 1

      Even after rereading the post it doesn't look like sarcasm was part of the joke. The joke was the "thank you, Captain Obvious" tone.

  11. so true by mac+os+ken · · Score: 1

    Ever since I got my iPod I listen to KMFDM when I decide that the ultra heavy beat is more important than whatever Professor Whatshisnuts decides to talk for the sake of time filler.

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  13. "Safety" can come at a price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "There's a lot of studies in the literature that demonstrate with the urban space, the more it's inhabited, the safer you feel. You feel safe if you can feel people there, but you don't want to interact with them."

    When I use my iPod in public, I often realize that by avoiding that interaction, I may feel more 'safe' but I am also missing out. Usually I take my iPod headphones out when I'm in a situation where I could interact with people. I like my music, but I think the sense of security is very false.

    1. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by qw(name) · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I think so as well. That "safe" feeling often leads to what psychologists call Crowded Lonliness, i.e., to be surrounded by many people yet not interacting with them (except to divert your vision from them).

    2. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by bc90021 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off, I don't own an iPod - I'm basing my comment here on having a Discman. Same difference in the end - we're both listening to music.

      Second off, I use my Discman, it's on the commute. I really can't say that I'm missing out on anything while sitting on the train. No one interacts on the train. I'm not missing out on the walk from the station to work either - who would I interact with anyway?

      I could see how your comments would make sense if you were using your iPod in a bar or restaurant, but I haven't seen much interaction in public (especially on my commute) lately that I would be missing out on.

    3. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by daviddennis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I bought the iPod as a personal stereo and as a backup device, so that it would be easy and painless for me to do backups, to a device I was unlikely to forget to take with me.

      It's a great backup device, and it's a great personal stereo.

      I stopped using my iPod outside of the car when I realized that I was feeling a lot less grounded in the real world than I'd been before. I realized that I was closing myself out from interactions with other people. As a nerd, I have too few of those in any event, so I recognized the unit as a gant step backwards.

      However, it's great in the car, and I can't wait until I get an iPod compatible car stereo so I don't need to wear those awful earbuds.

      Oddly enough, until that time, I've actually wound up using it more as an audio source for my home stereo. It works great there too, and I don't have to bother with earbuds. I suspect that will be its primary use until I get a car stereo compatible with it.

      Leaving it at home ruins it as a disaster recovery backup, though, which is a bummer ...

      D

    4. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by RodgerDodger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you misread the statement. It's not using your iPod that makes you feel safe, it's the presence of people.

      However, the presence of people has downsides. Using your iPod lets you escape those downsides, while still retaining the safe feeling.

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    5. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Headphones in the car aren't a good idea, and as sibling poster pointed out, probably illegal. Your better off getting a tape adapter if your car stereo has a tape player (mine does, but i wish it just had RCA ins, no loss...), or an FM adapter. I'd recomend a digital one, because otherwise they're a bitch to tune and the signal will drop annoyingly in the middle of traffic.

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    6. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by digital+bath · · Score: 1

      I bought a radio adaptor for my iPod, and I wish I hadn't. I don't know if I just have very sensitive ears or something, but when I use the adaptor in my car I hear a very high-pitched, very noticable whine coming from my speakers. Doesn't happen with the normal radio in my car or with the cd player.

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    7. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by JOW · · Score: 1

      One word, Itrip, 49Usd and you are free, I just ficked one up,

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    8. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by tbone1 · · Score: 4, Funny
      but when I use the adaptor in my car I hear a very high-pitched, very noticable whine coming from my speakers.

      Hm, try turning the dial away from NPR during pedge week.

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    9. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bazing!

    10. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by jazmataz23 · · Score: 1
      Well, it's very easy to not interact with anyone in a public space, but you're missing out on a lot of interesting exchanges. Just seeing a stranger's face light up when you give them a big, honest, uncomplicated smile is a real joy. And so you know, I'm an introvert too, so don't give me any talk about how it's uncomfortable. You'll get over it.

      Two months ago, I met a woman who is also a seventh child, and invited her along to a talent show I was going to. The romance didn't go far, but it was fun while it lasted. Just Tuesday I was on the platform at Union Station, and passing a disreputable looking young man I heard a quiet "Excuse me". Typically my response is to continue on my way, as this is usually panhandling behavior. For some reason I turned back and asked if he needed some help. Well, my hunch was correct, he was panhandling, but I did as I usually do (when I do anything) which is to get something to eat with them (I'm hypoglycemic, so I'm eating all the time anyway). Turns out he was also a mathematician, and we talked well into the night about topology, multivalent and/or fuzzy logic, tensors, artificial intelligence and on and on. He insipred me to start a group of Math Geeks in DC, just to get together for a meal and good conversation.

      As much as I love music, I learned years ago that personal players completely rule out this sort of chance meeting. Talking to stangers is the source of a wealth of social riches, try it yourself!

      jaz

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    11. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by dukeisgod · · Score: 1

      iThink things like the iTrip are an iWaste. Any little bootleg FM station seriously fscks up the quality of your music. Best just head on over to crutchfield.com and look into a stereo with RCA input. You can pick up an adapter cable that patches into the changer control on pretty much any stereo. Then you have direct line in, and no FM interference, no headphones, it just works.

    12. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by filmsmith · · Score: 1

      Christ, I never came closer to spweing Dr. Pepper all over my monitor than when I read your post!

      Thanks!

      fs

    13. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by elemental23 · · Score: 1

      You need a ground loop isolator for that whine you're hearing, you can pick one up at Radio Shack for under $20. It's a small box with RCA jacks on either side, just put it on the line between your iPod and your car stereo and that should take care of it.

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    14. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      There was a great article in the NY Times Magazine about this exact phenomenon. I wonder how much of it is the music that makes them feel detached, and how much is the appearance of the headphones.

      Perfect example, when I sit in the cafeteria at college for lunch, and I'm reading the paper and don't want people coming up to talk to me, I leave my headphones on my head even if I don't have music on. It kind of lets me screen people. If I see someone I want to talk to, I can take them off, otherwise I can leave them on and most leave me alone.

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    15. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by CuriHP · · Score: 1

      I wired mine straight into the back of the radio and experience a similar whine, but only if I try to use the car charger. I don't have the problem running from the battery.

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    16. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by digital+bath · · Score: 1

      Problem is that there's no line. It's a radio adaptor; the iPod actually plays over a user-defined radio frequency, and then my car radio picks up the station. Or do you mean I should stick a ground loop isolator between the ipod and the radio adaptor?

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    17. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by elemental23 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, that I can't help you with, I'm afraid. I've never used one of those radio adapters. Stop in to your local car stereo shop, I'm sure they'll be able to answer that for you.

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    18. Re:"Safety" can come at a price by megabulk3000 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, all right, I can see both sides. When I lived in Chicago and had to take the train at 8AM nose-to-nose with a bunch of ugly insensitive fatheads, I was sure glad for my Walkman (and my sunglasses, too, on mornings when I was feeling just a little too groggy and vulnerable). But on the other hand, a few years ago, living in NYC, I met a girl on the subway (she was reading an old falling-apart book and I was feeling gregarious and asked her about it) and she became my girlfriend. Which would never have happened, had we both been wrapped up in our own private musical worlds.

      I guess it's nice to have an option, to be open for communication, or to shut yourself off from it. (or maybe the moral of the story is to move to NYC, with its hot, book-reading chicks using public transportation)

      One more thing: my old Psychology professor told us that lots of schizophrenics rely upon Walkmen to try to drown out the voices in their heads.

  14. Apple "gets it right" by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "In terms of usage, Apple got it intuitively right."

    Whether it's intuition or hard research, more often than not Apple gets it right. The other computer companies usually go for "good enough" and as cheap as they can make it, and that got them market share but not that much loyalty. Now that the computer companies are being forced by reduced margins into the consumer electronic space, they are going to be faced with a different mindset. People who buy electronic widgets do not say, "Hey, who cares if it's a beige box, I don't care what it looks like, I just want cheap!" Instead people want stereos and televisions and DVD players that have quality features and look good with the rest of their stuff. Low price works to some degree here, but high-end does quite well too.

    Apple has been there all along. There's a reason Apple users tend to be loyal despite the occasional hiccups from Apple and historically higher margins: They get it right. And boy does that matter in the consumer electronic marketplace. For proof of that, just walk around any large city and count the iPods. They got it right.

    1. Re:Apple "gets it right" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The really interesting thing is that Sony once had it right. I remember in the 1980's... if you wanted to by great stuff, you couldn't go wrong with Sony. It was cool. Sure, there were better brands that cost lots more. But if you wanted good stuff for a reasonable (but perhaps slightly expensive price), Sony was the company for you.

      Now? I haven't bought a Sony product in years.

    2. Re:Apple "gets it right" by ZipR · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps more accurately -- Apple's Marketing "got it right?"

    3. Re:Apple "gets it right" by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

      For proof of that, just walk around any large city and count the iPods. They got it right.

      Then why aren't we seeing everyone with Macs?

      Simple. It's a crowded market and PC's have been on the market for so long. But the mp3 player arena is a newer one, and apple went strong. That's the reason.

  15. Re:Obligatory DRM reference by forevermore · · Score: 5, Informative

    What DRM on the ipod? As far as I've seen, the DRM is in iTunes, and only applies to music downloaded from the iTunes store. I've had no problem copying self-encoded music files from my machine at home, to my iPod, to my machine at work (all windows). The only hard part was finding the music on the iPod, but since I have "show hidden files/folders" enabled in Windows, it was pretty easy. The filenames are a little strange on the iPod, but if you tell iTunes to file your music away for you, it will happily rename the files and place them in appropriately-named folders.

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  16. (not) Impressed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    'world's leading expert on the social impact of personal stereo devices,'

    Wow... I'll bet that one was a highly-contendted for title....

  17. Re:Batteries change too? by Senjutsu · · Score: 4, Informative

    User servicable in what sense?

    Inside of warranty, you can send it back to Apple and have it replaced for free. Outside of warranty, you can have it replaced by Apple for $99 or you could do it yourself with a bit of technical know-how for less than half that price.

    They're by no means meant to be "disposable".

  18. Re:Batteries change too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, where have you been? Pull your head out of your ass and smell the iPods... the battery is replacable by Apple, by the user, or by a host of third parties. geez

  19. Some good points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think he makes a point when he says that there is some music that is personal, which you claim as your own for listening. As a listener of different genres of music, with a strong experimental streak, I prefer the option of not subjecting my room-mates to my experiments. The music we share is different from what I listen to on my own. Being not from the US (I'm Indian, as in a brown one), I really can't expect my hindi song-fan friends to share my enthusiasm for Chemical Brothers or Fatboy Slim.

  20. I've never understood the phenomenon... by Atario · · Score: 1
    ...but if what this guy says is the truth, suddenly I'm very scared.
    Or you use it to control thoughts. A lot of people don't like to be alone with their thoughts. The best way to avoid that is to listen to music.
    Wow. So people put these things (and by "these things", I mean any headphoney-musicy thingie...iPod, Walkman, whatever) to block out their own thoughts. Auto-mind-control. That is friggin' sad.
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    1. Re:I've never understood the phenomenon... by qw(name) · · Score: 1


      It is sad that people do this because if you can't think for yourself you're just a drone for someone elses doings. As technology increases, our ability to stretch our brain decreases.

      We have become the "entertain me now" generation.

    2. Re:I've never understood the phenomenon... by venicebeach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Auto-mind-control. That is friggin' sad.

      There's nothing wrong with "auto-mind-control"; in fact it may be one of the gems of evolution. We all practice self-mind-control all day long, directing our thoughts to what it most important, monitoring our progress and allocating mental resources. We also do things like drink caffeine to self-regulate our arousal and some practice meditation to affect their mental functioning. I certainly use music to either help me focus on my work when its time to do that or to help me forget it when its time for that. Thank goodness for the prefrontal cortex!

    3. Re:I've never understood the phenomenon... by Atario · · Score: 1

      Ok, bad choice of words. Shoulda said "auto-mind-nullification".

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    4. Re:I've never understood the phenomenon... by Kaki+Nix+Sain · · Score: 1
      When I started going to school again, and found that my new department loves early morning classes, I knew I was in trouble. I would stumble to class late or not at all most days. One of the few thoughts I would have those mornings was "damn I need an mp3 player." I was right. Now if I can wake up long enough to get the 'phones in my ears, my brain is trained to move and get me to class. I may not be very awake for the first few minutes, but I make it there much better.

      Self-brainwashing and conditioning can be a very good thing.

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  21. Re:Batteries change too? by ChrisBeer · · Score: 1, Informative

    Well, the batteries are not supposed to be user-servicable, apparently. That is what the big controversy over the iPod was a bit ago. It costs $99 for out-of-warrenty iPods for apple to change their batteries.

    The batteries are, however, rechargable (optimally 14-28hrs, apparently) .. So, it isn't exactly use-once, throw it away. I don't know off the top of my head the life of the batteries, anyone?

  22. Re:Batteries change too? by Raindance · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sort of.

    iPods are not 'throw away devices' by any means.

    If your iPod's battery goes (there's a certain threshold for apple to take it back) within a year, they'll replace it. Two years if you buy iPod applecare.

    If it goes and it's not under any sort of warrantee, you can pay apple $99 for a battery replacement. That's including everything. *Or* if you're savvy enough you can go online and order a do-it-yourself battery replacement for considerably cheaper.

    Once again, this is not a 'throw away' issue.

    RD

  23. Re:Batteries change too? by redJag · · Score: 0, Redundant

    They are user-serviceable, but I am fairly sure that it voids your warranty, which is crap. Don't get me wrong, I love Apple, and I'm not all that sure about the warranty thing :P For reference:
    iPod Battery.com

  24. Not all social interaction is good by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Social interaction is vital, but it's not all mentally healthy. I used to be a regular bus commuter, and I was forced to interact with all kinds of people on the bus and at the bus stop, many of whom were unpleasant to be forced into close proximity.

    A good Walkman was *vital* for my mental health.

    And when I was in college walking to/from class or wherever, a good walkman made the walk more enjoyable. It's not like I was going to have a social interaction with 99.9999% of the strangers I walked past in the first place.

    1. Re:Not all social interaction is good by qw(name) · · Score: 5, Insightful


      And that's an important aspect as well. I suppose what I was getting at was that people use iPods and Walkmans to escape from social interaction with most people they know. For example, I don't allow my children to listen to their Walkmans while they are in the car because that time can be better spent getting connected with one another.

    2. Re:Not all social interaction is good by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 3, Funny

      I applaud you for raising your children. Or maybe you just got lucky. If my brother and I were in the same car, and ONE of us didn't have a walkman/CD player (either so he woudlnt talk or i couldnt listen) there would be warfare.

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    3. Re:Not all social interaction is good by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      And that's an important aspect as well. I suppose what I was getting at was that people use iPods and Walkmans to escape from social interaction with most people they know. For example, I don't allow my children to listen to their Walkmans while they are in the car because that time can be better spent getting connected with one another.

      People like you are the reason nearly everyone has has stories of fighting with their siblings. "Familiarity breeds contempt." dunno who said it, but your kids have been around each other for as long as the youngest in the relationship has been alive, and if they have to share a room then they'll probably be at each others' throats after the relationship is 5 years old. Headphones could be a break from each other. Sure, they'll grow out of it after one/all but one moves out, but until then you're just itching for your eardrums to be hammered with "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" ad infinium.

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    4. Re:Not all social interaction is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      On the other hand, the iPod might not be as bad as a walkman. iPods can create social situations.

      When I was thinking of buying an iPod, I would ask to inspect the iPods of people I barely knew. Slashdot recently ran a story about how random strangers in the street stop and briefly exchange earplug jacks on their iPods. The iPod has a sort of clique going for it where you're "in" if you carry one. This of course won't last as the market matures, but it does exist right now so it's too early to make any social conclusions like Professor iPod is doing.

      I decided against getting an iPod for exactly this reason: it would draw too much attention and create social situations I do not care for. I'm already forced to carry a pager, cell phone and PDA for work and adding another device would have drawn attention to me.

    5. Re:Not all social interaction is good by klang · · Score: 1

      Buying a pair of Sony EX70PL headphones. That will mask the fact that you have an iPod as well as keep noice out. It is actually possible to use theese ones on commercial airlines, without upping the volume to unreasonable levels. Perfect for that private space!

      When and if I dish out the equivalent of $400 + 25% in danish taxes, I woun't even unpack the white clique accepted headset supplied by apple..

    6. Re:Not all social interaction is good by Matthias+Wiesmann · · Score: 1

      I must agree on this, one of the places where I used my walkman (and subsequently my iPod) the most was the army. And, I was certainly not the only one, it helped isolate yourself a little bit during the rest periods.

    7. Re:Not all social interaction is good by aclarke · · Score: 1
      You're right. I once had a crazy woman pee on the floor right in front of me on a city bus. That was some social interaction I could have done without. Really.

      Had I had an iPod at the time, I'm sure it would have made the situation much more pleasant.

  25. Why question his credentials? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why are people suddenly questioning Professor iPod's, uh, I mean Dr Bull's credentials? I'm telling you, that guy is so misunderstood.

    Just let go of your suspicion and paranoia and put your trust in someone for a change. What's the worst that can happen?

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    1. Re:Why question his credentials? by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1

      Just let go of your suspicion and paranoia and put your trust in someone for a change. What's the worst that can happen?

      War?

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    2. Re:Why question his credentials? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

      I guessed you missed the point of the "So misunderstood" and "What's the worst that can happen" lines in my original post.

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  26. My iPod Prof by Tiro · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have to mention my great constitutional law professor who is extremely tech able and uses MP3/the internet to promote understanding of a part of the government that is not as understood as much as it is influential: the Supreme Court.

    This man has used computers to teach for a long time.. He used to make hypercard stacks with his students, to store key cases and biographical information of justices.

    More recently, he's made oyez.org, where users can listen to oral arguments on all these Supreme Court cases that get argued over on /.! Jerry Goldman got his picture in the NY Times holding his iPod, and he was thinking about its teaching potential way before it was the hip/ubiquitous gadget on campus.

    What a great guy. Best thing is, he sends out syllabi in PDF, unlike the idiot PhDs who use Word docs, which bothers me because I'm using an ancient linux laptop.

    1. Re:My iPod Prof by filmsmith · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the site! My dad is a lawyer and I love hearing him argue. Often times I'll play devil's advocate just to hear him put me in my place! Of course, sometime's he'll do the exact same thing with the same purpose in mind even if he doesn't believe what he's arguing in favor of.

      Tell your professor he's done a hell of a job and I admire his commitment to technology and the learning process and intend to max out my bandwidth (damn dialup!) downloading arguments!

      fs

  27. no kidding... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is this really interesting at all? how is this guy an expert.

    he tells us that personal stereo's allow ppl to create their "own worlds" and "give them control" -- no kidding.

    who didn't know this?

  28. Re:Batteries change too? by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Under normal use, the battery has no problems. Under heavy usage situations, battery life can decline (as is also the case with most phones, PDAs, laptops, and anything else with a non-replacable lithium battery). Apple offers a battery-replacement service for $99, or you can do it yourself for half the price. Battery replacement is also covered by AppleCare. I fail to see where this is an issue,unless you think that Apple should wave a magic wand and create a perfect battery, or that iPods should be enlarged to make rare battery replacements more convenient.

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  29. for those of you who are interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cultural Studies is very particular in the UK compared to the US version. Also Cultural Studies is more dominant than it's US counterpart.

    As a discipline it is well respected in it's theoretical break from English Literature. I.e. we can have TV and radio and internet. "Pop culture" not just shakespeare and opera of high brow snobbery. An interesting discipline to say the least. The problem that many slashdotters might have with it is that it is not "scientific" and is overly concerned with aesthetics rather than politics.

    This problem is solved, in part, but Media Studies which is in turn a break from Cultural Studies. Media Studies not only views the aesthetic and popular culture, it examines the way in which media operate as political constructs. It also doesn't deny the possibiliy of "research" and could best be described as Cultural Studies meets Sociology meets Politics. Politics is given preference over "art", because if art is political then one can't view it in the abstract right? So "media studies" isn't some weak Public Relations wannabe cop-out subject - it is the end-point of a massive evolution from English Literature to a more relevant and theoretically grounded area in which social research can be conducted, albeit with much time devoted to questions of research in and of itself (i.e. theory, qualitative and quantitative debates).

    In other words Media Studies is something worth checking out in the liberal arts because it encompasses philosophy, politics, pop culture and studies of power all inside a carefully crafted approach to pragmatic research.

    Notes on "philosophy" vs Media and Cultural Studies
    =====================
    You will find many high brow philosophy ppl looking down on cultural studies and criticising it. But the basic difference between the two that I will put here is --- philosophy assumes the operation of logic is "given" and aspires to "truth". Whereas cultural studies says there is language, but that language is inherently unstable and therefore we cannot rely on it as a 100% pure form of communication. Cultural Studies also critically reflects on what is considered "logic".

    In other words in philosophy some things are "out of bounds" and in Cultural Studies and Critical Theory they are not --- who then is being more intellectually rigorous? Also there is little to no teaching of 20th century "postmodernism" in Philosophy departments, whereas in Cultural Studies we welcome all of the philosphical tradition and there are no "right" answers to these debates (as they are ongoing debates, how could there be a right answer just yet - if ever).... Again, who is being more rigorous and who is excluding things?

    1. Re:for those of you who are interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A nice simplification from the parent. I agree, but I think philosophy needs more of a bashing than that.

      I once spoke to a Philosophy department professor and she came down on the side of language = stable truth. This is insane.

      Consider this; each unit of language (each word) is like a variable in programming and has a meaning assigned to it by the speaker. For example when I say "bitch" I have a concept of what bitch means in my head (my dictionary), but once it leaves my mouth the listeners interpret it according to their personal experience (their dictionary). Therefore "true" communication is not possible due to that fact we are working with different values for the variable. This does not mean that we can't pragmatically work towards meaning (that our definitions aren't similar, in the same ballpark) it just means that they are not exactly the same on each side of the communication.

      Another interesting point is that when you look up a word in the dictionary, you only find more words. There is never a single "meaning" to a word. You can't use a word to describe itself, only more words. Therefore it is impossible to arrive at "meaning" because there is always another word to look up. Bitch; aggressive female who threatens men. Look up aggressive. Aggressive; forthright and dominant. Look up dominant etc. etc. You never "arrive" like the philosophy people think you can.

      Philosophers say you there is "truth" outside of language. But language encompasses everything. One of the more interesing philosophers from the "philosophy" tradition is Wittgenstein. An interesting quote of his "Of that which we cannot speak we must, perforce, remain silent".

      In that, language IS the way in which we catergorise things. You can't escape language, if there is some experience outside of language you can't relate it to me except with the use of language. A paradox of sorts.

      A city in front of me only becomes a "city" when I call it that in my head, before such a time it is nothing. And we can break it down further to the "houses" that constitute the "city" and "bricks" of the "houses" etc. etc. It's all language and because that is the way our brains work (through catergories of language) the philosophers are merely idealists if they think they can escape to "truth". There is no ideal "city", "city" is a construct we put around a series of other variables. The network is the computer etc. etc.

      This is the reason Cultural Studies spends so much time on language. This is the reason it is more "rigorous" as you put it. This is the reason *hilosophy is dying.

      Philosophers, like a judge, would tell you what is right, and what is wrong. Ignoring the fact that sometimes, in the sphere of human meaning at least, two things can be right concurrently. George W Bush is evil for some, good for others - he is not absolutely one or another.

      Philosophers point to the fact you can't distinguish between good and evil as a flaw in this line of thinking. But that is not an arguement, it is merely a fear that good and evil may not exist. We leave the question open and thus are more radical thinkers in the end - in fact you might say that we are being more logical than they are through our criticism of "logic" itself.

    2. Re:for those of you who are interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry I have to give a few counter arguments, being one of the "philosophy ppl" myself.

      First, I think you have to admit that logic is a very essential part of the human mind. Without logic, there wouldn't be much of science at all.
      Of course, logic isn't the only fundamental part of our mind; but language for example has strong ties into logic.

      You are wrong, when you say that Philosophy doesn't critise or examine logic and its foundations. At my university (Bonn, Germany), we have a special philosophical department dealing with logic. Also the development of different logical systems shows that Philosophy is not bound to 'the one and only logic', as I read your comment.

      Also I don't think that some things are out of bounds in Philosophy. As a fact, Philosophy is the very one sience that has itself (as well as other siences) as a subject.
      You don't have much Biologists talking about the paradigm changes or the premises of natural siences, for example.

      Don't the Philosophy dept. at your university teach aesthetics?
      Maybe some profs from Cultural Studies should invite the Philosophy students to their lectures.

      I agree with you critising the lack of Postmodernism in Philosophy departments. This of course, changes from faculty to faculty, but I guess that it is underrepresented in the Anglo-American space. I guess this is true for German Philosophy faculties, too.

    3. Re:for those of you who are interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to agree that a lot of philosophy lectures are probably strong minded, tied into some movement, theory, or whatever.

      But I am shocked when I read the first paragraph of your comment. Those people should be fired, because they are no philosophers and seem to have no f*cking clue as to what Philosophy actually is.

      I guess I should perform some reality check real soon.

      BTW, you mentioning Wittgenstein: the later Wittgenstein (not the early one from whom's Tractatus you quoted) is even more interesting with regard to language. The early W. believes that there are facts 'out there' and that lingual (in a logical from) propositions can express these facts.
      The later W. pursues a 'game theory' of language and the meaning of words, like when you see a game you know that it is a game and you know when it is not. This is not accomplished by having a ready-made definition of game in your head but more by some kind of fuzzy logic (don't quote me here :-) ).

    4. Re:for those of you who are interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I swear to god post-modernism is so old. let it die already

      Weird for the sake of weird my ass....

      Later
      Chris

    5. Re:for those of you who are interested by paulmac84 · · Score: 1

      I took Media & Communications Studies as part of a Liberal Arts degree about 10 years ago. I never finished though, dropped out to go back to work. The college that I went to was one of the first in .ie to offer a course like this. At first I thought it was going to be an easy course to take. Something to bring my GPA up. It turned out to be the best and hardest course I took.

      It's a fascinating subject covering not just how something works, but why it works as well. It turned out that there was a lot more work involved and most of that work was research into the sociological effects of the various media (TV, film, radio, etc). Plus we got to play around in the colleges radio center and TV studio!

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    6. Re:for those of you who are interested by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Philosophy covers a huge range of ideas. The idea that you can sum up "what philosophers think" is, well, funny. There are famous philosophers that will strongly disagree with every sentence you attributed to philosophers.

      The idea of language having subjective meaning is not exactly exclusive to your "Cultural Studies" field. Philosophers do not have their heads entirely up their asses, you know?

    7. Re:for those of you who are interested by ostiguy · · Score: 1

      Dude, the problem is that an Ipod is a high tech walkman, which first came out over 20 years ago. At this point, thinking there is some profound social relevance about ipods is crazy.

      ostiguy

  30. Re:Batteries change too? by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess you must have been hiding out with Saddam Hussein since you missed the big flap over the iPod batteries.

    Basically it boils down to this: the iPod has a rechargable battery that lasts about a year. For some people, it lasts less, for others it lasts more. You can buy a replacement battery for between 50 and 100 dollars and either replace it yourself or have Apple do it for you.

    Some people (generally these are the usual Apple bashing crowd) are crying fowl. "How can the evil Apple empire get away with abusing its foolish customers!", they say. "Everyone should buy a Dell now!"

    Apple engineered the iPod this way to get the size down. Get over it.

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  31. Re:Batteries change too? by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are user-serviceable, but I am fairly sure that it voids your warranty, which is crap.

    If it's still under warranty, you should get the battery replaced for free under the warranty, and save yourself the $50 it costs for a new battery. If the warranty has expired, then it's a non-issue.

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  32. Dr. Bull's earlier work gives me doubts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd check out his seminal 8-Track: A New Social Order before jumping to conclusions.

  33. This is lame by soft_guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as "social isolation" goes, the iPod is not really any different than any other personal stereo device made in the past 20 years. Long before I had an iPod, I had a personal cassette player, a personal radio, a personal CD player, and yes, even a Rio 500. The iPod is better in the sense that it stores my entire CD collection. That fact sells iPods, but doesn't change the social relationship of the device.

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    1. Re:This is lame by borkus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As far as being able to listen to music in any environment, I'd agree that the iPod is no different from a portable CD player or radio. What's different is that a moderate sized collection lets you pick the music for your down to the song. Obviously, radio gives you very little choice. I can choose what cassette or CD to put into my player, but again, my options are limited; for a commercialy made recording, I can only choose which one to play. If I make my own mix CD or cassette, I can create a specific playlist, but just that.

      Once you get into gigabytes of storage, you have far more options. I can pick a series of reggae and jazz tunes for my drive to work. Or I can pick pop songs from when I was in high school as I work. Or if I feel like strolling down the street to my own personal mix of death metal, polka and Tahitian rhythms, I can do that.

      While any portable jukebox will give you that ability to some extent, the iPod does two things very well in that regard - smart playlists and the 'on the go' playlist. I use smart playlists to play songs I haven't heard in 60 days. Or, if I want a series of songs, I can pick and choose on the fly from the 5,000 or so that I currently have on my iPod. Initially, I thought the storage for the iPod would just be a convenience - no more carting around CD cases. However, having any song that I own available to me at the twirl of my thumb is even better than I thought.

  34. Cranial nerve 8 by Thinkit4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not really personal now. I want a direct link into cranial nerve 8, the vestibulocochlear nerve!

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    1. Re:Cranial nerve 8 by jared_hanson · · Score: 1, Funny

      You've got serious problems.

      Before you suggest anything else you want attached to your crainum, I suggest some electro-shock therapy, applied directy to the brain.

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      -- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
    2. Re:Cranial nerve 8 by monkeyhouse · · Score: 1

      And, as Dave Barry would point out, this would be a great name for a rock band.

  35. Re:Batteries change too? by Trillan · · Score: 1

    Depends on how you cycle them. Basically, the controversy was the first wave of battery failures caused by those who bought theirs when they were first offered and weren't careful. That was (approximately) two years ago.

    So, figure 2 years if you're not careful, probably 3-4 if you are.

  36. $400 is too much for a personal stereo by Simonetta · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    Last week at BestBuy I found a CD player for $20.00 that reads MP3 files on CD-Rs and CD-RWs.

    I got one and it plays my 15 cent CD-Rs with ten hours of music just fine. (although slow to start MP3 disks).

    I had to replace to weird AC adapter connector though, because it was impossible to find a cheap AC adapter that fit the custom connector on it.

    1. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Bombcar · · Score: 4, Funny

      And according to Penny Arcade, you don't have to worry about yours skipping, either.

    2. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by btlzu2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good for you! However, I've got 4000 CD quality songs on my 4.1 x 2.4 x .62" iPod with tracking of my favorite songs, play counts, custom playlists without re-burning CDs. It works WAY better for my needs than your CD MP3 player, so $400 is not too much for all those functions. If you want to bring all your contacts with you and transfer files between sites using firewire or USB 2.0, there's even more reason.

      It's always a favorite thing of anti-iPod folks to say that it's only a "personal radio", but you sound like my Dad bitching at me when I was 15 for liking that "new-fangled acid rock". A bit outta touch....

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      Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.
    3. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      But can you fit your entire collection into your pocket and take it with you to call up on demand any time anywhere?

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      World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
    4. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My earphones take up more space than my mp3 cd player. Sure, the ipod would be nice and fit in my pocket, but I'd still need to carry my big headphones since earbuds just don't sound very good.

    5. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      But you can wrap headphones arround your neck. Unless you have a carrying strap, that probably wouldn't work as well for the CD player.

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      T Money
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    6. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But can you fit your entire collection into your pocket and take it with you to call up on demand any time anywhere?

      Well, so far no device on the market can fit my entire (mp3) collection; iPod being no exception here.

    7. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Yet another person who's not going to buy an iPod.

      You have the rest of us confused with people who care.

      You're not going to buy an iPod, and you think they're too expensive. Thanks for sharing. Nobody cares.

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    8. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Graff · · Score: 1
      And according to Penny Arcade, you don't have to worry about yours skipping, either.

      Also according to Penny Arcade iTunes is very very tempting...
    9. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Bombcar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      According to Me, expert on the world, iTunes burns CDs just fine.

      Though, to tell the truth, iWouldn't mind an iPod at all. But iDo mind forking out so much of my money. But if anyone wants to give me one, just let me know........

      (Why oh why won't Apple give free ones to the Apple Developer subscribers?)

    10. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Graff · · Score: 1
      iWouldn't mind an iPod at all. But iDo mind forking out so much of my money.

      I've heard that a lot of places are selling the 3rd generation, 10 gig iPods for $150. That's a pretty good deal, it's probably within striking range of most people.
      (Why oh why won't Apple give free ones to the Apple Developer subscribers?)

      There's always your hardware discount! I signed up for the Apple Student Developer Program recently. It cost me $100 for a year subscription. I got a free copy of Mac OS X 10.3, the monthly mailings, a bunch of promotional stuff, and a one-time 20% discount on hardware.

      I saved like $600 on my G5 through the program, between all of the stuff I got I figure I got like $800 worth of stuff for my $100 membership. Not a bad deal at all. Apple treats its developers pretty well.
    11. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by a1cypher · · Score: 1

      Actually, I bought a cd mp3 player back in 2000. It set me back a good $200 at the time, but I have yet to find a better player.

      It plays cd-r as well as cd-rw's and has all the features (and more) that many solid state players have. For instance, you can construct playlists and it will also read playlists from winamp. It has a handy resume feature that will remember up to 20 discs so you can swap discs and it will pick up with the same settings, track, and track time that you had when you pulled the disc out.
      It has very decent 45seccond anti-skip that works great for most all of my purposes.

      Finally, the best thing that I found about it is the fact that it is very customizable. You can change all kinds of settings like the delay on the backlight for the screen, sleep timer, custom equalizers, digital volume increments, etc.. Which all came in a firmware update a while back. You can even change the buffer if you like from a 30s to 60s.

      This little machine has served me very well and as I said earlier, I have yet to find a machine that will surpass it. The only reason I could see of having anything else is if you needed like a 40gb ipod. But really, who listens to that many songs in their rotation? I burn three or four cd-rw's with 400 songs each and I am set.

    12. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Patik · · Score: 1
      That's fantastic. Have fun juggling your "portable" collection of the player and a binder of loose discs. Have fun stopping the music and swapping discs just to hear a new song. Too bad you also can't make mixes when you're not at your PC, and it's nearly impossible to handle a large collection of music when artists' albums are spread out all over and you can't remember which mix it was that you really really liked. Let me know when that 15 cents per hour of mixes starts to add up, or when you're fresh out of CDRs and you really wanted to listen to that new album on the way to work.

      So you paid $20, huh? Guess you get what you pay for.

    13. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by btlzu2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But really, who listens to that many songs in their rotation? I burn three or four cd-rw's with 400 songs each and I am set.

      Me. I REALLY REALLY love music. It is #2 next to breathing on my priority list. I never know what I'll want to listen to and CDs are major, hassling, inconvenient, bulky, old hat now after seeing the light. I can listen to anything in my collection, any time I want, wherever I want, whenever I want.

      I'm not saying that's for everyone, but for a HUGE music fan, it's gotta say something. It's a matter of degrees of music obsession perhaps.

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      Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.
    14. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me know when that 15 cents per hour of mixes starts to add up

      On that 15 cent cd he gets _10_ hours of music... which is a mere 1.5 cents per hour. How long would that take to add up?

    15. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yet another person who's not going to respect others' opinions.

      You have the rest of us confused with mindless sheep who somehow want you to explain our apathy to the grandparent poster.

      You're not going to stop running your mouth, and you think you're actually being useful. Thanks for sharing. You're an asswipe, and nobody cares.

    16. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And nobody cares that you say nobody cares. So there. I'll just continue my bitching--undaunted.

      I fart in your general direction! :P

    17. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by DarkManaX · · Score: 1

      Yeah, hey, whatever. Good job spending money on something that can get stolen and leave you out $400. If my mp3-cd player gets stolen, along with my mp3's AND case, I'm out all of...

      Let's do the math! (With generous, conversative figures)

      player Media Case
      ($30 + $2 + $10) = $42

      400/42 = .105 = 11% of the loss you'd experience. Oh, and I usually group songs by mood anyways, so the "juggling" aspect you speak of just isn't there. Enjoy your wasted investment, chump.

      oh, and 15 cents an hour? No, no.. more like 15 cents for 15 hours. Try again when you grow grey matter; until then, stick your Apple in your mouth and shut up.

    18. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but can your $400 iPod play back an album like Dark Side of the Moon, gapless? You should have gotten a Rio Karma, if you were a real audio nerd. iPod is all about image, not about the music.

    19. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by btlzu2 · · Score: 1

      I find that to be an extremely minor nuisance compared to the quality of the device. I had a Rio (not a karma) a couple years ago and decided never to buy one again--low quality device, poor sounding crap. Maybe the Karma is good, but it would have to be DAMN good to wash the nasty taste outta my mouth and outshine the iPod. If you knew me, you'd know I despise "image". This is purely a quality call for me.

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    20. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      The parent is more or less right. $400 IS a lot to spend for just a personal stereo. Now...$400 is NOT too much to spend for a portable hard drive which you can use for file transfer, music, storage, contact lists, etc, etc, etc.

      But if all you want to do is listen to a little music...$400 is a lot of clams.

    21. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by horigath · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, quite easily.

      1. Put the album into your computer.

      2. Select all of the tracks.

      3. Go to the advanced menu.

      4. Select "Join CD Tracks."

      5. Rip and transfer to iPod.

      This is, for example, how I am able to listen to King Crimson's "Lizard" in it's proper form on my iPod.

    22. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah?? Well, just wait until you have to replace the rotor on the spindle! Then we'll see who's Mr. Hotshot Fancy Pants!

    23. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, I've got 4000 CD quality songs on my 4.1 x 2.4 x .62" iPod with tracking of my favorite songs, play counts, custom playlists without re-burning CDs.

      Your point is interesting, but the cost issue still is most important for me.

      The MP3 CD player is about three times larger than the iPod, still small but not shirt pocket size. The internal media storage of the iPod is a real plus, but storing 4000 songs on DVD-ROM takes only five disks. Assuming about five megabytes per song, it is about 28 CDs (a quarter stack). Larger, but still not an overwhelming issue.
      But the cost of the stereo and the media is really different for the same functionality. 28 CDRs at 14 cents each is about $4 US and the CD stereo is $20. $400 vs. $24 for a package that is about four times as large. And 52x CD burners going for $40 meets the advantages of FireWire and USB2. Plus CDs are the universal media. Everybody will be able to read them with their computer.
      There still are real advantages to having a stereo and complete music collection in the size of a pack of cigarettes or cell phone. But in five years, iPod clones will be selling for $20, the Apple units won't be collectable, Apple will stop supporting them, batteries will be unavailable, and something else really expensive will be cool.

    24. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Patik · · Score: 1
      Good job spending money on something that can get stolen and leave you out $400
      It's kind of hard for something to be stolen when it resides in my front pocket. Unlike a CD/MP3CD player I don't have to hold it in my hand or set it down anywhere.
      Oh, and I usually group songs by mood anyways
      Hope you had fun shuffling all those files around and reburning CDRs whenever you change your mind. My songs don't really have a location, so I can "move" them to wherever I'd like. And it takes about ten seconds.
    25. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your comment about the disadvantages of using a CD player as a personal stereo are true and poignant. However, your argument that a $400 iPod is inherently superior than a $20 CD player with a mini CD stack is dependent on the unspoken assumption that there is an extra $400 to spend on a personal stereo.

      If there is, then, yes, your reasoning trumps mine. But if all you have is $20 for a personal stereo, then having a CD player is far better than having no iPod.

      The iPod is the latest of the Steve Jobs lifestyle accessories collection. Which is cool if you're a billlonaire who loves toys. Unfortunately Mr. Jobs fails to realize the extent that his presence in the media extolling cool toys that make him a ton of money is really getting irritating to all the rest of us on Planet Techno.
      We tolerate him because we know that he's more often right, AND his toys will be available in a few years at a small fraction of the Jobs price.

    26. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does that make one big giant track? If so, that must suck if it shows up in a random shuffle of all tracks. I sometimes like to hear Pink Floyd in the regular shuffled mix of everything. Sounds like you would have to rip everything twice to do what I can do with my Karma.

    27. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you're comparing new-in-the-box prices.

      Some of us get our 'deals' by paying 10 cents on a dollar and settling for gear that's 2 or so years old.

      I saved like $6000 that way by buying my Beige G3 and Powerbook at an auction for under $20 each.

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    28. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      Also, with a CDR based player (I have a Rio Volt) you can double the capacity of your player for a few bucks using CDRs. I can get 7 gigs of MP3s on ten CDR disks for what? Three bucks or so? And I can spend 5 or ten bucks and get a nice wallet to carry the disks in.

      Size is an issue for some uses, but not for me.

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    29. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Endive4Ever · · Score: 2

      Just a correction I think is worth making:

      A really HUGE music fan doesn't sit there and dote over a little thing the size of a cigarette pack that plays back recordings of music.

      A HUGE music fan is out in the streets, at concert venues, clubs, perhaps even picking up an instrument and playing some him/herself.

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    30. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Informative

      How'd you replace the AC adaptor?

      I really kluged it. The adaptor plug from the outside looks the same as the ones on a Walkman, but after getting it home I found that the standard Walkman plug won't fit onto this power jack in the CD player. "Shit, chumped again," thought I. "A proprietary jack to make everyone buy a $25 AC adaptor for a $20 CD player."

      I carefully opened the unit and mapped the connections with an DVM ohmmeter. Then I desoldered the connector, attached three wires to the now-empty holes on the circuit board, reassembled the unit, and soldered a standard mini power-jack to the wires. Then I used hot glue to attach the new AC jack to the side of the CD player. It worked, to my relief.

      Then I got an automobile cigarette lighter plug and installed an LM317 adjustable voltage regulator chip in it that was adjusted (with two resistors) to +6 Volts (what the CD player requires). Then I spray painted a set of good headphones to be the same color as my hair so the cops won't notice that I'm wearing them and give me a big honking ticket.

      Result: $25 car stereo with ten hours of music on each 14 cent CDr. I know I'm really cheap and sleazy, but what can I do?

    31. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Lars+T. · · Score: 4, Funny

      Me, I'm not going anywhere without my portable gramophone.

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    32. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Graff · · Score: 1
      Some of us get our 'deals' by paying 10 cents on a dollar and settling for gear that's 2 or so years old.

      Hey, whatever works for you. Unless you run the latest gee-wiz-bang 3d action games those 2 year old Macs will do the job without a hitch, that's for sure. I went for the G5 because I happened to have some cash saved up and I managed to get rid of my old Mac for a decent amount which helped to cover the cost. Combine that with the developer savings and it was perfect.

      You can definitely get some good deals on perfectly useful Mac equipment if you shop around. $20 each for a G3 and a Powerbook sounds like a steal to me.
    33. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Simonetta · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yet another person who's not going to buy an iPod.

      Not exactly.

      It's more Yet another person who's not going to buy an iPod but is going to get all the function and utility of the iPod experience and is willing to share the technical tips on how to do it to anyone who is interested.

      "...Nobody cares..."

      Not exactly correct there either. Millions of people who would buy an iPod if they weren't so expensive care. And they are willing to trade time to learn about the less costly alternatives, AND they are willing to give lots of money to the people who both provide them with alternatives and provide them with the information that they need to chose the one alternative to the iPod that is best for them.

      Steven Jobs brought us the Mac computer. But it was just too expensive. Bill Gates created a inexpensive alternative and all the 'nobody cares' people made him the richest person on the planet.

    34. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Patik · · Score: 1

      As a college student, buying an iPod was a financial strain. I just found it to be overwhelmingly worth the cost since I use it so much (I previously had a big clunky Nomad Jukebox so I knew I would use an MP3 player a lot if only it were small and had good battery life and a faster UI).

    35. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "buy an MP3 CD player" is not a brilliant technical insight there, Sparky.

      Millions of people HAVE bought iPods, and think they're worth every penny. You have a different opinion, and that's just dandy. It's just not an opinion that is of any value or insight to anybody else.

      I'd rather be Steve Jobs than Bill Gates any day. Both of them are megalomaniacal freaks, but at least Jobs' design philosophy makes products people actually enjoy using.

      Richest man in the world? Sure, that'd be great, but not if I had to sell my integrity to do it. That's what Gates has done, time and again. I wouldn't make the same choices he did.

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    36. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Screw that newfangled gramophone crap. Real men store music on metal cylinders.

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    37. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by shepd · · Score: 1

      >I never know what I'll want to listen to and CDs are major, hassling, inconvenient, bulky, old hat now after seeing the light. I can listen to anything in my collection, any time I want, wherever I want, whenever I want.

      That's why I sort my CDs by type, rather than alphabetically. Seems you do the same on your iPod. :-)

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    38. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by soft_guy · · Score: 0

      You sound like an idiot.

      I had a Rio 500 and it sucked. On the other hand, I've never bought a bad product from Apple. My iPod is great.

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    39. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by shepd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Okay, here's the list of benefits for an iPod (correct me on what I miss):

      - Lots of music in one place, at your fingertips
      - "Mix" on the fly
      - Use it as a portable hard disk
      - Some PDA functionality
      - Good battery life
      - Not much skipping
      - Fast file transfer on a new PC
      - Files can be transferred on anything with USB or Firewire
      - iTunes compatible

      And the list of non-plusses:

      - If charged daily, $99 yearly battery replacement fee
      - Battery replacement takes longer than one day.
      - Storace space cannot be increased through standard methods.
      - When the battery goes flat, you have to charge it.
      - Also, when the battery is flat, the units data contents are not-transferrable
      - Cannot use iPod's music (or data) with anything that doesn't have a USB or Firewire port.
      - High initial MSRP cost.
      - Cannot play music bought at record store without intermediate steps
      - Cannot play your friend's CDs without intermediate steps
      - Data format not car stereo compatible

      Benefits of a CD/MP3 player:

      - Low initial MSRP cost.
      - Infinite storage space
      - Can mix data and music
      - Can reload with fresh batteries if ones in unit die
      - Fresh batteries are available anywhere, anytime and take under 10 seconds to replace
      - Choice of rechargeable or non-rechargeable batteries
      - Files can be transferred to anything with a CD player
      - Fast file transfer with any age of computer
      - Does not require batteries to transfer data
      - Can play back music on many DVD players
      - iTunes compatible (if using recoded CD)
      - Can play music bought at record store instantly
      - Can play your Friend's CDs instantly
      - Data format car stereo compatible

      Lowlights of a CD/MP3 player:

      - Cannot remix between discs
      - Requires charging more often when using rechargeable batteries
      - Bulky
      - Not compatible with anything lacking a DVD or CD-ROM.
      - Lacks PDA capabilities
      - Older units had skipping problems
      - Slow seek times

      As you can see, there's strong points on both sides of the debate. As you can imagine, being a car stereo owner, I have a CD/MP3 player.

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    40. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by fyonn · · Score: 1

      But really, who listens to that many songs in their rotation?

      it's not about listening to that many songs at once, but having the ability when on the road to change your mind about what you want to listen to and not to have to decide up front that today is "acid jazz" day :)

      dave

    41. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by faaaz · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow, thanks. Now when I need to know how to enjoy music I'll come to you.

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    42. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically your are a cheap bastard? Hope your future wife doesn't mind that fake Cracker Jack ring.

    43. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by h0mer · · Score: 1

      Then I spray painted a set of good headphones to be the same color as my hair so the cops won't notice that I'm wearing them and give me a big honking ticket.

      I hope you're talking about riding a bike. Otherwise, turn that shit off so you can hear my horn.

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    44. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by awl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you are mistaking Bill Gates for somebody else - Microsoft never designed a computer yet. IBM invented what is now called a PC, and it was made affordable by various clone makers who ripped off the IBM design.

      Microsoft's contribution was to sell an OS they didn't own to IBM, and then buy the OS from the owners without telling them about the IBM deal.

    45. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by CuriHP · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All right, I've gotten sucked into this pointless argument.

      Absolutely anything can be stolen. Do you always buy the crappiest bike or car because "it can be stolen"? Crappiest TV and stereo? I suppose if all your belongings have as little value as possible then that may mitigate the likelyhood of thievery.

      What was my point? Oh yeah. Anything can be stolen. You're better off worrying about securing what you have, than trying to make your possesions unappealing to potential thieves. I could steal your house with the proper equipment and motivation.

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    46. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      But that fan has to pay the bills, and commute to the place he or she works to pay the bills. Some of us have families. In some cases, we even have to walk the dog each day.

      The normal day-to-day facts of life family and home act as obstacles to the items you list above. Once out of college and into "the real world," we have to be much more choosy about the venues we visit and when we find the time to visit.

      I have 30% of my CD collection on my iPod, adding more each day, am finally converting my vinyl and cassette to CD and mp3, and I like having said collection at my fingertips when I am doing what has to be done, thankyouverymuch.

    47. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Right, going into a crappy club with horrible acoustics is much better than listening to a recording. I've seen many more live shows that sounded like crap than sounded great. Give me a well produced clean recording any day.

      Perhaps the huge music fan picked up an instrument and found he/she had no talent.

      Basically, your correction is incorrect.

    48. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by filmsmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      But in five years, iPod clones will be selling for $20, the Apple units won't be collectable, Apple will stop supporting them, batteries will be unavailable, and something else really expensive will be cool.

      Perhaps, but until then, I, and the parent, will be able to cart around our music in our shirt pockets and flip through our libraries with greater ease than you and your 28 CD's. And that, to me, is worth the $400.

      Please note that I, like the parent, admire that you found a solution that works for you and am just pointing out (more) advantages to our position. Hell, my best friend still has a $2 (maybe not that cheap, but cheap) CD player that he connects to his car stereo with a tape adapter and he's got over 400 CDs.

      I find it interesting that you mention CD's being universal media as though the iPod uses specialized equipment to output it's music. They do, after all, have universal headphone jacks! ...I know, the comment was more about Firewire and USB, but it still struck me as interesting.

      fs

    49. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by filmsmith · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right. That is one of the disadvantages of the iPod. I like having my Floyd show up in the occasional shuffle of all songs, but I also like it as one continuous track sometimes.

      As such, the easiest solution is to turn shuffle off (or to turn on Shuffle by Album) when listening to some Floyd and put it back on Shuffle by Song for the general mix. I sometimes wish it'd be easier to switch my shuffle preference, but there's enough buttons on there as it is.

      All in all, it's just one of the minor inconveniences I have while being able to carry around all of my 6 Floyd albums with about 3200 other songs.

      fs

      p.s. I should also point out that there's about a half a second break between tracks and, while it's unnoticable most of the time, it really breaks up the flow of Ummagumma! It'd be nice if the iPod could crossfade between tracks like iTunes.

    50. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by filmsmith · · Score: 1

      Shame on me. I did a quick mental estimation as to my number of Pink Floyd songs and miscounted. That should say 10 Floyd albums.

      fs

    51. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Eraser_ · · Score: 1

      Being a car stereo owner, I have an iPod and a 8 year old Sony discman cd-to-tape adapter. It is actually just a 1/8" mini to tape adapter. I have been happily using this for about 8 months now. Shoulda seen the funny looks I got when shopping for a car with these specifications:

      -5-speed manual
      -room for my height
      -tape deck
      -non-asshole headlights (those overly bright headlights, not high beams)
      -"A trunk for 2" (bodies)

      Most of the dealers laughed at my trunk for 2 option, but were utterly confused when I would negate a car because it had a CD player. They kept trying to upsell to that, I had to explain to them time and time again that a CD player would be wrong for me since I have a tape adapter for my iPod.

      Oh, and after a year and a half of ownership, I still get roughly 6-8 hours playtime, depending on how much skipping around I do. My laptop also still gets close to the reccomedned charge. All it takes is planning ahead. Sure sometimes you wind up with having to charge a battery thats at 50%, but there are ways to get around it.

    52. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by shepd · · Score: 3, Informative

      >Being a car stereo owner, I have an iPod and a 8 year old Sony discman cd-to-tape adapter

      Hey, if it works for you, that's great. However, I'm enjoying the 12 - 20 kHz frequency range too much to give it up for tape warble. ;-)

      The best bet, for such things, is to get ahold of a stereo with either AUX in (easiest) or CD-Changer in (harder, but often doable). That way you don't get any more loss than what's already present from the compressed music file.

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    53. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by cens0r · · Score: 1

      you're a college student and you're worried about the bulk of your nomad? When I was in college I carried my backpack everywhere I went. Size would have been a non-issue. Even now that's mainly the case, I carry a man bag everywhere i go.

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    54. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, Those dealers weren't laughing at your trunk for 2 option. They were laghing at you, because you sound like an idiot. Two things to keep in mind, they've heard stupid comments like that before and they are trying to sell you a car.

    55. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by elemental23 · · Score: 1

      And the list of [iPod] non-plusses:

      - Data format not car stereo compatible


      Sure it is, if your car stereo has an auxiliary input jack (think CD changer jack). I decided against getting a CD changer in my new car in favor of buying an iPod and an adapter so I can plug it in. It holds way more music than a CD changer and I can take it with me.

      Benefits of a CD/MP3 player:

      - Data format car stereo compatible


      Only if you're talking about regular audio CDs. MP3 CDs in a portable player are exactly as car stereo compatible as an iPod.

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    56. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Inherently superior? Surely not. Has a lot of advantages, that make people who spent the money feel like it was worthwhile? Arguably, yes.

      The iPod isn't competing against your $20 CD player. They are after different segments of the market. To pretend otherwise is just silly.

      I guaran-damn-tee you that fewer people lust over an Audiophase CD player than an iPod.

      Steve Jobs might irritate you, because you don't think his stuff is of sufficient value to pay for it. That's cool. But, for those of us who ARE willing to spend money on good design and engineering, we say "Go Steve go!"

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    57. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Patik · · Score: 1

      You can't control a player that's in your backpack. Besides, I use it at other times, like while I'm at the gym or while I'm walking to work (and don't have a backpack). Then there's shoveling snow or mowing the lawn, riding a bike, etc. I don't carry a bag unless I'm going to class.

    58. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by cens0r · · Score: 1

      I'll give you the shoveling snow, excercising, etc. Of course that's whay my nomad II is for. But as to controlling the thing in your backpack, that's why you get a wired remote. Did the nomad jukebox not have one? That's something that's really impressed me about my iRiver player. It's got a great remote so that I can keep the thing in my backpack.

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    59. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Patik · · Score: 1

      You don't have the option of looking at the screen that way. I haven't used my iPod remote at all (and no, the Nomad didn't have one). The headphone cord is already long enough, plus sometimes I jump to a different album or playlist, and you can't really do that with a remote.

    60. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Thank you for using "loose" correctly. Gold star, buddy. : )

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    61. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Blinkslowly · · Score: 1

      Do any /.ers know if a portable gramaphone was ever created?

    62. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Define portable. The last one on that page looks less wide than a CD-player (only about 10 cm / 4" wide) - though you probably can't jog with it.

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    63. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by Eraser_ · · Score: 1

      While the hiss I get from the cassette is annoying, I'm in my not-that-soundproofed car. The hum of the road kills off anything I'm chopping off using a tape.

      My main reason for suggesting the tape adapter is in response to the person who had the cd/mp3 player for $20. This is a portable unit, etc. I have been waiting until I have the time and energy to tear open my dash to install an AUX/cd-in to mini adapter . This is my ideal solution. If I were using the ipod in a sort of "home theatre" or stereo situation, I would not hesitate to hook it into a RCA stereo IN port.

    64. Re:$400 is too much for a personal stereo by javaxman · · Score: 1

      It's only too much if you don't have the money.

      If you do have the money, the convenience of the iPod is worth it.

      I know because I don't have the money, thus have to bother with switching out my MP3 CD from my car every couple of weeks because I'm bored stiff of my 10 hour collection. I work with a few folks who have iPods, and they don't think about stuff like which songs they'll listen to this week- they just have *all* of their music, *all* of the time...

  37. Re:Batteries change too? by arch_helmet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    iPod's battery isn't user-serviceable if you want to keep your warranty.

    Even worse, originally they wanted to charge like $250 to replace it...ie, iPod is disposable, because for $250 (in 18 months time, when the battery dies) you can get a better iPod with a new battery. See here for more. (WMA movie [sorry] + link to text info)

    It's only the result of immense public pressure and a load of lawsuits that have made Apple change their stance and give us a $99 replacement service.

    I have an iPod myself and it gets 2-5 hours of use a day (at work mostly) and I'm pretty worried about the battery - Aus$670 is a lot of money for us students.

    Don't get me wrong, it's totally sweet to use and it has changed the way I listen to music (of course, don't trust me, I'm hardly Dr. iPod), but if I'm paying US$99 to get the battery changed in 18 months I will be mighty pissed.

    ~ Tim

  38. Re:Batteries change too? by Senjutsu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    iPod's battery isn't user-serviceable if you want to keep your warranty.

    If it's under warranty, the battery replacement is free, so why would you want to crack it open yourself, anyways?

  39. seeing the future by abe+ferlman · · Score: 2, Funny

    I recall that the big selling point of slashdot subscriptions was that you got to see articles before they were posted to the public.

    Looks like I got the same deal with my Wired subscription!

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  40. Re:Batteries change too? by arch_helmet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hmm. Good point. I have to admit I didn't think about that. That said, if yours and Apple's definition of "dead battery" is different, you may have trouble. Also, if my battery is dead after 13 months (I bought mine before the extended warranty program), I still won't be happy. Point taken however.

  41. Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by frumin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please enlighten me, what's so different between an iPod and Discman, MD player or a shitty RCA mp3 player from RadioShak ? We get all those articles about how iPod changes social relationships and such. Take the article about some people plugging their headphones into other people's iPods. What is so different about iPod that it deserves that much attention and an article ? I am sure many people did that before iPod, in the era of MD player and Discman. Now this article. What is the point here ? That iPod is somehow special and turns people into musicheads ? How is that different than me listening to $10 AM/FM radio on the bus ? Bullshit I say.

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    1. Re:Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by eyegor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      CD or Flash-based MP3 Player:
      Because I can carry about 2500 songs that *I* like on a very nicely designed device.

      FM:
      Because I don't have to listen to idiotic DJ's or pay lots of bucks every month for Pay Radio.

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    2. Re:Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by frumin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Different in a sense that people don't write about articles about Dell DJ or Panasonic CD/mp3 player and how it changes social behavior.

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    3. Re:Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by MoneyT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well as for the one article you mentioned, people didn't do that often and certainly not with strangers before the iPod. Status symbol or not, the iPod creates a sense of comunity because it's easily recognizeable. You have instant common ground with a stranger now. I think that's what it's about. We see people all day long with headphones pluged in, but 90% of the time, you couldn't identify what device they were using or who made it. The iPod is very recognizeable and I think that changes something.

      Call it eliteism or call it snobishness, but Apple products create their own community. I can sit in the lounge of the local colleges student center and sniff out AIM traffic all day and randomly send people IMs, but I don't. Yet when I see another user on a powerbook, the first thing I do is check Rendezvous to see if they're on. It's all about common ground and comunity.

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    4. Re:Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by bogie · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Because I can carry about 2500 songs that *I* like on a very nicely designed device."

      Big deal. My walkman was nicely designed at the time and played music that I liked. We old timers used to even make our own mixes! The only difference that makes the ipod noteworthy is the capacity. Beyond that its just another stepping stone in portable music.

      The parent was right. Talking about Ipod as a device that has created some sort of huge social impact is a load of shit. Sorry I'm not 15 and more impressed.

      People get over it already. Its a portable music device. We've been using them in one form or another for the last 25 years.

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    5. Re:Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by PressReturn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. I spent the first 2.5 years of college walking around with a bulky VAIO laptop. I == that geeky girl in the corner.

      I got a powerbook over intercession, and during the last 2 months, and now I have the boy with the iPod in his pocket, the girl with an iMac in her dorm room, and everyone who just naturally gravitates to shiny objects coming over and taking a peek and saying something to me.

      The fact that the iPod is so damn small also adds to the personal space effect - its physically unobtrusive Rather than clunking around with cargo pockets full of cds, batteries, and your diskman, you're just walking around with your own personal soundtrack playing in your head.

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    6. Re:Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by Riktov · · Score: 1

      The fact that the iPod is so damn small also adds to the personal space effect - its physically unobtrusive

      Funny, every time I see an iPod, I'm struck by how big and bulky they are, compared to an MD player.

    7. Re:Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by ostiguy · · Score: 1

      PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO IPODS/WALKMEN ON SUBWAYS....

      DRUM ROLL PLEASE..... ...DO NOT TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE ON THE SUBWAY.

      THERE IS NO COMMUNITY HERE. MOVE ALONG PLEASE.

      the fact that nerds talk about them online is no different from any other piece of hardware today.

      ostiguy is waiting for a good HDD mp3 playing solution that i can dump digital photos to.

    8. Re:Ding, ding ! - goes off bullshit detector by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      Try again. The point that I was making is that pepople with iPods are more likely to start talking to each other because they have common ground. That is in and of itself a sense of community. Whether they do it on a regular basis or on your particular subway is irelevant. The fact that they are more prone to do so and do it at a greater frequency than normaly observed makes a level of comunity.

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      T Money
      World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
  42. It can turn itself off! by Riktov · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bull: Right. In terms of usage, Apple got it intuitively right. People use (the iPod) as an alarm clock, and when they listen to it at night, they like the fact it can turn itself off...

    My God, those Apple engineers are geniuses!

    Let's see, I don't have an iPod, but my portable MD player can turn itself off. My $30 cassette player can turn itself off. The Sony radio-cassette player we had in our house thirty years ago could turn itself off.

    In fact, that old Sony could even turn the radio off. With a tape playing, you could turn the radio on (which would override the sound from the tape), and when it got to the end of the tape, both the tape and the radio would shut off.

    1. Re:It can turn itself off! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But waiting for your 10GB mp3 collection stored on the IPOD to end, would take some more time than a tape I guess.

      Thus to say: you missed the point.

  43. Casual use by casual music fans by 7759-60784-1-E · · Score: 3, Interesting
    For example, a lot of people use it to go to work, for commuting. I found that they use the same music on a regular basis. They will often play the same half-dozen tunes for three months

    I find this completely inane. Why would people buy such an expensive device if they're only going to listen to the same 6 songs over the course of 3 months? Maybe it's a little more confusing as a musician and serious music listener. Personally I have a 40gb mp3 player, over 30 of those gigs taken up. I would go insane if my options were limited even in the slightest.

    1. Re:Casual use by casual music fans by Selecter · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Theres a lot more people out there like that than you think. They really arent listening to the the music, it's just background noise to them, like white noise only better.

      I cant stand the country music stations of today for the same reason. They play a 20 song playlist over and over for sometimes 4 or 5 years. Only if a song breaks big or the star is big enough to have a payola racket going do they break that list.

      I'm like you - when I listen to music, I do it all the way.

    2. Re:Casual use by casual music fans by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The most use that my iPod gets is playing a 48 minute playlist that I use for cycling. It's the same songs every time. There's a 45 second track at the beginning to give me time to get up on my bike, a 1 minute song near the end by NoFX to keep my RPMs high in my final sprint, and the song 'Sci-Fi Wasabi' by Cibbo Matto at the end for me to cool down with. I ride 3 - 5 times a week. It's important for me to listen to the same music every time.

      That said, whenever I'm not cycling, I've got my playlist on random (actually, I've got a playlist of my least played songs rated 3 - 5 that's on random). I've got an iTrip, so I listen to it on the weekends when I drive around doing errands.

      But anyway, there's lots of reasons to listen to a limited playlist.

    3. Re:Casual use by casual music fans by 7759-60784-1-E · · Score: 1

      My problem isn't with small playlists. I use them all the time. My problem is that these people have an mp3 player that costs hundreds of dollars and can hold 10, 20, even 40 gbs- and they only put 6 songs on the freaking thing. Even at a ridiculously high bitrate that's a miniscule fraction of the space available.

    4. Re:Casual use by casual music fans by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      I'm not a musician and I agree. I like a lot of songs and can listen to one a lot of times, but I'd go crazy if I listened to the same cd every day for 3 months.

    5. Re:Casual use by casual music fans by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      That's different than driving or riding to work.

    6. Re:Casual use by casual music fans by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      I think the point is that if you're going to listen to a CD or two of music at once, there are much cheaper Flash-based players available.

    7. Re:Casual use by casual music fans by dukeisgod · · Score: 1

      This problem extends far beyond country music stations. What about the oldies stations? They've been playing the same dozen songs on repeat all my life. The "light music" stations I get subjected to at work are just as bad. And don't get me started on ClearChannel rock stations. There's a reason I have 3 big binders of CDs in my car. Someday I need to build up that homebrew MP3 jukebox for the car.

    8. Re:Casual use by casual music fans by __aaivle7906 · · Score: 1

      Wow ... so I'm not the only person who's owned Cibbo Matto! Won the sampler CD off student radio, brilliant. Then lost it.... great to fry onions to if I recall

  44. Re:racist fuck by ethx1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    He was not being racist. He is referring to the iPod TV commercials where the dancers are silhouettes.

  45. social impact of personal devices in general... by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's not so often i come across people singing in the pubs anymore. old fellows, sure, but it's not so wide spread. Playing instruments, reading, even real conversations are being sweapt aside for game boy, iPod, and mobile phones.
    It used to be only doctors had pagers and cellphones. now every schmuck in the world has them and they use them all the time with total disregard for those around them.
    screw reading the newspaper on my morning metro ride! I'm going to lsiten to my iPod and chat on AIM via my mobile phone!!
    and people wonder why the younger generation gets stupider and stupider. It may have a lot to do with hippie pot smoking parents, but i think the widespread use of mind numbing electionic devices is more responsible.
    they do make excellent substitutes for actually raising your kids though.

    1. Re:social impact of personal devices in general... by Pstrobus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It may have a lot to do with hippie pot smoking parents

      There is no way there were that many pot smoking hippies!

      People like to blame the hippies for a whole lot of things, the only problem is that there were so few of them. Popular fear made them more of a menace than they ever were

      That said, wrapping ourselves in a individual 'worlds' is never the way to get high scores in "plays well with others."

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    2. Re:social impact of personal devices in general... by cfuse · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ... people wonder why the younger generation gets stupider and stupider.

      Now you finally know how your parents felt.

    3. Re:social impact of personal devices in general... by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      i'm 19....going on 45

    4. Re:social impact of personal devices in general... by snerdy · · Score: 2, Funny

      screw reading the newspaper on my morning metro ride!

      Yes -- you should be reading 30 newspapers on your handheld instead.

    5. Re:social impact of personal devices in general... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      people wonder why the younger generation gets stupider and stupider.

      I dunno. "Dumber" is a tough thing to measure.

      Different skill and knowledge set, certainly.

      I can't work a slide rule or calculate a square root by hand. I can't repair much more than very simple problems with a car. In my parents' day, this wasn't the case. On the other hand, in my parents' day, people were griping about a tenancy to ignore authority, and (a bit later) drug use. In my *grandparents' day*, I suspect that people were griping about falling literacy due to the spread of television. I suspect that my great-grandparents caught flak for not knowing how to deal with horses properly any more due to the popularity of cars.

      Each generation diverges somewhat from the previous generation, and lacks some kinds of skills that the previous one had (though gains others). I'd be very surprised if there *hasn't* been a generation that complained about "the new generation going to shit", and yet humanity still seems to function reasonably well.

    6. Re:social impact of personal devices in general... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and yet humanity still seems to function reasonably well."
      I dunno. "well" is kind of hard to measure too.

  46. It was all he could afford. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He spent the other $50 bucks that would have went to the Universal Church of Life for a Doctorate of Infinity on ramen and a hotplate.

  47. Re:Obligatory DRM reference by MBCook · · Score: 2, Informative
    The iPod most definatly has some DRM compared to some of my friend's flash players. For many of them you put music onto the player by just copying files onto the memory card and it doesn't even have to be in the player. If they want they can stick that in another computer and copy those files right off.

    The iPod is designed (IIRC) so that once you upload music to it, you can NEVER GET IT OFF. I know you can delete it, but I mean you can't copy those music files back off the iPod. There are many ways around this (some of them very simple) but it's still a form of DRM. That said, it limits people's iPod usability like putting a piece of tape on someone's ankle prevents them from walking. It doesn't effec the device's use for 99% of people.

    What you mentioned was one way around it, but I think on the Mac you actually can't get around it (not without 3rd party programs or something like that. Thank goodness for Windows security holes?).

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  48. Bull by blair1q · · Score: 0, Troll

    Anyone done a study of the impact of the iPod on wishful marketing-driven jabber?

    I've never seen a single human being carrying and listening to one.

    But it's a story on /. about ever 18.6 hours.

    There's easier ways to prove you're a follower than pretending little white music boxes are cool.

    1. Re:Bull by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This guy's got hit the nail right on the head. Mind you, i've seen a couple people with them, most of the time, this is based on assumptions, just because I see the white headphones. I also know 2 people who own them. However, I see at least 1/3 of people in the 16-30 age bracket with some form of personal music device. 80% of them are CD players. And nobody goes on and raves about the social impacts of these things.

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    2. Re:Bull by Hitchcock_Blonde · · Score: 0

      You must be living in the wrong place!

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    3. Re:Bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, try San Francisco!

    4. Re:Bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just in San Francisco. There was even a bum with an mp3 player (though not an ipod). Don't ask me how he uploaded his tunes.

  49. Re:Batteries change too? by Aero+Leviathan · · Score: 1

    What kind of phone, PDA or laptop has a non-replaceable battery?

    Just curious.

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  50. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  51. ....er social "science" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
  52. not quite on target by djupedal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He mentions that he found that people want to control their space, and not share the 'personal' music on their iPod, yet he has yet to identify the new aspect of personal music sharing known as 'iPod mugging', where you share your headphones with strangers and they share theirs with you.

    This allows you an insight snippet into the strangers persona, and perhaps a serendipitous introduction to music you may otherwise never give a listen.

    I hope his research isn't a hardwired fallback on his first such venture with the original WalkMan. Times and man change... If he simply changes the element of study, without being ready to change the methodology, he's ripe to miss the mark.

    1. Re:not quite on target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "yet he has yet to identify the new aspect of personal music sharing known as 'iPod mugging'"

      That's because its not new or unique to the Ipod.
      Previous to the Ipod people had plugged into to other peoples Walkman. You know some old Walkmans had two headphone jacks for a reason.

    2. Re:not quite on target by djupedal · · Score: 1

      Then why does he seem to insist that people don't want others to know what they're listening to?

      I smell a nut :)

    3. Re:not quite on target by monkeyhouse · · Score: 1

      When working out, I always thought it'd be an interesting idea to have a common switchbox where people plugged in their personal stereos and folks working out could either listen to their own or to others' music. Of course, the legality would get murky, since it would most likely be considered a public performance or rebroadcast at that point. I've always been curious to hear others' musical preferences, though. The local top 40 station piped in through the gym gets old quickly (heck, most radio gets old quickly... that's why I *have* an iPod in the first place).

  53. Social impact == 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but I don't have an iPod, and I don't know anyone who does, and I live in Silicon Valley. Even the Mac-heads at work agree that it is way too pricey to afford.

  54. Re:Obligatory DRM reference by tealover · · Score: 1

    Are you serious? You can't move music from your iPod to your PC ?

    So if I load my iPod with music from my home PC before I leave for work, I can't unload that music to the PC at work ?

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  55. Re:Batteries change too? by Senjutsu · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple defines "dead battery" as "holds less than 50% of its original charge" according to this.

    Also, for what its worth, you can still buy the AppleCare warranty extension as long as you're under warranty (and possibly even if you're not, I'm not entirely sure). Given that the complaints that surface about the 3rd Gen battery were that it started really losing capacity at the 18-month mark, it might be worth it.

  56. 2M ipods/ 6G people = social imact? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Where is the treshhold of product penetration before you have "social impact"? 0.03% of the world have an iPod [fewer if you take into account busted and non-working units]

    I don't know anyone who even has an iPod, but I know lots of people who have portable cd players, for instance - many of which can play mp3 discs. I did see an iPod in CompUSA, once.

    I submit that the iPod hasn't had any meaningful social effect, but that digital music, in general, has had quite a bit of impact in popularizing [to joe shmo] the notion of intangible intellectual property.

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    1. Re:2M ipods/ 6G people = social imact? by FsG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At my high school, iPods are all over the place.. In some cases I can look around, while standing in one place, and see as many as 4-5 of these things. Quite amazing, really.

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    2. Re:2M ipods/ 6G people = social imact? by trouser · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I was attending Affluent-White-Kids-In-A-Western-Industrialised-Na tion high school as a youngster it was all about the Walkman. If you were cool you had one and you swapped mix tapes at lunch time and hid behind the bike sheds smoking cigarettes and all that sort of crap. I didn't have one. Now I work with computers. I forget what my point was.

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    3. Re:2M ipods/ 6G people = social imact? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      What's the rough financial status of the place your school is located, though? At least upper-middle-class?

      Frankly, I'd say that walking around with a $400 device was definitely not par for the course when I was in high school...

  57. Re:Obligatory DRM reference by Smurf · · Score: 2, Informative
    Are you serious? You can't move music from your iPod to your PC ?

    Just in case you are not being sarcastic or trolling, the grandparent of your post tells you how to do it in Windows (simply enable "show hidden files and folders").

    On Macs, you can use the Terminal application and copy the files in one line, then import to iTunes (or whatever you use). And for both platforms you find freeware that does this for you without getting technical.

  58. Isolation is good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hey, am I the only person that would jack into my Walkman without listening to anything, just so people wouldn't bother me?

    Not adding anything here, but it is a handy dodge.

  59. Full of horse puckey. by 0m3gaMan · · Score: 1

    This has got to be a joke. Wired is really scraping bottom with this. Worse yet, the PR flacks at Apple are giggling their asses off: They've managed to revive some of the hysteria that accompanied the Walkman's introduction in c. 1981. Wired (and the general public, it would seem) have swallowed this ploy hook, line, and sinker.

    "the aesthetic was in the cover of the record. You had the sleeve, the artwork, the liner notes. With the rise of digital, the aesthetic has left the object -- the record sleeve..."

    Wow. This guy is quite the sage.

    "The aesthetic has moved from the disc to what you play it on"

    Yeah. Unlike, say, the boombox...

    1. Re:Full of horse puckey. by djdavetrouble · · Score: 1

      Well, I had to go read the interview after reading all of the doubters and nasty comments about this unfortunately named professor. (yes i read the comments before I rtfa sometimes) I have to say, some of what he has to say smells like hot air, but other comments were insightful. Personal stereos are not just a consumer electronics device, they do pervade our social landscape. Music and listening habits are a huge part of the social fabric. Cultures identify themselves by the music that they listen to, and the way that they participate in the making, performing, recording, and listening to it. For those of you that doubt that this is a worthwhile area to study, name one person that doesn't have a music listening device (stereo, car stereo, portable cd player, ghetto blaster) with bizarre social habits to accompany it. Witness the ghetto blasters of the 70's and 80's, the two headphone jack original walkmans (I always wished that more devices had two jacks), and now the mobs of people with their little white headphones, comfortably insulated by their gigabytes of music, with "don't talk to me I'm grooving on my $400 dollar chic iPod" looks on their faces. Observe the way that they hold them so everyone can see they are fucking around with an iPod.

      He Said:
      f: They've managed to revive some of the hysteria that accompanied the Walkman's introduction in c. 1981

      I don't know about you, but I think that this is almost as monumental a product as the original walkman. I remember the feeling of my first walkman (ok ok, it was an aiwa actually) in 10th grade, how I took it everywhere with me, taped songs from the radio, tried to figure out ways to listen to it in class. Well, before I got my ipod I had a rio cd/mp3 player, which was pretty cool, but a pain to change discs and scrub through long dj mixes, not to mention large. When I got the iPod I remember thinking, "This is the coolest gadget I have ever owned", and hardly even took it off for a month. I should have gotten paid, I was like a walking iPod salesman, showing it to people, giving them a listen, showing them how to work the controls, incessantly blabbing, "it is the coolest fucking thing EVER".

      It is great that the hilariously named Prof. Bull has found a niche to study and make a name (BULL) for himself. This is how the academic world works, party people. You find something you are interested in and make it yours, you work it to the bone, publish texts, interview with magazines, speak your lectures, and promote yourself. I don't think that this guy is looking for any special appreciation from slashdot or the rest of the world. Someone probably said, Hey, I heard of a guy that studies social impact and implications of walkmans and personal listening devices and stuff, we should talk to him about the ipod mini, that would fill a column!!

      anyway......

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  60. That "Safety" is phony by Animats · · Score: 1

    Wearing headphones in a crowded environment gets you run over from behind.

    1. Re:That "Safety" is phony by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Not if you're faster than all the others.

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  61. Re:racist fuck by Chris+Tucker · · Score: 1

    {nelson_muntz}
    HA-ha!
    {/nelson_muntz}

    Hey, everybody, come and look at the A.C. who didn't get the joke, got all bent out of shape, and made a great big ass of himself!

    "Any fool can use a computer. Many do."
    Ted Nelson

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  62. The Prof's name is a CLUE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Professor iPod did it in the conservatory with the led pipe.

  63. social impact of people discussing social impacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    I am currently doing a study of the impact on society of people constantly discussing things that impact society.

    I don't mean to boast but I believe that I am one of only two researchers in this field. The other refuses to publish fearing that it may start more discussion of societal impact since the result of such discussions is mostly negative, at least according to his latest findings.


    After three years of detailed questionaires and the use of various statistical models I have found that most people that discuss impacts of things on society fall into 4 categories.


    Those that think the impact is negative, those that think the impact is positive, those that really don't think there was and impact at all, and finally by far the largest group is those that don't even know what you are talking about.


    I have yet to find find any exceptions to this rule. Take any set of data points, the comments posted to this article for instance, and you will quickly see that each comment easily falls into one of the 4 categories.

    Would anyone like to discuss the impact this research might have on their decision to make future posts to /. ?

    http://www.palmone.com

  64. what a curious major by OhGr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    UK university professor Dr. Michael Bull, apparently the 'world's leading expert on the social impact of personal stereo devices' I also wonder about Professor iPod's credentials, like where he got them, and how he got them. Is there a lot of reading on this subject? That's like saying "I'm a hippo psychologist"

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  65. Re:Batteries change too? by damiam · · Score: 1

    I don't know of any specific models, although I have seen them. However, many (replacement) laptop batteries cost more than Apple's iPod battery replacement.

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  66. Re:Batteries change too? by ozric99 · · Score: 1
    If your iPod's battery goes (there's a certain threshold for apple to take it back) within a year, they'll replace it. Two years if you buy iPod applecare.

    If it goes and it's not under any sort of warrantee, you can pay apple $99 for a battery replacement.

    I wonder when we'll start hearing of the first cases where people have taken Apple to court over this $99 replacement or "IPod Applecare". I don't know about the US, but in the UK at least there's something called The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002 which states that consumers have the legal right to buy goods that are in good condition and fault free. It also states that every item must be safe and fit for the job expected of it, last a reasonable length of time, and match the description given in any advertising or publicity.

    If your goods do prove faulty and you act within a reasonable time, you can reject them and claim a refund of the total purchase price. If the fault develops later, you are entitled to demand compensation - usually the cost of repair - or request a repair or replacement.

    Under the legislation, all claims must be made within six years of the initial sale (except in Scotland, where the time limit is five years from the date of discovery). This doesn't mean that goods have to last six years, however, as the life expectancy of items will vary.

    It's all down to the court's interpretation of "reasonable" of course, however, no court in the land would ever accept that a 400 personal music player should die after a 12 to 18 month period. So, in the UK at least, Apple had better start getting ready to provide free replacements or refunds.

  67. Re:Obligatory DRM reference by forevermore · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, the "weird" file system format on the iPod is actually a database. It allows the iPod to avoid having to scan the entire hard drive for playable media every time it starts up, and saves a lot of battery life.

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  68. Re:Batteries change too? by ozric99 · · Score: 1
    As Slashdot decided to ignore the Pound sign I used in my post, I'll change the last paragraph to:

    ...no court in the land would ever accept that a 400 quid personal music player should die after a 12 to 18 month period...

  69. So what? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    Those kids never listened to us old folk anyway.

    Those kids and their iPods... And GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DAMN KIDS!

    1. Re:So what? by filmsmith · · Score: 1

      Hmm, it is true that old people are often concerned that there are children on their lawns.

      fs

  70. Re:racist fuck by Moofie · · Score: 2, Informative
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  71. OT:Re:"Safety" can come at a price by digital+bath · · Score: 1
    However, it's great in the car, and I can't wait until I get an iPod compatible car stereo so I don't need to wear those awful earbuds


    If you live in USA, then FYI (so you don't get a ticket) in Washington it is illegal to drive while wearing headphones. The phone headsets are ok cause they only cover one ear as far as I know. Other states probably have similar laws.
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  72. Target Clearance - $150. by univgeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    Target had the 10GB 3G Ipod for 150$, on clearance. Went like hot-cakes. Check at a Target near you!!

    Good thing you didn't tell them it was $400!!

    So let's see, I got a 10GB portable hdd + mp3 player for 150$ (7.5 times what you paid), 10GB/800MB = 12.5 times the capacity, along with tremendous extra functionality.

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  73. I pod "naps" by huxrules · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The biggest thing that has affected me with the ipod is to take "ipod naps" while say in line or waiting. I don't want to listen to it all the time for saftey reasons. For instance once or twice I became so lost in thought then when I finally snapped too I was suprised that I missed an important announcement, bus, subway, or approaching car. But say I'm waiting for a plane and I know that I'm not going to miss anything for the next 10 min or so. And say I'm hungover. Then the situation calls for "God send death" by slayer. A quick 5 min "ipod nap". Then say I'm waiting for lunch break to finish (or waiting for lunch break to begin) then I might listen to another song. Whatever fits my mood at the second. I think the article misses the fact that your have 2500 songs or so at your disposal. And at any second - if nothing is going on- you can select the song that most matches your mood.

  74. hot iPod sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    my girlfriend can fit two of them up her pussy. it's red-hot ipod sex.

    we're going to see just how many we can stuff in there before she shrieks in pain. then she'll let me see if I can put a broom handle up through her pussy and out her mouth. "CHOKE ME FROM BELOW BABY!" she says.

    1. Re:hot iPod sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damn. i was believing you until you got to the broom handle bit.

  75. Funny... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    I dont have an iPod, but i do have a 20gb portable. I usually listen to one playlist. That playlist happens to be my entire collection of 5700 songs. Sometimes i'll hear the same song twice in 2 days, other times i'll hear something i havn't heard in months. If i really wanna listen to something specic i can acess it quickly enough, but the master shuffle is only 2 button presses after the unit powers up.

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  76. Stupid media hype... by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Screw my karma: someone please explain why the iPod is so revolutionary? We have a device that holds thousands of mp3s.... and? Any other reason why there's a iPod story on slashdot at least 3 times a week? Sony's MD players held hundreds of songs for years, but they almost never appeared in the news. And now they're claiming there's a "social impact" from iPods? Please.

    Ok so I don't own a iPod, I own a competeing product that's similar in size and capacity, and I only use it about an hour a day whenever I'm exercising. It's not attached to my head 24/7, and I don't understand how a simple mp3 player can have any impact on society. Cellphone sure, but mp3 player?

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    1. Re:Stupid media hype... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't screw your karma, get a Rio Karma. Seriously, the Rio Karma is a totally better player than the iPod, but it gets very little press. It does still get positive reviews when it gets reviewed.

      This whole "Professor iPod" article stinks. They are basically taking an expert in the social aspects of all portable music players and claiming him for Apple. :-( Bleah!

    2. Re:Stupid media hype... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Screw my karma: someone please explain why the iPod is so revolutionary? We have a device that holds thousands of mp3s.... and? Any other reason why there's a iPod story on slashdot at least 3 times a week? Sony's MD players held hundreds of songs for years, but they almost never appeared in the news. And now they're claiming there's a "social impact" from iPods? Please.

      Two easy steps:

      * People like Apple, or at least want Microsoft to have competition. Macs were big in journalism and publishing for a long time, and I suspect that there are a lot of Mac folks in the press with fond memories. So Apple tends to get a favorable slant.

      * Apple hasn't done a whole lot of good, successful stuff in the last few years except for the iPod. (OS X is in there as well, but it has a limited market, since you have to commit to going Mac if you use it.)

      Put the two together...and the iPod gets lots of good press. It's an expensive device that you can carry around and show off to your friends. Not a lot of products like that, and easy for that sort of thing to have a certain "I want one" element.

    3. Re:Stupid media hype... by CountBrass · · Score: 1

      I agree that Slashdot does rather over-do the iPod-related stories. It is only an MP3 player after all: by far the most superior MP3 player but it's hardly cold-fusion.

      That said, the iPod is far superior to other offerings. Why? It's smaller than any other HD player. It holds orders of magnitude more songs than flash-based players: Hundreds? Mine holds around 4 THOUSAND. That's over two and a half weeks of continuous playing. And its battery lasts around 10 hours.

      So compared to all the flash based devices (some of which I actually found to be too small), my iPod can actually hold almost all the music, audio-books and other shit that I own.

      Compared to other HD based players? Christ have you seen those ugly fuckers? I would be *ashamed* to be seen with one of those. The only ones that look even vaugely ok are the ones that are blatant rip-offs of the iPod (Hi Dell!). And even then they managed to fuck it up.

      Edward

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    4. Re:Stupid media hype... by dave420-2 · · Score: 1
      Sony's MDs could only hold 74minutes of audio per disc - you'd have to have a bag FULL of discs to rival the iPod's capacity. They also couldn't play for as long, and making MDs of your favourite music had to be done at 1x speed (digital/analogue inputs, real-time only).

      With my iPod, I can copy music to it whenever I want (in seconds), and copy music off it just as fast. I don't have to hunt around in my bag for a different disc if I want to listen to something else. I just press a couple of buttons and I'm listening to something else.

      Imagine being in a shop, and a great song comes on the radio (I know, shock!), but you can't hear it because of the people around you. With an iPod, 2 seconds later, you could be listening to it on your headphones, without interruptions. Or if you're having a discussion with someone about music (or spoken word, a la Noam Chomsky), and you can just whip it out and play them whatever, in seconds. That's the difference.

      I've had tape walkmans, CD walkmans, MDs and 2 iPods (5 & 40gig), and the difference is mind-blowing. iPods shouldn't be compared to anything else, as they're so different.

      Did I mention it's as small as a deck of cards? :-P

    5. Re:Stupid media hype... by Hitchcock_Blonde · · Score: 0

      Like, totally better, dude! Not!

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    6. Re:Stupid media hype... by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "That said, the iPod is far superior to other offerings. Why? It's smaller than any other HD player."

      Not true: it's smaller than any other HD player for it's capacity. The Rio Nitrus is smaller and nearly 1/4th the weight of the lightest iPod, but it only has a 1.5gig hard drive compared to iPod's 10+ gig.

      "Compared to other HD based players? Christ have you seen those ugly fuckers?"

      I have never understood why the appearance is so important: my hd based mp3 player (which shall remain anonymous) never leaves my pocket, so why do I care what it looks like? It's not a laptop or PDA that people will actually see, if the mp3 player is doing it's job properly you'll fiddle with it very rarely, so why is beauty so important if it only sees the inside of your pocket?

      You: "wow look at that it's soooo purdy!" snatches iPod and shoves in pocket, never to see the light of day again
      Me: "damn that's ugly!" snatches iPod-wannabe and shoves in pocket, never to see the light of day again, next to $$$$ saved

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    7. Re:Stupid media hype... by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      "Sony's MDs could only hold 74minutes of audio per disc - you'd have to have a bag FULL of discs to rival the iPod's capacity."

      Wrong: with compression they hold much, much more, several hours worth. "Minidisc "Long Play" = 320 minutes stereo ("LP4")"

      But that's not the point, you obviously didn't RTF post. My point is MD existed long before iPods or even mp3 players, was sexier than CD players at the time and held far more music, yet they never got near as much publicity as iPods get. Now MD is hopelessly outdated, but even in their hey-day you heard very little about MD. If you read the news, even slashdot, you'd think everyone owns a iPod and iPod is the only mp3 player that exists. That couldn't be further from the truth.

      "With my iPod, I can copy music to it whenever I want (in seconds), and copy music off it just as fast."

      Sounds like nearly every other hd mp3 player in existance.

      "iPods shouldn't be compared to anything else, as they're so different."

      besides appearance, they're really not much different than any other hd mp3 player... oh, I forgot the incredibly high prices.

      I have a friend with a iPod, know what he uses it for? To exercise a few hours a week. Just a 10 gig hard drive would hold 166 hours worth of music (@ 1 min/mB) and he only uses it a few hours a week! Waste of money? I'd say so. If you only use it say, 7 hrs a week on average (1 hr/day), I don't see the point of having anymore than, oh, 20 hours worth of music, which is 1.2gig @ 1min/mB. That 20 hours would last you 3 weeks before you heard a song repeat at your average useage.

      Would it be fun to have 40gigs in my pocket? Of course! But if I pay for 40 gigs and I only use 1.2 gigs, I think I wasted some money wouldn't you agree?

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  77. O, the persecution! by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 3, Funny
    It's always a favorite thing of anti-iPod folks to say that it's only a "personal radio", but you sound like my Dad bitching at me when I was 15 for liking that "new-fangled acid rock".

    It's OK. Feel the pain of that trauma. This is Slashdot. You can cry here.

  78. Yo professah... by ajlitt · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the iPod is the treasure chest for the online music pirate's treasure, then does that mean this guy is actually Professor Booty?

  79. One of those stories... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that you investigate, only so you can at read all the comments rated (+5 Funny)? = )

  80. Yay! Mark me as offtopic if you will - I can spare by IainMH · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    the karma. But I have been on slashdot for over 4 years now and this is the first story I have seen about my old University.

    Point of interest:
    One of our Profs got the (joint) Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1996 for Buckminsterfullerene - the third form of solid carbon. My final year project was based on the stuff. Woo!

    Yay to Sussex - it is a lovely place and some of the happiest times of my life. Any campus with 8 seperate bars has to be a cool place to spend a few years.

  81. Re:Obligatory DRM reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There is no problem at all moving music back and forth between multiple PCs and an iPod. I do it all the time. The layout and naming of the files on the iPod are strange, but the files are normal (mp3) files.

    I would advise against manipulating the files directly. Use the excellent EphPod program freely available at www.ephpod.com instead.

  82. *NYT* calls him the expert., AND Dr. not Prof. by fantomas · · Score: 1

    I notice it's the New York Times that call him the "expert" , not the academic himself. Plus he's a Doctor, not a Professor. Reputable universities (like University of Sussex) lay great store by peer approved nomenclature. Just some crap journalist trying to make a story look more sexy for dumb readers who might think he's a surgeon if they call him "Doctor".


    1. Re:*NYT* calls him the expert., AND Dr. not Prof. by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      IIRC American universities seem to call most academics professors of one sort or another, whereas in British (and Australian) universities it's a much valued sign of distinction. So I'd say the NYT is just following standard US practice.

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  83. I am the expert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pansy boy. I am the WORLD LEADING EXPERT on how plugging your genitals into a power outlet will make you a more dynamic person.

  84. iPods fail in cold weather? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 0

    Well, the one obvious notable factor is that all of you live in Ontario, which isn't the warmest of climes. It could just be that the components Apple chose for the iPod don't do all that well with constant cold weather.

  85. ObMontyPython by tbone1 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Well, we had it tough. We didn't have these fancy metal cylinders. We had to carry around a one-man-band everywhere we went.

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  86. Better than the car? I think not.... by jdvuyk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "The Walkman, and now the iPod, is the perfect mobile acoustic environment. It's better than listening to the stereo in a car...."

    This is plain and simple rubbish. I would rather listen to music in the car any day rather than some personal audio device. "Better" should be relaced with "more flexible" and then this would read true.

    Music is about interaction. The most enjoyable moments when listening to music are usually the times when you are alone with it. Body movements come out easily as a reaction to your enjoyment. This can be done in the car but if you are doing it on the train most people are just going to look at you real funny (and perhaps point and laugh). The car also offers decent audio quality where you can feel the music rather than simply hear it.

    Even though an ipod like device certainly makes my comute and other mindless boring moments far more enjoyable, its is far from my most enjoyable moments listening to music. I usually get home and put the same song I was listening to on the my 'real' stereo. Only then can I really enjoy it.

    1. Re:Better than the car? I think not.... by adzoox · · Score: 1
      You honestly think "in ear" speakers are worse than the standard "car speakers" with low frequency issues? One advantage over MANY MP3 players that a lot of reviewers fail to mention abou the iPod is its headphones. They aren't the best, but compareable headphones sell for $40. Headphones with most players are cheap $1.99 headphones.

      You make a point, but why can't you close your eyes and tap your foot anywhere that you have the iPod? (just like you say you are inclined to do in the car)

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  87. PhD's Take 3 years by littleghoti · · Score: 1

    A PhD takes around 3 years to complete and has to be a thesis on a subject which has never before been studied in such depth- a completely novel piece. As a PhD student myself, I can tell you that the way most people manage this is to pick a subject so obscure that no-one else has ever studied it. By doing this, you become the worlds leading expert on a subject that very few people know (or want to know) anything about.

    1. Re:PhD's Take 3 years by Mangal · · Score: 1

      ONLY 3 YEARS!!!! After what, a 2-4 year master's thesis? Or do you work while you sleep? While a thesis must be "novel" it doesn't have to be obscure: plug into a broad idea and work out the details of one part; take a bunch of "parts" and create a broad idea from them; try testing some of the assumptions that others rely on- particularly the ones that everyone "knows" are true (so they go untested), but if they're NOT true, the whole theory falls like a house of cards. The last one's my personal favorite.

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  88. One non-plus only half right by littleghoti · · Score: 1

    Quote: "- Also, when the battery is flat, the units data contents are not-transferrable" This is only right if you are using USB 2 or a cheaper firewire card. Apple computers (and I think the more expensive PC cards) transfer power through the firewire lead, which powers the ipod when connected, and recharges the battery too.

    1. Re:One non-plus only half right by shepd · · Score: 1

      >This is only right if you are using USB 2 or a cheaper firewire card. Apple computers (and I think the more expensive PC cards) transfer power through the firewire lead, which powers the ipod when connected, and recharges the battery too.

      Ahh, cool! I didn't know that the iPod supported being charged that way. Good move on Apple's part, although it would suck (tm) for anyone using a laptop. :-)

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    2. Re:One non-plus only half right by Eraser_ · · Score: 1

      This is the default way to charge your ipod, actually. Plug it in to your Apple, and use the bus power on FireWire. Few hours on the charger and it's ready to go. I get about a weeks playtime out of a single charge, or a weekend of driving.

  89. Wouldn't know science if it bit you on the leg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a fact, Philosophy is the very one sience that has itself (as well as other siences) as a subject.

    By what measure is philosophy a science? Nietszche, Derrida, and Plato, are all considered philosophers but none, and I mean none, of them are scientists. Natural Philosophy, as it was shaped in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, is the closest thing to science that philosophers have practiced.

    That you are simple-minded enough to argue philsophy is equivalent to a very specific set of human discourses known as "science" shows that in the Twentieth Century most philosophy has degraded into a club of priggish self-appointed masters. Cultural theorists, scientists, and media theorists, no longer bother to look to (most) philosophers because so many of you are caught in the trap of analytical philosophy which even Wittgenstein had the sense to abandon.

  90. Insufficient classification scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have yet to find find any exceptions to this rule. Take any set of data points, the comments posted to this article for instance, and you will quickly see that each comment easily falls into one of the 4 categories.

    Where does your post go?

    1. Gather data
    2. Define categories
    3. Propose thesis.
    4. Post to Slashdot.
    5. Go to jail.
  91. What... the.. fuck.. are you talking about? by Squozen · · Score: 1

    I used to use a MD player, and they're no smaller once you add the 10-15 minidiscs you need to carry around to be sure to have something even remotely close to what you're in the mood for listening to. I guess you could fairly compare a MD player to an iPod if you schlep a couple of shoulderbags full of discs around with you. Of course, that amount of media would cost more than the iPod, even ignoring the size and weight...

  92. hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its pretty obvious that the name 'professor ipod' makes me throw up.

  93. Re:for you rich fuckers maybe by MuckSavage · · Score: 1

    Ha! They don't want it.

  94. Evolution & Social interaction by JJSpreij · · Score: 1

    Dr. Bull says, "It gives people totally private worlds." While that may be true, it also removes people from social interaction, which is vital for mental health

    Too much social interaction is bad for mental health. We are, in the most literal sense, still animals, products of millions of years of evolution, with deeprooted survival instincts.

    Every unknown living entity we encounter needs to be assessed, subcounsciously, as to whether it is a potential threat to our wellbeing. Thus moving through large crowds of unknown people in modern cities is very tiring & stressfull, even though we don't realize why.

    iPods or drugs can numb the effect, and be a positive influence... "reality is for people who can't handle drugs". Those who buy competing brands instead of iPods have no mental health to start with, so they're lost anyway

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  95. This is just plain ridiculous by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

    The only reason this ugy has been singled out along with the iPod is that Wired is heavily Mac biased. Especially, Kahney who is a fan boy in the extreme and about as far from an unbiased journalist as you can get.

    1. Re:This is just plain ridiculous by CountBrass · · Score: 1

      LOL this is just funny. Wired is generally extremely anti-Apple and extremely pro-Microsoft.

      One story does not reverse that. I guess the usual editor must have been on holiday.

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    2. Re:This is just plain ridiculous by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

      Anti-Mac? How many tech culture sites have a section called Cult of Mac?

  96. Re:What I'm Listening To While I Work by CountBrass · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually work by Tom DiMarco and Timothy Lister [Peopleware] demonstrated that listening to music, destroys your creativity.

    They tested this by setting developers a programming problem. Half in quiet, half with background music. All solved the programming problem.

    However only those in the silent group noticed that there was a short-cut solution to the problem. None of those listening to music did.

    The reason is, the bit of your brain that is creative is the same bit that listens to music, and it can't do both.

    Edward

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  97. iPod by ende · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Having been a supporter of mp3 players for a while, I previously had the first Rio available, then went to mp3cd, had the first mp3cd available, then went with another mp3cd player.. and recently just got the iPod.
    I by far like the iPod the best out of any of them. Firewire interface is great, was able to fill 15 gb within a couple of minutes.. I've found myself now listening to it on the way to my car, while folding laundry, in my car with iTrip FM broadcaster.. The size of the actual device, the ease of use of the interface and buttons, the large storage capacity, are all amazing.. battery life is enough to get me through a full day of work to.

  98. Earbuds by dave420-2 · · Score: 1

    You see people wearing their iPod white earbuds everywhere. Don't they realise the earbuds are some of the worst out there? The iPod sounds horrible with them - you have to spend a bit of money on proper headphones/earbuds to really appreciate the sound. I feel sorry for those still using the original ones. I don't know how to break it to them... It's like buying a ferrari, and staying in 1st gear.

    1. Re:Earbuds by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1
      This is why I am glad that Apple has the in-ear white replacements. I'm not sure, but they look like re-branded Sony Fontopia headphones (which rule BTW). Call me vain, but I think it's cool to see people with telltale white headphones. It's like we're part of the club.

      But I agree that the stock earbuds suck. I misplaced my Fontopias recently, and it was torture listening to the stock 'phones until I found the Sonys again!

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    2. Re:Earbuds by dave420-2 · · Score: 1
      It doesn't change the fact that they're poor earbuds, giving you horrible sound reproduction (and not in a "CD-zealot's anti-MP3 rant" way, but in a "my god that sounds absolutely horrible" way) :-P

      It is vain, though... kind of negates the coolness if people are self-destructively vain like that :) "I'm gonna forego decent sound, so people can tell I have an iPod, which is the reason I have an iPod" riiight ;)

  99. Re: $400 is right for some people by johnrpenner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    rule of thumb: you should pay about the same for your stereo
    system as you pay your whole music collection.

    example: say you've the kind of person who's only bought 10 CDs.
    at ~CDN$15/each, that's about $150 - so you shouldn't buy a stereo
    worth more than about $150 - a cheap gheto blaster will do you fine.

    on the other hand -- say you're the kind of person who's really
    into music, and you've bought yourself about 300 - 400 CDs - at the
    same rate, that's about $4500 - so you shouldn't feel bad about going
    out and getting yourself the high-end LINN stereo system to listen to
    them on, since you're probably also the kind of person who's going
    to appreciate that kind of system.

    if you're in the middle -- say you've got a modest collection of about
    30-50 CDs - at ~$15/each -- well then the cost of an ipod would about
    match that, and you'd be in the right range to be buying such a device.

    the cost of the player shoud roughly equal the cost of your collection.

    regards,
    johnrpenner.

  100. Re:Batteries change too? social impact is ontopic by saskboy · · Score: 1

    Isn't it odd that the /. mods don't consider throw away mentality a social [and thus ontopic] development the iPod has brought about?

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  101. Re:What I'm Listening To While I Work by Professr3 · · Score: 1

    I'd say it depends on the music. For example, when I'm coding, I listen to classical music that's been remixed with techno (Bond, Vanessa Mae). The classical logic elements and the high bpm of the techno are a perfect combination for keeping the logic portions of my brain functioning, and keeping me awake. I've solved problems twice as fast while on the music, and with some pretty nice code too if I may say so myself...

  102. WTF are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it is innovative because it takes an ipod more time to turn off then a tape?

    I sware just about every thing Apple does is claimed innovative, even if the so called innovation has existed for years. It is as if something is by Apple it is magically innovative, and good luck trying to convince the fanboys other wise. They will try to come up in their minds with what ever they can to make it innovative.

    "The ipod is 10 GB and can shut down after playing, so unlike tape players and other devices that have done this for years it is another Apple innovation!"

  103. Re:Batteries change too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, its not like Apple wanted to screw their customers for as much cash as they can.

    Wouldn't be surprised if this is part of their plan to sell ipods. Pay them an absurd ammount of money for a replacement, or just buy a new one!

  104. Re:Batteries change too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sheesh, what happened to building devices that last?

    Oh wait, I forgot this is about Apple. Never mind.

  105. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that is all.

  106. My iPod saves my sanity by Cybrex · · Score: 1

    My job often involves work that is more easily done late at night when the users aren't logged into their machines or asking me questions about how to fix their home PC. As a result, it's not uncommon for me to be the only person in the building for hours at a time doing tedious work.

    In instances like that my iPod is a lifesaver. It keeps me marginally entertained and gives my brain something to do, allowing me to get a lot more work done before hitting my boredom limit. It's unobtrusive and helps pass the time. I'm willing to trade off the possibility of meaningless social interaction with the cleaning crew or the security guards for that!

    It's also my primary music source in my car, since there's been little worth listening to on the radio since our local pirate station got busted a few years ago. :-)

    -Cybrex

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  107. Re:Obligatory DRM reference by tempfile · · Score: 1

    Well, you can, but iTunes won't let you do it. I guess they did this to make the music industry happy. The Ipod itself is fully DRM-free, you can get out the MP3s by hand using any file manager or terminal, or you can have them exported with proper filenames and everything for example by EphPod.

  108. what about a laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why not just buy a crappy laptop

  109. sig test sorry by LennyDotCom · · Score: 1

    I buried it

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  110. Re:social impact of people discussing social impac by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

    Hmm .. I think it had a big impact. It just didn't change anything.

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  111. Music is everywhere by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    I think it's a lot more of the "music" that makes teens how social they are, other than the IPod device itself. It could be the same way if you're using Napster's little mp3 player or just a standard CD player.

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